Fitna-e-Takfeer with Engineer M. Ali Mirza
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 มิ.ย. 2024
- It is no secret that today Muslims are divided along sectarian lines. Barelvis, Deobandis, Shia, Ahle-Hadees, none of these schools of thought accept each other as Muslims.
How did this happen? Where did we go wrong? Mohammad Ali Mirza sheds light on the history and doctrinal differences on the various sects within Muslims.
#### | 0:00:00 | Introduction
Q01 | 0:04:16 | “Shia kay khilaf jihad karna jihad e akbar hai?"
Q02 | 0:11:32 | “Barelvi” kon hain?
Q03 | 0:18:18 | Fitna kun nahijg solve hota?
Q04 | 0:22:21 | Barelvi aur Wahabi maślak me bunyadi Ikhtilaf?
Q05 | 0:24:02 | Dobandi kon hain?
Q06 | 0:28:10 | Doebandi-Barelvi aur Pakistani hakoomat?
Q07 | 0:33:42 | Saudi Arabia aur Iran dosti?
Q08 | 0:36:11 | Parwezi maslak par mouqif?
Q09 | 0:41:08 | Sweden ne Qur’an jalane k badle Bible ko jalane ki ijazat de di?
Q10 | 0:43:00 | Prophets ki dawat o struggle aur Marxism?
Q11 | 0:49:28 | Public ko kese samjhaya jaye?
Q12 | 0:54:13 | Islami nizam aur aj k jadeed taqazay kese sehmat ho sakte hain??
Q13 | 1:04:11 | Kia Malookiyat ne Firqay banayay?
Q14 | 1:11:51 | Musalman kyun zawal ka Shikar hain?
| 1:19:28 | Conclusion
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*Twitter: / taimur_laal
An Excellent PODCAST regarding Critical Issues of Our Society ! ! ! May ALLAH عزوجل Protect Our Nation & Our Country PAKISTAN from all Internal & External Enemies. Aameen ! ! ! May ALLAH guide all of us towards his path of TRUTH. Aameen ! ! ! My Salute for all the TRUTH Lovers. Al-hamduLILLAH ! ! !
وَﻋَﻠَﻴــْــﻜُﻢﺍﻟﺴَّـــــــﻼَﻡُ ﻭَﺭَﺣْﻤَﺔُ ﷲ وَ بَرَكَاتُهُ❤
Bhai Jaan tosein b Molvi hi ho research ka bhot fuqdan hai Aur muttakbari b koi achi cheez nai
MA SHAA ALLAH
AMEEN🖤
ماشاء اللّٰه 😍🫡🥰
Aameeeen☺️🩵🤍🩷
After this podcast i am imagining a world where people from different views can come to terms in a such beautiful manner. This is hands down the greatest podcast of youtube.
Imagine a world where right and left could sit in such a harmonious friendly manner.
Sir Taimur i owe you for making my day today.
You guys should start a show together. I can guarantee pakistan could become what we imagine it to become!!!
Long live laal long live engineer sahab
Yes, but even our leftist have hard time accepting this. They want a world where either communist chase theists or theists chase communists 😂😂😂😂😂
@@ghazanhussain2070 couldn't agree more sir but i guess this is one of the first shifts in that paradigm
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Lol, Don't be fooled by his guise. Engineer is not rightist.
He's as leftist, if not more, as Taimur; just a different kind.
@@ghazanhussain2070Agree
One of the finest podcast. First time, I'm listening to Engr. Muhammad Ali Mirza and I really appreciate his insightful answers. Kudos to Dr. Sb for organizing such a fruitful discussion on one of the leading fitna e takfir of todays world.
"It's the responsibility of intellectuals to say the truth to the people " (N. Chomsky
Well said
Wonderful Sir. I am surprised to see two famous and intellectual personalities of Pakistan together.
10000$ for U
اگر کوئی مرزا علی انجینئر کو ختم نبوت پر لائیو دلائل کے تبادلے کے لئے تیار کرے تو اسے دس ہزار ڈالر پیشگی انعام ۔ جو کوئی ایسا کر سکتا ہے برائے مہربانی بتا دیں۔
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I was a teenager when I used to watch your series on History of Philosophy on PTV
You don't realize and the time passes by
Glad to see the two legends
Hmm 👍
So this guy has been on PTV too SubhanAllah SubhanAllah Kiya Kiya nabghay hamari secular Sarkar nai Pall rakhay hein
@@maaz87 koi secular ho mujhay us say kia , us ka subject history of philosophy thaa so he taught that subject very well
@@mehwishbatool331 Madame yeh Tou surkha hai State secular hai ...
@@maaz87chup kar unpad chutye tum unpade ki wajase country ki maa c padhi hai
Its pleasant that an educated liberal man like Dr. Taimur met an educated religious scholar and discuss religious issue in friendly and respecting manners..we need more discussions like this.
He isn't liberal. Liberals and socialists are poles apart
@@sobiaizhar9268 I know, he is socialist..studied in US, sings and uses guitar, that's why I wrote word liberal..
@@nasirhussainshah5736 jis tran k wo educated hain esi tran k tm…. Q tm loag gumrah hu rha hu es k peechay lag k ju sara jhot bolta he
@@ahmadsaeedbajwa6246 🤔🤔..Read some books please
@@user-si4nt5gt9b will you please explain the liberals in economy policy..you did not understand my point and mixing things in economic and ideology
SubhAllah 😢😢😢😢😢
This is best day of my life … Ali Bhai … Taimur bhai…😢😢 I love my people I love My Islam… feeling sorry to all brother who socially, emotionally, psychologically were persecuted…
This is one of the best podcasts I have seen involving a religious figure. It was truly an authentic and a refreshing introduction to Islamic thoughts. Kudos to you Taimur bhai for keep the discussion purely intellectual.
Engineer Sahab Is The Great Scholars and True Scholars ❤
Love From India❣🇮🇳❣
Tab hi shayad ik mamoli goal keepar sey HAG HAG kar chupta raha 48/48 ghantoun tak Tumharah Gread o true
gadha gru
Ya Ali madad kehna shirk
Ya Gous madad kehna shirk
Gadha tumhara agey farmata hey 😁😁😁
Ham saaaaab key peechey namaaz parh ney key qail hien 😁😁😁😁
Daleel dey di tumhara Gread o true gadha gru hey
NAHI tou
Sabit karou quraan o ahadees sey shirk karney waley key peechey namaaz jaeiz hey/ hou jati hey
Haan ab apney gadhey gru ki taryoun chup na jana janey ja na 48/48 ghantoun key liey
OK Heeran
Only Muslim babbbbi
Fulllly & Totally
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Me also from India brother... which city you belongs ?
Salam
This society always needs this type of discussion, to evolve with the requirement of time.
Well done Ali Bhai ❤❤❤❤❤❤
Two intellectuals in one picture with the discussion for which no one is ready..❤
Intellectual u said isn't he the same person who said religion only means ibadah it doesn't mean u have to have rules and regulations according to Islam.
My God, this is pure gold. Incredible talk and well chosen questions. Thank you for such a beautiful discussion
Absolutely amazing. I think Shehzad Ghias blew up the chance with his podcast. You on other hand were exceptional in every aspect. Great watch.
Taimur is such a humble man. He has earned my respect. I am 100% sure he must have many differences with Ali bhai. But despite difference of thoughts, he values every opinion. Thank you for bringing us this fruitful discussion.
I was waiting for these two together for a very very very long time .... Afterall my wish is fulfilled 😍🥰🤩🥳
Engineer Saab and Dr. Pervez Hoodbhoy should do a Podcast together. The are both my favorite.
All the questions answered beautifully as ever about our glorious Deen......Interview taken by a polite and an educated personality can be so different and interesting everyone must have enjoyed ,........no wonder SIR ENGINEER ALI is the pride of Muslims ,we Pakistanies are lucky to have him in this era ,I feel the pleasent hussle and brussel around the Deeni circle is because of Sir Ali,
May Allah bless and protect our precious gem.....aameen.
ماشاء اللہ بہت اچھی گفتگو رہی
تکفیر ہی اسلام کی راہ میں بڑی رکاوٹ ہے اس سلسلے کو جاری رکھ نے کے لئے تقدیس صحابہ کا نظریہ گڑھا گیا ہے
This is in my opinion, the best engineer muhammad ali mirza podcast. Especially at 56:32. Man, what great explanations with examples.
Two foremost intellectuals of Pakistan. Initiatives like this can reignite the the element of discourse and debate in our society.
Great Job Sir ! Outstanding Discussion ____ ❤ May ALLAH Bless On You Dr. Sahib & Engineer Muhammad Ali
Dear Dr. Taimur, thank you for conducting this podcast. It was incredible.
Eighty odd minutes of pure learning and knowledge, injecting a new temptation to study and learn more and more. Thankyou so much to both the teachers. ❤
WOW, I must be dreaming. Thanks, Dr Taimur for this insightful discussion.
Ma-Shaa-ALLAH ! ! ! Well needed clip Keep on preaching ISLAM without any sectarianism. May ALLAH guide all of us towards his path of TRUTHS. Aameen ! ! ! My salute for all the TRUTH lovers. Al-hamduLILLAH ! ! !
Thank u for adding this masterpiece in your channel. Glad to witness two open-minded and liberal people discussing societal issues without any lens of orthodox religion.
Religion has lot less to do with the chaos we saw in past few centuries. It was mostly economy, the economics of fame and followers. Rest , I presume u are smart enough.
@@sibtainhaider2411yes absolutely, religion has been merely used as a prime tool to control masses, its not the religion but people who used it that r that fault
This is so Beautiful, from listening Faiz from Taimur to the basics of religion with EMAM . It's definitely worth the effort. May Allah guide us all to the righteous path-Amen
First time I am seeing an interview with Engineer in a less harsh manner. Kudos to Dr sahab for keeping it civil, engaging and more like a discussion rather than a hard talk style interview.
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*Dear Ali Bhai* Aoa,
Reference to your lectures at TH-cam, the content of your lectures based on, finding only mistake of other Muslims.
*When do you speak ?* Establish, the Quran and Hadees Cut the hands of Thief should be a law of our land?.
Respect your knowledge, skills & lectures "exposing ONLY others mistakes in your lectures, follow the same line of you.
*Therefore* kindly clarify the below:
Please focus on this Truth once our Moula Ali (RA) accepted the regime / Government of First Ruler Abubakar (RA) and follow his Government and after him continue his support to Omer and Usman (RAA) being a single unit, under only just one name as Muslim without making any division or sect under Islam.
Why later on, who had made the Two division under Muslim and calling ourself Sunni & Shia?
Please Answer.
Thank you,
Anwar Masih Uddin
S/o Dr Sayed Baha Uddin
@@AnwarMasihUddin . Engineer never sided or supported shiah sect . He just highlight truth . Our problem as under . Under sunni faith no human is infallible except prophets. As we are not ready to accept it problem arises . Apart from proohet all our humans . All committed mistakes in various degrees . Some less mistakes some committed more mistakes. Unless we accept these bitter truths problems will remain.
Great to see you Sir with another realist and scholar person who is guiding millions of muslims in digital era.
Taimoor bhai "I saw* something in you but i didn't know what it is" and today i see what it was!
Such a lovely intellectual discussion, really faizyaabable, Alhamdulillah 😊
sir me khud deuband se taluq tha mera mene kafi had tak study bi ki hai in ke madaris me lekin engineer mirza ali saab se bt kuch seekha hai or ye bt acha kam kar rahey hain hamari society ke leye or ummat ke leye
Zid aur haddharmi mai deoband ka koi saani nahi
It's such a treat to watch you both together❤
Sir this is todays the most excellent session for us. And plz make some more session like this for fiqa jihad concept and ijtihat plz makes us to make clear concept about these basic topics in islam
Great Discussion between two great intellectuals of this modern era, we are with you we must learn Islam in a proper way
One of Best podcast ❤👍.
Very critical, important questions. Credit goes to Dr Taimur: The way he prepared critical question for
Engineer Muhammad Ali Mirza ❤👍
i want to sleep but the charisma of this debate is not allowing me.
It's NOT a debate its a DISCUSSION plus a question and answer session. A debate is something totally different. Correct yourself there✌✌
Also btw u should watch such learning-filled and Interllectual discussions with FULL concentration and 0 biasness so u may benefit and learn. DON'T think of sleep during such videos bro
I highly respect Engr. Mohammed Ali Mirza, because he support his talks with authentic references 🤲 He is very well-versed of religious & scientific knowledge. ماشاء الله تبارك الله
After a long time a sensible Genuine Aalim of deen has come. Allah aap lambi zindagi de Mirza sahb
ماشاءاللہ صرف 7 گھنٹوں میں 28 ھزار ویوز اور ساڑھے 4 سو منٹس - اور وہ بھی پوزیٹیو!
People are extremely concerned and learning enthusiastically from great learned teachers.
That's great. Just finished the whole podcast and this type of discussion is the core need of time. Unfortunately we are stucked by those forces who wants to remain us busy by utilizing their interest. Jazak Allah
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*Dear Ali Bhai* Aoa,
Reference to your lectures at TH-cam, the content of your lectures based on, finding only mistake of other Muslims.
*When do you speak ?* Establish, the Quran and Hadees Cut the hands of Thief should be a law of our land?.
Respect your knowledge, skills & lectures "exposing ONLY others mistakes in your lectures, follow the same line of you.
*Therefore* kindly clarify the below:
Please focus on this Truth once our Moula Ali (RA) accepted the regime / Government of First Ruler Abubakar (RA) and follow his Government and after him continue his support to Omer and Usman (RAA) being a single unit, under only just one name as Muslim without making any division or sect under Islam.
Why later on, who had made the Two division under Muslim and calling ourself Sunni & Shia?
Please Answer.
Thank you,
Anwar Masih Uddin
S/o Dr Sayed Baha Uddin
Sir I am very happy to watch you with respected sir Engineer Muhammad Ali Mirza. I hope people like you will effect our lives in a positive way. It's very hard to live. Waiting for change.
Everyone, who is regarding this comment, I have a request for you. Please pray for me. It's really hard to live these days.
Masha'Allah Dr Sahb a very informative session with EMAM
Mashallah Two high intellectual personalities in one frame Mashallah❣️
Chal bhai.. porana hogaya yeh phrase
@@maddyrulez q ky Ali bhai ko achy sy acha bnada jo society ma positive ha salution end py khary log milny aa rhy hain to hmain har dfa kehna parta ha ....and fasadi or gumrah log to jealous hongy na
@@mdqaisergaming8062 acha acha tu yeh baat hay
G pyary bhai ❣️
I am from Bangladesh... I only watch watch these 2 person from Pakistan
Dear Ali and Taimur, Please have more sessions like this as you can cover more topics. Please make this a series.
Sir I saw the whole video without skipping and it was enlightening. Allah Bless you both Ameen suma ameen
Ma Sha Allah...
May Allah Almighty Bless EMAM Sahab & All Of Us. Ameen!
سب سے پہلے تو مجھے اس بات کی خوشی ھے کے سوشلسٹ لوگ بھی اب قرآن کی طرف آگئے ہیں میں نے دو سال قبل قومی محاز کے دوستوں سے کہا تھا کے پروگریسیو اور سوشلسٹوں کو بھی قرآن شریف فرقان حمید کامطالعہ کریں اور اسکے لیئے ضروری ھے کہ قرآن کو ترجمے سے پڑھا جائے ۔
Finally Finally finally.. Two Intellectuals have come together at the same platform ❤👍
what a beautiful interview, it was such a treat to watch both you, Ma Sha Allah
MashAllah Great Podcast. Before i was unaware of Engineer ali mirzas thoughts. Now i am fully aware. Hope to see more of such podcast from you. 🇵🇰❤️
An excellent discussion we need to hear MashaAllah Alhamdulillah ❤
This is an excellent example of how social media can help bring different POVs together, and work for the larger good of people - if there is effort & tolerance to start understanding each other. Two thumbs up to both of you!
Juda ho Deen siyasat se. . . It seems like the metaphor is symbolized in the 2 speakers here where deen and siyasat has converged as Engineer and Doctor in true sense.
Great session taimur saab
ماشاءاللہ
ڈاکٹر صاحب بہت عمدہ کوشش ہے
اللہ پاک آپ کو اجر عظیم عطا فرمائے
Ali Bhai jesa sacha Aashiq-e-Rasool hai ee koi ni
Yeh hona chahiay guftagu ka level. History , economics . Let’s find solutions!
Wallah what an excellent session.
I pray Allah protect you both.
Taimur bhai . Great interview
You were able to get best out of Engineer Muhammad Ali Mirza. Very relevant questions you asked but i wish if you could have asked his opinion about modern day music.... Or Laal band
I don't flatter myself enough to think he knows of my music.
One sentence from Dr taimoor, I always see intention of every verse and law of Islam. Then I interpret it . This was perspective changing idea from Dr taimoor.
بہت خوب، دونوں عالموں نے قلب و دل روشن کر دیا ہے- سلامت رہو! ❤
You’re the best Ali mirza bhai ❤️
Dream come true. A very well awaited session. Sir Dr Taimur, I am very grateful that you went there and recorded this important and necessary podcast. I love and respect you both. May Allah protect you and EMAM from your enemies and always guide you upon the right path. I have learnt alot. Jazakallahu Khairaa. ❤ 💯
Well, i must that's a new beginning where people from different ideologies r sitting togather, putting forward their thoughts in an intellectual manner and appreciating efforts of respective clubs.
Weldone Bro for this effort and may Allah guide us all towards path of jannah.
Treat to watch.
ڈاکٹر صاحب بہت ہی خوبصورتی سے نہایت اہم اور مشکل سوالات آپ نے رکھے اور انجینئر صاحب آپ نے نہایت مدلل گفتگو فرمائی۔ سن کر بہت کچھ سیکھنے کو ملا ﷲ پاک آپ دونوں اور آپ کی ٹیم کو سلامت رکھے اور توقیفات میں مزید برکت عطا فرمائے۔
What an amazing podcast, before that, I was confused about Mirza's thoughts. but now totally got it
بہت اعلی اپ دونوں جیسے بہادر اور حق گو لوگوں کی موجودگی سے لگتا ہے شاید دین کے احیاء کا وقت بہت دور نہیں انشاللہ
kind of colab i didn't expect but loved every second of it..
MashaAllah! What a mind boggling discussion. May Allah bless both of you.
Thnx a lot to youTube that we are aware of the A.B.C. of our Religion..Alhamdo lillah.???
Listened all conversation ALHUMDULLILLAH Engr Sahab may Allah guide us you're doing good work..
The best ever podcast of Engineer Ali Mirza
And Dr taimoor always a class apart
May god bless them both.
this man is a gift to Pakistan 🇵🇰 ❤
Dr. sab apke okhy okhy swal boht relevant hote hn.
Doctor sab aap ne badi der kar di
Mya 1 anpadd jahil hon magar ali
Bhai ko 1 bar sunkar samal gaya
Allah ke karam se mere ustad jai sa
150 sal me hai kohi nahi Allah salamat Rakhe ali bhai ko aameen
💝🌹🇮🇳💯
Most intellectual podcast with in depth analysis which i heard today
Wow
I really enjoyed this podcast
Thank your Dr sahab and Engineer Sahab for talking on controversies in a decent way🥰
Though I mostly don’t agree with Dr Taimur Rehman, still he deserves to be loved and I love him. Salute to EMAM for his invaluable services towards spreading the Words of Allah
اللہ تعالٰی ہمیں دین کی صحیح سمجھ عطا فرمائے
آمین ثم آمین یا رب العالمین
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Excellent,worderful,...... i don't have words left to say about this podcast. May Allah give both of you to give muslim ummah to come out of blind practice of views, religion...
This podcast was more interesting than Shehzad Ghias one tbh ❤ i wish toda aur lengthy hota, but In Sha ALLAH i hope we’ll see both you doing Collab again.
MashAllah engineer sahb changed my life my thoughts of islam ,
He is the Man of honor 🙏 MashAllah
What a podcast!! Salute Ali Bhai. He always talks logical and with reference. While Taimoor bhi Jaime excited thy lg rha jaise "Fan Moment" hai inki
As someone who studies and teaches history, I've always had a gripe with Ali Bhai's insistence over using it in a modern term. For example, at 16:30 he compares the state of the Rashidun and then the Umayyads and the Abbasids. The Rashidun Caliphate was indeed a golden age (as he compares to Marx's ideal world) but only for the less then 6% of the population that was Muslim. There were no institutions that were needed to build a socialist state. We only ever hear of the Amsar (the cities that the Muslims built such as Kufa and Basra). By contrast, the Abbasids had a lot more integration of the Muslim elites and everyone else. Al-Ma'mun even had a sort of a public health care program (which, from my studies, wasn't that different from our modern alternatives like ObamaCare). He talks about imperialism of the Umayyads and the Abbasids but only insofar as it relates to their oppression of the Alids. However, for the general public, the Abbasids were much more of an improvement over the Umayyads and the Rashidun.
Additionally, the Romans and the Persians were no more imperialist than the Arabs were and the Great Arab Conquests were, by no means, any form of last resort. I'm not trying to paint the Caliphates in a bad light but if you wanna compare tradition with history, then you run into these problems. He's the one who made those historical claims.
Saywaish Bhai, love your work as well.
Socialism is a terrible murderous ideology
Good to See both of You
Welldone for educating people
Very Very Beautiful, literate discussion by two learned men
One of my fav scholars ❤❤ love you lal
Feeling blessed to have both of my most favourite personalities in one frame with rational n logical discussion.
An incredible discussion, I wish to see more conversations like these. EMAM and Dr. Taimoor deserve alot of applause for discussing the issues that are faced by the contemporary muslim world.
Bhot bar dekh sun li yeh discussion bss end hogai kmaaal
Dr. Taimur Sb, ALLAH PAK ap ko abad rakhain. Bht bara kaam kr diya ap ne is ko document kr k.
19:28 😮
What a fearless Man. ❤
Most awaited podcast ❤❤❤
Wah sir g baary baary se interview liya ja raha hai
Engineer Muhammad Ali sahab se.😊
Pehle shahzad Ghias or fr aap
Jo ke achhy baat hai❤️❤️
Very Nice V-Log, May Allah Always Protect & Love Engineer Miirza ❤❤❤
Best scholar.... ENGINEER MUHAMMAD ALI MIRZA ❤❤
Well needed Podcast. More power to both of you
What a Useful and informative podcast..❤
Very interesting discussion covering a wide range of topics. Mashallah
Such people should do more podcasts together more often in the best interest of the general public. Both are knowledgable and both have a sense of humor.