THE D-FILES CH. 1: THE DOWNFALL OF DISNEY & JOHN LASSETER | Film Threat
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- Today on the The D-Files, Chris Gore and Alan Ng uncover the roots of Disney's downfall, beginning with the loss of John Lasseter, former Chief Creative Officer and creative mind behind Toy Story.
Link to Alan Ng's full article: filmthreat.com/features/the-d...
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The Social Justice movement inevitably attracts a lot of bullies because it basically gives them a license to call themselves a hero for being a bully.
Call them “cancel pigs”. It’s what those bullies really are
That is an interesting take that I hadn’t thought of. Profound even.
cry bullies.
@@ceasarsaran8573 A perfect name for them.
@@MD20-20feminism does to men what they don’t like done to them.
I remember when my wife (before we were married) surprised me with tickets to a special showing of Princess Mononoke in San Francisco. John Lasseter came out and gave just a beaming introduction of Hayao Miyazaki and Studio Ghibli before the movie started. As an anime and animation fan it was just a thrill! My only brief brush with John Lasseter. I didn't get a hug but I would have been cool with it...
Well yeah you’re a dude. It’s usually women upset about being brushed up against or someone glancing at them at the gym, then women who are actually abused are taken less seriously because other women cry wolf and act like they’ve been attacked because someone very modestly hugged them or glanced in their general direction as they wore their tight booty shorts in public.
It's always struck me as peculiar that, if the allegations were so severe, Disney let him finish out his contract instead of firing him immediately.
They knew it would look worse if they didn’t.
Accusations isnt good reason to fire someone
Breach of contract could be grounds for suing Disney. It was political. It was all political.
I had thought he was fired just because of allegations
@@KeybladeMasterAndynone of the women sued either. Little strange huh
I just want to say I think calling critiques "tearing things to shreads" gives people these negative connotations about it. I'm an artist and I work with other artists and we all very casually critique each other's stuff, redline, give suggestions, give instruction etc. People need to realize this is a normal, healthy thing for artists.
When good and beloved people/managers/etc leave a company, one of the biggest losses for that company is the people who follow that leader out the door
To all who were responsible for forcing John Lasseter out of Disney...
How does it feel to be the people who destroyed Disney?
Wish he was back yet?
No, they are parasites. When they kill the host they are feeding on, they will slither up to a new host and latch on, unfortunately
I bet they don’t. These PCPs can’t admit they were wrong otherwise their egos would ahatter
They'll hire Dylan Vulvany to replace him
Let’s not kid ourselves here they really don’t care there’s too much Californian Culture in it. Why do you think they were challenging the Florida govenor for the majority of last year? Also they literally said in exposing Disney part 2 that they ask for a woman CCO and no remorse for getting John ousted.
@@KennethBlum-sl6rxIt’s a coin toss between dying from laughter and choking on my own vomit. 😂
One thing people forget is when Disney bought Pixar, the bought it from Steve Jobs (it was a public company by then but I think Jobs still held 90%+ of the stock). So I believe Jobs was the #1 Disney shareholder as a result. If Jobs were still around I wonder if he would’ve put up with all the BS?
I think Jobs would've joined Peltz's side of the proxy way.
@@SpFlash1523 Apple is one of the most "pro woke" companies on the planet ... and that was already apparent with the company culture that existed when Jobs was still around. Why do you think he would have been on Peltz's side?
You forget that A LOT has changed over the last 10 years ... and not for the better. Jobs would have just gone down the same road as his colleagues from Facebook, Twitter, Microsoft and Google.
I wonder if Jobs' wife could join in
Yes he would be, while he was whipping apple engineers for the next shitty I-whatever.
@@johnnyskinwalker4095 Jobs's widow would definitely be on the woke side at Disney.
When Lasseter left, I thought that Pete Docter would do a good job, not great but good. Man, how disappointed I've been since then.
All of the Fellowship has to promote this. Get as many eyeballs on this story. Maybe we'll finally have a final nail for Disney's coffin.
Reputations go both ways. Creators often get labeled as "difficult" and Disney has ruined their own reputation now. Good luck recruiting the best creatives now. The best talent should create and work for their opposition.
And so it begins... The start of the long-awaited D-Files.
Pixydusters shall rue/ree the day!
So entitled activists got tired of their shit work being held accountable and found a way to get rid of him?
Is it possible both things could be true at the same time? Lasseter was a tough internal critic that helped people produce their best + was a touchy creep?
It is possible, sure. But Id argue that it was way over blown on purpose and used as an excuse. @@jdesert5036
@@jdesert5036
It could be
But be not
In other words, some people will take a certain glee in twisting the harmless positivity of good faith actors, turning it against them to ruin them, precisely because they are innocent and for the purposes such filth have they are easy targets
You might not respond well to this, but another example is Michael Jackson.
@taffysaur or I might respond quite well...
That is actually a very good and starkly poignant an example.
@@raumograeywolf5477 lol, One just never knows. The propaganda was and is pushed very hard regarding Jackson.
Thank your for covering this guys. Nothing gets fixed unless things are brought to light
I liked the world a lot better when activist cartoonists were on the fringes, and making comic books like Mr. Natural, The Fabulous Fury Freak Brothers, and Fritz The Cat. Now they've completely taken over Hollywood.
What a wild world if people like Bakshi and Crumb had taken over Hollywood...
This is what Journalism used to be. Nice article Alan.
A recent survey found that six out of seven dwarves aren't Happy and one is Grumpy with the way Disney's heading.
I’ve felt this since Lassiter left, the Disney film quality took a nose dive
I'll be following this series for sure. It seems like a long time coming. I am happy these stories will be in the hands of thoughtful and fair minds too. I have more confidence in the two of you to give an account more fairly than what seems to be an increasingly bias, shill, or narrative media. This is needed.
It sounds like what Lasseter was doing by telling people what didn't work and then telling them how to fix it used to be called being a mentor. It's a proven way to pass on standards and procedures to up and coming generations. By pushing out Lasseter, they threw away their future.
It is amazing to see the classic Pixar films are under Lassiter while the newer Pixar /Disney films need to be sequels to Toys Story 5, Inside Out 2, …Disney is struggling and it is sad to see
Lasseter was also responsible for Cars 2.
Which is still better than "Brave"@@TrekBeatTK
"Can we let a woman run this place now?"
Well, that worked out great...
ROFL
It’s funny that’s all this is to some people. A legend gets kicked out and it’s not about making sure the company can continue to do what it always did great…it’s gender politics.
@@Kaweebo Nine times out of ten that I've seen a woman replace a man in a position of power there is a fundamental shift.
Your status as a male subordinate suddenly changes from being a member of a team to being a character in someone's drama.
@@jimjam51075 yep...unfairly so. There are bad men out there. There are good men out there. Same for women...having ovaries doesn't automatically make one a good person or a competent person.
Her question made her look totally weak. A man built that company. What she should have done was build her own studio and hired a woman to run it if things were as simple as man vs woman politics.
Thanks for covering the Lasseter Hug.
Being hugged is not the end of the world. Those people are weird.
I don't always like being touched either, but the sensible thing to do would be to talk to _him_ about it first, not get him fired over it. Some people are just very touchy-feely. I find it crazy that he got taken out when we know there are worse people still in the industry who are doing just fine.
@@hope-cat4894 Bingo. They should have had a serious meeting to confront him over the behavior and lay out standards of conduct if it was a problem. Assigning a 'handler' makes it seem like they were more interested in covering up the issue instead of dealing with it directly.
@@hope-cat4894yes and people only care if a dude does it and a woman complains, if a guy complained about a woman zero people would care and he’d be laughed out if the room for suggesting a woman hugging him should get the icon that built the coma only fired. Only genius behind capable men who built most of the everything we have are attacked using women and it works. Women and those who use them as weapons have taken down so many capable men at this point it’s crazy. Anytime a guy goes against the establishment suddenly accusations appear from now where like they did with Elon musk and Russel brand and so on. The more you criticize a certain group the more women suddenly start having issues with you. Vs the other way around if you actually do abuse women but you’re part of the right group you’ll be protected for decades, or if you’re a woman who abuses children like the one chick who was apart of him who abused a boy and got him addicted to drugs or a woman who abused guys like Amber heard you will also be protected as much as possible and continue to work and they’ll throw a lot of weight behind keeping you as popular as possible.
Tons of people don’t like to be touched it’s just only an issue when it’s a woman in society. If a dude tried to get a female ceo fired for that it would go no where. And this particular guy was more than ceo he was the visionary behind the place. And it’s always great to fire the visionary hence why Disney struggled for more than a decade after they lost Walt and Apple plummeted in value after they lost jobs and immediate went back up when he came back. If you don’t continue to follow their vision and principles you start to lose what makes the company what it is and that’s a lot easier to stick to when they’re there.
@@Raskolnikov70this I don’t think has to do with misconduct, I think it has to do with wanting control over companies so using any possible ammo against them. Disney is fully woke and they’ve pushed out older real animators who understand Disney for activists who don’t know what they’re doing hence the string of massive failures and the quality getting worse in every regard. They know people like Lassiter will focus on quality and creativity and they want to drop that for totally focusing on agenda.
The injustice of there’d be no Pixar without Lassiter and they’re using people against him to take from him his own creation. I feel like it’s very likely it’s women complaining about this or being told to complain because they want to get rid of anyone who would steer the commonly towards quality rather than agenda.
@@hope-cat4894 Being freaked out by being touched isn’t something most people have so it makes sense they wouldn’t know about it or assume someone feels that way; I mean tons of people probably have many other issues with tuff others do that everyone here had probably done and those things could also be used against them if they didn’t say anything and then randomly accused them of something. Women in the gym attack guys for glancing at them and I mean literally glancing not even staring so at a certain point eventually anything you do will be used against you as a guy. I think it’s why guys have started to leave gyms and anywhere else they may run into women and why those places that were once heavily supported by guys are dying. They rarely have enough women to keep making a profit in most places.
Also if someone did keep touching you they may just be forgetful. As long as it’s not an aggressive type of touching or grabbing certain areas you can’t assume it’s for nefarious reasons right off the bat unless there’s more evidence to infer that elsewhere.
Alan, excellent journalism! I can't wait for the rest of the story.
Around 2000, Neal Stephenson wrote that Disney had a reputation as a "real wicked stepmother" to work for ("In the Beginning... Was the Command Line"). They made now worse.
Great journalism
I’ve been saying for quite some time that the best articles, books, movies, and entertainment in general, is coming. We will all be blown away by the facts behind the acts. Looks like Film Threat is kicking it off. Great work!
Way too many NDAs to get anything good.
I always thought something fishy was going on with this move to get Lasseter out, glad to know the truth.
Frozen (Snow Queen) and The Emperors New Groove (Kingdom of the Sun) were legendary for years of development before Disney finally resolved story issues. Lately, all it takes to be greenlit is to check enough DEI checkboxes. Story has been replaced by pandering as entertainment has been replaced by propaganda and profits have been replaced by losses.
There is a facinating reply thread on the D-files part 2 which gave a lot of info which pushed back on some of the points which were being made in that article. It is interesting but I personally have a life and cannot help myself by going into an exavasion to figure out everything that had gone on.
Three cheers for real journalism
I would love to see this as a book as I think you would get the attention of people who don’t usually take an interest in this stuff.
This needs to be a documentary
I haven't watched movies or TV since 2006, and I don't miss it at all.
Awesome article. Looking forward to the series!!
Looking forward to the next article😊
I just realized that "D-Files" is pronounced as "Defiles," which is what Iger and the current Board of Directors are doing to Disney's legacy
The Pixar “Sweatbox” is famous for being the cutthroat daily screening for animators. Feedback that was quick, honest, and effective. Animators in interviews claimed they worked their hardest, for fear of feedback and ridicule in the Sweatbox.
When Disney started to put handlers on Lasseter due to the man's action you can say they is something going on that is more than harsh discussions or a hug...
Ok I’m going to give my experience where I work and why the CEO has to have someone with him at work events if he drinks. The last time he promised everyone a substantial raise that would put the company in financial ruin. He’s also promised trips to China and other places for the average worker and offered other expensive gifts to people.
So sometimes it’s not a me too issue but a please don’t put the company into bankruptcy.
Great job Film Threat. This is something that should have been on the front page of Variety or Hollywood Reporter.
It’s no wonder quality has gone down as no one looses their job over a poor movie but for sure can loose it if you hurt someone’s feelings.
COCO is my favourite Pixar film and I believe that John was pushed out over political toxicity, you can definetly see the decline since his departure to Skydance Animation. I'm sure all of the Pixar staff being laid off over the coming months/years will need a Lasseter hug when they get their marching orders from Disney!
I definitely don’t wanna be hugged by Mickey, Donald, Goofy nor any other Disney Character🤬👎
Since John has left Pixar has lost all it’s charm. The new movies have become so feminine when Pixar used to be more for the boys. Disney just takes everything that guys like and feminises it.
To the woman who asked if a woman could run the company, I'd ask how about she build her own company and run it. I'm as sick of the man hate as I am about woman hate.
Too bad that Lassiter just would not reel in the hugging crap because they'd have had a much harder fight to ditch him or they wouldn't have been able to.
yeah. imagine if someone reversed it and said its time a man led.
Thanks for the info guys!
18:24 I immediately knew you were gonna say COCO. Because that's the last Disney/Pixar film that was truly great. I liked Encanto (despite its obvious flaws), I liked Turning Red and even Onward. I heard Soul is good but I didn't see it. And Elemental might be fine but I didn't see it either. So there were a couple of decent movies since Coco but nothing was even close to a Pixar all-time classic.
There's a greatness to Coco that has not been achieved since then.
That’s a heck of a thumbnail. 😂😂
I have that same inclination to want to be really affectionate but I rarely ever hug anyone at all anymore because people are so sensitive about it these days.
Personal opinion, but to be fair, Pixar management (post-acquisition, pre-activist) would do the thing Chris mentions about portfolio reviews. Except this was in relation to people within the studio already, and on assignments rather than a cold review of a portfolio. And... it went both ways. It would alternate (many times with the same person, on the same exact sequence) between an overly saccharine reception of "Great! You've got it!" to a weird sort of "No, nothing is working here" a few days later. Hot and cold reception to everything a person did was a constant inconsistent. This wasn't even Lasseter either, though it probably was a studio-wide management strategy that probably came from either him or Jobs.
Pixar management and culture would also tend to have a whole series of unspoken "verbotens." So like the example of people not wanting the Lasseter hug, there would also be a whole other set of clubhouse behaviors, do's and dont's, that you were just expected to catch on the fly and gladly go along with. Personal boundaries weren't shat on, but they weren't really understood either, even if it was just "Nah, I'm not best friends with everybody on the team, but I also don't want to roast them with a post-it drawing tacked up in the hallway either." Because if you did and it wasn't the _right_ kind of roasting, especially if it was aimed at a Lifer there...
Overall it was nothing major, but like with any Steve Jobs operation when it came to "innovation," participation and attitudes about _FUN_ weren't options either. It was enough that the whole culture came across as the Office Space Hawaiian shirt day... only more enthusiastic and less defined. With employment consequences for not getting those 37 pieces of flair.
(Management wasn't also above taking one for the studio. For example, claiming that they themselves personally messed up in stalling on a production decision... when in fact the next department over stalled in exactly the same way at the same time, the head in that department also claiming "Whoops, my bad guys." When you've got a situation where people who aren't local to the NorCal area - _especially H1B's_ - were dependent on clear directions, doing a good job and not getting axed because managerial couldn't make up their minds about keeping them on, it was just needless and manipulative salt on the wound.)
Great job guys keep it up
"tell you why your idea sucks but then tell you how to make it better" isn't this what fans of SW and Marvel have been trying to do? This is how movies are made. The feedback and notes can cut deep during the filmmaking process. But yet when the final movie is released comments like "I feel this decision breaks the lore" is the last straw?
Thank you Chris
look into the 'red guard' in the Chinese cultural revolution. I suspect the academia will have something to explain.
You guys need to reach out to Tiaibi and Schellenberger. People want know WTF is happening
My male boss patted me on the back today…. Should I get him fired?
John may have guilty, and John may have been innocent, but the way he was taken out was most certainly in 1984 fashion. It's the one thing we know for sure.
As a guy I’ve always disliked Disney. In 2009 I began to hate them. And in 2012 I realized they truly are evil.
For John Lasseter to be tainted with the "Weinstein Effect" is total BS. Way to go Disney. Get rid the talent bring in the activists resuylts in all your success in 2023.
The mark of a good leader is being able to tell, honestly, you WHY you are falling short and HOW you can do better.
I’m not much of a Disney fan, but this was riveting
Imagine considering John Lasseter the creative bottle neck but look back in recent history and the sludge Disney has created.
Walt Disney Animation Studios "Untitled Animated Feature" for November 27, 2024 was not included in they're 2024 release slate. So I'm assuming it has been cancelled!
Delayed is more likely; Elio got bumped down to 2025 because of the strikes.
@@GuineaPig361 The movie was supposed to be an original feature from Suzi Yoonessi, but with both Strange World and WiSH bombing, I don't see that film getting released anytime soon. Zootopia 2 will most likely be they're next animated feature, with Frozen 3 soon after. You won't be seeing anymore original IPs from Walt Disney Animation Studios for quite sometime..
Hey Chris Gore, is that you singing the hook film threat in the opening of the video? It sounds like you. And it sounds good.
To all the good creators out there, please don't sell your properties or your works to a liberal/woke company. They'll mess them up then burn them to the ground like what Disney is doing to all these once were amazing properties.
from 2019, you Americans can't walking outside without lawyer, every American on internet now talking like a lawyer, god bless America
AS I suspected... So sad.
I don't think Disney likes perfectionists (like Lasseter) when it comes to work quality anymore. After all, employees might have to work hard and sometimes have their feelings hurt if they have to redo something. Because he's on record as hugging people, it wasn't too hard to get rid of him.
The fact that Alan had to struggle through this tells you one of two things or both. He isn't sure of the position being made or the blowback is potentially so strong that it still makes those in the industry tremble and sacrificing a potential future in it.
Whether it is true or not the convolution that has followed in the wake helps no one.
I don't think he isn't sure of the position being made, otherwise it could be construed. He was probably just trying to articulate it as best he could.
Im willing to bet that the people who complained never got a hug from john.
It sounds like Bob Iger felt threatened by John Lassiter and sent out his minions to get rid of him by any means possible. He definitely wasn’t thinking about the good of the company.
Book!?! Yes!
Even the actors mock Disney being woke. What timeline are we in???
Did my planned re-watch of _Wish_ yesterday before it leaves.
My goodness, what a nothing movie.
You had me at “climaxing”
5:55 "some people didn't take it that way" definitely a female activist
Bob is good at spending money but has no understanding of the entertainment industry because he is not creating product that customers want.
Grtting bought by Disney was the worst thing to happen to Pixar
Seymour Hersh has gotten a lot done with "unnamed sources".
Just because a person is convicted doesn't make them guilty.
Snowflakes started melting. ESG scores for the equity of loans came to bear.
If there's one thing I've learned in life, it's never trust an accusation that doesn't have solid evidence. We've seen it time and time again. Someone gets accused of something, and suddenly these poor, oppressed people come out of the woodwork saying how horrible of a person X is! And sometimes, it's true. But, even when it is true, there are always people who step forward who are lying out their asses.
NEVER trust an accusation when the only sources you can find are anonymous. Especially if it's sexual misconduct allegations. Because, sure, some people aren't going to want their names known because they feel shame. I get that. But there should still be some people who say "Hey. My name is X. This person abused me and others on this day at this place in this way, and here's the proof of it."
In todays day and age, where every phone is a camera and video recorder, almost all computer activity can be logged and discovered, and quality hidden cameras can be bought for $20 off Amazon (I know. I've done it), there is no excuse to not get clear evidence of any injustice. NEVER trust blind accusations.
We're is the link to 5he transcript?
Hey chris , just got a chance to watch ATTACK OF THE DOC. Excellent retrospective of the show and brought back lots of good memories .great work chris.
Alan did an amazing job of running through the timeline of Lassiter's firing great job guys I love this channel. I've known this for a long time it's when the Golden Age of Disney's animation ended. I am a touring musician I travel all over the US and on my tour bus and when I have down time I listen to you guys I don't really like Chris on Friday Night tights that's a lot of fart smelling going on. Chris is and Alan are so knowledgeable of indie films and just films in general. Those guys well, they are what they are but I feel that film threat is very informative and intelligent and rational. Your channel has great commentaries on different films and awesome Early Access to indie films I really enjoy this channel. You guys are just way more down-to-earth and rational about your reviews and you know Friday night tights doesn't seem to like anything LOL but there's a lot of good films out there that are worth watching and I think are fabulous so keep up the good work guys PS I've watched Chris ever since the G4 days I'm 48 years old so I'm an old man LOL
Cheers to yellow flash! He’s a great stable voice to listen to
ACTIVISION = Doom
I do software code reviews. People get their feelings hurt but it has to be done.
Just been to your website manage cookies is all in Arabic script, I'm in the UK. Has it been hacked?
It’s utterly baffling how they can take a story like Secret Invasion and Moon Knight and make them so boring I mean those shows should write themselves.
We're gonna HR the humanity out of humans, yet!
So children don't get to see good animation because John liked to hug people. This is why kids don't get to live the childhood that I did.
I have to say, I've never been convinced with this narrative as its been presented. We're told that John Lasseter is just a super friendly lovable guy and nothing untoward ever happened, but its acknowledged by all that Disney had to employ handlers to follow him around at parties in case...of what, exactly? Why would a company take such an extraordinary precautionary measure unless events had convinced them that it was necessary?
Two things. The fact that this was never addressed long before his removal was abhorrent. Second, finally getting rid of him was more a political move than a moral one.
But untoward things did happen. Hugging coworkers, especially subordinates, is completely untoward.
As said above, thw real question is, why wasn’t this behaviour corrected long ago?
@@Stonehorn It wasn't corrected long ago because the default practice in Hollywood used to be that powerful men routinely had their ongoing indiscretions/abuses (delete as applicable) covered up and worked around.
Now things are better and those protections have been removed or at least lessened.
Personally I think the blame for that kind of behaviour lies with the perpetrator. In other words, you're responsible for your own actions. The person who should have corrected Lasseter's behaviour was Lasseter. Disney acted late but they did act, and eventually he got the sack, which he deserved.
Personally I find the attempts to minimise, shift blame or deflect attention away from Lasseter himself a bit distasteful and hypocritical, whether that's the oft-repeated descriptions of him as just a guy who likes to hug people (when I think we all know he's probably way more keen on hugging a hot young actress than, say, some 300lb dude), or to say its all Disney's fault for not doing something sooner.
I'm not saying Disney did everything right, but they did break with decades of established practice and say sorry but you're a gross old creep and you're fired no matter how good you are at making films.
Activist agenda aside, if a grown man requires "handlers" at party's, not sure i would choose this particular hill to make a stand.
Very true. He has to own up to his role in the matter.
And in my opinion getting silly annoying and tipsy when not working is far less awful than literally promoting division and hate. And accusations should never be used as proof. He isn't an air traffic controller. He is a creative.
THE D-FILES documentary coming soon?
14:41: And the colors are shown! Ironic that Bob Iger is in power and the other guy immediately mentions Weinstein.
It’s beginning to look a lot like Schadenfreude 🎶🎵Everywhere🎶🎵🎶You go🎵🎶🎵🎶🎵
I believe that activists wanted John out because he didn't want woke crap movies.
Who are these people glad that Lasseter was kicked out? This sounds like the groundskeeper at Yankee Stadium celebrating the trade of Babe Ruth. They better hope they can get a replacement talent because it’s pretty obvious who put up the runs when it counted.