Democracy and Dissent in China and India - Arundhati Roy with Dibyesh Anand
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- Professor Dibyesh Anand hosted a conference on Democracy and Dissent in China and India at the University of Westminster Regents Campus.
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I'm just commenting on every video with arundhati Roy in it and spreading some love. Because there is too much hate among Indians for this woman for everything to be okay with our society.
That hate among Indians that you are referring to is a result of those 24/7 News Channels that spread Govt. propaganda for the rich and the powerful and their chamchas...who total around 200 million.
......the attacks on her from them are not surprising since she's trying to speak of human rights for the masses who are suffering .....who total around a 1000 million.
To subhankar dey : I don't understand what you are saying......you are misquoting me while you seem to be agreeing with me, yet you say ' shame on you '.... your post is confused and confusing
Unless of course you are a ' troll ' and causing confusion is your agenda.
subhankar dey.... Please read and write a bit more carefully. I did not say there are 200 million rich people in India.....please re read the sentence..... and try to understand what I said. The so called ' middle class ' according to Govt. stats and respected newspapers like The Hindu are estimated to be between 150 to 200 million......and I never used the word ' exploited '...so please stop twisting my words. What I said or clearly implied was that these so called ' middle class' Indians are usually in support of the Govt..... and I pointed out that A. Roy was addressing the needs of the masses who don't belong to that " Middle class ' .
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Where did she get the number that 800 million Indians make less than 30 cents a day? I would like to know the reference.
Hats off to this lady, her intellect, creativity and a powerful style of articulation. The way she has built-up her narrative, there is little scope for opposition or argument against the state of affairs she narrated. I am only reminded of Karl Marx who with all his concern for poor and romanticism with an ideal society, government wrote the DasCapital and died peacefully ! But his followers and so called leftist, communist, Maoist broke the heaven loose on millions of people. With all its shortcomings India is a functional democracy , with whatever pace it may be but surely changing the lives of people ! Public service is no longer a passion or selfless service but nevertheless few enterprising people enter public life and run the system to some order. Arundhati Roy talks against this system and has no qualms about the possibilities of being destroyed. All the movements or resisting groups can never be alternative to existing dispensations.
So all the movements have to be built up within the parameters of existing systems, through debates, dialogue and perseverance ! Better she understands it..... Surely she might have understood it but self love, quest for glory & ego drives the people to unseen ends with blinkers on their eyes , not minding the trail of destruction they may leave behind.
It's been 5 years since you posted this, so you might've changed your mind. But you're under a grave misapprehension if you think Marxism was a terrible influence. It made clear the role of capital in society -- it's a living breathing theory of life under Capitalism. Until then injustice was rife, workers were treated like scum, children had to labour. Marxism and communism gave hope to people, just like Capitalism did for a while under feudalisms and monarchies.
@@ankushds7018
Nothing has happened to change my mind from what I have said five year's back. In fact it's Arundhati Roy lost her relevance to social / public movements, she was reprimanded by apex Court of the country. Nevertheless she made some excellent writings ✍ in her inimitable style .
Yes the Indian democracy and whatever the political system is on vogue has made rapid strides and education has become a movement, passion for Indian middle class and this force is propelling the Indian economy, living standards, mobility across the globe 🌎 to new heights ! Yes there should be some space for leftist thoughts, programs, movements etc but strictly within parameters of the system .
@@bbhusari Progress happens only amongst people that come under the system of democracy. If they are invisible, they'll be crushed. The Indian state is a coloniser. Just like the British. I mean, there was education even under the British -- but is being colonised and oppressed the cost we ought to accept for basic amenities!!? What is the education for? So they can be labourers who have no control over their work? So they can live their miserable lives of struggle just so their kids don't struggle as much? The kids, however, end up struggling any way! And they only way they can stop is if they manage to climb up to the middle class that have decent paying jobs... Jobs that are limited and only a minority can ever hope to get. Another way to free themselves is to become the oppressor in turn -- being a capitalist that owns their labourers -- to be a slave master.
The title is misleading. It is all about India so why bother to add China to the title of video.
Clickbait
@@gost7213 'Clickbait' is harsh. I think it's the title of the conference at the University of Westminster that this talk/discussion was part of. As a title for this video... Yes, lazy, and yes, misleading. Not consciously manipulative though, I think.
Arundhato Roy, thank you for your being!
"We gonna make up things as we talk... "
Spot on
Being anti-capitalist isn't the same as being anti-Indian, and you haven't at all demonstrated that she is anti-democracy.
She is presenting herself as professor of democracy. But twisting the facts and creating an absolute false narrative. She is not saying hindus are the oppressed community from last 1000 years by Islamic kings and british raj. And still handling islamist terror.
Istead she is telling as if hindus are the operessors. Then they devide hindus further while it is a stated fact in history written by themselves that killing Brahmin was a big project but this lady kabal project brahmins as oppressors. And calling India a hindu country as if it is an abusive word.
Isn't it hate speech.
Agreed! Although I am anti-Indian in the sense that I don't think the Indian state represents India, or that it ever can.
Nobody actually gives Arundhati Roy a ear. The Democracy index a ranking instituite routinely places india as a democratic nation.
U seem to be a self appointed custodian of the so called "Indian democracy"
@@multicolours6412 go to China and Pakistan and enjoy damocrcy. The power of Indian democracy is that we tolerate this bitchs even this bitchs speak against India.
I don't know on what grounds India can be called a democracy. She skillfully said everything
kashmir is an integral part of india unlike india and britain......they share an almost 5000 years of history with rest of the indians,,,,,according to your point all of the 28 states should separate......and by the way this separatist ideology and our inability to unite lead to the british rule in india in the first place
How can Kasmir and India share 5000 years of history when the idea of India itself is 70 years old? Either you are a mathematician of the highest caliber or I am missing some point here
@Saswata Ghosh have u heard of reality? making up ur own history is reality? u will claim indians existed before dinosaurs, cured cancer in 15th century, and interacted with aliens in 1800's...
Courageous Arundhati Roy of the India, taking a stand for what is morally right!
+Raju Charles idiot converted chap, you are in hell of the christ
Dear Chessus Crust give a bite of Forbidden Fruit of Knowledge to these converted children of yours so that they admit the genocide,live burnings,rappes,mass killings,forced conversions of poor,weak children,women and men by Katolicks.Also give them wisdom,to believe in Stone-age miracles more and more.
[P.S.-Only in India you see converts having hatred towards motherland and native culture.Converts of All other countries are staunch nationalists unlike in India.May be because they misuse special treatment given to them]
Omen.
damn, brown hindoo, calm down. @@bipinkumarcse
When has India waged a war against Sikhs in Punjab? Tribals in Telangana? Christians in Goa? Muslims in Hyderabad? And people who wave ISIS flags in Kashmir are Muslims? Because I thought terrorism has no religion.
Lol bjps 2 rupee it cell pissing in the comments
she is really great anthropologist too.
My only question 🙋 is did they leave the bauxite on the mountain?
Love You mam Arundhati Roy and always Pray for your Good Health. God Bless.
You love this woman. FUCK.
Amazing... as always... you are the best dear. 💜💜💜
She is the true patriot and best human being who points out the issues in society. No wonder, north Indian nazis hate her.
It's complicated dance -well said. Even Gandhi danced in complicated way with Birla in Birla house in Delhi.
I thought she was a rather pleasant and beacon of clarity of current happenings. It takes a lot of courage to speak up on what's right.
she is the real patriot....love Arundhati Roy....
+Abhishek Anand : and people say, intolerance is being increased, when people like her talks bullshit abt its own country and no action is taken against her,,, well done!!!!! ella es una mierdaaaaa...
Rajan Pal
you cannot jail someone for talking bullshit, in that case half of BJP party would be in jail becoz they always talk bullshit
Now 2021 I wonder how the winners and losers ratios now stand. Truely a great voice of history. The courage of Arundhati, is on open display. Cheers SBM.
She says big foreign publications, she says journalists have told her upfront that "no negative publicity" about India. I tell her: let her name them... we too will know. And actually boycott such publications.
You commented six years ago asking Arundhati to name specific media houses.. . This is 2019..let me name them for you now.. Republic TV, Times Now, Zee News and Sudarshan News..thank me (and Arundhati) later.
Bravo. Nailed a violent state and a vast unequal society. a thousand years on ...
if only she knows that what she thinks is her target defame india and more particularly hinduism, has already been achieved. poor thing! why dont go on help her out, pervert!
Unequal society
You don't know anything about India
where in my comment did you find my claim to being an intellectual?
Salute to You! You are the Voice of Justice & Humanity.
Arundhati Roy should be given the Nobel Prize (even it had been disgraced in the past by giving it to powerful criminals). That would make the thugs and racists who run India now think twice before they do something bad to her to silence her. Those of us who don't have the courage she has, to stand up to wealth and power, should venerate people like Arundhathi and Nobel selection committee should take notice since that is the only hope for our world where evil (the Devil) is running wild.
I am along the lines of Andrew Weeraratne who said she should be the contender of Noble Peace Prize.
Prasenjit Samanta Please contact Nobel committee and make the request:
www.nobelprize.org/contact/
Prabodhani Barber What is wrong with RT giving Arundhathi Roy an opportunity to state her take on the perfect Gandhi myth? I guess you rather have only those ranting fanaticism you share to enhance your narrow view of the world speaking to you since anything more than what you have been taught all your life is too much for your brain to handle. I was not suggesting it for your benefit since it is obviously useless. I was speaking on behalf of the other audience with open minds.
Dear Chessus Crust give a bite of Forbidden Fruit of Knowledge to these converted children of yours so that they admit the genocide,live burnings,rappes,mass killings,forced conversions of poor,weak children,women and men by Katolicks.Also give them wisdom,to believe in Stone-age miracles more and more.
[P.S.-Only in India you see converts having hatred towards motherland and native culture.Converts of All other countries are staunch nationalists unlike in India.May be because they misuse special treatment given to them]
Omen.
did you actually watch the whole piece??
At least you are not denying that you lied. That is a good first step.
They did & are still doing the same to Native Americans "for their own good".
I infact did and as far as I can tell she never said that. But you can easily clear up this confusion. You can point me to the right time in the video where she said that. Say it is 25 mins into the video then you can type 25:00 in the reply comment and say that is where she said it.
Beautifully explained,she iis very bold ,
I don't recall the exact context as to why I said, she's anti capitalist. Certainly anti capitalist is not anti Indian. Point is, she simply rejects a system - capitalism. That's immature. No system is is above board. As a sensible citizen of the world, all one should always strive to do is keep correcting them. But with her: it's all BLACK whn it comes to capitalism. That I find immature. This, I say, as old fashioned Fabian Socialist myself :)
@Nivedita Mishra after seven years, I feel you spelled my own thoughts. I feel she has interesting point but its oversimplification. It is oversimplification to a point where truth becomes obscure.
More and more of hatred means your in the right path good going mam your great speech unfolds the truth of misconceptionaly idealized ppl in india
ohh realy only you and your mam is on the right path?? ohh you means to say billions of people are stupis other then you and your stupid mam
she is anti-national
what a sick joke . She's just a narsicisst trying to get her deeds done. she's one of a kind in class who likes to seek attention by calling names angrezhi main.. fking psychopath
Arundhati Roy is arguably one of the most popular voices in the developing world. A champion of democracy
Foyasal Khan
Right.What can one expect from you
Excellent arundhati Roy 👍
Love you Ms. Roy !
Thanks Dibyesh for this treat.
what specifically did she report that was bitter in your view.?
Which stuff she takes before press conference???
This is not a press conference.. This is an auditorium in the University of Westminster in London in 2011....She is giving a talk on how main stream media twists facts and disseminates false narratives to create hate against people who are Anti-BJP.
She is speaking whatsoever the fact is but it is India not America or Europe. The fanatics are surely can not tolerate such things easily. So she should be very careful while exposing the truth. Anyway she is doing the great for the common masses and for the welfare of the country. Honestly we all must support her endeavour.
India Shining? Err? Are we talking at a tangent? I mentioned whatever I did in the context of how she picks only India baiting issues and safely ignores (at least in public) about injustices elsewhere. Not on...
Loveliest person on earth
@altaimountain she does say that the Maoists use the tribals and also the tribals use the Maoists. She hasn't fallen for the ideology of the Maoists but just their struggle against the corporations and the Indian state in usurp tribal lands. And her support is for the entire bandwidth of movements from the gandhians to the moaists.
I wish we had more women like her over here in America...Smart, Freedom Fighter & EXTREMELY attractive!
She's the most intellectual person I have ever listen.
When and where exactly did she say that?
India knows many kinds of dances not only in Bollywood but regional dances. Very complicated moves.
What book is she reading from? Can somebody please help me find it? Thank You
love her
@MsTruthforce she does speak about them. Read her. The story of Kashmiri Pandits is not the only story of Kashmir. She is mostly talking about injustices perpetrated by the Indian government.
the book around 46:00 min
She is an anti Hindu, anti upper caste. Maybe something to do with her Christian mother and Brahmin father (I am told she is Prannoy Roy's cousin)... he he he
Economy is therefore required to abolish poverty
Well, I think you should tell her that Indian constitution, while based on U.S constitution, has grown to be very very different. A proof this fact is the shear number of amendments(100 +) . Indian constitution is quite flexible, it was designed to be as such since day one. No one in India is ignorant of that fact. While Democracy is not a silver bullet, as far as India is concerned there is no viable alternative because of it's daunting diversity, linguistic, ethnic, cultural, religious etc.
Yes, I agree. But only if you force it to be one state that rules the country. How about each community forms its own communes and trades with one another through solidarity or just necessity. Just like the Indian government collaborates with other countries that it disagrees with. Wouldn't that be simpler? And more democractic?
why she is smiling?
At your stupidity I guess
Clear Crisp touching thought provoking, yes when the poorest of the poor can hold back those rich, can intellectuals only conclude that nothing much can be done?
Mam jay Bhim ,&I like you!
Democracy is a government of the people by the people and for the people, therefore it is required in each and every country. China may be rich through communism but it’s poor because of capitalism.
Goa always belonged to India. Never will it be given away again. Portuguese loving Goans can leave Goa and live in Portugal. Any other peoples who want to break away, can leave.
Well-said Braniac Fingers.
Ignore her. Reserve your angst for a nobler cause. Let her be a queen a few one-sided "bleeding heart liberals". Having said that at least appreciate the fact that she goes and talks to those who are unhappy with us, mainstream India. Separate the grain from the chaff. Remove her biases. Listen to the issue. I come from a region with HUGE Naxal population. I do believe that somewhere, in our collective march towards modernity, we have ignored the Adivasi.
that is so true :)
Arundhati Roy has an axe to grind about Indians past and present Modiji and his govt are doing a great job just what has she done for India except for blowing hot air not worth listening to her as someone wrote picking on selective speeches of great men like Gandhiji is just being simplistic
'join the development and join the peace'???? how would you have felt when the British plundered our wealth for the benefit of a developed British empire. would you have been proud just to be a part of the British empire.
I would certainly dig out proof if this was a court of law, not youtube. Besides, I am not accusing her. I said "She seems..." Safely saying that it's my perception.
I'm equivocal about her views about our country functioning model, yes there is always yes to change in developing countries it's always better to have a critic like her, it deepens our understanding. so let her give freedom what ever she wants to say and after then we can draw our own conclusions, it's always better to have a voice rather than dead silence.
critic is not an apt word for her. she has lost that long back. as per her narrative india is the worst place that can ever be. there is no dissent in india - while she continues speaking and there are people like you who echo with her openly. critizing my friend is healthy. she is schizophrenic.
@@10026270 society needs contradictory forces other wise it will become stagnant and rigid.
@@prometheansujith5017 i dont deny with what you say. what i differ however, is outlook of her as this benign force to society. she isnt. she is just the same as those who she oppose. she is just the same - of far extreme & there is no justification i could muster to find, trying to be very objective, in what she projects of india and an entire race that she is also part of.
@@10026270 Then what is the solution, silencing the opposition by muscle power or denying freedom to speak their mind? let everyone have their own views strong and intelligent one's will come out eventually to oppose it.
@@prometheansujith5017 am not sure whether i should state "LOL" at your comment or feel sad at this dichotomy trap you fell into. I would recommend you to learn the difference between criticizing and denigrating. The fallacy in 'freedom of speech' (there is a limitation). I think this is my third rephrase of same point.
By joining the development living in peace, do you mean that everyone should just look close their eyes and shut up?
She and other critics of the government often get into trouble in India for what they say. All you want to do is spread propaganda without actually addressing any of the problems she mentions.
Decolonized is committing the domestic colonialism ,as you say,.... oppression ultimately will go to the reshaping the country,with domanian past of togetherness,....no doubt new immagination may tranceform the mysry,...jeo Adi.
People are loosing their homes and lands everyday to banks and other corporations in western democracies also, not just India.. view Ben Gilroy halts receivers to view what "democracy" is all about.
WHY CONVERSION
DID GOD FAIL / UNABLE TO CREATE EVERY ONE IN ONE RELIGION THAT THESE CONVERTERS HAVE TAKEN HIS RESPONSIBILITY IN CONVERSION?
WHICH RELIGION GOD BELONGS TO ?
WHY GOD IS ANSWERING EVERYONE'S PRAYERS IRRESPECTIVE OF ANY RELIGION OR NO RELIGION?
Can any one tell WHAT GOD IS EXACTLY LOOKING AT -
HOW YOU PRAY?
WHICH LANGUAGE YOU PRAY?
WHICH PLACE YOU PRAY? etc etc.
Can any one Show /NAME at least one thing that GOD CREATED belongs to one particular Religion ?
If BIBLE / QURAN WAS NOT THERE ,whom did GOD CREATE
Funny thing is... I think just because she has good English vocabulary and knows how to speak she is invited to give speeches..
Two rs modi bhakt spotted
On what do you disagree with her? Or do you have no point to make but are intimated by her points. Or you didn't understand them. I think she spoke in very plain understandable English.
@@ankushds7018Okay Ankush, allow me to begin my response with a caveat, "whatever I am about to say is my personal opinion and when I want to be reasonably respectful to you as well albeit, in the extent of my personal capacity".
So, I don't actually feel the lady speaker here has anything specific which stirs any form of conviction within me on any subject, I am simply dismissive about what she is saying. I mean like I don't even have an interest in what she think, it lacks substance.
Ab main Hindi me aapse ek drishtikon sajha karta hun, kisi bhi vishay pe charcha karna samasya nahi hai. Vishay ki samajh ek baat hoti hai aur kisi Vishay ka bodh hona dusri. Iss mahila ko Vishay ki samajh toh thodi bhot hai lekin bodh nahi hai. Kisi Vishay pe kuch kehna na kehna ek vyaktigat chunav hai. Ek rashtra ya uski neeti ki charcha karna vyaktigat soch ke dayare mein to hai parantu uske prati, paksh aur pratipaksha ke sabhi prasangik pehluon ka vishleshan ab sambhav ho jaata hai.
Aap ki niji Ruchi saare nagrikon ke hit mein ho yeh avashyak nahi hai. Yeh in mahila iss drishtikon mein mariyada ki Seema ki aage jaake ik tarfa nazariya rakha hai.
So now you know, why I have a dismissive opinion of her points.
Dhanyavad.
what is wrong with eating beef...
What a fantastic brain. All of BJP +PMO doesn’t equal her toenails.
a refreshing view of india you won't hear from any other indian. very interesting. very original viewpoints which need more airtime outside of the intellectuals of india.
yes.. because i want the truth.. and she speaks the truth.. it hurts you because it is against what you have been taught.. well, i don't have to reply to this anymore.. if you still haven't got my point, there isn't any use..
yes, India should 'vacate' India; not just Goa.
Goa is our state
Sorry to butt in, but however said democracy is what US pushes? Democracy is what developed in collective West over a period of 800 odd years (beginning in England with the signing of Magna Carta) which simply believes that power should not be in few hands. US can call itself whatever... A, B or C...whatever. Besides, each country will develop it's own unique forms of democracy. The idea is that it should be participative governance.
yes this looks like an exaggeration when you hear all the things negative, but where is another voice to remind the 'city-dwellers' that there is another face to our development
Love her voice..
Arundhati Roy is the voice of hate. She has a good command over the English language and speaks eloquently so she can package hate and sell it to the upper middle class who is her bread and butter. She identifies with movements based on hate. She interprets events so that she can continue to hate and others can continue to hate. The more established her enemy, the more likely it is going to endure, the better it is for her hate. You need what you hate to exist in order to hate it.
Wow!
By her logic brahmins attacked christians to accede Goa.
I can't comprehend logically what she is saying.. disjointed.. un-connected to reality
Ah! that is probably because you do not comprehend logic. Maybe you should start there, before listening to such enlightened videos
Logical n convincing by arundhatiroy👍
Everything she says is subjective without much factual backing. when questioned about facts, most of her answers start with 'if you see'. She has made her life and career out of speaking ill about her own in every global platform she has been while praising its undemocratic neighbours. She is communist intellectual who sees india as an oppessor. She wud be very happy to see india disintegrate into 300 princely state. She cannot bear the fact that India is being taken seriously in global geopolitics. She has been this way in any government, she spoke agains india during congress time also. She suffers from some childhood psychological trauma as her parents were separated and she may have faced some social problems in a conservative malyali neighbourhood where she was raised by her single mother. She blames the INDIA for that trauma, thats the core nature of socialism, they manage to blame anything for their problems. Com on Arundhati, grow the fuck up, we all have faced problems in childhood, some were bullied, some faced corporal punishment, some were abused.... DON'T BLAME THE INIDAN STATE FOR THAT.
You are really great madam about the enough of dare to express the policy of every politicians.
let her have an open public debate with Indian intellectuals like Shashi Tharoor and Jay Prakash Narayan rather than commenting in between a largely ignorant and ill informed audience.
Wow! what makes you think the audience is ignorant and ill-informed. Quick to jump to conclusions, my friend. By your logic, I should assume that you did not receive basic education
Does being a citizen from a Democratic country give her the right to say against her own country at a world platform? India is a vast country with so much diversity and thus challenges are bound to happen and natural. But presenting as if its a doomsday for India is nothing but cud be an agenda with some different motive altogether. Still India has proved that it is a great country and stands unified unlike some other world powers which disintegrated...Jai HInd
Oops, Mohit. Pls avoid foul language. Trust me, getting angry is one thing, Hating is yet another. She's a silly woman. Ignore her. Else, oppose her robustly through the ballot box. Not by using foul language.
Well said Roy. India should vacate Goa.
So she did not exactly say it as you first said. You lied at least at the first time.
If you are wrong, you say? If Arundhati Roy is wrong, you say? If your father is wrong, you say? If your mother is wrong, you say?
War not against Sikhs, but against Khalistanis. No war against tribals in reality but a culture and language war ( not by Central Government). In Goa, war was against Portugese - Christian Goans on the whole supported India. Not against Muslims in Hyderabad but against the Nawab and his Razikars - google to find their atrocities.
The only thing AR is consistent in is bashing the writ of the Indian State, whatever the cost or ramifications. If she lived in a true dictatorship such as China or N. Korea, she'd be slaving away in a torture camp, not be given a public forum so as to spout her unhinged lunatic views.
Do you realize that one is not competing for tragedies here?
@1984sangram totally!
She sympathizes with terrorists, but never offers a solution for the rooted problems. I've never heard her speak one word against Islamic Jihadi forces within India, although she sally forth and call India a Brahmanical State. Is that why we have a Sikh PM, a Roman Catholic President of Congress, a Muslim CJI? Is that why Muslims in India are given their own Sharia laws and subsidies for Hajj? Let her can name a single other country in the world that makes such appeasements,
@MsTruthforce
Agreed.
Hollow answer on atrocities during regime of Mao!!!
just look at the embassies and its line,whether as a tourist,migrant worker,education the allied countries always hold the longestline,you see people always want to act the enlighten ones,compassionate,and that were the weakness of democrasies comesfrom,just read the little redbook..
@1933shaka Thank you very much for the compliment. I'd rather be dumb than be her blind follower.
@workhardt2 If you gave a ear, it would help to understand why that would be a joke.
want brownie points from a bunch of strangers over the internet??
Don't be bringing allegations unless you're gonna back them up with evidence.