11,000 Runners Disqualified In Mexico Marathon In UNPARALLELED Cheating Scandal
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ย. 2024
- An unprecedented amount of runners DQ'd from the 2023 Mexico marathon.
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It has always been this for years in Mexico.
About 3-6k runners cheat.
It’s just now that it reached this level and had to be reported internationally.
This is just to post on social media what great time they made. .. taxi taxi
That was my guess was that many went in only trying to run a 10k or a half marathon or a bunch of splits. It seems like a common thing if it's this high profile.
Why don't they just close this competition, people can clearly not behave themselves and ruin for honest people.
If you choose to run a marathon why would you then decide to cheat?? No-one is forcing them to run it, even more bizarre being 11k of them!
Why? Because Mexicans love to talk about times ran. They love that.
They cheat so they can do good
They just wanna be able to tell their friends that they ran a fast marathon time? And even then it's not like anyone cares what your marathon time is, unless your friends are runners in which case, they would know you're lying if you're an out of shape 250 pound dude tryna tell them you ran a 2:30 marathon 🤣 it's just the dumbest thing I've ever heard of. 11 thousand people were not competing for prize money when probably like the top 3 finishers get paid any reasonable amount. So it can't be for money either...
Same reason that people lie about their times. Which a lot of people do.
@@ohsweetmystery first of all lying about your time is just weird like who cares? But going out of your way to cheat just so you can say you ran a time you didn't is just goofy. Like just lie about your time at that point and save yourself the hassle🤣
Hard to fathom 11k people cheating
Because it didn't happen. Even the article he linked to said 2k not 11k
Honestly sounds kinda fun to just go fuck it I’m gonna cheat on a marathon and hop in a bus with a bunch of ur friends
@@Pochi1i knew that number sounded crazy
@@Skibidibobobeebopor don't sign up 🤷🏾♂️
@@Pochi1it says 11000 now
I'm run marathons and I am slow as f***......but never once thought about cheating. Don't want to have a life knowing any of those accomplishments were a lie. What's the point? The medal is nothing compared to the fact that you pushed through the pain of 26.2 miles. Those people will always be losers.
Well said
I don't understand either, what's the point even, I think it's a much bigger achievement if your body was actually able to do something like that no matter how slow and not the chance to brag that you came 20000 of 30000 runners thanks to cheating, no one cares.
cheating in a marathon is just sad. What kind of low life person do you have to be to cheat at the marathon. To me this is the lowest of the low and these people should be outed and shamed. Its disgusting and kinda shows how the world is going these days people want to get somewhere and they dont care if they have to cheat to do it.
dude there was a guy that posted on instagram showing off his finishing time and it was 1:09 LoL! Not only he cheated and was showing off a lie but guys such an ignorant that he was pressuming an impossible time
🤣 The dude just beat the world record by almost an hour. Somebody better give this guy a a few endorsements.
hes black and has 3 legs bro!!!
You amigo know your Mexicano. They love times. They talk times day and night. Every run is a race!
Lolll what the heck
I posted my 1km PB and 1Mile PB at the weekend, I did 1km in 12 seconds and 1mile in 2minutes.
wasn't cheating though, Garmin GPS is horrendously bad.
I am Mexican, I live in Mexico City, and it is embarrassing for me what you just brought to light.
This is totally Bizarre to have 1/3 of the participants cheating.
I can only assume they were locals knowing the public transport and having friends with transport. Maybe it’s the course that’s easy to cheat on or was it a flaky tracking system?
From the title of this video I imagined 11,000 runners being incorrectly directed the wrong way then were made aware of the mistake but just kept going rather than back tracking and taking the correct route.
I’ll be interested to know that this was actually correct after several weeks investigating. Something sounds fishy.
The media were running with made-up numbers from a Spanish media outlet.... the _actual_ number confirmed by race organisers was only 1,807 runners who were disqualified for “unsportsmanlike conduct”. No clarification of how many of those 1.8k were actually cheating or whether that also included runners that didn't finish the course or some other undesirable behaviour - and the media have been quick to conflate "disqualified" with "cheated". So unfortunately race organisers aren't helping the situation with the lack of clarity around DQ reasons.
Sad. The worst part is these people cheated on themselves and they have to live with that in their conscience
They don’t care.
Yep, a good portion of them will eventually go and actually complete the marathon
Ohh, there's complete absolution by the words of a man the next weekend. No conscience, no consideration, no compassion.
They aren’t just cheating themselves. All of those people he’s posting pictures of “qualified” for Boston and other races that take the rest of us years to qualify for, if ever.
Animals have no conscience.
It's crazy to take public transit. But I also seen the marathon map and you could have cut miles off just by crossing the street instead of going around a big loop. The route is goofy for a major marathon.
Yeah, there is a Race like this the USA state where I live in South Dakota, the Brookings Marathon that you could have skipped a loop few spectators are in due to the place being this tree park that is about 1 mile long in a section they had to add this part to the race to make it World Record ready with Start and finish well under the new max distance from each other they can be for races like this and city only allowing the race as long as it is in the entire city with little of it on the very edges/gray area.
I saw the course map, there is many out and backs and points where you can cut a whole lot of course if you divert by a few blocks. I would guess most of the cheating was from simple course cutting rather than catching street cars etc
This is horrible 😢 for all of us who had worked soo hard to get to Boston, and they are openly cheating. Thank God they got caught.
Think they can hide from the camera wrong.😂😅. caught red handed. 💪💪
We live in a world where your perceived value is determined by others on social media. Many therefore cheat to “hide embarrassment and failure” when in fact such act is the very thing that devalues them
How can so many people's cheat at once ? U call it unbelieveable race cheating.👍😂
hmmm 11k cheaters with no real economic incentive all at the same time. VERY bizarre ,considering most run for fitness and personal improvement. It also seems like could be software related. I could believe like 1000 but 11k?!
Es gente que sube fotos a redes sociales presumiendo que terminó el maratón y aparte querían los la medalla o camisa que te dan de "finisher"
I would love to hear a good psychologist explain the motivations behind cheating in a fun run (in my mind if you’re not in the elite group it’s a voluntary fun run). I don’t understand the desire to cheat yourself. Are they so desperate to receive acclaim from family and friends that they will lie to them? I can understand a few extreme cases of people behaving like this but 11,000!, it’s disturbing that so many choose to behave like this.
Getting the satisfaction of finishing something you've spent hours and days training for, is clearly something cheats could never appreciate nor value. Cheating in running, video games, work, life etc.. is something that I'll never understand.
I want to look myself in the eye and know I've earned it. It's called self-respect... something these 11 thousand fakes, clearly don't even understand, let alone posses. Wow. Sad.
My guess is that 13,000 people didn't plan to cheat, but if a few dozen people decided to cheat out in the open, and other runners saw, they probably got upset and thought "well if they cheat, that's an unfair advantage, so I'll even the playing field and cheat too!" It was a mob/crowd reaction, I'd wager.
But two wrongs never make a right, and now 13,000 people are facing the consequences of their own actions. I'm sure they all knew better.
Most probably just followed the person in front of them, the organizers must make a better route.
Bay to Breakers was the worse I witnessed. Idiots jumping in almost up to the finish line.
Time to public shame these cheaters.
Knowing Mexico, the electronic monitors glitched. It is like the us government guys. You gotta wonder.
Nobody is a looser because they can't do a marathon. But those people are loosers beyond imagination.
They all went Roberto Madrazo mode... look it up.
Would have been nice to actually explain what happened exactly.
Can't understand human behaviour right now.No one force you to enter the marathon race & suffer yourself to run but you spend your money & time willingly to run & cheat??Mind-blowing
This is the crazy marathon
This race has had thousands of cheaters each year. 3000, 7000 etc.
You have to be more precise with your photographs, you put images of other cities in Mexico different from where the marathon took place.
what a shame!
Imagine cheating and then feeling good when telling people you ran a marathon 🤣
Probably some runners did not pay a bribe to the street cops positioned in the race that were crooked. If you didn't pay your bribe, you were shooed in an intentionally wrong direction that shaved miles off. Common thing there.
They should have a marathon where whoever gets there first by any means wins. I think we could get the times well below the 1 hr. mark😅
Conspiracy theory.
Bullshit. What. A bullshit.
They saw an opportunity and took it. Herd behaviour.
I don't understand what they have to gain...
time. The 1-2 extra hour they gained by cheating can be spent scarfing down on sugared carbs and coffee drinks at a Starbucks.
Wow so the one lady convincing people we an the 10K in 1h29 and finished the race in 3h15 😂😂
Why am I not surprised???
It was said that someone even broke the world record. How ignorant is to post on social media a time that's below the WR!!!
What a stain on Mexico lol, some culture.
Why cheat??
How fun can it be to take a transport vehicle through a Marathon?
More precise, how “fun” will this feeling be afterwards?
Why not just lace up and run through!
Like me and about 11.000 runners did about one week ago at Gothenburg Marathon (400 year celebration of the city)
”Göteborgsvarvet Marathon” (usually Half Marathon, one of the bigger in Europe)
Legendary moment… the Mexican marathon will live forever
It was sus when someone clocked a 1:59:59, lol.😅😅😅😅
It is Mexico after all.
I am going out to run in Mexico. I know many competive Mexican runners. That race was well covered. Mexico my be the best none technical running country in the world. While Mexico does not reach a Brasiliano level of general fitness and passion for the run they come close.I am going outside right now to run. I will ask my fellow runners what they know. Have I suspected that such things happen in local races? Yes. But 11,000 chaters? ¡Dios mio que es extremo!
What about that mountain tribe in Born to Run?
@@sports2hedz542 that is in Copper Canyon. Every Mexican runs like that. The all know of that tribe and that women who ran in sandalias made our of tire treads is a living legend.
Well, the number was rounded. I'm sure it was like 11,322 runners. Who really knows the exact number.
not 1,000, 11,000???
that is just NUTS 🌰
So they aren't sending their best?
whats the point in cheat ur self in a marathon? i dont get it
Way to live up to your stereotypes mexico, geez
Why would you cheat on a marathon ?
I wonder if Rosie Ruiz was Mexican?
Just Mexican doing Mexican thing? I hope not…
Why am I not surprised......just sayin'
cultural diversity.....
why would u cheat and finish only sub 6 hrs... bruh just do the training
Discusting.
Nobody calls it cheating when they re-pave your driveway in "record time."
Blame the cartels. For all the problems Mexico has, people blame the cartels.
I call BS. There is no way that a fraction of this number has the need or desire to cheat.
Gotta that Mexican ethical culture. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I feel sad for them.
says alot about marathons, and Mexican people.
Mostly about mexicans.
They're just used to crossing boarders illegally
😂
Imagine seeing that...like a whole city cheating at once
It’s called Washington DC.
@@rogerc23😂
Even the Russian Scandal wasn’t that many people 🤣😂
Talking about their government sponsored doping and why they were banned from the Olympics a few years ago lol
Just look at the Democrats😅
Mexican marathon runners don’t need a coach, just el coche 😂
Fiver coach
Unless you are top 3, you gain nothing so what's the purpose of cheating here?
Pride!
To post on social media and preach on how they made an new PB, that's basically it.
I looked up the Instagram posts of like 12 runners in this race(you can find it by using the tag)and everyone of them have a lengthy paragraph of their PB in this race with tons of motivational captions, it's hilarious.
The glory of friends and family calling you a cheater.
this supposedly happens in SF a lot and lol its a 10K, people jump out the bushes in the final 1/2 mile just to get their I ACHIEVED SOMETHING pic on the Golden Gate bridge.
@@josedelnegro46 haha
Such a shame for my beautiful country. Hopefully the measures they are taking help to improve the situation. I plan to make that marathon next year as my first marathon amd wouldnt like to have it tainted by a similar experience.
Well my experience in triathlon and Ironman is that when I’ve seen Mexico and Brazilian athletes they are very strict on not cheating or drafting on the bike.
your country ain’t beautiful it’s a horrible dangerous place
Ok, please don't cheat.
I ran the tokyo marathon. I was DQ'd because they have one of the most strictest time constaints and everything is based off of gun time, not chip time. It took 45 min to get to the starting line and you needed to hit the 10k mark by 1h30min. so I basically had 45 minutes to run a 10k.... so angry about that stupid race. I was extremely upset and extremely angry. The 10k cutoff is right where the marathon left turn is and then it's an out and back. so you could..... I did not.... but many did.... go under the road where the subway is and pop out on the other side. a lot of people did that and I didn't care. i will never run tokyo again. it was a waste of time, training and money. i could have cheated and took that medal home... but i decided against it. it would always be mocking me on the wal.. not everyone is an ethical runner. i completely understood why so many people cheated in tokyo. thousands and i mean THOUSANDS of people were set up to fail that day. that race, to this day, makes me so angry
Very few honest and conscious people like you and I in this crazy world. Good for you for not cheating. I've gotten angry about witnessing cheaters making it in life also, but God sees EVERYTHING and will definitely help honest people succeed. What cheaters do will come back to them. You reap what you sow, they will be cheated out of something later in life.
i dont get the first bit of 45min to the starting line, that time doesnt count tho? just not sure what im missing here
Be proud that you didn't cheat even if the race organizers honestly cheated you.
1 in 3, you say? So basically in line with their professional counterparts then.
Ms Garcia did a 12.4 mile 1:56(9 min mile pace), then managed to to cut that time almost in 1/2 for the last 13.8 miles running it in 1:14. 1:14 is a mighty fast 1/2 marathon+(5.22 pace). Anyone with those types of times/splits, got the boot.
good job to those who caught the cheaters
I think it’s really important here to acknowledge motive! I read that the reason why cheating is so rampant here is because the Mexico City Marathon was releasing a series of consecutive medals over 6 years that spelled M E X I C O. Hence, so many cheaters who want to get the collectible but don’t want to put in the effort. Maybe some got injured, or ran out of motivation halfway through. If true this is important to mention.
Actually makes sense now 🇲🇽🥉🥈🥇🇲🇽
Cheaters are just low lifes. Those 11000 should be banned from all racing forever.
that would explain a lot.
Yes, that is true, the collectible of letters ended a few years back; this time another collectible took place nowadays every medal is part of a puzzle representing map of the city. Personally, I got the letters I & C; after collectible ended up, the medal letters were available to sale online web sites!!!! I even could bought the other letters they were on sale online!!! But what could be the point of doing that!? I don't deserve them because I did do not run those races, as simple as that, why on earth people do that?? except to brag about a fake accomplishment! it supposed that a Medal is a reward and a reminder about all your complete effort, not the part of it by cheating, that is silly; anyways whatever the reason might be it does not justifies cheating
@@marysalmon2367. But that would be 11,000 fully paid entry fees. No way any race promoter could afford that financial hit.
I want to know how tho. It almost doesn’t seem intentional. It only takes one person to make a wrong turn, and that can turn into thousands following thinking it’s the correct route
A course in Mexico is wide open. Cars, bikes, pedestrians the works. No one is going to say anything if a cab pulls up.
I think everyone wants to know why it happened. This seems to be the most logical for that many people to be disqualified. Note I think disqualified is different than cheating. I've been on races where someone goes the wrong way and many people will follow.
If you check out the course map it's goofy. There's like 3 spots that if you cross the street you cut out big loops. And if there wasn't good directions it would be easy to skip big chunks.
@@leapdavid this makes most sense. I like that you’re differentiating cheating from disqualified. It puts the story into perspective. My original sense is that most people probably didn’t know they went the wrong way and accidentally disqualified themselves. Especially for a poorly marked course
@@dustindiaz I like your lemming theory.
😔 why???
The age old question 😂😂
Someone owes me nearly 3 minutes of my time. That told me absolutely nothing!!!!
Jane Seo, the super cheater, was caught posting her bike ride that was done at the same time of day as her run, and with the same time, but with a different (bicycle) cadence. She could not post the real run because she didn't run the full distance, and she had to recreate the run (she could have run it again, but that time was unrealistic for her, so she did the course as a bike ride & posted that instead, because of course she cheated during the actual marathon by not running the full distance.
I remember reading about that scandal. makes you think if they are ok with lying on a marathon what else would they be willing to do.
Wtf is going on 😮😂
Have you looked at the problem with the KM15 mat? I ran it and almost missed it as it only covered half the street. An organizer had to almost push me to the right direction. I later noticed several (perhaps one third) of runners records missing the 15km mark. I know of this because I actually lived it. But have not seen a single news note on it... 11K cheaters seems just impossible to even organize. So... just wondering if that was the real cause.
That is the most sensible thing I have read about this event. No way would there be 11000 cheaters. Something else was wrong. wrong.
A single missed mat (or even a few) isn't how they disqualify people. If you run honestly and happen to miss a mat, your pace and splits will still be sensible and race directors know that kind of thing happens. Cheaters get DQed when they miss lots of timing mats, and when their pace is an obvious lie (like people who ran 10+ minute miles for the first few suddenly missing a bunch of mats and then showing up with 7 minute average pace at the finish).
Often, if you break down a cheater's splits, they would have to run world record 5k or 10ks in between the mats that they did hit to make their finish possible.
That said, there are a lot of obvious places on the route where you could cut the course. I could certainly believe that a bunch of people accidentally followed some course-cutters and didn't realize it while they were running (though it should be obvious once they hit some mile markers and certainly by the time they finish).
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@@ianmcbee875 this also makes sense.
Cheaters were identified by impossible paces. If you missed a mat, say at 15 km, your pace between the 10K & 20K mats would still show you did that 10K segment (for me) in an hour. If it says you went from 10K to 20K in 10 minutes, you obviously did something crazier than just missing your 15K mat.
If there isn’t cash to be made here (which is a logical motive for cheating) why do regular runners cheat themselves? You run marathons to improve your time or to be proud of your own achievement. You never regret completeing a full marathon. The harder it was the less you will regret finishing the full distance.
Humankind is fucked up because of those ~11 000 😡🤬 mindsets but also rescued by ~19 000 others 😍🙂
I heard the reason they did it was to collect the medals apparently they are collectibles
Its probably more of a social media thing to impress people.
😮😮😮
i ran a half marathon at 56 yrs.old, first time ever running competitively and I finished in 1 hr. 45 mins 57 secs.
Thinking about that still gives me pleasure. If I had cheated, I would only have fooled myself and left me empty yrs. later.
Should be a Guinness world record.
According to the picture in the video, they are close to 3hours, so they did it to qualify for the boston marathon maybe?
Ok that makes sense. Don’t want to run a full marathon, but need a qualifying time…
most of them don't even know about that, I saw a dude that "ran" under 1 hour and 10 minutes, people was roasting him for the obvious cheating, haha
That's a real shame they got caught, I hear Boston has a great public transportation system...
That's just mindblowing to me that 11000 planned to cheat on a maraton, there must have been bad controls on this maraton that people decided it's wort it. Just ridiculous, not that these people where going to win anyway.
I'll just get called names if I say what I want to... well, forget it, fire and forget commentary it is. The fact that a full 1/3 of the field chose to cheat tells you something about the sporting culture among the racers. That many people doing it means that literally everyone saw it. You saw it as a competitor when people just stepped out of the pack into the crowd to jump onto vehicles. You saw it in the crowd. You saw it if you just happened to be riding public transport at the time. The only way that many people would be so comfortable with blatant cheating is if it were already part of their culture. Corrupt government, cheating in every aspect of your life. Cheating in schools. Cheating in business. People learn such lessons early in life, what is tolerated in society and which isn't. Humans aren't stupid and they're highly adaptable. This is part of the culture for people to be dishonest, even about something as meaningless as finishing a marathon. Let's be clear, we're not talking about 11,000 people contending to win here. These are people who just want the finisher medal so they can go home and say they did it. That's the prize they cheated for.
The real question is what race officials are going to do about it. Will there be consequences? Will race officials do something meaningful to try and re-establish the integrity of the race?
Really destroying those stereotypes there Mexico.
These comments are cracking me up. Everyone’s so confused. “That can’t be right.” “There must be an issue with the course.” “Oh they only have this problem because the medals are soo cool.”
No. It’s a third world country with an absolute shit culture. And a third of the runners blatantly cheated. Deal with it. Facts aren’t that scary
They aren’t beheding people while pretending running
Maybe we just did not understand what people were competing in. Maybe cheating in the marathon was the accomplishment people were aiming for. It's not "I ran a sub 3 hour marathon" but more like "I outsmarted the race officials and they credited me with a sub 3 hour marathon even though I would not be able to cover a half marathon in that time". And then they all make fun of the people who, in their view, waste their lives to become good runners. Only this time it didn't work out. But real sport is also like that, you don't always win.
Given how it looks like 3:30 was the magic number for these people, I wonder if it was a scam to get into the Boston Marathon and then "disappear" into America...it happens with flight attendants from the Middle East and would explain why almost HALF of the participants did this...
The CNN article tells a different story, thank you for linking it
This really says something about the culture of the country. I'm not racist- I'm actually a visable minority. But, 11,000 people cheating out of 30,000!! If these people cheat on a recreational event that gains you no monetary advantage, then what do you think these people will do in real life?
What is the point of cheating. I get the idea of trying to get top100 by being unsportsmanlike.. not cool, but cheaters will always exist.
But if you are somewhere in the middle of the field, what is the point?
Disqualified?
BAN THEM FROM THE SPORT?
Wtf people?
What a low level of respect for the sport from the people who run it.
It's one of two things. 1) The race was horribly organized and the route was not properly blocked off. Or, 2) There is something in the culture that thinks cheating is no big deal. I would be placing my money one 1. Either way that is roughly 1 out of every 3 runners cheating.
11000 .. sounds like the British post office scandal … bad software and/or bad hardware. I’d like to see an independent report
How do so many people run in a event that’s not at the national level that’s more participants thane the whole Olympics people should have to qualify even at this level that’s to much people and people that’s not serious about our game
I mean. It's Mexico. It's not the greatest place, so cheating isn't that hard to believe. What's next, russia cheats too? Lol. Good video, btw.
Cheating on this scale is a systemic issue, most likely cultural and quite interesting. There was simply no need to cheat so why do it. I find this fascinating.