I was watching it as you guys took it down, half way into the video and suddenly the video is not available anymore. I though you guys got gutted by the Turkish Fethullah Gulen gangs :D
5:25 The players getting charged for fighting back against attacking opposition fans who invaded the pitch to do them harm is insane. Can’t blame the club or its fans to feel hard done by the Turkish football association.
in addition to that, the game should've been called off at the 60th minute mark. none of that would've happened. trabzonspor fans were literally stopping our attacks from the left by throwing foreign objects onto the pitch 🤣
5:20 Theres a huge amount of missing context on the team walking off the pitch. It wasn't their main team on the field; they had fielded their U19 team, and the plan was to walk off regardless of the score. This action was a protest against a controversial scheduling decision. The context behind the protest is that Galatasaray typically underperforms in preseason. For instance, they recently lost 5-0 to Beşiktaş in the new Supercup. Despite Fenerbahçe being favorites, the Supercup match was unusually delayed to mid-season. The official reason given for the delay was fixture congestion due to teams participating in European qualifiers. However, after a second delay, the match was rescheduled between Fenerbahçe's two Europa Conference League quarter-final legs against Olympiakos. At this point, Galatasaray was already out of European competitions, giving them a significant rest advantage. Meanwhile, Fenerbahçe faced the risk of exhaustion and potentially compromising their European campaign. Fenerbahçe appealed to the Turkish Football Federation (TFF) for another postponement, citing the same reason of fixture congestion used previously. However, the TFF refused to delay the match again, which seemed to give Galatasaray an unfair advantage. In protest, Fenerbahçe fielded their U19 team and walked off the pitch, effectively stating, "If you want Galatasaray to win this badly, we can simply not play and let them be awarded the cup."
Damn, how heated is the rivalry between Gala and Fener usually during the match? I never really paid attention to Super Lig, but the drama during the 23/24 really caught my attention
@@sweetjasminet34 Thats the thing, normally there IS no rivalry, because Galatashit is literally incapable of playing on the same level with Fenerbahçe without their constant match fixing, lobbying and bribing(these are all documented facts btw). This has been the case for over a good part of the past 20 years.
Your post is missing a lot of context. The Supercup got delayed because it was to be played in Saudi Arabia, which was Ali Koç's idea. And when that didn't happen and the rescheduling occurred, both Gala and Fener were in Europe and they both agreed to the time as that was the only possible moment. Gala got knocked out AFTER the schedule had been arranged. And it wasn't even a tight schedule, Fener had 3 full days before the Olympiakos game, which they nevertheless lost.
@@kaantaskent3939 The initial delay of the preseason Super Cup, was not caused by Ali Koç. The decision to delay the Super Cup to midseason and play it in Saudi Arabia was also not Ali Koç's idea. Ali Koç had no "idea" about it being played in Saudi Arabia, I don't know why you are lying about Ali Koç here. You mentioned that the decision was agreed upon, but Fenerbahçe did not consent to the rescheduling of the Saudi Super Cup. This schedule was determined by TFF without input from Fenerbahçe.
Ok Mourinho moving to Turkey did not make me want to watch the Turkish league but after this video I am gonna watch the Turkish league next season. Who doesnt love a good conspiracy theory.
One more to the video, Galatasaray's coach is Okan Buruk was openly Gulenist the whole time but didn't accused by anything. He won 3 titles, 1 with Başakşehir which was openly getting support from Erdoğan himself at that time and 2 times with Galatasaray. Also I should add that Galatasaray executives are, again, openly support Erdogan and his regime while Koç family are getting blamed for not supporting. Also Trabzonspor won the league (Fb was 2nd) at the end and you know who were supporting them literally from the stands? Erdoğan's ministers lmao. They also claimed in the elections that they made Trabzonspor champion. "If Trabzon people didn't vote for us, shame on them. " they said. What a shitshow, amirite?
My friend, I am a Fenerbahçe fan and I am currently receiving psychological treatment. Our championship was stolen last year. We want to make our voices heard. UEFA remains silent on this situation...
@@omeriskenderli9704Let's don't forget Erdogan is a member of fenerbahce's congress and one of the biggest figure of gulenist move Zekeriya Öz who is a public prosecutor had played a mini football game with previous president Aziz Yıldırım, furthermore some fenerbahce players like Uğur Boral, Zafer Biryol and Bekir Irtegun and according to irtegun's declaration ertuğrul taşkıran, orhan şam, gökhan zan, uğur boral, emre belözoğlu, tuncay şanlı, zafer biryol, mehmet topal, alper potuk also had a connection with it. To make it short, those guys, fener fans, are living in an utopic abstract nonsens world and it's impossible to convince them noone does lobby to prevent or to destroy them and their club 😅
some unfortunate events happened in past but in general fenerbahce fans being drama queens and manipulating everything with this threads. Refeeres also helps fenerbahce a lot.
We Chelsea fans know how corrupt Fútbol can be, we got robbed in 2012 by a now convicted Barka team that is now proven that they paid refs for bias calls, no amount of money Barka got fined will make up for that embarrassment of a game and club.
We Chelsea fans know how corrupt Fútbol can be, we got robbed in 2012 by a now convicted Barka team that is now proven that they paid refs for bias calls, no amount of money Barka got fined will make up for that embarrassment of a game and club.
Forza Jose! Started following Roma (and currently still do) because of Mourinho. Now I’m hooked onto Fenerbahce for the same reason. The Special One has a charisma and passion that is rare.
And all of his right hand men were playing football every sunday at Fenerbahce's training pitch from 2007 to 2011. Together with general attorneys and Fenerbahce board members. We have full videos of those.
@OneCash Not true. Three gulenists became members of the Club (you can do it by simply paying money) and visited in 2009 the president aziz yildirim to get him to give a position in the club board to a gulenist. In the weeks before they even made these "marketing" visits to 6 other clubs in the super lig to make same propositions. Aziz yildirim declined, and 2 years later in 2011, one of the visitors became the prosecutor against Fenerbahce in the match-fixing plot, to get his revenge of being humiliated by Aziz Yildirim. We all know how it ended, with the prosecutor Zekeriya Öz fleeing to Germany.
@@NoMouthNoScream which club did he save lol he was always on financially dominant teams who had dominant history. At the very least he aint done nuthing in 11 years outside of a mere inter toto cup.
A great example of a conspiracy theory against Fenerbahçe happened in 2012 in championship match against Galatasaray in. Playing in home soil, Fenerbahçe needed to win but ended with 0-0 thus making Galatasaray the champion. After the match ended, nothing bad happened at first: Gala players celebrating and Fener fans either crying or applausing the players. But the police, which was mostly under Gülen control, attacked the fans for no reason and many people in the stadium, including children, got teargased, causing huge events inside and outside of the stadium. And remember, this was happening one year after Aziz Yıldırım got arrested for match fixing allegations (who was still in prison at that time).
4 out of 11 board members under Yildirim were also arrested at various points for affiliating with Gulen's organization. Any opinion on that? Like, do you really believe that this "deep state" was just full of Fener haters? You people seem to be going crazy after trophyless 10 years..
I live next to the fenerbahce stadium. Born and raised in kadikoy. After the game fenerbahce fans rioted. They first burned seats in their stadium. Then they trashed the streets burned garbage cans smashed windows attacked police etc. I remember even a week after the game streets around my house were littered with broken glass. But of course like every time it was everybody elses fault that fener fans rioted.
@@echarts3710 yeah like Fenerbahçe fans are mature enough to see their rivals win the title at Fenerbahçe. You must remember that was far from the first time Fener fans burned their stadium, can't blame all of them onn Gülen lol soon your fans will blame gulen for having constipation in the morning
For anyone wondering, here's a summary of the conspiracy with the addings of the left unchecked by Tifo. - 2011 match-fixing scandal, accusing Fenerbahce, Besiktas, Trabzonspor, big 3 of the 4 leaving Galatasaray, all having their respective trials which in time only focuses on Fenerbahce, as stated in the video. To note, in 2011, Galatasaray finished 13th, was in shambles, Fenerbahce was so dominant, it was 3rd title in 4 year, the squad was x2 valuable than Galatasaray. The Gulenist Prosecutor who accused Fenerbahce of match-fixing was none other than Zekeriya OZ, who is also a Galatasaray congressment with the licence number of 15286. -2015: team bus shot just when it was crossing a viaduct. The bullets were all on the driver's side, driver had a scratch. The plan was obviously shoot the driver dead so bus would fell of the viaduct to assassinate all fenerbahçe players. The conspiracy part is: When fenerbahce asked league to be suspended considering the effects of near-death experience this would have upon all team, federation said "If Fenerbahce doesnt come to the pitch, they would face the consequences" Note that, if this was just another angry fan, or some terrorist organization, government would've discovered the perpetrators. But somehow, they are still unknown... -2019 season, Fenerbahce in title race with Trabzonspor with only 1 points behind in 19th week where they face each other. From this point onward, for 7 matches Fenerbahce faced severe Referee mistakes, being awarded 3 red cards in those 7. While achieving 37 points in 18 week, in those 7, Fenerbahce only achieved 3 points. When Fenerbahce was close to beat his title rival somethings changed in the refereeing side, and fenerbahce got 3 points in 7 matches miraculously. -2022 season, Fenerbahce was ahead 5 points of his Rival Galatasaray, when they faced Trabzonspor(yeah again, it starts with them), Fenerbahce was again awarded an uncalled Red card and went on to lose the match, the next match against Giresunspor Fenerbahce awarded another red card. Both reds considered to be scandalous by all football authorities country-wide. Losing both matches let Galatasaray get ahead, after that Trabzonspor Fenerbahce match, Galatasaray got 14 consecutive wins, many disputed for major refereeing mistakes in favour of Galatasaray. To give an example, in a sivasspor away match, Sivasspors goal that were to put them front was disallowed because VAR referee though it was "offside-ish", checked for almost whole 5 mins only to disallow the goal for an offside which in refereeing notes considered to be not offside later on. That referee got suspended big time, but what's done is done. Which is also the event that added the term offside-ish into turkish football literature. To add, another referee quit his job in this season, releasing an official statement, stating he got bad notes, and suspended for making decisions in favour of Fenerbahce, that he was under so much pressure and he couldnt take it anymore. -2023 season, the most dirty of all. Several major refereeing scandals in favour of Galatasaray, and against Fenerbahce. I know these refeering mistakes seem very abstract when you dont know the context, and subjective, that im biased and these were not really mistakes at all but feel free to watch Galatasaray vs. Antalyaspor to get a feeling of what im talking about. The Referee Consultant of Turkish Football Federation, Hugh Dallas, had conferance with Refeeres and asked about this match, on why the referee gave penalty in favour of Galatasaray in certain position. Referee admitted it was a cheap penalty to give, that it was a huge mistake on his part. But again, whats done is done. There are many matches in this season where major refeering mistakes(Suspiciously almost all in favour of Galatasaray) happened. But aside all those, one incident stand out as well, the Trabzonspor match(Again and again...) where Fenerbahce players left to lynch by mob by public authorities. You see, stadiums normally have police protection, but somehow in this match, they decided they didnt need a huge police support and some Fenerbahce players faced even death considering two of the fans had sharp objects like knives... Another big point to note, Fenerbahce and Galatasaray had 13.6 and 13.8 fouls per match respectively. Almost same number of fauls. But Galatasaray got awarded with 64 yellow and 1 red(Lowest number of cards given amongst whole teams), while fenerbahce got 84 yellow and 4 red(5th most number of cards given out of 20 teams). This might have been coincidance, but given the huge difference in numbers, and the quality of fouls and cards given, it's hard to believe so. Another point, Fenerbahce had a legendary squad this season, almost beating the Conferance cup winner olympiacos but losing in penalties in quarter final, they acheieved 99 points in league. BUT, Galatasaray's "more-legendary" team got 102 points. Interestingly though, they got knoced out from UCL groups by copenhagen, and europa league by 4-2 loss against Sparta Praha. While also losing to fenerbahce 1-0 in their home turf, with 1 man up for 80 mins. Another scandalous red card against Fenerbahce, but this time didnt affect the score. Legandary Galatasaray team went on to have a historical defeat against against Besiktas 5-0, 2 days ago, same team, vs. almost same Besiktas team with 2 addons that finished season 50 points behind them. Somethings dont add up on all these, but you figure. To add something to Riyadh crisis, Turkish Football Federation President blamed Fenerbahce president Ali KOC for this incident, while it was their fault not to communicate the conditions Saudis proposed to teams, considering it was not just Fenerbahce who didnt come up to pitch, but Galatasaray also. But somehow, TFF's (bylocked)President went to Erdogan to say it was all Ali KOC... Believe me this is a very very shallow summary of whats going on here. From 2011 onward, referee bias against Fenerbahce is real. And to add couple of notes to understand the situation in Turkey: Galatasaray's legendary players Hakan Sukur, Arif Erdem are famous Gulenists, having a video of them with the head of Gulenists, Fetullah Gulen, where they talk about how they can lift Galatasaray up, and Fetullah Gulen says "With our prayers and our protection, we must lift Galatasaray up" years later, Gulenist match-fixing conspiracy happens when Galatasaray was at its low and Fenerbahce at its best. From that point onward Fenerbahce is always bashed when they are close to getting title. Another note on refeering mistakes, the TFF President for years where Fenerbahce got this behaviours was a guy who used Gulenists' private communication app called bylock. He had this program in both of his phones, but denied any involvement with them, claiming it was his assistant who installed the programs. He somehow not got into trial at all, instead awarded with presidency just like all other Gulenists where they got to big places in government. And on Mourinho move, we have a famous saying amongst Fenerbahce fans for the last decade, "Even Mou wouldnt have made it". Which most of us certainly believe in this dirty league. But mourinho moves purpose, i think, is, that he is a big mouther, and when they start doing what they have done to previous coaches, the unfairness and the bashing, he will advertise all the wrongdoings throughout the world, the conspiracy wouldnt be a local legend but a worldwide talking point after mourinho got faced with all these dirtiness. He is simply a wild card, a bold move from Ali KOC to see if the shadowy organization would dare to keep doing what they've beeing doing in the threat of Mou's brand expose it all to the world. So in summary, Galatasaray is a club who HAD close ties to terrorists Organization. They got lifted up at many of their lows, while Fenerbahce got bashed at their peaks. To note, Gulenists are not fully removed of authority in goverment, even last month operations resulted with many Gulenists arresments. So Gulenists are still alive, and Fenerbahce is still suffering from this. It's a bit of a wall of text, hard to read probably. But it's a small insight to understand what the conspiracy is, and at very least, how a Fenerbahce fan sees things even if you think all of this is a bs. Cheers to all who managed to read through all!
turkey futbol needs a documentary, i would not know that a conspiracy even existed if it werent for youtube man. this is wild and I will be watching turkish games all season, any good websites?
You forgot 1) effects of team bus shot. Team standing before and after. How this incident changed the fate of the championship. How players ran out after the season ended…. 2) gulen openly supporting galatasaray… 3) president (not fenerbahce president) openly stating that he is not supporting fenerbahce anymore whereas he was openly statibg that he was a fenerbahce fan long before…
All of Gulen's right hand men were Fener fans. Zekeriya Öz was made a club member by Aziz Yildirim himself. If you wanna be truthful, tell the full story. Your president invited these people into your club.
@@OneCash Zekeriya OZ is galatasaray club member with the licence number of 15286, just like other heads of Gulenist Terorist Organization Hakan Sukur and Arif Erdem. You know the terrorists you refused to expel from your club membership.(Till their fee was due ofc)
As a Fenerbahce supporter i wanna thank u for making video about my team and what we lived all those years. I hope this season we will break the chain.
There is a conspiracy against Fenerbahçe. Officials received 4,000 years in prison, costing the club two Champions League appearances and many foreign players. This has had a lasting impact. Fetullah Gülen made a public statement on that they assisted Galatasaray with "prayers".
@5:46 Fenerbahce "23000 members voted to stay" : incorrect. I was there there was no voting held to stay or not. This is my opinion, if it was voted, result would have been to withdraw. Simple proof would be if people would have showed up for the assembly. That case there couldn't be any voting due to not enough numbers.
watch fenerbahce - galatasaray match in the 37. week of 23-24. look at all fouls made to torreira none of them are fouls; they cost us a goal and a player.
Gulen is a known Galatasaray fan( there is footage of him saying it). Many of Galatasaray ex players and their head coach Okan Buruk have been spotted in Gülens gatherings in multiple occasions.
To add a note: One of the heads of Gulenist movement, known terrorist Hakan Sukur was never expelled from Galatasaray club membership, till he stopped paying his membership fee. They openly rejected the expulsion of a known terrorist. Thats how closely tied Galatasaray is to Gulenists(And their allies but thats a topic for couple of years into the future)
@@genco9469 There is no proof of what you are saying. Ali Koç has never been involved in any controversy regarding funding FETÖ nor has been prosecuted while multiple Gala ex-players and fans fled the country, currently living in exile 🥱
@@genco9469 Ali koc has no company, his father has where he has a seat in executive departmen. His father is besiktas fan and i couldnt care less what he did. What we all know is, Ali koc is hated by Erdogan because he helped the protestors in big gezi park protest. He is known kemalist and openly critisizes islamist government whilr Galatasaray president was just months ago letting islamists smack his cheeks(literally, there is photo of this)
Additionally, the Turkish Football Federation (TFF) decided not to count championships before 1959. This decision significantly disadvantages Fenerbahçe, which has 9 championships before 1959, while Galatasaray has only 1. This would make Fenerbahçe's total 28 and Galatasaray's 25, giving Fenerbahçe a substantial financial advantage. The number of championships determines the share of prize money, sponsorships, and viewership revenue. By excluding pre-1959 championships, the totals are now Fenerbahçe 19 and Galatasaray 24, giving Galatasaray the advantage. The TFF's arguments for this decision are: 1. The league's name changed from republican League to Turkish 1st League in 1959. 2. The TFF joined UEFA. 3. Before 1959, most clubs were from Istanbul, making it more regional than national. However, this reasoning is flawed because: 1. The league's name changed again in the 80s to Turkish Super League and recently to Trendyol Super League. They didn't restart counting then, so why in 1959? 2. Most countries count championships from before their affiliation with UEFA or even FIFA. Some even recognize titles from before their national football associations existed, like England. 3. Before 1959, some seasons had more clubs from different cities than now. Today, most Super Lig clubs are from Istanbul, Ankara, or Izmir.
Man what a stupid comment... You are willfully leaving out the fact, that you had more than one champion in the time before the national league and that the championships consisted of at Most 5 or so teams.
There were no national competitions before 1957, this is misinformation. All the football competitions were regional for example most of Fenerbahçes so called titles came from city league of Istanbul
@@turc9808 in the past travelling wasn't so easy. Since turkey is a very big country, playing a match in a different city every week simply wasn't possible. In a when aviation wasn't mainstream, traveling by bus would take days to reach the destination. So for logistical reasons football was divided in regions. The regional champions then competed with each other, and the winner was crowned national champion. Turkey is no exception, this was normal in most countries in the early years of football. This doesn't mean there is no national champion, nor that the championship is devaluated. In england, where football is born, they even count the championships before the national football federation was founded. These were often regional leagues. Most teams weren't even football clubs, but universities. Those universities even introduced some football rules we even have today, like the offside rule. Devaluating the contributions of early football is wrong! The should be recognition for all football players and their achievements, even if it's really old.
@@kubilaytuncer3723 wrong again, none of the so called "national championships" were participated by all or even most of the regional champions. For example many izmir and black sea teams who were among the best at the time could not participate in the tournaments Fenerbahçe claims to have won. You cannot call yourself a national champion if you are not competing against the top teams in the nation. Call yourself a city champion if you wish. England is a terrible example because before premier league they had first division which were national leagues contested by the top teams, naming it premier league was nothing but rebranding, similar to Turkey moving from 1. Lig to super lig in 2000s. I know Fenerbahçe is jealous of Galatasaray's recent success and desperate to match it but this is not the way to do it, there is a reason Fenerbahçe has not brought up this issue until Galatasaray passed them in number of titles. Manage your team better, titles might come.
Great effort and well-made video. Although there are some minor issues, as a Fenerbahce fan, old pro. athlete and a resident of Fenerbahce in Istanbul, I have experienced most of the events... This is a good summary for everyone interested!
As a Fenerbahçe fan all I would like to say is, thank you. I find that sometimes its difficult to really explain the things that keep happening in Turkey to my European friends. I pray for a world where politics don't influence sports.
Thank you @Tifo for sharing this very well researched story. The whole world should know, what's been going on in Turkish football. As a Fenerbahce fan, they took away my love for football in the last 20 years. But I will always continue to back my team against this corrupt system!
the only misinformation here is the super cup final cancellation reason. The Saudis were ok with the national anthem, but not ok with Ataturk themed shirts and banners.
Cool explanation except one mistake; Fenerbahce didn't win first championship on 1959, it was 1911-12 season. Just to adjust all 3 İstanbul clubs' championships to make it look more fair(?!?), turkey's football federation didn't count championships between 1924-1959 coz Fenerbahce did have most championships during that period. Fenerbahçe's true championship count is 28.
@@oguzhan9424 All leagues at that time were affiliated to the TFF, which was a member of FIFA. Please don't try to discredit the reputation of those matches. The same rules applied in Turkey as in England, Germany, Italy.
@@sametayaz4891 Leagues with 7 teams, multiple competitions stating that they are the first division, no one rule for all. And you claim that Fenerbahce has won everything during that period… good luck mate!
@@oguzhan9424 There were conferederations like İstanbul, İzmir and Ankara. Their winners were competing for Turkey Championship. Then, Milli Küme was founded. Milli Küme and Super Lig share literally teams. And we beat the sh*t out of you. Thats why you do not accepts those championships. If "orange-red loser high school team" won any trophy, they would apply TFF before Fenerbahçe. Best of luck "mate".
As a Fenerbahçe fan since birth and for the past 20+ years I can say that in all the coaches we had over the years other than 1-2 names Mourinho is the one that fits the most to the Fenerbahçe ideology and Fenerbahçe community and society as a whole. I believe with him we will achieve great things.
FETO head Gulen himself said in an old video "Fenerbahçe is tough, they resist" admitting they couldn't infiltrate into Fenerbahçe. The politicians backed other clubs openly and even the referees admitted after retiring. And you will learn even more if you dig what the previous president of the Turkish Football Association did against Fenerbahçe The system is crooked and should be investigated by FIFA and UEFA. They should do it without any direct political influence from Turkey. If you want to understand if all these are true or not, simply look at the sales of all the clubs in the league. Only Fenerbahçe managed to sell players who will still be successful after leaving the Super Lig. Players sold by other teams aren't able to perform well outside of Turkey.
@@emirfriedzaha bir gün belgeseli yapıldığında izlersin. Hangi takımlı olduğunu bile sormuyorum :) tek temennim bu bilinçli kötülükleri yapanların ölmeden hüküm giymeleri. Ama senin bu yorumu yapma sebebin de adaletin sağlanmayacağına olan güvenin. Neyse roblox protestosuna git hadi
The motive behind the Feto animosty against Fenerbahçe is that the leader of organization is an ardent Galatasaray fan.Another factor contributing to this conflict is Feto's aim to destroy modern Türkiye Republic which is the indispensible principle of Fenerbahçe.
@@emreoyman3834 Emre are you stupid or dishonest? Tell me if you legitimately believe that the government has supported Fenerbahce one bit in the past 10 years
@@emreoyman3834 Erdogan doesn't care about football and fenerbahçe's president is against Erdogan contrary to galatasaray's president who caresses the cheeks of Erdogan's men
It's all because where Fenerbahçe is located in Turkey (Kadıköy) district in İstanbul, is the most secular population. People in the area are not religious nor supporters of Erdoğan. So it's not just FETÖ but Erdoğan's party (AKP) who has been against Fenerbahçe during the last 20 years. Fenerbahçe has 35 million fans in the country, in which most are Atatürk supporters and supporters of modern Turkey with secular traditions. Turkish Football Federation in Turkey formed in 1923 and in 1924 the first national league started. Gūlenist (FETÖ) supporters who were leading the football federation in 2000 who were also Galatasaray board members changed the leagues history (format) where they decided to wipe the league history from 1924 to 1959. They done this because they said "We should only count the "Super League titles" and not the previous league titles which was played prior to the super league. This is like the english FA saying we will only count the premier league titles and achievements and not record previous years. Why did they do that, because Fenerbahçe was by far the most sucessful club and they wanted to equal out the achievements to gather a larger Galatasaray fan base. Why? Because they were in control of Galatasaray and were scared that Fenerbahçe's secular fan base will have influence in government elections. They were scared that Fenerbahçe will finish them off. Well guess what happened in 2011. They tried finishing off Fenerbahçe by accusing them of match fixing. With zero evidence they jailed the Fenerbahçe president and board members. More than 2 million fans went onto the streets of İstanbul and protested. They could not control the people and decided to withdraw their corrupt politics. And guess what happened after? They blamed it all on FETÖ organisation, their own allies. Fenerbahçe fans were the first people in the country to stand up against FETÖ. Now with every corrupt politics they are involved in, they quickly blame FETÖ. Fenerbahçe is not just a football clubz but a culture. They are by far biggest sports club (not just football) in the country with the most league titles even today. They send the most athletes to the olympics every term. I am honored to be a Fenerbahçe fan. I hope this teaches the foreign football fans some true facts about Turkey and Football.
As a Fenerbahçe fan, unfortunately we have suffered a lot of injustice, especially the bus was shot, our players wanted to leave the team and we suffered a lot of material and moral damage, both uefa revenues and sponsorships etc. We lost all of them and even the culprit of those events was not found, unfortunately there is still no justice in Turkish football and the current federation president is the former president of Trabzon. And while these events were happening, the team that benefited the most from these events was Galatasaray, which made us enemies with every team and made us bad with the state, but it's okay for them, but let me give you an interesting statistic, for the last 6 seasons, we saw 1 red card every year in the matches we played with Trabzon, this year Galatasaray saw 3 red cards in 14 matches in Europe. In our league 1 red cards were seen in 38 matches while in our league only 1 red card was seen and it was given at the end of 90+4 matches, unfortunately the referees and the federation see us not as a Turkish team but as a Greek or foreign team, as if we are not the team of this land.
i need to add couple of VERY CRITIC things as turkish local. ex Galatasaray icon football players were gulenist and openly member of his cult (you can find lots of videos with galatasaray players with fetullah gülen) for example Galatasaray's legendary striker Hakan Şükür, he is also exiled in USA. So Galatasaray is their tool to spread their ideology and for the Galatasaray getting benefits of being protected by them, symbiotic relationship.. but anyway thanks for recognition. it's waaaay deeper than in the video hope someone could make it longer video about situation... and a small note for the foreign people; just check Fenerbahçe's men&women basketball, volleyball teams international success and Fenerbahçe's olympic medals. besides football Fenerbahçe is on same level with Barcelona and Real Madrid and ask yourself why not in the football
gulen’s terrorist organisation has openly supported galatasaray. They even have video tapes having meetings with the former galata players and gulen itself has a video tape saying that it is difficult to “conquer” Fenerbahce from inside. Those things are not conspiracy theories but the truth with the proves.
In the 100th year of Fenerbahçe Club, the bid to enter the Guinness World Records with the 1134 cups, medals and awards won in official sports competitions as a team and individually with 9 branches within the club was deemed appropriate by the "Guinness World Records Management Team". In addition, Fenerbahçe is in the league with 28 championships, not 19. It is one of the biggest sports clubs in the world, the sports club that sends the most athletes to the Olympics.
I invite you to the Fenerbahçe museum, basketball, football, volleyball, athletics, boxing, rowing, tennis, swimming, sailing, table tennis and many disciplines that I have forgotten the names of. This comment does not belong to me Recently, FIFA introduced Fenerbahçe as the biggest sports club in the world. @@idkwhattonameopentosugge-ng6cm
They just had 99 points last season. What kind of conspiracy is this then? They were awarded the most Pen's by far and the most controversial goals by far. If there's a conspiracy, it's directly from God. He just don't like their team like that.
As a fenerbahçe fan here, i am genuinely thanking you for this video. When i try to explain the story to my foreign friends, they naturally and rightfully get so confused because footbal is just football in their countries. After all the story is also quite intricate too. You put it so simply and objectively. Thanks once again. I am sending them this video by saying "you remember when i told about why we seem to not be champions for this long?" This will do it. Shame on those who doesn't take off their nasty hands from such a great club. As a fan, (altho nobody asked) i personally think that we shd not even care the league anymore. Shall we not play? No but we can think of it as a training ground. As Fenerbahçe, we shd make people ask "why does the team with yellow and red win the league trophy but scouts of big clubs run after the talents in Fenerbahçe all the time?" Sometimes you convey your concern with softpower. The achievements and the players sold to the big clubs with delicious transfer fees shall tell the whole story. Lately we are doing this by selling our good players and bringing new ones systematically. However, maybe we should put our resources in more fair grounds like European Organizations
5:20 Federation refused to postpone the date for the Supercup which was between the two legs of the European Conference Cup quarter final. It was totally doable on a different date. Fenerbahçe decided to protest by fielding U19 team and withdraw them after a minute regardless of the opponent scoring. Why didn't they just not show up? You may ask. It would have brought many legal obligations and penalties, so this was the least 'expensive' way. The initial date for the match was actually around this time last year. It was postponed because Galatasaray wasn't ready, specifically Icardi wasn't ready. They did this to avoid exactly what happened to Galatasaray few days ago when Supercup was played on time. A historic defeat.
Small correction or rather addition: the players haven't really walked off the pitch because of a goal. The federation refused to postpone the match when fener had a europe match. The president said if they don't postpone it which they had done for Galatasaray previously, then we will not play. The u19 team went onto the pitch just after they already had a match. Gs scored and fb u19 went off the pitch.
@@Kxray1 small correction of your propaganda The date was agreed at the time of the original postponement. At that point both sides agreed to the date and both sides were still in Europe. FB also took their u19 team to Riyadh because they were going to pull the same stunt there
Fenerbahce was the most succesful team until FETO supported Galatasaray. We call them Fetosaray because Fethullah Gulen himself supported them and their legends are all connected to FETO.. Hakan Sukur, Arif Erdem, Okan Buruk and etc. Thanks for the video, lack of very crucial points but it is okay.
Exactly In fact, you can see fetullah gulen disguised as hakan sukur in the final game of uefa cup in year 2000. If you look really carefully, you can actually see that it was gulen playing as hakan sukur.
good video but lack of information about Fenerbahçe withdrawing the field. Those were U-19 players on the pitch and they were going to leave the pitch as soon as the ball went out, galatasaray players scored a goal despite playing against a u-19 team who already played a game that day and traveled without even showering first with a plane ride for 2 hours and came to the stadium directly. sad scenes really, disgraceful!
It's a good article, but there is missing information in it. Let me complete. Before kick-off, Galatasaray player Kerem Aktürkoğlu told the Fenerbahçe U19 team captain to relax, not to put pressure to win the ball, and that they would throw the ball into the throw-in for the Fenerbahçe U19 team to leave the field. But that was not the case, Galatasaray started to attack by playing with the ball at the kick-off, deceived the tired U19 children who came to the match to protest, and on top of that, they shamelessly celebrated madly on the field.
@@barbarosbozkurt3282 to add to that he shouldve mentioned the former galatasaray president and crucial players of galatasaray have video tapes with fethullah gülen including their current manager and that fethullah openly supports galatasaray
Where were the Atatürk shirts in Urfa? Where were the banners? Not even one? That's disgraceful.. Most pretentious team in the world by a country mile.
As a Fenerbahçe fan, I am happy that the difficulties we experienced were reported by a foreign source. As Fenerbahçe, we believe that one day justice will return!
Many claim that the allegations of match-fixing are untrue, but that is entirely incorrect. There is concrete evidence, including recorded phone calls. Additionally, consider how many trophies fener has won since the military coup-that alone should indicate who collaborated with them.
You forgot to mention that UEFA winner squad of galatasaray was Gulenist as well and Hakan Sukur top player of turkey at that time is living in the USA right now. One of the confessions he made; "We won the uefa cup and other with the help of Gülen".
Started this thinking it's typical football fan tribalism intertwined with conspiracy theories, but seems like Fener have been hard done by. Saying that, I'd be interested to hear the other side to it all, though i doubt it'd be as convincing.
Other side is just calling Fenerbahce fans paranoid and their presidents to "Lying to you to take the pressure off off himself to mask his incompetence and more on conspiracies". They are just straight up trying to gaslight fener fans into believing all of this is just a series of coincidences and decade long no title run is just our fault. While fenerbahce normally had a championship every other year if not 1 in 3. Its now 10 to 0 "organically"
So listen to me mate. I wasn't even born when Gülen had an important part in our country and after making some research I found out that most part of the population was relevant with him and his "organization" The main reason that Fenerbahçe fans call Galatasaray "Gülen's Team" is our 2 old players (Hakan Şükür and Arif Erdem) who played for the team back in 2000 when we beat Arsenal to win Europa League and beat Real Madrid to win the Super Cup. Those were the most important achievents in Turkish Football history. Years later, everyone (every rival team) learned that Hakan and Arif were also relevant with FETÖ (Gülen's organization) and started to insult Galatasaray about that. But the main problem is Galatasaray is not the only team who had players relevant with Gülen back in time. Fener also had players like Enes Kanter, Bekir İrtegün, Uğur Boral. Additionally, Fener's current president Ali Koç is a member of Koç family. They are one of the richest and most famous families in Turkey. In 2011, when "Turkish Olimpics" (an event which was organizing by FETÖ) took place in our current stadium, Koç Holding Company was a sponsor of it. I am not denying the fact that Galatasaray was relevant with FETÖ back in time but most of the population was too. Fenerbahçe fans are always creating imaginary enemies since I was little and I think it is just about success. Their last league title was 9 years ago and before that they were really successful but now Galatasaray has 24 league titles while they have 19. I really don't want to bore you but they also say they have actually 28 titles and Turkish Football Federation doesn't count their titles before 1959. They are right but there is a reason why Federation doesnt count the titles. Before 1959 there wasn't a professional competition and Turkey didn't have single champion at the end of the seasons. Every city had their own leagues and Fener wants the Istanbul title but winning before 1959 means you are the best team in Istanbul, not Turkey. So they can't count as a Turkish League title. Even Fenerbahçe was accepting this truth until 9 years ago: Before 2014-2015 season both Gala and Fener had 19 titles and they wanted to win their 20th and gain the 4th star (Turkish Football Federation gives one star for 5 titles to clubs) and you know what happened, Fenerbahçe's official twitter account shared a tweet that says 4th star loading before season starts. Where were those titles before 1959 back in time? That tweet was deleted by their admin but you can find it if you search. I can really say lot more but I am not even sure you will read this far :) hope this would help
As a GS fan, I want Mourinho to showcase his genius, as much as I want Osimhen to showcase his talents, I hope he does not dissappoint. Better competition makes for better league.
Gulen is a big gala supporter as well. Gala has been constantly pushed by government in recent years even after Gulen fell from power in 2016. On the other hand Fener has always been restrained. If you ask why the government is against Fener, it's about their islamist view which corrupted Turkey as well as the football in recent years. They do not like Fener because of the club`s secularist ideology and members and they of couse have a big influence on the league. UEFA should surely investigate govenment's influence on football in Turkey. Turkey will get rid of that islamist politicians and the real champion of Turkey will be back sooner or later. We still have hope for a secular Turkey, where people and organisations that actually deserve become the victor.
You have not been champions since Gulen is gone. I repeat, you have not been champions since Gulen is gone. Please keep on repeating until you understand that Gulens people were helping your club more than anyone else. There is no other explanation as to why you just can't win the league since he's finished.
And what does secularism have to do with Fener explicitly? What kind of drivel is this? There is no class differences in club teams. Why are you lying to foreigners? Do you really think they believe you? Some of my people are the worst liars on the planet, unfortunately. Hiç mi utanma yok oğlum sende?
And btw what Islamist law did Erdoğan impose on you? You love to repeat 10 IQ western narratives so come on give me examples. Are women forced to hijab? Are men forced to pray? Are you forced to give Zakah? Are you forced to fast? Does anybody force you to do anything?
It's not a conspiracy theory when everything happens in plain sight. Even a 6alata5aray manager (Küknar) openly congratulated their "secret heroes in high places" for helping them win the title, which is not the first time. It's not a rivalry anymore, it's a counterstrike game: between terrorists and counterterrorists.
@@DodoMan22 There is one reality indeed. 10 years without being champions of a pretty average league and 16 (soon 17) years without playing a single game in the Champions league. Like it was not enough, look at the last 6 years with your trust-fund baby president Ali Koç. Easy to cry that the governement don't want us to be champion, but on the other hand you changed head coaches like they were socks full of holes. Phillip Cocu; Erwin Koeman ; Ersun Yanal ; Zeki Murat Göle ; Tahir Karapınar; Erol Bulut; Emre Belözoğlu; Vítor Pereira; Zeki Murat Göle; İsmail Kartal ; Jorge Jesus; İsmail Kartal; José Mourinho ... Now, i am asking you: who is living in the imaginary world? Keep believing in fairy tailes and rich kid ALi Koç. Fans of Fenerbahçe are as naive as those destitute people waiting hours to get free or cheap food and still believing that the turkish and the president are legendary. What a shame and what a disgrace
The video is missing some crucial parts, such as the lost revenues due to not participating in European competitions for two years, the club’s bond prices plummeting, and valuable foreign players leaving the team after the false "match-fixing" accusations. The team was weakened by these events and was unable to win the title, creating a kind of vicious circle. So it's more than just a “conspiracy theory.”
In Turkey, we have an Islamist government since 22 years, and Fenerbahçe is the only sport club representing itself as strong follower of Atatürk principles, democratic and secular republic. This is another reason Gulen and government party AKP against Fenerbahçe's success.
And Besiktas to be fair. They are just not what they use to be and lost their fighting spirit amidst the financial crisis and couple of boot licker aka "sayin cumhurbiskinim" presidential reigns. Bu still, even if their presidents became close to islamists, the team itself has a secular and kemalist culture in its core.
Never ever ever read more drivel in my life. Not one person in Turkey would agree that there's a class, religion, race or any difference between GS and FB fans. But what should I expect who opens up with a lie. Do you even know what Islamist means? Are you being forced to pray, or give Zakah, or fast, or read the Qur'an? Are women forced to wear hijab? Or to marry early? Nobody forces anyone to do anything in my beautiful country. But we have to be really, really careful about maniacs like you. You took a simple thing like football and made it a life or death matter, and you have no problem to base it on lies. You're exactly what Ali Koç is trying to create for the last 6 years. Now have fun in the Europa League.
Fenerbahçe is getting really successful scores in European matches yet gs supposedly champions are getting worst results and in club rankings we’re the 1st Turkish team in first 50 so this should say a lot let alone some other statistics
Here's the reality. Looking at the last 20 years, Fenerbahce is propably the most mismanaged team in the world. The influx of rich club presidents has led to some of the most unnecessary transfers you'll ever see. They have always had one goal in mind, which is to be better than Galatasaray. That in itself has always created a toxic atmosphere around the club because it's not in their control whether Gala is doing well or not. Every single season you can watch Fenerbahce falling apart around March/April, especially if Gala is doing well. It's a crazy phenomenon and it's been like that for a very long time now. They are very, very bad under pressure, and I think the fans as well as the club president are to blame for it. His political aspirations won't help the club either. Mourinho is in for a rude awakening.
Although most of what you said is correct there was some points you missed and wasn’t correct on. The Turkish Fa and league was started in 1923 which is stated on the logo. Before 1959 Fenerbahce had 8 league titles Gs had 1. In the 90s the turkish fa president haluk Ulusoy (a galatasaray board member) made a new mandate saying non of the championships before 59 would be recognised. But still gave besiktas 2 of their championships before 59. Which still doesnt make sense. Fenerbahce are still trying to have there championships recognised by fa but they are not responding because if they do respond with a no, fener have the right to take them to court which they dont want.
I know nothing of the turkish league, but i really dislike english condescendence towards corruption in other leagues, everything is seen as a conspiracy to them, their only standard is the premier league and they fail to understand how big football is politcally outside of their island
Exactly. Also corruption is an everywhere-problem. If one participant has more money than the decision makers of that league, corruption is right around the corner. Shout-out to City. In Turkeys case it's actually fener having the most money. And you can see it on a weekly basis. They'll get the funniest penalties and their opponents never finish the game with 11. Not that Gala is squeaky clean, but this video really missed the mark on Fener.
I love it how the modern use of the word conspiracy is mostly a denial of a conspiracy itself. It's as if its meaning went from being "organised plot and conjunction if forces in pursuit of an objective" to meaning "crazy suspicion that is difficult to prove and no one will ever look into it because this possibility is preposterous".
The truth is that Fenerbahce was convicted for match fixing in 2010-2011 and penalized by UEFA. They have been dropped from Champions League, and another team has played in the Champions Leauge. Funny enough government has backed up Fenerbahçe, protected them from relegation and didn't retrieve their champions title to this day. So there is no consipiracy theory but there is impudence and arrogance of being guilty.
They haven't won anything really since Gulen is finished. So yes, I believe in the theory that Gulen kept Fener alive. Without him it's been 11 years without a league title. 16 years since they heard the CL music 😂 just sad.
I want to add a couple of things: Ali Koç (current president) used to work as a board member during Aziz Yıldırım's (previous president) term, and they knew and worked with each other for a long time. Aziz Yıldırım did run Fenerbahçe for 20 years. He was also supposedly involved in the transfer of Mourinho, he made an offer right before Ali Koç, as a presidential candidate. Koç's family is the wealthiest in Türkiye. The Super Cup Final was canceled in Saudi because they did not allow posters of Atatürk (the founder of Türkiye), not the anthem. Fenerbahçe was already considering withdrawing from the league at the time, and they showed up to the replay match with their U-19 team as a protest, they had already announced that they would withdraw from the game beforehand, conceding a goal was not the reason. The shooting of the team bus was obviously done by the Trabzonspor fans. As you said in the earlier part of the video, they hate Fenerbahçe after that 2011 season. edit: Galatasaray's current manager Okan Buruk has been known as a firm follower of FETO. lol Finally, writing this comment made me realize once again, what a mess we are dealing with. Btw, I am not even a Fenerbahçe fan, so I might be wrong on some of the stuff I said. I would appreciate it if the ones who know better also share their take. :)
Been a fan of this channel for a few months. Also being a Fenerbahçe fan in the meantime, this video is perfect for my friends here in the UK, being interested in the whole ordeal but unable to keep track because of how many things have gone down. Understandable that you couldn't put everything relating to this topic in a TH-cam video (it would be over 12 hours long if you did that), but nonetheless I thank you for making this video to clear up any people who are interested but confused.
not conspiracy theories but the realities of the Turkish football. Fenerbahce is the symbol of secular Turkey which this current government can't stand. What they don't anticipate is these challenges make the club stronger in the long-term.
This video is so true. Thank for this. Fenerbahçe is biggest club in Turkey. Trust me 35 million fans do everything for Fenerbahçe. We will destroy this system. We trust our president Ali Koç, Jose and squad.. 💛💙💛💙✊🏼✊🏼
As a person who watches every Fenerbahce and Galatasaray match the accusations by Ali Koc and the Fenerbahce club is all bs. They have been losing the title every season because they are just not good enough, not because a higher power is not letting them.
No no no, youre absolutely wrong. They drew against Sivasspor and Konyaspor costing them the title because of Galatasaray conspiracy. These poor little babies dont deserve any of this 😢
Look who is talking. LOL. Check the statics first then talk buddy. Top 20 European Clubs The rankings reveal the following top clubs: Real Madrid - 371 points Manchester City - 369 points Bayer Leverkusen - 355 points Atalanta - 316 points Borussia Dortmund - 261 points Atletico Madrid - 258 points Bayern Munich - 258 points Barcelona - 256 points Arsenal - 248 points Inter - 247 points PSG - 246 points Roma - 244 points Liverpool - 240 points Sporting Lisbon - 226 points Union Saint - 225 points Milan - 224 points Olympiakos - 223.5 points Fenerbahçe - 219 points Fiorentina - 212.5 points Club Brugge - 212.25 points
We re-uploaded this because we accidentally uploaded a version without credits and backing music before!
All good mate
I was watching it as you guys took it down, half way into the video and suddenly the video is not available anymore. I though you guys got gutted by the Turkish Fethullah Gulen gangs :D
i was lost halfway the video dint load
I thought TH-cam took it down for having "conspiracy" in the title 😅
This is the real conspiracy
Exactly the atmosphere in which Mou will thrive. Chaos upon chaos, "us against them"
It's a ladder! But Jose won't last 3 years
😂😂😂
Knocked out of the UCL by Lille lol
@@dionfarrell4381 try 3 months
@@luiginastro8831 he will thrive in the Turkish league, if he manages his first couple of months OK
5:25 The players getting charged for fighting back against attacking opposition fans who invaded the pitch to do them harm is insane. Can’t blame the club or its fans to feel hard done by the Turkish football association.
This is only the tip of the iceberg bro, believe me or not.
Jose would have said that his players are not playing anymore until that decision is cancelled 😂
@@efkarinturkusua drip in the ocean
in addition to that, the game should've been called off at the 60th minute mark. none of that would've happened. trabzonspor fans were literally stopping our attacks from the left by throwing foreign objects onto the pitch 🤣
What Tifo didn't mention is that the players were the ones provoking the fans, thus the pitch invasion occured.
”Together Jose, we will f*** Galatasaray”
I burst out laughing at that intro…😂
thats how we roll
@@efeulukir9983 now have fun rolling to the Europa League 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@DionysusOsiris40 together we'll be eliminated in qualification round
@@OneCashgooooodddaaam😂😂😂😂
Hey they got that dude from Sevilla, maybe they can win the UEL
5:20 Theres a huge amount of missing context on the team walking off the pitch. It wasn't their main team on the field; they had fielded their U19 team, and the plan was to walk off regardless of the score. This action was a protest against a controversial scheduling decision.
The context behind the protest is that Galatasaray typically underperforms in preseason. For instance, they recently lost 5-0 to Beşiktaş in the new Supercup. Despite Fenerbahçe being favorites, the Supercup match was unusually delayed to mid-season.
The official reason given for the delay was fixture congestion due to teams participating in European qualifiers. However, after a second delay, the match was rescheduled between Fenerbahçe's two Europa Conference League quarter-final legs against Olympiakos. At this point, Galatasaray was already out of European competitions, giving them a significant rest advantage. Meanwhile, Fenerbahçe faced the risk of exhaustion and potentially compromising their European campaign.
Fenerbahçe appealed to the Turkish Football Federation (TFF) for another postponement, citing the same reason of fixture congestion used previously. However, the TFF refused to delay the match again, which seemed to give Galatasaray an unfair advantage. In protest, Fenerbahçe fielded their U19 team and walked off the pitch, effectively stating, "If you want Galatasaray to win this badly, we can simply not play and let them be awarded the cup."
Damn, how heated is the rivalry between Gala and Fener usually during the match? I never really paid attention to Super Lig, but the drama during the 23/24 really caught my attention
@@sweetjasminet34 Thats the thing, normally there IS no rivalry, because Galatashit is literally incapable of playing on the same level with Fenerbahçe without their constant match fixing, lobbying and bribing(these are all documented facts btw). This has been the case for over a good part of the past 20 years.
Your post is missing a lot of context. The Supercup got delayed because it was to be played in Saudi Arabia, which was Ali Koç's idea. And when that didn't happen and the rescheduling occurred, both Gala and Fener were in Europe and they both agreed to the time as that was the only possible moment. Gala got knocked out AFTER the schedule had been arranged. And it wasn't even a tight schedule, Fener had 3 full days before the Olympiakos game, which they nevertheless lost.
@@kaantaskent3939 The initial delay of the preseason Super Cup, was not caused by Ali Koç. The decision to delay the Super Cup to midseason and play it in Saudi Arabia was also not Ali Koç's idea. Ali Koç had no "idea" about it being played in Saudi Arabia, I don't know why you are lying about Ali Koç here. You mentioned that the decision was agreed upon, but Fenerbahçe did not consent to the rescheduling of the Saudi Super Cup. This schedule was determined by TFF without input from Fenerbahçe.
@@bronzejourney5784 It’s been the case since 1987.
Ok Mourinho moving to Turkey did not make me want to watch the Turkish league but after this video I am gonna watch the Turkish league next season. Who doesnt love a good conspiracy theory.
you can start by the super cup between beşiktaş and galatasaray. The jackshit that's called galatasaray got wiped 5-0 by beşiktaş :D
One more to the video, Galatasaray's coach is Okan Buruk was openly Gulenist the whole time but didn't accused by anything. He won 3 titles, 1 with Başakşehir which was openly getting support from Erdoğan himself at that time and 2 times with Galatasaray. Also I should add that Galatasaray executives are, again, openly support Erdogan and his regime while Koç family are getting blamed for not supporting. Also Trabzonspor won the league (Fb was 2nd) at the end and you know who were supporting them literally from the stands? Erdoğan's ministers lmao. They also claimed in the elections that they made Trabzonspor champion. "If Trabzon people didn't vote for us, shame on them. " they said. What a shitshow, amirite?
My friend, I am a Fenerbahçe fan and I am currently receiving psychological treatment. Our championship was stolen last year. We want to make our voices heard. UEFA remains silent on this situation...
@@omeriskenderli9704Let's don't forget Erdogan is a member of fenerbahce's congress and one of the biggest figure of gulenist move Zekeriya Öz who is a public prosecutor had played a mini football game with previous president Aziz Yıldırım, furthermore some fenerbahce players like Uğur Boral, Zafer Biryol and Bekir Irtegun and according to irtegun's declaration ertuğrul taşkıran, orhan şam, gökhan zan, uğur boral, emre belözoğlu, tuncay şanlı, zafer biryol, mehmet topal, alper potuk also had a connection with it. To make it short, those guys, fener fans, are living in an utopic abstract nonsens world and it's impossible to convince them noone does lobby to prevent or to destroy them and their club 😅
@@Enesaslan19😂😂😂😂
I will always love Jose as a Chelsea fan
Hope he brings fenerbahce success and over come the corrupt system
🤣🤣
some unfortunate events happened in past but in general fenerbahce fans being drama queens and manipulating everything with this threads. Refeeres also helps fenerbahce a lot.
We Chelsea fans know how corrupt Fútbol can be, we got robbed in 2012 by a now convicted Barka team that is now proven that they paid refs for bias calls,
no amount of money Barka got fined will make up for that embarrassment of a game and club.
We Chelsea fans know how corrupt Fútbol can be, we got robbed in 2012 by a now convicted Barka team that is now proven that they paid refs for bias calls,
no amount of money Barka got fined will make up for that embarrassment of a game and club.
I do have my popcorn ready for this Turkish season.
That made me literally not figuratively lol. I’ll be doing the same, I think!
and be the fan of fenerbahçe :) ;) support us .1
Forza Jose! Started following Roma (and currently still do) because of Mourinho. Now I’m hooked onto Fenerbahce for the same reason. The Special One has a charisma and passion that is rare.
Buckle up it’s gonna be one heck of season 😅
You forgot to include that Gulen himself openly supported Galatasaray
And all of his right hand men were playing football every sunday at Fenerbahce's training pitch from 2007 to 2011. Together with general attorneys and Fenerbahce board members. We have full videos of those.
@@OneCashyet another proof they were trying to infiltrate fenerbahce..
@@OneCash at yalanı skim inanı icazet videosu bi sizde var
And you forget much of your leaders today were also supporters of Gülen. Lol
@OneCash Not true. Three gulenists became members of the Club (you can do it by simply paying money) and visited in 2009 the president aziz yildirim to get him to give a position in the club board to a gulenist. In the weeks before they even made these "marketing" visits to 6 other clubs in the super lig to make same propositions. Aziz yildirim declined, and 2 years later in 2011, one of the visitors became the prosecutor against Fenerbahce in the match-fixing plot, to get his revenge of being humiliated by Aziz Yildirim. We all know how it ended, with the prosecutor Zekeriya Öz fleeing to Germany.
"Security caught him on his way out"😂😂😂..
Man I love Turkish football
When you need to dominate, you call Pep, when you need to save a club you call Mourinho
Yea he just saved them from getting embarassed in the CL. Good job.
@@NoMouthNoScream which club did he save lol he was always on financially dominant teams who had dominant history. At the very least he aint done nuthing in 11 years outside of a mere inter toto cup.
Pep is a sugar daddy manager
Saved em from playing ucl 👍. Comparing pep to mou is like comparing messi to dybala
Apart from Roma’s UECL cup what has Mourinho saved after leaving Chelsea??
As Beşiktaş fans, we say: We hate Fenerbahçe because we are Beşiktaş fans, we hate Galatasaray because we are human.
Cope
Puahhha iyiymis
As Galatasaray fans; we don’t think about you.
You got King Ciro now up front and you will probably win the league this season or next.
@@DannyXXXXX Yess, hopefully! He started well, you can ask the salty Gala fan above
A great example of a conspiracy theory against Fenerbahçe happened in 2012 in championship match against Galatasaray in. Playing in home soil, Fenerbahçe needed to win but ended with 0-0 thus making Galatasaray the champion. After the match ended, nothing bad happened at first: Gala players celebrating and Fener fans either crying or applausing the players. But the police, which was mostly under Gülen control, attacked the fans for no reason and many people in the stadium, including children, got teargased, causing huge events inside and outside of the stadium. And remember, this was happening one year after Aziz Yıldırım got arrested for match fixing allegations (who was still in prison at that time).
4 out of 11 board members under Yildirim were also arrested at various points for affiliating with Gulen's organization. Any opinion on that? Like, do you really believe that this "deep state" was just full of Fener haters? You people seem to be going crazy after trophyless 10 years..
I live next to the fenerbahce stadium. Born and raised in kadikoy. After the game fenerbahce fans rioted. They first burned seats in their stadium. Then they trashed the streets burned garbage cans smashed windows attacked police etc. I remember even a week after the game streets around my house were littered with broken glass. But of course like every time it was everybody elses fault that fener fans rioted.
@@echarts3710 how about mentioning the time Fenerbahce fans set their stadium on fire
@@Shortlong-b4t joined a few months ago and has no user name? Sure [ completely real human being ] sure...
@@echarts3710 yeah like Fenerbahçe fans are mature enough to see their rivals win the title at Fenerbahçe. You must remember that was far from the first time Fener fans burned their stadium, can't blame all of them onn Gülen lol
soon your fans will blame gulen for having constipation in the morning
For anyone wondering, here's a summary of the conspiracy with the addings of the left unchecked by Tifo.
- 2011 match-fixing scandal, accusing Fenerbahce, Besiktas, Trabzonspor, big 3 of the 4 leaving Galatasaray, all having their respective trials which in time only focuses on Fenerbahce, as stated in the video. To note, in 2011, Galatasaray finished 13th, was in shambles, Fenerbahce was so dominant, it was 3rd title in 4 year, the squad was x2 valuable than Galatasaray. The Gulenist Prosecutor who accused Fenerbahce of match-fixing was none other than Zekeriya OZ, who is also a Galatasaray congressment with the licence number of 15286.
-2015: team bus shot just when it was crossing a viaduct. The bullets were all on the driver's side, driver had a scratch. The plan was obviously shoot the driver dead so bus would fell of the viaduct to assassinate all fenerbahçe players. The conspiracy part is: When fenerbahce asked league to be suspended considering the effects of near-death experience this would have upon all team, federation said "If Fenerbahce doesnt come to the pitch, they would face the consequences"
Note that, if this was just another angry fan, or some terrorist organization, government would've discovered the perpetrators. But somehow, they are still unknown...
-2019 season, Fenerbahce in title race with Trabzonspor with only 1 points behind in 19th week where they face each other. From this point onward, for 7 matches Fenerbahce faced severe Referee mistakes, being awarded 3 red cards in those 7. While achieving 37 points in 18 week, in those 7, Fenerbahce only achieved 3 points. When Fenerbahce was close to beat his title rival somethings changed in the refereeing side, and fenerbahce got 3 points in 7 matches miraculously.
-2022 season, Fenerbahce was ahead 5 points of his Rival Galatasaray, when they faced Trabzonspor(yeah again, it starts with them), Fenerbahce was again awarded an uncalled Red card and went on to lose the match, the next match against Giresunspor Fenerbahce awarded another red card. Both reds considered to be scandalous by all football authorities country-wide. Losing both matches let Galatasaray get ahead, after that Trabzonspor Fenerbahce match, Galatasaray got 14 consecutive wins, many disputed for major refereeing mistakes in favour of Galatasaray. To give an example, in a sivasspor away match, Sivasspors goal that were to put them front was disallowed because VAR referee though it was "offside-ish", checked for almost whole 5 mins only to disallow the goal for an offside which in refereeing notes considered to be not offside later on. That referee got suspended big time, but what's done is done. Which is also the event that added the term offside-ish into turkish football literature. To add, another referee quit his job in this season, releasing an official statement, stating he got bad notes, and suspended for making decisions in favour of Fenerbahce, that he was under so much pressure and he couldnt take it anymore.
-2023 season, the most dirty of all. Several major refereeing scandals in favour of Galatasaray, and against Fenerbahce. I know these refeering mistakes seem very abstract when you dont know the context, and subjective, that im biased and these were not really mistakes at all but feel free to watch Galatasaray vs. Antalyaspor to get a feeling of what im talking about. The Referee Consultant of Turkish Football Federation, Hugh Dallas, had conferance with Refeeres and asked about this match, on why the referee gave penalty in favour of Galatasaray in certain position. Referee admitted it was a cheap penalty to give, that it was a huge mistake on his part. But again, whats done is done. There are many matches in this season where major refeering mistakes(Suspiciously almost all in favour of Galatasaray) happened. But aside all those, one incident stand out as well, the Trabzonspor match(Again and again...) where Fenerbahce players left to lynch by mob by public authorities. You see, stadiums normally have police protection, but somehow in this match, they decided they didnt need a huge police support and some Fenerbahce players faced even death considering two of the fans had sharp objects like knives... Another big point to note, Fenerbahce and Galatasaray had 13.6 and 13.8 fouls per match respectively. Almost same number of fauls. But Galatasaray got awarded with 64 yellow and 1 red(Lowest number of cards given amongst whole teams), while fenerbahce got 84 yellow and 4 red(5th most number of cards given out of 20 teams). This might have been coincidance, but given the huge difference in numbers, and the quality of fouls and cards given, it's hard to believe so. Another point, Fenerbahce had a legendary squad this season, almost beating the Conferance cup winner olympiacos but losing in penalties in quarter final, they acheieved 99 points in league. BUT, Galatasaray's "more-legendary" team got 102 points. Interestingly though, they got knoced out from UCL groups by copenhagen, and europa league by 4-2 loss against Sparta Praha. While also losing to fenerbahce 1-0 in their home turf, with 1 man up for 80 mins. Another scandalous red card against Fenerbahce, but this time didnt affect the score. Legandary Galatasaray team went on to have a historical defeat against against Besiktas 5-0, 2 days ago, same team, vs. almost same Besiktas team with 2 addons that finished season 50 points behind them. Somethings dont add up on all these, but you figure.
To add something to Riyadh crisis, Turkish Football Federation President blamed Fenerbahce president Ali KOC for this incident, while it was their fault not to communicate the conditions Saudis proposed to teams, considering it was not just Fenerbahce who didnt come up to pitch, but Galatasaray also. But somehow, TFF's (bylocked)President went to Erdogan to say it was all Ali KOC...
Believe me this is a very very shallow summary of whats going on here. From 2011 onward, referee bias against Fenerbahce is real. And to add couple of notes to understand the situation in Turkey: Galatasaray's legendary players Hakan Sukur, Arif Erdem are famous Gulenists, having a video of them with the head of Gulenists, Fetullah Gulen, where they talk about how they can lift Galatasaray up, and Fetullah Gulen says "With our prayers and our protection, we must lift Galatasaray up" years later, Gulenist match-fixing conspiracy happens when Galatasaray was at its low and Fenerbahce at its best. From that point onward Fenerbahce is always bashed when they are close to getting title.
Another note on refeering mistakes, the TFF President for years where Fenerbahce got this behaviours was a guy who used Gulenists' private communication app called bylock. He had this program in both of his phones, but denied any involvement with them, claiming it was his assistant who installed the programs. He somehow not got into trial at all, instead awarded with presidency just like all other Gulenists where they got to big places in government.
And on Mourinho move, we have a famous saying amongst Fenerbahce fans for the last decade, "Even Mou wouldnt have made it". Which most of us certainly believe in this dirty league. But mourinho moves purpose, i think, is, that he is a big mouther, and when they start doing what they have done to previous coaches, the unfairness and the bashing, he will advertise all the wrongdoings throughout the world, the conspiracy wouldnt be a local legend but a worldwide talking point after mourinho got faced with all these dirtiness. He is simply a wild card, a bold move from Ali KOC to see if the shadowy organization would dare to keep doing what they've beeing doing in the threat of Mou's brand expose it all to the world.
So in summary, Galatasaray is a club who HAD close ties to terrorists Organization. They got lifted up at many of their lows, while Fenerbahce got bashed at their peaks. To note, Gulenists are not fully removed of authority in goverment, even last month operations resulted with many Gulenists arresments. So Gulenists are still alive, and Fenerbahce is still suffering from this.
It's a bit of a wall of text, hard to read probably. But it's a small insight to understand what the conspiracy is, and at very least, how a Fenerbahce fan sees things even if you think all of this is a bs. Cheers to all who managed to read through all!
turkey futbol needs a documentary, i would not know that a conspiracy even existed if it werent for youtube man. this is wild and I will be watching turkish games all season, any good websites?
also i hope nobody dies from this honestly, alot of these players are playing for their families and im praying for their protection
My man... *read in Denzel Washington's voice
@@ryanm4074 The domain keeps changing because of copyrights issues but Google "Selcuksports" and you should be good.
Good Work!
You forgot
1) effects of team bus shot. Team standing before and after. How this incident changed the fate of the championship. How players ran out after the season ended….
2) gulen openly supporting galatasaray…
3) president (not fenerbahce president) openly stating that he is not supporting fenerbahce anymore whereas he was openly statibg that he was a fenerbahce fan long before…
All of Gulen's right hand men were Fener fans. Zekeriya Öz was made a club member by Aziz Yildirim himself. If you wanna be truthful, tell the full story. Your president invited these people into your club.
@@OneCash zekeriya öz hangi takıma üye diye bi google yaz bakalım gerizekalı kardeşim
@@OneCashama nasıl yanıyor götü evladımın
@@OneCash Zekeriya OZ is galatasaray club member with the licence number of 15286, just like other heads of Gulenist Terorist Organization Hakan Sukur and Arif Erdem. You know the terrorists you refused to expel from your club membership.(Till their fee was due ofc)
Lol, Zekeriya Öz, just like Gülen and Öcalan, is a Galatasaray fan and even a congress member.
As a Fenerbahce supporter i wanna thank u for making video about my team and what we lived all those years. I hope this season we will break the chain.
⭐⭐⭐⭐🎵🎵🎶🎶🎶the chaaaampiooooonsss 🎶🎶🎶🎵🎵🎵⭐⭐⭐⭐
There is a conspiracy against Fenerbahçe. Officials received 4,000 years in prison, costing the club two Champions League appearances and many foreign players. This has had a lasting impact.
Fetullah Gülen made a public statement on that they assisted Galatasaray with "prayers".
prayers and more!
@5:46 Fenerbahce "23000 members voted to stay" : incorrect.
I was there there was no voting held to stay or not.
This is my opinion, if it was voted, result would have been to withdraw.
Simple proof would be if people would have showed up for the assembly. That case there couldn't be any voting due to not enough numbers.
Assembly gave full authority to board i think.
Ali koçun kişisel şovuydu da yabancılara gelde anlat
As always, it's Mourinho against the world... Fenerbahce is the "right-est" platform
watch fenerbahce - galatasaray match in the 37. week of 23-24. look at all fouls made to torreira none of them are fouls; they cost us a goal and a player.
Gulen is a known Galatasaray fan( there is footage of him saying it). Many of Galatasaray ex players and their head coach Okan Buruk have been spotted in Gülens gatherings in multiple occasions.
To add a note: One of the heads of Gulenist movement, known terrorist Hakan Sukur was never expelled from Galatasaray club membership, till he stopped paying his membership fee. They openly rejected the expulsion of a known terrorist. Thats how closely tied Galatasaray is to Gulenists(And their allies but thats a topic for couple of years into the future)
@@mtcicero3 As a note, the company owned by Fenerbahçe President Ali Koç was Gülen's biggest source of money!
@@genco9469 There is no proof of what you are saying. Ali Koç has never been involved in any controversy regarding funding FETÖ nor has been prosecuted while multiple Gala ex-players and fans fled the country, currently living in exile 🥱
@@genco9469 Ali koc has no company, his father has where he has a seat in executive departmen. His father is besiktas fan and i couldnt care less what he did. What we all know is, Ali koc is hated by Erdogan because he helped the protestors in big gezi park protest. He is known kemalist and openly critisizes islamist government whilr Galatasaray president was just months ago letting islamists smack his cheeks(literally, there is photo of this)
@@genco9469 hahahahahahah karnından konuşma kardeşşş, kanıt göster çünkü çok komik oluyosunuz 😂
Now now then what conspiracy was behind the re-upload
Read the comment they made
Ali Koc missed some word his dog (Tifo) had to say. This video is like the orriginal Bambi movie of Disney
Additionally, the Turkish Football Federation (TFF) decided not to count championships before 1959. This decision significantly disadvantages Fenerbahçe, which has 9 championships before 1959, while Galatasaray has only 1. This would make Fenerbahçe's total 28 and Galatasaray's 25, giving Fenerbahçe a substantial financial advantage. The number of championships determines the share of prize money, sponsorships, and viewership revenue. By excluding pre-1959 championships, the totals are now Fenerbahçe 19 and Galatasaray 24, giving Galatasaray the advantage.
The TFF's arguments for this decision are:
1. The league's name changed from republican League to Turkish 1st League in 1959.
2. The TFF joined UEFA.
3. Before 1959, most clubs were from Istanbul, making it more regional than national.
However, this reasoning is flawed because:
1. The league's name changed again in the 80s to Turkish Super League and recently to Trendyol Super League. They didn't restart counting then, so why in 1959?
2. Most countries count championships from before their affiliation with UEFA or even FIFA. Some even recognize titles from before their national football associations existed, like England.
3. Before 1959, some seasons had more clubs from different cities than now. Today, most Super Lig clubs are from Istanbul, Ankara, or Izmir.
Man what a stupid comment...
You are willfully leaving out the fact, that you had more than one champion in the time before the national league and that the championships consisted of at Most 5 or so teams.
There were no national competitions before 1957, this is misinformation. All the football competitions were regional for example most of Fenerbahçes so called titles came from city league of Istanbul
@@turc9808 typical comment from Galatasaray supporter
@@turc9808 in the past travelling wasn't so easy. Since turkey is a very big country, playing a match in a different city every week simply wasn't possible. In a when aviation wasn't mainstream, traveling by bus would take days to reach the destination. So for logistical reasons football was divided in regions. The regional champions then competed with each other, and the winner was crowned national champion. Turkey is no exception, this was normal in most countries in the early years of football. This doesn't mean there is no national champion, nor that the championship is devaluated. In england, where football is born, they even count the championships before the national football federation was founded. These were often regional leagues. Most teams weren't even football clubs, but universities. Those universities even introduced some football rules we even have today, like the offside rule. Devaluating the contributions of early football is wrong! The should be recognition for all football players and their achievements, even if it's really old.
@@kubilaytuncer3723 wrong again, none of the so called "national championships" were participated by all or even most of the regional champions. For example many izmir and black sea teams who were among the best at the time could not participate in the tournaments Fenerbahçe claims to have won. You cannot call yourself a national champion if you are not competing against the top teams in the nation. Call yourself a city champion if you wish. England is a terrible example because before premier league they had first division which were national leagues contested by the top teams, naming it premier league was nothing but rebranding, similar to Turkey moving from 1. Lig to super lig in 2000s.
I know Fenerbahçe is jealous of Galatasaray's recent success and desperate to match it but this is not the way to do it, there is a reason Fenerbahçe has not brought up this issue until Galatasaray passed them in number of titles. Manage your team better, titles might come.
I went to the match at home against Pendikspor last season. Such a cool club. Kadiköy is the best part of istanbul for a tourist to stay in.
Nah. Taksim better
Either Kadikoy or Besiktas. Taksim is full of Arabs
Finally somebody made a video about this for the international audience. Thank you Tifo.
And conspiracy theories are all they are
@@89Ayten evidences say otherwise. Do not let the passion you feel for your team cloud your judgement
@@b4airEvidence? Excuse me? Like that video of all the feto people playing football with fener board members?
Great effort and well-made video. Although there are some minor issues, as a Fenerbahce fan, old pro. athlete and a resident of Fenerbahce in Istanbul, I have experienced most of the events... This is a good summary for everyone interested!
Jose. Can’t deny is is one of the best managers of all time!
Coming back to this video as Jose is being Jose. Tifo, y’all were spot on
I'm following Fenerbahce now because of Mou and this video. I watched the match against Trabzonspor and the corruption was disgusting.
As a Fenerbahçe fan all I would like to say is, thank you. I find that sometimes its difficult to really explain the things that keep happening in Turkey to my European friends. I pray for a world where politics don't influence sports.
Bein sport publishing that apology exactly at 19:05 was diabolical 😂 ifykyk
Mourinho Looks like That Turkish olympic shooter (Yusuf. Dikec)
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Who is also a Fenerbahçe fan
Amazing & well detailed work 🙌
As a fenerbahçe fan, we need to win this title this year with José 💛💙
yeah, see you in may 🤣
@@OneCashkuduruk nasıl kudurmuş her yoruma cevap vermiş hahah
Aynen öyle. Sizi kimse kollamayinca noldunu gördük Beşiktaş 5 atti kollanmayın bizde 7 atalım
@@mertduran5084sizi her yerde döt etmek kadar keyif veren birşey yok. Lille nasıl koydu ama? 16 yıldır chaaaaampions diyemediniz bee vah vah
@@fullreactionbandNe oldu?
Thank you @Tifo for sharing this very well researched story. The whole world should know, what's been going on in Turkish football. As a Fenerbahce fan, they took away my love for football in the last 20 years. But I will always continue to back my team against this corrupt system!
the only misinformation here is the super cup final cancellation reason. The Saudis were ok with the national anthem, but not ok with Ataturk themed shirts and banners.
They're trying to evade bringing up Ataturk to make it a simpler matter.
No. Fenerbahce did match fix and it is somehow given a pass here?
@@wintercapsentyfenerbahçe did not fix any matches tho
Fenerbahçe wanted that game postponed and even took their u19 team there, Atatürk issue gave them a good cover.
@@aliataciciekFenerbahçe did matchfixing stop re-writing the history
amazing video tifo. the twist in the middle caught me off guard ngl
Cool explanation except one mistake; Fenerbahce didn't win first championship on 1959, it was 1911-12 season. Just to adjust all 3 İstanbul clubs' championships to make it look more fair(?!?), turkey's football federation didn't count championships between 1924-1959 coz Fenerbahce did have most championships during that period. Fenerbahçe's true championship count is 28.
Before 1959 there was no regulations in Turkush football
@@oguzhan9424 turkey football federation established in 1924
@@oguzhan9424 All leagues at that time were affiliated to the TFF, which was a member of FIFA. Please don't try to discredit the reputation of those matches. The same rules applied in Turkey as in England, Germany, Italy.
@@sametayaz4891
Leagues with 7 teams, multiple competitions stating that they are the first division, no one rule for all. And you claim that Fenerbahce has won everything during that period… good luck mate!
@@oguzhan9424 There were conferederations like İstanbul, İzmir and Ankara. Their winners were competing for Turkey Championship. Then, Milli Küme was founded. Milli Küme and Super Lig share literally teams. And we beat the sh*t out of you. Thats why you do not accepts those championships. If "orange-red loser high school team" won any trophy, they would apply TFF before Fenerbahçe. Best of luck "mate".
As a Fenerbahçe fan since birth and for the past 20+ years I can say that in all the coaches we had over the years other than 1-2 names Mourinho is the one that fits the most to the Fenerbahçe ideology and Fenerbahçe community and society as a whole. I believe with him we will achieve great things.
FETO head Gulen himself said in an old video "Fenerbahçe is tough, they resist" admitting they couldn't infiltrate into Fenerbahçe. The politicians backed other clubs openly and even the referees admitted after retiring. And you will learn even more if you dig what the previous president of the Turkish Football Association did against Fenerbahçe
The system is crooked and should be investigated by FIFA and UEFA. They should do it without any direct political influence from Turkey.
If you want to understand if all these are true or not, simply look at the sales of all the clubs in the league. Only Fenerbahçe managed to sell players who will still be successful after leaving the Super Lig. Players sold by other teams aren't able to perform well outside of Turkey.
UEFA and FIFA are even more corrupted 😊
HAHAHAHAH NASI YIKAMIŞLAR BEYNİNİZİ AMA
@@emirfriedzaha bir gün belgeseli yapıldığında izlersin. Hangi takımlı olduğunu bile sormuyorum :) tek temennim bu bilinçli kötülükleri yapanların ölmeden hüküm giymeleri. Ama senin bu yorumu yapma sebebin de adaletin sağlanmayacağına olan güvenin. Neyse roblox protestosuna git hadi
@@europeanwar Acun is that you?
@@europeanwarbelgesele 2016 sonrası hiç şampiyon olamadığınızı da detay olarak ekleyebilir miyiz?
It was a amazing summary video. Nice job man! 💛💙
The motive behind the Feto animosty against Fenerbahçe is that the leader of organization is an ardent Galatasaray fan.Another factor contributing to this conflict is Feto's aim to destroy modern Türkiye Republic which is the indispensible principle of Fenerbahçe.
erdogan is a fenerbahçe fan. So imagine that how accurate these conspiracies are...
@@emreoyman3834 Emre are you stupid or dishonest? Tell me if you legitimately believe that the government has supported Fenerbahce one bit in the past 10 years
@@emreoyman3834 Erdogan doesn't care about football and fenerbahçe's president is against Erdogan contrary to galatasaray's president who caresses the cheeks of Erdogan's men
great video. mourinho fenerbahçe union is very exciting, we expect more fener mourinho videos in this process
It's all because where Fenerbahçe is located in Turkey (Kadıköy) district in İstanbul, is the most secular population. People in the area are not religious nor supporters of Erdoğan. So it's not just FETÖ but Erdoğan's party (AKP) who has been against Fenerbahçe during the last 20 years. Fenerbahçe has 35 million fans in the country, in which most are Atatürk supporters and supporters of modern Turkey with secular traditions. Turkish Football Federation in Turkey formed in 1923 and in 1924 the first national league started. Gūlenist (FETÖ) supporters who were leading the football federation in 2000 who were also Galatasaray board members changed the leagues history (format) where they decided to wipe the league history from 1924 to 1959. They done this because they said "We should only count the "Super League titles" and not the previous league titles which was played prior to the super league. This is like the english FA saying we will only count the premier league titles and achievements and not record previous years. Why did they do that, because Fenerbahçe was by far the most sucessful club and they wanted to equal out the achievements to gather a larger Galatasaray fan base. Why? Because they were in control of Galatasaray and were scared that Fenerbahçe's secular fan base will have influence in government elections. They were scared that Fenerbahçe will finish them off. Well guess what happened in 2011. They tried finishing off Fenerbahçe by accusing them of match fixing. With zero evidence they jailed the Fenerbahçe president and board members. More than 2 million fans went onto the streets of İstanbul and protested. They could not control the people and decided to withdraw their corrupt politics. And guess what happened after? They blamed it all on FETÖ organisation, their own allies. Fenerbahçe fans were the first people in the country to stand up against FETÖ. Now with every corrupt politics they are involved in, they quickly blame FETÖ. Fenerbahçe is not just a football clubz but a culture. They are by far biggest sports club (not just football) in the country with the most league titles even today. They send the most athletes to the olympics every term. I am honored to be a Fenerbahçe fan. I hope this teaches the foreign football fans some true facts about Turkey and Football.
These conspiary are totally true!
As a Fenerbahçe fan, unfortunately we have suffered a lot of injustice, especially the bus was shot, our players wanted to leave the team and we suffered a lot of material and moral damage, both uefa revenues and sponsorships etc. We lost all of them and even the culprit of those events was not found, unfortunately there is still no justice in Turkish football and the current federation president is the former president of Trabzon. And while these events were happening, the team that benefited the most from these events was Galatasaray, which made us enemies with every team and made us bad with the state, but it's okay for them, but let me give you an interesting statistic, for the last 6 seasons, we saw 1 red card every year in the matches we played with Trabzon, this year Galatasaray saw 3 red cards in 14 matches in Europe. In our league 1 red cards were seen in 38 matches while in our league only 1 red card was seen and it was given at the end of 90+4 matches, unfortunately the referees and the federation see us not as a Turkish team but as a Greek or foreign team, as if we are not the team of this land.
Great video thanks ❤❤
i need to add couple of VERY CRITIC things as turkish local. ex Galatasaray icon football players were gulenist and openly member of his cult (you can find lots of videos with galatasaray players with fetullah gülen) for example Galatasaray's legendary striker Hakan Şükür, he is also exiled in USA. So Galatasaray is their tool to spread their ideology and for the Galatasaray getting benefits of being protected by them, symbiotic relationship..
but anyway thanks for recognition. it's waaaay deeper than in the video hope someone could make it longer video about situation...
and a small note for the foreign people; just check Fenerbahçe's men&women basketball, volleyball teams international success and Fenerbahçe's olympic medals. besides football Fenerbahçe is on same level with Barcelona and Real Madrid and ask yourself why not in the football
gulen’s terrorist organisation has openly supported galatasaray. They even have video tapes having meetings with the former galata players and gulen itself has a video tape saying that it is difficult to “conquer” Fenerbahce from inside. Those things are not conspiracy theories but the truth with the proves.
A club that believes that everyone else is against them ? Sounds perfect for Jose 😌☕
not just believes , knows
A club that acts like a little snobby child
@@averagetim8660 you dont know anything Tim
@@ot5797 oh he really does. snobby child is a very accurate description. now have fun in the Europa League.
@@OneCash explain what you mean by "snobby"
Such a good detailed video. Thank you.
In the 100th year of Fenerbahçe Club, the bid to enter the Guinness World Records with the 1134 cups, medals and awards won in official sports competitions as a team and individually with 9 branches within the club was deemed appropriate by the "Guinness World Records Management Team". In addition, Fenerbahçe is in the league with 28 championships, not 19. It is one of the biggest sports clubs in the world, the sports club that sends the most athletes to the Olympics.
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fener ağlamaaaaaaaaa
this comment smells salt
I invite you to the Fenerbahçe museum, basketball, football, volleyball, athletics, boxing, rowing, tennis, swimming, sailing, table tennis and many disciplines that I have forgotten the names of. This comment does not belong to me Recently, FIFA introduced Fenerbahçe as the biggest sports club in the world. @@idkwhattonameopentosugge-ng6cm
that is actually a very nice narrative. I am sure that our fans will explain in more details in the comments. Because there is a lot to tell yet.
I hate conspiracy nuts but it seems like there really is a conspiracy against Fenerbache.
Good luck to them, I hope they win the League ✊
thanks john i hope so partner i hope so..
They just had 99 points last season. What kind of conspiracy is this then? They were awarded the most Pen's by far and the most controversial goals by far. If there's a conspiracy, it's directly from God. He just don't like their team like that.
thank you for this amazing content.
As a fenerbahçe fan here, i am genuinely thanking you for this video. When i try to explain the story to my foreign friends, they naturally and rightfully get so confused because footbal is just football in their countries. After all the story is also quite intricate too. You put it so simply and objectively. Thanks once again. I am sending them this video by saying "you remember when i told about why we seem to not be champions for this long?" This will do it. Shame on those who doesn't take off their nasty hands from such a great club.
As a fan, (altho nobody asked) i personally think that we shd not even care the league anymore. Shall we not play? No but we can think of it as a training ground. As Fenerbahçe, we shd make people ask "why does the team with yellow and red win the league trophy but scouts of big clubs run after the talents in Fenerbahçe all the time?" Sometimes you convey your concern with softpower. The achievements and the players sold to the big clubs with delicious transfer fees shall tell the whole story. Lately we are doing this by selling our good players and bringing new ones systematically. However, maybe we should put our resources in more fair grounds like European Organizations
5:20
Federation refused to postpone the date for the Supercup which was between the two legs of the European Conference Cup quarter final. It was totally doable on a different date.
Fenerbahçe decided to protest by fielding U19 team and withdraw them after a minute regardless of the opponent scoring.
Why didn't they just not show up? You may ask. It would have brought many legal obligations and penalties, so this was the least 'expensive' way.
The initial date for the match was actually around this time last year. It was postponed because Galatasaray wasn't ready, specifically Icardi wasn't ready. They did this to avoid exactly what happened to Galatasaray few days ago when Supercup was played on time. A historic defeat.
Small correction or rather addition: the players haven't really walked off the pitch because of a goal. The federation refused to postpone the match when fener had a europe match. The president said if they don't postpone it which they had done for Galatasaray previously, then we will not play. The u19 team went onto the pitch just after they already had a match. Gs scored and fb u19 went off the pitch.
@@Kxray1 small correction of your propaganda
The date was agreed at the time of the original postponement. At that point both sides agreed to the date and both sides were still in Europe.
FB also took their u19 team to Riyadh because they were going to pull the same stunt there
Take your U19 team and your made up stories now to the Europa League.
Thank you so much for bringing light to the events happening over Turkish football. This is a ture work of justice.
Thank you Tito! This just the tip of the iceberg. As a Fener fan, i am sick of living with this unfair.
Sounds like the perfect storm to bring Mourinho.
Fenerbahce was the most succesful team until FETO supported Galatasaray. We call them Fetosaray because Fethullah Gulen himself supported them and their legends are all connected to FETO.. Hakan Sukur, Arif Erdem, Okan Buruk and etc. Thanks for the video, lack of very crucial points but it is okay.
Exactly
In fact, you can see fetullah gulen disguised as hakan sukur in the final game of uefa cup in year 2000. If you look really carefully, you can actually see that it was gulen playing as hakan sukur.
good video but lack of information about Fenerbahçe withdrawing the field. Those were U-19 players on the pitch and they were going to leave the pitch as soon as the ball went out, galatasaray players scored a goal despite playing against a u-19 team who already played a game that day and traveled without even showering first with a plane ride for 2 hours and came to the stadium directly. sad scenes really, disgraceful!
It's a good article, but there is missing information in it. Let me complete. Before kick-off, Galatasaray player Kerem Aktürkoğlu told the Fenerbahçe U19 team captain to relax, not to put pressure to win the ball, and that they would throw the ball into the throw-in for the Fenerbahçe U19 team to leave the field. But that was not the case, Galatasaray started to attack by playing with the ball at the kick-off, deceived the tired U19 children who came to the match to protest, and on top of that, they shamelessly celebrated madly on the field.
@@barbarosbozkurt3282 to add to that he shouldve mentioned the former galatasaray president and crucial players of galatasaray have video tapes with fethullah gülen including their current manager and that fethullah openly supports galatasaray
Where were the Atatürk shirts in Urfa? Where were the banners? Not even one? That's disgraceful..
Most pretentious team in the world by a country mile.
great points..thanks for spreading the word
As a Fenerbahçe fan, I am happy that the difficulties we experienced were reported by a foreign source. As Fenerbahçe, we believe that one day justice will return!
I think you also believe to reach Championes league after 16 years )))
José x Fenerbahce: match made in heaven!
Many claim that the allegations of match-fixing are untrue, but that is entirely incorrect. There is concrete evidence, including recorded phone calls. Additionally, consider how many trophies fener has won since the military coup-that alone should indicate who collaborated with them.
You forgot to mention that UEFA winner squad of galatasaray was Gulenist as well and Hakan Sukur top player of turkey at that time is living in the USA right now. One of the confessions he made; "We won the uefa cup and other with the help of Gülen".
Started this thinking it's typical football fan tribalism intertwined with conspiracy theories, but seems like Fener have been hard done by. Saying that, I'd be interested to hear the other side to it all, though i doubt it'd be as convincing.
Other side is just calling Fenerbahce fans paranoid and their presidents to "Lying to you to take the pressure off off himself to mask his incompetence and more on conspiracies". They are just straight up trying to gaslight fener fans into believing all of this is just a series of coincidences and decade long no title run is just our fault. While fenerbahce normally had a championship every other year if not 1 in 3. Its now 10 to 0 "organically"
So listen to me mate. I wasn't even born when Gülen had an important part in our country and after making some research I found out that most part of the population was relevant with him and his "organization" The main reason that Fenerbahçe fans call Galatasaray "Gülen's Team" is our 2 old players (Hakan Şükür and Arif Erdem) who played for the team back in 2000 when we beat Arsenal to win Europa League and beat Real Madrid to win the Super Cup. Those were the most important achievents in Turkish Football history. Years later, everyone (every rival team) learned that Hakan and Arif were also relevant with FETÖ (Gülen's organization) and started to insult Galatasaray about that. But the main problem is Galatasaray is not the only team who had players relevant with Gülen back in time. Fener also had players like Enes Kanter, Bekir İrtegün, Uğur Boral. Additionally, Fener's current president Ali Koç is a member of Koç family. They are one of the richest and most famous families in Turkey. In 2011, when "Turkish Olimpics" (an event which was organizing by FETÖ) took place in our current stadium, Koç Holding Company was a sponsor of it. I am not denying the fact that Galatasaray was relevant with FETÖ back in time but most of the population was too. Fenerbahçe fans are always creating imaginary enemies since I was little and I think it is just about success. Their last league title was 9 years ago and before that they were really successful but now Galatasaray has 24 league titles while they have 19. I really don't want to bore you but they also say they have actually 28 titles and Turkish Football Federation doesn't count their titles before 1959. They are right but there is a reason why Federation doesnt count the titles. Before 1959 there wasn't a professional competition and Turkey didn't have single champion at the end of the seasons. Every city had their own leagues and Fener wants the Istanbul title but winning before 1959 means you are the best team in Istanbul, not Turkey. So they can't count as a Turkish League title. Even Fenerbahçe was accepting this truth until 9 years ago: Before 2014-2015 season both Gala and Fener had 19 titles and they wanted to win their 20th and gain the 4th star (Turkish Football Federation gives one star for 5 titles to clubs) and you know what happened, Fenerbahçe's official twitter account shared a tweet that says 4th star loading before season starts. Where were those titles before 1959 back in time? That tweet was deleted by their admin but you can find it if you search. I can really say lot more but I am not even sure you will read this far :) hope this would help
@@Haron06 biggest yap that leads to nowhere filled with whataboutism. Yeah bud yeah, you're totally right.
@@Haron06 funny... If we wanted Istanbul league championships to be counted; We didn't have 28 titles, we had 36 titles
@@ysnogn iyi güzel hadi ben yanlış ifade etmiş olayım, 4. yıldız yükleniyor tweeti ne olacak
As a GS fan, I want Mourinho to showcase his genius, as much as I want Osimhen to showcase his talents, I hope he does not dissappoint. Better competition makes for better league.
Gulen is a big gala supporter as well. Gala has been constantly pushed by government in recent years even after Gulen fell from power in 2016. On the other hand Fener has always been restrained. If you ask why the government is against Fener, it's about their islamist view which corrupted Turkey as well as the football in recent years. They do not like Fener because of the club`s secularist ideology and members and they of couse have a big influence on the league. UEFA should surely investigate govenment's influence on football in Turkey. Turkey will get rid of that islamist politicians and the real champion of Turkey will be back sooner or later. We still have hope for a secular Turkey, where people and organisations that actually deserve become the victor.
You have not been champions since Gulen is gone. I repeat, you have not been champions since Gulen is gone. Please keep on repeating until you understand that Gulens people were helping your club more than anyone else. There is no other explanation as to why you just can't win the league since he's finished.
And what does secularism have to do with Fener explicitly? What kind of drivel is this? There is no class differences in club teams. Why are you lying to foreigners? Do you really think they believe you?
Some of my people are the worst liars on the planet, unfortunately. Hiç mi utanma yok oğlum sende?
And btw what Islamist law did Erdoğan impose on you? You love to repeat 10 IQ western narratives so come on give me examples. Are women forced to hijab? Are men forced to pray? Are you forced to give Zakah? Are you forced to fast? Does anybody force you to do anything?
Greattt content Tifo
You mean the textbook definition of paranoia
I'm Fenerbahce fans and thanks for you videos💛💙
It's not a conspiracy theory when everything happens in plain sight. Even a 6alata5aray manager (Küknar) openly congratulated their "secret heroes in high places" for helping them win the title, which is not the first time. It's not a rivalry anymore, it's a counterstrike game: between terrorists and counterterrorists.
erdogan is a fenerbahçe fan. So imagine that how accurate these conspiracies are...
@@DodoMan22 There is one reality indeed. 10 years without being champions of a pretty average league and 16 (soon 17) years without playing a single game in the Champions league. Like it was not enough, look at the last 6 years with your trust-fund baby president Ali Koç. Easy to cry that the governement don't want us to be champion, but on the other hand you changed head coaches like they were socks full of holes. Phillip Cocu; Erwin Koeman ; Ersun Yanal ; Zeki Murat Göle ; Tahir Karapınar; Erol Bulut; Emre Belözoğlu; Vítor Pereira; Zeki Murat Göle; İsmail Kartal ; Jorge Jesus; İsmail Kartal; José Mourinho ... Now, i am asking you: who is living in the imaginary world? Keep believing in fairy tailes and rich kid ALi Koç. Fans of Fenerbahçe are as naive as those destitute people waiting hours to get free or cheap food and still believing that the turkish and the president are legendary. What a shame and what a disgrace
@@emreoyman3834 he announced that he was no longer a FB supporter, which was a clear message to the football world at the time
What a mad situation - only Jose could make it more entertaining. Good video!
The video is missing some crucial parts, such as the lost revenues due to not participating in European competitions for two years, the club’s bond prices plummeting, and valuable foreign players leaving the team after the false "match-fixing" accusations. The team was weakened by these events and was unable to win the title, creating a kind of vicious circle. So it's more than just a “conspiracy theory.”
great summary!
Just a quick clarification. Fenerbahçe has won 28 trophies, not 19. Football in Turkey is not started in 1959.
Amazing journalism. Our story needs to be heard by each and every football fan around the world.
In Turkey, we have an Islamist government since 22 years, and Fenerbahçe is the only sport club representing itself as strong follower of Atatürk principles, democratic and secular republic. This is another reason Gulen and government party AKP against Fenerbahçe's success.
And Besiktas to be fair. They are just not what they use to be and lost their fighting spirit amidst the financial crisis and couple of boot licker aka "sayin cumhurbiskinim" presidential reigns. Bu still, even if their presidents became close to islamists, the team itself has a secular and kemalist culture in its core.
hahahaha really?
Never ever ever read more drivel in my life. Not one person in Turkey would agree that there's a class, religion, race or any difference between GS and FB fans.
But what should I expect who opens up with a lie. Do you even know what Islamist means? Are you being forced to pray, or give Zakah, or fast, or read the Qur'an? Are women forced to wear hijab? Or to marry early? Nobody forces anyone to do anything in my beautiful country.
But we have to be really, really careful about maniacs like you. You took a simple thing like football and made it a life or death matter, and you have no problem to base it on lies. You're exactly what Ali Koç is trying to create for the last 6 years.
Now have fun in the Europa League.
Sir we are secular sir loooool
@@eb-chomsky for real man, p@jeet level bootlicking
Great videoooooo thanks for spreading awareness about Fenerbahçe 💛💙
Fenerbahçe is getting really successful scores in European matches yet gs supposedly champions are getting worst results and in club rankings we’re the 1st Turkish team in first 50 so this should say a lot let alone some other statistics
Which success in europe are you even talking about ?
Great video! Espacially your take on the Gulen Sect was very brave and accurate. Thanks for that!
Here's the reality. Looking at the last 20 years, Fenerbahce is propably the most mismanaged team in the world. The influx of rich club presidents has led to some of the most unnecessary transfers you'll ever see. They have always had one goal in mind, which is to be better than Galatasaray. That in itself has always created a toxic atmosphere around the club because it's not in their control whether Gala is doing well or not. Every single season you can watch Fenerbahce falling apart around March/April, especially if Gala is doing well. It's a crazy phenomenon and it's been like that for a very long time now. They are very, very bad under pressure, and I think the fans as well as the club president are to blame for it. His political aspirations won't help the club either. Mourinho is in for a rude awakening.
That didn't take long 🤣🤣
Although most of what you said is correct there was some points you missed and wasn’t correct on. The Turkish Fa and league was started in 1923 which is stated on the logo. Before 1959 Fenerbahce had 8 league titles Gs had 1. In the 90s the turkish fa president haluk Ulusoy (a galatasaray board member) made a new mandate saying non of the championships before 59 would be recognised. But still gave besiktas 2 of their championships before 59. Which still doesnt make sense. Fenerbahce are still trying to have there championships recognised by fa but they are not responding because if they do respond with a no, fener have the right to take them to court which they dont want.
I know nothing of the turkish league, but i really dislike english condescendence towards corruption in other leagues, everything is seen as a conspiracy to them, their only standard is the premier league and they fail to understand how big football is politcally outside of their island
They fail to understand this even on the island. C'mon clubs owned (previously) by Russian oligarch, Americans, whole Arab Countries ...
Exactly. Also corruption is an everywhere-problem. If one participant has more money than the decision makers of that league, corruption is right around the corner. Shout-out to City.
In Turkeys case it's actually fener having the most money. And you can see it on a weekly basis. They'll get the funniest penalties and their opponents never finish the game with 11. Not that Gala is squeaky clean, but this video really missed the mark on Fener.
I love it how the modern use of the word conspiracy is mostly a denial of a conspiracy itself. It's as if its meaning went from being "organised plot and conjunction if forces in pursuit of an objective" to meaning "crazy suspicion that is difficult to prove and no one will ever look into it because this possibility is preposterous".
The truth is that Fenerbahce was convicted for match fixing in 2010-2011 and penalized by UEFA. They have been dropped from Champions League, and another team has played in the Champions Leauge. Funny enough government has backed up Fenerbahçe, protected them from relegation and didn't retrieve their champions title to this day. So there is no consipiracy theory but there is impudence and arrogance of being guilty.
10-11 years is just too much for them to handle. Now no CL for 16 years. I don't even wanna put myself in their position, it's so scary.
Great video! Even though there are some misinformations, it does give the main idea.
Why have you re-uploaded this
they answered it in the pined coments. Yet this maybe another conspiracy🤣
@@sadmanislam5111 😯👀
even if the süper lig isn't as high quality, the country make up for it in their passion
If it is true, you cannot call it a theory.
As a Fenerbahce fan it’s true
They haven't won anything really since Gulen is finished. So yes, I believe in the theory that Gulen kept Fener alive. Without him it's been 11 years without a league title. 16 years since they heard the CL music 😂 just sad.
I want to add a couple of things: Ali Koç (current president) used to work as a board member during Aziz Yıldırım's (previous president) term, and they knew and worked with each other for a long time. Aziz Yıldırım did run Fenerbahçe for 20 years. He was also supposedly involved in the transfer of Mourinho, he made an offer right before Ali Koç, as a presidential candidate.
Koç's family is the wealthiest in Türkiye.
The Super Cup Final was canceled in Saudi because they did not allow posters of Atatürk (the founder of Türkiye), not the anthem.
Fenerbahçe was already considering withdrawing from the league at the time, and they showed up to the replay match with their U-19 team as a protest, they had already announced that they would withdraw from the game beforehand, conceding a goal was not the reason.
The shooting of the team bus was obviously done by the Trabzonspor fans. As you said in the earlier part of the video, they hate Fenerbahçe after that 2011 season.
edit: Galatasaray's current manager Okan Buruk has been known as a firm follower of FETO. lol
Finally, writing this comment made me realize once again, what a mess we are dealing with. Btw, I am not even a Fenerbahçe fan, so I might be wrong on some of the stuff I said. I would appreciate it if the ones who know better also share their take. :)
I can't blame them for being paranoid, I mean their players were punished for defending themselves.
Been a fan of this channel for a few months. Also being a Fenerbahçe fan in the meantime, this video is perfect for my friends here in the UK, being interested in the whole ordeal but unable to keep track because of how many things have gone down. Understandable that you couldn't put everything relating to this topic in a TH-cam video (it would be over 12 hours long if you did that), but nonetheless I thank you for making this video to clear up any people who are interested but confused.
not conspiracy theories but the realities of the Turkish football. Fenerbahce is the symbol of secular Turkey which this current government can't stand. What they don't anticipate is these challenges make the club stronger in the long-term.
This kinda of reminds me of Maradona joining Napoli and the controversy behind it but also this is a perfect environment for Jose
This video is so true. Thank for this. Fenerbahçe is biggest club in Turkey. Trust me 35 million fans do everything for Fenerbahçe. We will destroy this system. We trust our president Ali Koç, Jose and squad.. 💛💙💛💙✊🏼✊🏼
Some Context Missing But A Great Summary 💛 💙
As a person who watches every Fenerbahce and Galatasaray match the accusations by Ali Koc and the Fenerbahce club is all bs. They have been losing the title every season because they are just not good enough, not because a higher power is not letting them.
Fener fans are absolute idiots, not even worth arguing with them.
No no no, youre absolutely wrong. They drew against Sivasspor and Konyaspor costing them the title because of Galatasaray conspiracy. These poor little babies dont deserve any of this 😢
Look who is talking. LOL. Check the statics first then talk buddy.
Top 20 European Clubs
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Real Madrid - 371 points
Manchester City - 369 points
Bayer Leverkusen - 355 points
Atalanta - 316 points
Borussia Dortmund - 261 points
Atletico Madrid - 258 points
Bayern Munich - 258 points
Barcelona - 256 points
Arsenal - 248 points
Inter - 247 points
PSG - 246 points
Roma - 244 points
Liverpool - 240 points
Sporting Lisbon - 226 points
Union Saint - 225 points
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Fenerbahçe - 219 points
Fiorentina - 212.5 points
Club Brugge - 212.25 points
@@ysmna.6926 a random website might have placed you really high on a list but can you tell me the amount of european trophies you have?