Love Union bindings. Their customer service (in Europe at least) is also great. They've replaced broken straps and beat up heal cups for me no questions asked!
What would you recommend question… I’m torn between the new Force and the Atlas and even considering the Atlas pro. I ride icy Midwest conditions and take a couple out west trips a year. I plan on moving back out west so I want something that can handle more terrain. Advanced rider wanting to charge hard all over the resort. Fast Side hits and calculated turns. Riding switch and beboping butters. Not a lot of lazy riding but I play in the park and love jumps. I have been on Force bindings for a decade and love them but always felt like my set up lacked something. I was on a DC media blitz(full camber and stiff) and now am on a Capita Super DOA( multiple camber and a bit more flex). With this new board in mind what are your thoughts/ recommendations? You guys are a wealth of knowledge. Thank you for you content and passion for the sport
Many thanks. So this is just enough info to get me in trouble recommending something as I don't know much about you. I would say give the regular Atlas a try if you want something more than the force but you might miss the shock absorption. I'd pass on the Atlas Pro with the Super DOA. I would say both the Force and Atlas will easily turn the Super DOA but hit me up here if you want to get into more detail. shop.thegoodride.com/merchandise/gear-advice/
Hi guys, loved your reviews for Union Binding Line-up Which would you recommend for a All-mountain snowboard like Capita BSOD. Based on your reviews, Atlas has more dampening absorption (high speed, icy conditions) vs New Force shock absortion (jump and hard landings)? In my case Im oriented to better turning initiation, response and dampening riding. Thanks!
Close call here but I'd probably go XL if you have a board that properly matches 13 boots. Hit me up here if you want to get into this in proper detail so I can actually help. shop.thegoodride.com/merchandise/gear-advice/
Hi James , thx for all the vids , very detailed info , apprciated ! Im always a Burton binding guy , would like to try out the new Force , just one concern as i see a lot of posts regarding the QC of Union bindings , loosen heelcups , screws etc , have you come across these problems ? Thx 😊
Thanks! I had those issues about 8-10 years ago. They were all fixed with a new washer/screw design and they even sell the part so you can update older bindings. Davey has 200+ days on one of his Force bindings. I put even more days on my Atlas and never had a single issue.
I'm using the ReFlex Malavitas and I really like them but I'm wondering if I'd get more out of the new Forces. I'm debating picking them up and wondering what would be your thoughts when comparing the two. I'm riding last year's Nitro Magnum, I wear a size 14 boot and l mainly ride in a all mountain style , maybe looking to try more carving this season.
Sorry missed this! Yes for size 14's Union fits a little better. You also should have better response and stance width adjustability. If you want to get into this more hit me up here. shop.thegoodride.com/
Hey, digging the content. Any thoughts on what bindings to go for with a powder board? I just got the Capita Spring Break Powder Racer, but I feel lost when I try to look for bindings. My daily is the Jones Aviator 2.0 with Jones Mercury bindings. For the Powder Racer, I keep hearing different opinions regarding the stiffness and flex recommended for the new pow-board. Any advice would be greatly appreciated!
That's a great board to compliment your Aviator for pow. If you like the Feel of the Mercury/Aviator 2.0 you want something damp because the Pow Racer is a little more light/poppy than your Aviator 2.0 so I'd look at the Mercury again or the NOW Drive Pro (review coming but similar) as it has a little more mellow high back. The Nitro Phantom or Phantom + could work too.
@@thegoodridesnow Thanks so much for the guidance, I'll definitely be on the lookout for the review and start researching the recommendations in the meantime!
Adjustability question. I’ve been happy with the Ultras for the last couple seasons but I have never used the Force. On the Ultra, the mounting point for the high back, heel cup adjustment and ankle strap is all the same bolt. On the Force, the heel cup adjustment is the set of bolts in between the high back/ ankle strap bolt and the toe strap. Is it possible to mount the ankle strap onto the middle set of heel cup ‘arm’ bolts? That would allow for more lateral boot movement - more tweaky. Thanks
I'm a little confused here. The Heel Cup adjustment on the Force is just for adjusting for boot size just like the Ultra. Do you mean mounting the ankle strap middle binding on the reinforcement bolts? Or do you mean slide the heel cup in more on one side and out more on the other to get a little different angle? So no on 1 and yes on 2 but it's only going to feel a little different. If you mean something else can you send me a loom giving me a better visual or hit me up here with images. thegoodride.com/other-inquiries/
@@thegoodridesnow sorry for the confusion. I may be wrong about the function of the bolt. I am wondering if it is possible to mount the ankle strap on the set of bolts that are closer to where the middle of the boot would be, or in other words the set of bolts that are closer to the word “force” stenciled on the side of the binding. If it is possible, is that also true for any Union binding with the two sets of bolts such as the Trilogy and Atlas.
Just purchased a new Capita mercury 25 just can’t decide for the classic force or the new force for all mountain riding what do you guys think? Definitely leaning more towards the new forces
What would you recommend to pair with a Cardiff Lynx? Also, what do you think about the Nidecker Rift boots with this set up? Finishing up my first season and am trying to plan my setup for next season. Don’t plan on riding any park. 6’3”, 195 pounds, sz 10 D.
I think going Force Classic would be great with the Lynx but you could also do Union Ultra, Rome Vice, Rome Katana or Nitro Team or Team Pro. Yeah Rift's could work if you like more of a mellow flexing boot. If you want to get into it more hit me here to give me the info I need to help you much better. shop.thegoodride.com/merchandise/gear-advice/
Thanks for the great info. I have a size 14 boot and the Atlas doesn’t go that big. Am I sacrificing a lot of all-mountain free ride performance by going with the classic Force which does have an XL? The binding will be on a Proto FR DF. I’m a big dude-6’4” 225lbs.
No problem. I think the Force Classic XL is a great fit with the Proto Fr DF and you will have a great time with that combo. The Proto FR is a pretty damp ride so not having a little extra dampness with Force Classic vs. Atlas will not be too much of an issue and you gain some shock absorption.
By curiosity, how much extra of instance adjustment you can do into back inserts? If it's a good quantity it may be the best type of binding for boards with setback.
Great question. I would say its more comparable to the new Forces and is maybe a touch softer. In comparison to the newer Atlas highback it twists a good bit easier and also gives at the top easier too but not as much as it twists. Check this review. th-cam.com/video/Gy3dRyf__kE/w-d-xo.html
Hey guys, I’ve been really tossing up between the new force, strata or ultra to go with my Capita super doa, I ride in Australia and mostly all mountain freestyle and park. Love the mini disk on the strata and ultra but have ridden the old force in the past on my regular doa and really liked that too. What would you suggest for a predominately park/freestyle setup? Cheers, love the vids 👍🏽
Hey guys. Loved the review. I just bought a 2024 Capita Mega Mercury 160w and have riden OG forces since 2013. Should I try the 24' Atlas's? Something tells me I should stick with the Force Classics though. I'm just not sure if I really want that stuff of a high back. Thanks so much!
Thanks! You might really like the new Force then since they kind of go back to a modern/evolved version of what you have. Or even buying the newer ankle straps, screws/washers, toe straps and even a high back on your old Forces would be a nice upgrade. C3 and Evo sell parts and it's a very easy way to upgrade what you have now. Or get a new pair of Forces and upgrade your old ones to have 2 relevant pairs.
What would you reccomend for a "Yes Dicey 2020-2021" New Force, Ultra or Strata. I am mainly riding on groomed slopes. My level is beginner-intermediate.
I'd give it to the Falcor because it does a little better at vibration absorption and it's just about the same for shock absorption. I'd go Force though if you have set back inserts/aka a board that works better with full size discs.
Yeah me too. I would say the new Force is the closest of the All Mountain bindings from Union but I would say the Ultra or Strata is closest to how the Malavita rides even though they have a very different design. All Union bindings are super adjustable so you get stance width adjustability with any binding.
Interesting. I hear people say the malavitas are freestyle but then others say they’re a do everything binding. I came off some original cartels (pre X option) that were the wrong size and on a very stiff board so I opted for something more in the mid flex to match my replacement GNU RC and GNU Hyper boards both a mid and mid/stiff board all mtn. Is force a better match up than malavitas?
It really depends on the type of rider you are and the board you have. With those easy turning boards (rode em both) you might really like the Strata or Ultra. The New Force could work too if you want to stiffen up the ride under your feet with a little bit extra response.
@@thegoodridesnow cool. I’ll put more time on my malavitas as I loved them last year but question if I’m in the exact position I want to be. Feels a touch wide when strapping in but then good when I get going and have more stability in chunky snow but then if I set it one position narrower it’s more natural just strapping in but then lower back gets a bit more sore riding (like I’m compensating being cramped) and get kicked around easier. So I’m either good in the wider position or right in between would be perfect but I can’t get there with Burton, which would suck because I love how I can ride the malavitas all day and my knees and feet don’t get beat up at all.
Yeah that is the problem with Burton. Limited boot to binding adjustability and no stance width adjustability for any non-channel system board. Hit me up here if you want to get into it further. shop.thegoodride.com/merchandise/gear-advice/
I currently ride a capita supernova with 2017 flux tm bindings, i really like the stiff combo for hard charging all mountain, but am looking to get a softer board for more of a powder/freestyle. Thinking either the rome stale fish or the lib tech cold brew, should i get force bindings or atlas? theres a crazy good deal on some atlas pro by me but boy those seem stiff
I’m using EST Malavitas and they’re really comfortable but I’m not sure if it’s the EST flex or the binding itself but it’s on the border or being as flexy as I like, particularly when it comes to toe/heel response. I have a pair of Atlas pros that I’m going to try out this season but I’m looking for a “softer” pair of Unions to use on my indoor for more Jib/Park/pressing etc.. I want to get a mini disk but can’t decide between the Ultras or Falcors. I only have the EST Malavitas to really reference from but that’s as soft as I’d like to go. Curious which Union binding would be at least as stiff as the vitas but not overlap to much into the Atlas Pro
So the Malavitas are interesting. They have a very mellow response but with a stiffer high back. The toe side also seems slower than the heel side even when my boot is perfectly centered on board. So if you like a stiff high back go Falcor. You will get a lot more response, a stiffer high back and more symmetrical response. If you want similar response but more symmetrical with a softer high back go Ultra. That would be the closest to the Malavitas and have the least overlap with the Atlas Pros.
@@thegoodridesnow thank you for getting back, when you say symmetrical are you referring to toe/heel and tip/tail? Since I’m going to be using these as a more park/groomer binding I thought the Vitas were pretty good tip/tail they just lacked that toe/heel response. It sounds like both the Ultras and Falcors are both more consistent toe/heel and tip/tail? I’m leaning Ultras just because I already have the Atlas pros, I’m just worried the Ultras are going to be softer than my Vitas. Like you said the vitas to me were just dull in the toe/heel area. If the ultras have at least that amount of response if not more that should be fine. I just don’t want to go softer that the ESTs I’m using now. Thank you for reading all this and getting back. I’m just poor and don’t get to board as much as I’d like. I try to get the most out of the few days I get on the mountain 👌🏾
no problem. Refering to heel to toe/edge to edge symmetry. No Union is pretty consistent throughout their line when it comes to edge to edge turning. Yes give the Union Ultras a go. I think they will work very well for what you want.
@@thegoodridesnow totally different question but I’m trying to decide on what size BSOD to grab. I’m going to get a 56 indoor / have a 58 Custom Camber and want the BSOD for really pushing it on groomers and the occasional pow days. I’m 6ft 155-160 with L Atlas Pros and size 11 Photons. My 58 custom is not at all to stiff or anything like that just for reference. I want to try out a wider board and I’m between the 161W or the 62. I know that I’m on the light side for these sizes but I live in FL and grew up surfing - competeting etc.. so I’m used to riding boards that are 6ft on and on. My 58 custom doesn’t feel long at all to me. The last couple seasons I’ve used those tracking apps and I was going 55-60 on groomers just to give a little context to riding style. The Custom felt okay but with the vitas it was just a little dull surprisingly, when I was really carving I was getting some heel drag here and there and the power/response wasn’t quite what I was hoping it would be. I was thinking the 61W to eliminate all toe/heel drag as well as a little extra width to help with pow float but I havent ridden a board much over 26cm waist before. I want the board to still have good toe/heel response, would the 61W at 26.7 be to slow toe/heel? I kind of want to try a wider board and the 62 has a 26.2 waist. Both are wide enough I just don’t know what the difference between the 2 would really be?Just curious which would be a better choice? I’m looking for the bomber board that will give me some float for the occasional pow day but more so for going fast and laying carves. Sorry for the really nitty gritty questions, I just geek out on the little specs. I’m the same way with my surfboards, I can feel a 1/32 of thickness in my surfboards for example lol thanks for getting back on all of this. You guys have the best reviews by far. Cheers from FL
Can you please speak to turn response between 2024 Force and the Ultra's? Beginner rider here and having a tough time engaging heel side when carving with Ultra's. Having said that, on my 154 spring break resort twin, the medium ultras are skewed heavily towards toe overhang; just don't sit evenly. Wondering if Forces with the FLAD could make things easier. Big fan. Appreciate your content here on YT and website. Thank you gents.
Thanks! So the Force is more responsive but I don't think that is your problem. I think you don't have the Ultra's set up correctly so the problem would be the same with any binding. You should hit me up here thegoodride.com/contact-us/ so you can send me pics and I can properly help. YT isn't a good place to do this.
What material is the base gasket on the new Force? If it's a hard plastic do you think it could cause marks to the topsheet, as per Burton re:flex bindings?
Its very similar to the old force so it will leave some light marks but nothing like the Burton Re:Flex bindings. Those used to really mark up my boards compared to Union.
Which binding in the Union line is most similar to the Burton Cartel X? I like the overall ride of the Cartel X in terms flex, response, & turn initiation but want to try something from Union.
How tight should the Ankle straps be.The screws where they connect to the binding.Should they be tight or loose so they swivel? I know they are loose straight out of the box.
Ankle strap screws don't have to be super tight. Make sure you can move the strap up/down easy and don't worry about that too much. I would make sure the second screw that holds the heel loop is super tight though.
What would you recommend for a k2 excavator? Im going to get one as a powder/tree board. I will be downsizing on the board. I currently ride cartels and could use them but want to try something new. Union force? Great channel, btw!
Thanks! If you want something more responsive/adjustable check out the Union Force, Atlas, Rome Katana, Cleaver or Nitro Phantom +. They all match up really well with the Excavator. If you want to get into it more hit me here to give me the info I need to help you much better. shop.thegoodride.com/merchandise/gear-advice/
Very Well. That and the Atlas are some of the best bindings for boards with set back inserts. you can still slide them tip-tail to adjust your stance width a little.
Knowing so little about you it's hard to say with any certainty. Response is pretty similar with all three. So is adjustability. Atlas doesn't feel cush/shock absorbent but does feel very damp and a touch more responsive. Force or Force Classic aren't as damp/chatter resistant but have softer foam/rubber so they have an easier ride for those that like to get air or just want more shock absorption. Hit me here if you want to get into it in more detail shop.thegoodride.com/merchandise/gear-advice/
Hello What u recommend for my setup , recently i got Orca 2024 and i have Deep Thinker 2019. I have ridden Cartel X est so i want to sell and get one for all bindings I liked Cartel X est, it felt ok for me so i want something similar i have eye on Atlas or new Force or maybe even T Rice Falcor or even Cartel X reflex ? Can u somehow compare them to Cartel X and give me your thougts what will be ideal ? Greetings from Serbia - Europe , we watch u here a lot ☃️👌
Thanks for watching! Greatly appreciated. Glad you are getting away from EST's. I would go Union if you want better adjustability and more response. Falcors pair really well with the Orca and Deep Thinker. I would go Atlas or Force if you plan on buying other boards because their Full Size Discs match with any board. Especially boards with set back inserts you might get down the line. Atlas are more damp and Force more shock absorbent.
Both will work very well with your Flagship. I think if you get a lot of air and want a more cush landing go Force. If you want a more damp ride at speed and like to carve hard go Atlas.
If you have the new 2021 with rubber in the heal instead of foam it's a big difference. Much more shock absorbent. A little less response but close enough for me not to need more. High back is a little stiffer with the Force too. I recently switched over to the new Force just because I need more shock absorption and I'm not missing the Atlas.
So I ride women's boards, which tend to be on the skinnier side, so I have to be really cautious about overhang. Do any of these have smaller footprints at the same size? Or are they all about the same.
All are the same size and stay with the All Mountain/Full Size Discs Union bindings. They have a smaller footprint on the board vs. the Freestyle models that don't have an adjustable gas pedal/a bigger footprint on the board.
For friendly debate here, but I find it hard to believe the force has better absorption? Rubber absorbs shock better than foam -> perhaps it is the more free flexing board underfoot due to the foam of the force that makes it feel as though it has better shock absorption. Like for Like material absorption properties, the rubber should be superior. p.s. Love the channel :)
The argument isn't about the materials, it is about the binding as a whole. The rubber on the Atlas is too dense to act as a cushion, which is why he says it is more damp than shock absorbent. It absorbs vibration/chatter rather than impacts. I have the Atlas and agree.
Hey! How are you doing? Here the guy from Argentina and the GNU RC C2 haha :) Still haven't decided yet about going for the Ultra's or New 2024 Force's, what do you think about now that you have tried both? All-mt freestyle with focus on Jumps and carving, what do you think it will be a better match to the GNU? Thanks for your time again! Hope you doing well.
Good. I would say the Ultra's are a better fit with the RC C2. Especially if you want to make it even easier to butter. The new Force could work too. Especially if you want to stiffen up the ride a touch and get more response. So go with what appeals to you more as there is no wrong answer.
I love how they feel and ride, but there are a couple of dissapointments for me. The baseplate on the large classic is borderline too small for my 156 wide board. Also the heelstrap on my front foot has loosened many times when i have had hard landings. And last, but not least, the heelstrap broke in two just be me trying to counterrotate a bs 3. So a good binding, but far from perfect
The new Union Force XL are some of the best fitting bindings for people with feet your size. Hit me here if you want to get into it more and make sure your whole set up is dialed. shop.thegoodride.com/merchandise/gear-advice/
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Love Union bindings. Their customer service (in Europe at least) is also great. They've replaced broken straps and beat up heal cups for me no questions asked!
Thanks for your take.
Great review - love the details. Thanks guys!
Many thanks!
Saw a moring glory cameo in there. Can't wait for the review!
We are working on it but it might be a little while longer.
What would you recommend question… I’m torn between the new Force and the Atlas and even considering the Atlas pro. I ride icy Midwest conditions and take a couple out west trips a year. I plan on moving back out west so I want something that can handle more terrain. Advanced rider wanting to charge hard all over the resort. Fast Side hits and calculated turns. Riding switch and beboping butters. Not a lot of lazy riding but I play in the park and love jumps. I have been on Force bindings for a decade and love them but always felt like my set up lacked something. I was on a DC media blitz(full camber and stiff) and now am on a Capita Super DOA( multiple camber and a bit more flex). With this new board in mind what are your thoughts/ recommendations? You guys are a wealth of knowledge. Thank you for you content and passion for the sport
Many thanks. So this is just enough info to get me in trouble recommending something as I don't know much about you. I would say give the regular Atlas a try if you want something more than the force but you might miss the shock absorption. I'd pass on the Atlas Pro with the Super DOA. I would say both the Force and Atlas will easily turn the Super DOA but hit me up here if you want to get into more detail. shop.thegoodride.com/merchandise/gear-advice/
Hi guys, loved your reviews for Union Binding Line-up Which would you recommend for a All-mountain snowboard like Capita BSOD. Based on your reviews, Atlas has more dampening absorption (high speed, icy conditions) vs New Force shock absortion (jump and hard landings)? In my case Im oriented to better turning initiation, response and dampening riding. Thanks!
Thanks! You have it reasoned out correctly. Both are great bindings for the BSOD but I think the Atlas is probably best for you.
Solid review guys! Im looking at the new force bindings. I'm a size 13 boot, right at the edge of L and XL. Which size would you recommend? Thanks!
What make and model boot do you have?
@@thegoodridesnow I've got the thirty-two Lashed.
Close call here but I'd probably go XL if you have a board that properly matches 13 boots. Hit me up here if you want to get into this in proper detail so I can actually help. shop.thegoodride.com/merchandise/gear-advice/
Hi James , thx for all the vids , very detailed info , apprciated !
Im always a Burton binding guy , would like to try out the new Force , just one concern as i see a lot of posts regarding the QC of Union bindings , loosen heelcups , screws etc , have you come across these problems ?
Thx 😊
Thanks! I had those issues about 8-10 years ago. They were all fixed with a new washer/screw design and they even sell the part so you can update older bindings. Davey has 200+ days on one of his Force bindings. I put even more days on my Atlas and never had a single issue.
I'm using the ReFlex Malavitas and I really like them but I'm wondering if I'd get more out of the new Forces. I'm debating picking them up and wondering what would be your thoughts when comparing the two. I'm riding last year's Nitro Magnum, I wear a size 14 boot and l mainly ride in a all mountain style , maybe looking to try more carving this season.
Sorry missed this! Yes for size 14's Union fits a little better. You also should have better response and stance width adjustability. If you want to get into this more hit me up here. shop.thegoodride.com/
Hey, digging the content. Any thoughts on what bindings to go for with a powder board? I just got the Capita Spring Break Powder Racer, but I feel lost when I try to look for bindings. My daily is the Jones Aviator 2.0 with Jones Mercury bindings. For the Powder Racer, I keep hearing different opinions regarding the stiffness and flex recommended for the new pow-board. Any advice would be greatly appreciated!
That's a great board to compliment your Aviator for pow. If you like the Feel of the Mercury/Aviator 2.0 you want something damp because the Pow Racer is a little more light/poppy than your Aviator 2.0 so I'd look at the Mercury again or the NOW Drive Pro (review coming but similar) as it has a little more mellow high back. The Nitro Phantom or Phantom + could work too.
@@thegoodridesnow Thanks so much for the guidance, I'll definitely be on the lookout for the review and start researching the recommendations in the meantime!
Adjustability question. I’ve been happy with the Ultras for the last couple seasons but I have never used the Force. On the Ultra, the mounting point for the high back, heel cup adjustment and ankle strap is all the same bolt. On the Force, the heel cup adjustment is the set of bolts in between the high back/ ankle strap bolt and the toe strap. Is it possible to mount the ankle strap onto the middle set of heel cup ‘arm’ bolts? That would allow for more lateral boot movement - more tweaky. Thanks
I'm a little confused here. The Heel Cup adjustment on the Force is just for adjusting for boot size just like the Ultra. Do you mean mounting the ankle strap middle binding on the reinforcement bolts? Or do you mean slide the heel cup in more on one side and out more on the other to get a little different angle? So no on 1 and yes on 2 but it's only going to feel a little different. If you mean something else can you send me a loom giving me a better visual or hit me up here with images. thegoodride.com/other-inquiries/
@@thegoodridesnow sorry for the confusion. I may be wrong about the function of the bolt. I am wondering if it is possible to mount the ankle strap on the set of bolts that are closer to where the middle of the boot would be, or in other words the set of bolts that are closer to the word “force” stenciled on the side of the binding. If it is possible, is that also true for any Union binding with the two sets of bolts such as the Trilogy and Atlas.
No prob. I dont think that will work. The screws are different.
Just purchased a new Capita mercury 25 just can’t decide for the classic force or the new force for all mountain riding what do you guys think? Definitely leaning more towards the new forces
Both are great but I prefer the new Forces better. If you are looking to save cash go Force classic.
What would you recommend to pair with a Cardiff Lynx? Also, what do you think about the Nidecker Rift boots with this set up? Finishing up my first season and am trying to plan my setup for next season. Don’t plan on riding any park. 6’3”, 195 pounds, sz 10 D.
I think going Force Classic would be great with the Lynx but you could also do Union Ultra, Rome Vice, Rome Katana or Nitro Team or Team Pro. Yeah Rift's could work if you like more of a mellow flexing boot. If you want to get into it more hit me here to give me the info I need to help you much better. shop.thegoodride.com/merchandise/gear-advice/
@@thegoodridesnowawesome thanks a ton for the reply! I will probably hit you up through your link as I get closer to pulling the trigger on my set up.
Thanks for the great info. I have a size 14 boot and the Atlas doesn’t go that big. Am I sacrificing a lot of all-mountain free ride performance by going with the classic Force which does have an XL? The binding will be on a Proto FR DF. I’m a big dude-6’4” 225lbs.
No problem. I think the Force Classic XL is a great fit with the Proto Fr DF and you will have a great time with that combo. The Proto FR is a pretty damp ride so not having a little extra dampness with Force Classic vs. Atlas will not be too much of an issue and you gain some shock absorption.
By curiosity, how much extra of instance adjustment you can do into back inserts? If it's a good quantity it may be the best type of binding for boards with setback.
About 1cm per binding/2cm total.
Hey y'all, where would you rank the 2022 Atlas highback with relation to your highback stiffness list at 1:51?
Great question. I would say its more comparable to the new Forces and is maybe a touch softer. In comparison to the newer Atlas highback it twists a good bit easier and also gives at the top easier too but not as much as it twists. Check this review. th-cam.com/video/Gy3dRyf__kE/w-d-xo.html
Got it. Thank you for the info!
Hey guys, I’ve been really tossing up between the new force, strata or ultra to go with my Capita super doa, I ride in Australia and mostly all mountain freestyle and park. Love the mini disk on the strata and ultra but have ridden the old force in the past on my regular doa and really liked that too. What would you suggest for a predominately park/freestyle setup? Cheers, love the vids 👍🏽
Thanks! I would go Ultra. That is a great paring with the SDOA for park.
@@thegoodridesnow awesome, appreciate it guys!
Hey guys. Loved the review. I just bought a 2024 Capita Mega Mercury 160w and have riden OG forces since 2013. Should I try the 24' Atlas's? Something tells me I should stick with the Force Classics though. I'm just not sure if I really want that stuff of a high back. Thanks so much!
Thanks! You might really like the new Force then since they kind of go back to a modern/evolved version of what you have. Or even buying the newer ankle straps, screws/washers, toe straps and even a high back on your old Forces would be a nice upgrade. C3 and Evo sell parts and it's a very easy way to upgrade what you have now. Or get a new pair of Forces and upgrade your old ones to have 2 relevant pairs.
What would you reccomend for a "Yes Dicey 2020-2021" New Force, Ultra or Strata. I am mainly riding on groomed slopes. My level is beginner-intermediate.
Ultra.
What has more shock absorption the new force or the falcor? I like the atlas but my knees and hips don’t love the impact from them.
I'd give it to the Falcor because it does a little better at vibration absorption and it's just about the same for shock absorption. I'd go Force though if you have set back inserts/aka a board that works better with full size discs.
Which would be closest to Burton re flex malavitas? I really like my malavitas but wish they had the ability to adjust side to side.
Yeah me too. I would say the new Force is the closest of the All Mountain bindings from Union but I would say the Ultra or Strata is closest to how the Malavita rides even though they have a very different design. All Union bindings are super adjustable so you get stance width adjustability with any binding.
Interesting. I hear people say the malavitas are freestyle but then others say they’re a do everything binding. I came off some original cartels (pre X option) that were the wrong size and on a very stiff board so I opted for something more in the mid flex to match my replacement GNU RC and GNU Hyper boards both a mid and mid/stiff board all mtn. Is force a better match up than malavitas?
It really depends on the type of rider you are and the board you have. With those easy turning boards (rode em both) you might really like the Strata or Ultra. The New Force could work too if you want to stiffen up the ride under your feet with a little bit extra response.
@@thegoodridesnow cool. I’ll put more time on my malavitas as I loved them last year but question if I’m in the exact position I want to be. Feels a touch wide when strapping in but then good when I get going and have more stability in chunky snow but then if I set it one position narrower it’s more natural just strapping in but then lower back gets a bit more sore riding (like I’m compensating being cramped) and get kicked around easier. So I’m either good in the wider position or right in between would be perfect but I can’t get there with Burton, which would suck because I love how I can ride the malavitas all day and my knees and feet don’t get beat up at all.
Yeah that is the problem with Burton. Limited boot to binding adjustability and no stance width adjustability for any non-channel system board. Hit me up here if you want to get into it further. shop.thegoodride.com/merchandise/gear-advice/
I currently ride a capita supernova with 2017 flux tm bindings, i really like the stiff combo for hard charging all mountain, but am looking to get a softer board for more of a powder/freestyle. Thinking either the rome stale fish or the lib tech cold brew, should i get force bindings or atlas? theres a crazy good deal on some atlas pro by me but boy those seem stiff
Stiff and not that shock absorbtion. Atlas is better than what you have now but Force is much better and still very responsive.
I’m using EST Malavitas and they’re really comfortable but I’m not sure if it’s the EST flex or the binding itself but it’s on the border or being as flexy as I like, particularly when it comes to toe/heel response. I have a pair of Atlas pros that I’m going to try out this season but I’m looking for a “softer” pair of Unions to use on my indoor for more Jib/Park/pressing etc.. I want to get a mini disk but can’t decide between the Ultras or Falcors. I only have the EST Malavitas to really reference from but that’s as soft as I’d like to go. Curious which Union binding would be at least as stiff as the vitas but not overlap to much into the Atlas Pro
So the Malavitas are interesting. They have a very mellow response but with a stiffer high back. The toe side also seems slower than the heel side even when my boot is perfectly centered on board. So if you like a stiff high back go Falcor. You will get a lot more response, a stiffer high back and more symmetrical response. If you want similar response but more symmetrical with a softer high back go Ultra. That would be the closest to the Malavitas and have the least overlap with the Atlas Pros.
@@thegoodridesnow thank you for getting back, when you say symmetrical are you referring to toe/heel and tip/tail? Since I’m going to be using these as a more park/groomer binding I thought the Vitas were pretty good tip/tail they just lacked that toe/heel response. It sounds like both the Ultras and Falcors are both more consistent toe/heel and tip/tail? I’m leaning Ultras just because I already have the Atlas pros, I’m just worried the Ultras are going to be softer than my Vitas. Like you said the vitas to me were just dull in the toe/heel area. If the ultras have at least that amount of response if not more that should be fine. I just don’t want to go softer that the ESTs I’m using now. Thank you for reading all this and getting back. I’m just poor and don’t get to board as much as I’d like. I try to get the most out of the few days I get on the mountain 👌🏾
no problem. Refering to heel to toe/edge to edge symmetry. No Union is pretty consistent throughout their line when it comes to edge to edge turning. Yes give the Union Ultras a go. I think they will work very well for what you want.
@@thegoodridesnow thank you 🤙🏾
@@thegoodridesnow totally different question but I’m trying to decide on what size BSOD to grab. I’m going to get a 56 indoor / have a 58 Custom Camber and want the BSOD for really pushing it on groomers and the occasional pow days. I’m 6ft 155-160 with L Atlas Pros and size 11 Photons. My 58 custom is not at all to stiff or anything like that just for reference. I want to try out a wider board and I’m between the 161W or the 62. I know that I’m on the light side for these sizes but I live in FL and grew up surfing - competeting etc.. so I’m used to riding boards that are 6ft on and on. My 58 custom doesn’t feel long at all to me. The last couple seasons I’ve used those tracking apps and I was going 55-60 on groomers just to give a little context to riding style. The Custom felt okay but with the vitas it was just a little dull surprisingly, when I was really carving I was getting some heel drag here and there and the power/response wasn’t quite what I was hoping it would be. I was thinking the 61W to eliminate all toe/heel drag as well as a little extra width to help with pow float but I havent ridden a board much over 26cm waist before. I want the board to still have good toe/heel response, would the 61W at 26.7 be to slow toe/heel? I kind of want to try a wider board and the 62 has a 26.2 waist. Both are wide enough I just don’t know what the difference between the 2 would really be?Just curious which would be a better choice? I’m looking for the bomber board that will give me some float for the occasional pow day but more so for going fast and laying carves. Sorry for the really nitty gritty questions, I just geek out on the little specs. I’m the same way with my surfboards, I can feel a 1/32 of thickness in my surfboards for example lol thanks for getting back on all of this. You guys have the best reviews by far. Cheers from FL
Can you please speak to turn response between 2024 Force and the Ultra's? Beginner rider here and having a tough time engaging heel side when carving with Ultra's. Having said that, on my 154 spring break resort twin, the medium ultras are skewed heavily towards toe overhang; just don't sit evenly. Wondering if Forces with the FLAD could make things easier.
Big fan. Appreciate your content here on YT and website. Thank you gents.
Thanks! So the Force is more responsive but I don't think that is your problem. I think you don't have the Ultra's set up correctly so the problem would be the same with any binding. You should hit me up here thegoodride.com/contact-us/ so you can send me pics and I can properly help. YT isn't a good place to do this.
What material is the base gasket on the new Force? If it's a hard plastic do you think it could cause marks to the topsheet, as per Burton re:flex bindings?
Its very similar to the old force so it will leave some light marks but nothing like the Burton Re:Flex bindings. Those used to really mark up my boards compared to Union.
Which binding in the Union line is most similar to the Burton Cartel X? I like the overall ride of the Cartel X in terms flex, response, & turn initiation but want to try something from Union.
I would say the Force and Force Classic.
How tight should the Ankle straps be.The screws where they connect to the binding.Should they be tight or loose so they swivel? I know they are loose straight out of the box.
Ankle strap screws don't have to be super tight. Make sure you can move the strap up/down easy and don't worry about that too much. I would make sure the second screw that holds the heel loop is super tight though.
Hey, what Union bindings would you recommend a pretty beginner rider using YES Basic snowboard? Thanks!
The Stratos or Ultra pair well with the Basic. You could also go Force or Force Classic if you want a stiffer more responsive feel underfoot.
think i saw the amplid morning glory in some clip.
will you be dropping a review of that? thanks :)
Yes but we have a few boards in the que ahead of it. Here is my early take on patreon. www.patreon.com/posts/amplid-morning-79124447
Which Union binding would you recommend for a Rossignol Templar Magtek?
Force Classic or Strata would be the best but you could get away with the Flite Pro or STR if you are on a budget.
What would you recommend for a k2 excavator? Im going to get one as a powder/tree board. I will be downsizing on the board. I currently ride cartels and could use them but want to try something new. Union force? Great channel, btw!
Thanks! If you want something more responsive/adjustable check out the Union Force, Atlas, Rome Katana, Cleaver or Nitro Phantom +. They all match up really well with the Excavator. If you want to get into it more hit me here to give me the info I need to help you much better. shop.thegoodride.com/merchandise/gear-advice/
Force classic pair well with yes basic uninc? I got a good deal on both of them at 50% off
Very Well. That and the Atlas are some of the best bindings for boards with set back inserts. you can still slide them tip-tail to adjust your stance width a little.
Atlas, Force or Force classic. I drive Nidecker Escape Plus and Nidecker Blade.
Thank you
Knowing so little about you it's hard to say with any certainty. Response is pretty similar with all three. So is adjustability. Atlas doesn't feel cush/shock absorbent but does feel very damp and a touch more responsive. Force or Force Classic aren't as damp/chatter resistant but have softer foam/rubber so they have an easier ride for those that like to get air or just want more shock absorption. Hit me here if you want to get into it in more detail shop.thegoodride.com/merchandise/gear-advice/
Hello
What u recommend for my setup , recently i got Orca 2024 and i have Deep Thinker 2019.
I have ridden Cartel X est so i want to sell and get one for all bindings
I liked Cartel X est, it felt ok for me so i want something similar
i have eye on Atlas or new Force or maybe even T Rice Falcor or even Cartel X reflex ?
Can u somehow compare them to Cartel X and give me your thougts what will be ideal ?
Greetings from Serbia - Europe , we watch u here a lot ☃️👌
Thanks for watching! Greatly appreciated. Glad you are getting away from EST's. I would go Union if you want better adjustability and more response. Falcors pair really well with the Orca and Deep Thinker. I would go Atlas or Force if you plan on buying other boards because their Full Size Discs match with any board. Especially boards with set back inserts you might get down the line. Atlas are more damp and Force more shock absorbent.
Hey! Do you think the new Forces would be a good match with the Jones Flagship? or should I go Atlas? Thanks!
Both will work very well with your Flagship. I think if you get a lot of air and want a more cush landing go Force. If you want a more damp ride at speed and like to carve hard go Atlas.
How does the new force compare to the atlas 21? I have the atlas 21 kazu with the strata ankle straps, are the force still softer?
If you have the new 2021 with rubber in the heal instead of foam it's a big difference. Much more shock absorbent. A little less response but close enough for me not to need more. High back is a little stiffer with the Force too. I recently switched over to the new Force just because I need more shock absorption and I'm not missing the Atlas.
Hi how would the Nitro Team and Team Pro bindings fit in to this lineup?
I would say that is a great binding first off. Secondly I would say it's in between the new Force and the Strata.
So I ride women's boards, which tend to be on the skinnier side, so I have to be really cautious about overhang. Do any of these have smaller footprints at the same size? Or are they all about the same.
All are the same size and stay with the All Mountain/Full Size Discs Union bindings. They have a smaller footprint on the board vs. the Freestyle models that don't have an adjustable gas pedal/a bigger footprint on the board.
For friendly debate here, but I find it hard to believe the force has better absorption? Rubber absorbs shock better than foam -> perhaps it is the more free flexing board underfoot due to the foam of the force that makes it feel as though it has better shock absorption. Like for Like material absorption properties, the rubber should be superior. p.s. Love the channel :)
The argument isn't about the materials, it is about the binding as a whole. The rubber on the Atlas is too dense to act as a cushion, which is why he says it is more damp than shock absorbent. It absorbs vibration/chatter rather than impacts. I have the Atlas and agree.
Thanks @Druezy. Well said and that is exactly what we meant. I'm glad it feels the same for you as it does for us.
Hey! How are you doing? Here the guy from Argentina and the GNU RC C2 haha :)
Still haven't decided yet about going for the Ultra's or New 2024 Force's, what do you think about now that you have tried both? All-mt freestyle with focus on Jumps and carving, what do you think it will be a better match to the GNU?
Thanks for your time again! Hope you doing well.
Good. I would say the Ultra's are a better fit with the RC C2. Especially if you want to make it even easier to butter. The new Force could work too. Especially if you want to stiffen up the ride a touch and get more response. So go with what appeals to you more as there is no wrong answer.
Which Union binding for 2024 Salomon Assassin Pro?
Something damp. That Assasin Pro is a cranky chattery board in anything but good conditions. Go Atlas, Falcor, Strata or Ultra.
I love how they feel and ride, but there are a couple of dissapointments for me. The baseplate on the large classic is borderline too small for my 156 wide board. Also the heelstrap on my front foot has loosened many times when i have had hard landings. And last, but not least, the heelstrap broke in two just be me trying to counterrotate a bs 3. So a good binding, but far from perfect
Thanks for your take. What is the make/model board you have and what size boots do you have?
Guys please help me boots US14 will be Union Force Classic 2024 fit perfectly?
You need XL and not L. I think they only make XL in the reg force but only go XL with 14s.
@@thegoodridesnow thanks for reply any doff brand bindings you recommend who do XL?
The new Union Force XL are some of the best fitting bindings for people with feet your size. Hit me here if you want to get into it more and make sure your whole set up is dialed. shop.thegoodride.com/merchandise/gear-advice/
For capita doa???which is better choice???
Really depends on you. I think the New Force and the Strata are a great choice with the DOA.
Οκ and the force classic???
yeah those work too. It really comes down to personal preference between Force Classic and New Force. I say go new though.
Will these be good for my Rome Service Dog 2024? Id be using it for pow/trees/freeride
Yes they are a great fit and should turn it pretty well.