Can A Tesla-Swapped 1950 Jaguar Supercharge? Yes! Also No. It's Complicated.
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- How many times can Matt say "Supercharge" in 10 minutes? Find out here.
Also, by 250 watts, I of course mean 250 kW.
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"Because I want tesla's legal team up my ass only slightly less than I want a car fire"
Completely honest, and reasonable... I love this channel... XD
The *number* of angry pixies is the electric charge.
The number of them going through a doorway in a given amount of time is the current.
The tightness of that doorway is the resistance.
Their individual anger is the voltage.
- AvE dictionary
Prudence the safely goat would not approve supercharging the Jaguar ;)
9:26 I see what you're doing, now you can supercharge your jag and have plausible deniability.
Now you need a super charger sticking out if the hood but it's actually the cooling unit with forced cooling.
I'm not sure the high voltage line would stretch far enough for much driving aroun.... oh, the other kinda supercharger ;)
Sooo your saying.. You just need to park at the closest spot NOT at a supercharger...and plug it in under the nearest Tesla ;)
And set your car on fire.
@@LeeHalford And blame it on the other Tesla....
@@Blackinterceptor999 And recive a cease & desist letter............
@@speedfeens2504 Oh that definitely goes without saying.
@@Blackinterceptor999 We were supposed to keep it going and you broke it.... This is why we can't have nice things 😑
Besides being a talented engineer, you are quite the philosopher!-. Your statement as to what happens when you're stranded, is a g e m. Love your videos. Best wishes
The existential range anxiety is real!
And he is quite on point too.
this here comment exists as a sacrifice to the algorithm gods. this video is gold and deserves to be passed around
More people should do this. I wonder if the algorithm actually looks into the content of the comments, and makes a gauge of sentiment; happy, sad or angry comments. Or just tallies how many people comment; popularity of the video. Do polarizing videos get to the top of the heap on TH-cam?
@@LeeHalford Knowing google and the fact that they wanted every book ever digitised so you could search for them by their contents I am certain that at least certain words are checked in the comments automatically. Not like it takes much energy to add an extra bot to do it and yt creators seem to be able to search through comments for the contents so the functionality is definitely there.
Are replies worth as much as original comments?
@@mickenzie5863 Who knows? But I am replying either way cause they gotta be worth something cause they contribute to the total comment count.
Just pull a trailer with a generator to charge up the car. It is a simple and easy fix. Thank you for the video sir.
like... solar panels?
Hybrid cars be like
Yess 😄. A big V8 generator
@@manwithnoname4716 Jeremy Clarkson would be proud
This idea did cross my mind once when I was thinking about getting a second hand Nissan Leaf. Just for a laugh I googled the specs for a small 2 stroke "suitcase" generator that wouldn't take up an excessive amount of the load space, then did some calculations.
I can't remember exactly what the results were, but once the inefficiency of the generator and the Leaf's charging circuit were taken into consideration, it worked out to something ridicules like 2:30h of charging per extra mile worth of power put into the battery. To get any usable "get out of trouble" charging in an acceptable time frame would need a much bigger generator.
I'm not even sure if a Leaf's electronics would decide there wasn't enough power coming in and refuse to charge at such a low level. :D
Love when companies have the right to mess with your physical properties. I never knew the dystopian future would be so mundane.
only "mundaine" when it happened to someone you don't know
It seems like an odd legal situation. As long as your paying to supercharge your not stealing anything. I can see why Tesla would want to do everything they can to prevent car fires.
SuperfastMatt's video introductions are simply amazing!
All Hail the Algorithm. Very informative video, even though there was no actual build content.
Matt, I have no clue how your channel is not massive. Been following since the Honda project. Continue to be impressed by your content.
All hail the algorithm. Kind of like "All Hail the Hypnotoad!" Great video as always.
Matt you are absolutely correct, I fixed my salvaged car and supercharging was disabled.
It took them 6 months to turn it off and in that time had charged over 10 times. My car was front end damaged and only went as far as the subframe. It's been a year now and 40k miles later it's been really good with little to no issues. I really like what your doing with the Jag and looking to put a model 3 into a Ford ranger but completely with as much Tesla functionality as possible.
Looking to integrate battery pack with custom frame and motor using Tesla subframe. I just want an electric truck so bad I think I could build one myself before they begin production!
Anyway great progress and enjoy every video!
Casey
I just love it. Sarcasm AND the meaningless existence...plus exquisite timing. Matt you're a genius in more ways than one.
As always, looking forward to the next one and thanks for the entertainment. Cheers 🍻 👌❤
Your channel is rapidly climbing my hierarchy of favourite automotive channels. Loving your projects and delivery👌
Can't wait to see you drive this when its done!
I don’t know anything about cars, battery’s, engines or engineering but I love watching every video of this channel!
9:31 Perfect loophole "It was for the laughs, I wasn't charging"
He reminds me a little bit of Top Gear with the sense of humor. Love this channel!
Top Gear would need far more automotive knowledge and intelligence to be at all comparable.
Definitely a good deal of morals and ethics built in there. Very mature monologue. Thanks. I look forward to the finished product. The Shaguar model Tesla.
Hey man. Dont rule out road trips all together. That would be a sweet road sled.
Thank you for your videos, but also extra thanks for your excellent focus and sound.
Some of us know the extra effort you have gone to and appreciate it.
this is the most under rated channel in youtube.
yes
You just make me smile with your commentary and visuals. Thanks!
I’m so glad I was recommended this channel months ago
My day just got a lot better! 😁
Thanks for sharing your knowledge and you make it fun looking forward to the rest of the build 👍
New to the channel but hugely entertained, glad I found you. Looking forward to seeing the Jag tearing up the streets.
Another channel that deserves more views. Educational and subtle humour to the supercharge max.
I guess supercharger means more than one thing these days
This is my kind of humor, can you do standup?
I'm sure you have been corrected several times by now: "250 watts" when Im sure you meant 250 kilowatts.
I'm positive he meant 250watt like a floodlight bulb xD same thing
(just joking)
I did mean 250 kilowatts. Soon, I will have screwed up enough to have a whole "Corrections" video.
@@SuperfastMatt DIWhy Not
@@willemboudestijn138 These puns are so Electro Cute
@@SuperfastMatt You also called the heat exchanger a radiator right after you told us its not called that. No… I don't go to parties… My choice… Kind of…
Tesla and my parents must have a lot in common, I can't tell you how many times I heard "Yes you can, but No you may NOT!" Rules are so inconvenient! Great Video, Thanks for sharing!
Road trip with 400 mile range is perfect without any supercharger. When I lived in Europe, I used to travel on the local roads and explore the small towns, I would stop somewhere, check into a local hotel and spend a day or maybe 2 wandering around the area. This would be perfect for the overnight charge routine. If you are trying to go 800 miles in one day, flying is a better option.
the issue for us Americans is that in some places you can go a couple hundred miles and not see a town. hell i drove 300 miles last night just to help a friend go pick up a car, and that didnt even qualify as a road trip
@@Ki113r210 90% of all driving is done in an urban environment and less than 75 miles per day. NHTB statistics. For the 10% minority the old gas burner is OK until a new long range battery breakthrough becomes available in 4-5 years.
@@oldschool1993 You're the sort of person I start to nod and fidget around when you start talking directly to me at a party I didn't want to go to.
@@JDWDMC I have a feeling you're the sort of person no one talks to directly at a party that did want you to attend.
@@oldschool1993 i think you are failing to grasp how much empty space there is in the US. it is 70 miles to the nearest walmart from where i live. and i only live in a moderately rural area. this place is freaking huge. hell, friend of mine drives 200+ miles every work day, 4 days a week. thats Paris to Berlin with 150 miles to spare, every week. now sorry, i just noticed you said "when" you lived in Europe, so i dont know if you live in or have lived in the states, so i dont mean to sound condescending if you do. but the reality is, the US was really built around the automobile in a way few other developed countries are. adoption of electric cars is getting better, but i dont see it being really a mainstay, especially everywhere inland, until either electric vehicles can do something like 800 miles on a charge, or there is some equivalent to being able to pull up to a gas station and leave withing 10 minutes charged up. i have genuinely seen tesla's with portable generators in the trunk to be able to get them home if they run to close to out of charge.
Great stuff. So excited when I see you've got another video out.
This video makes me wish I could post that meme, "Say again, Senior Eng!" / " * sigh * It depends..."
Compact , informative and entertaining . More people should take note of the video qualities this guy maintains
I like this guy's sense of humor! Great explainer too!
Matt, I think your videos are great. I'll be sticking around for that 1M subscriber video.
Elon recently announced on Twitter that they're planning on opening up the Supercharger network to other EV manufacturers. If they follow through with it, it seems unlikely that they'll continue to exclude rebuilt Teslas.
Thank you for posting this video information about your vehicle builds .
Hopefully Rich rebuilds will get a peak at this video. I used to disagree with Tesla on the way they cut salvage vehicles off of super charging, now I get why and agree with them. Great video!
At least we can learn how to transplant Tesla organs in our desolate meaningless simulation❤️
The Abyss definitely gazed back into you … 🥺👍🌷❤️
Maybe having the Tesla legal team up your ass isn’t such a bad experience, if you are open to that sort of thing. 😘
Anyway, really love your channel and your work on the Jaguar. 🏆👍🌷
"Just the tip"
Range anxiety is mostly from people without an EV. We have an eGolf (beside other cars), and we love it. The range of around 150-200 miles was never a problem. Fast charging is widely available, and if we need to go very far we use a petrol or a diesel car..
I don't know who you are, but I need more of that deadpan delivery. Subscribed.
3:06 just a casual winter day in Norway. I instantly recognized this as Norway because of the amount of teslas in one place, the grey weather and the license plates🌞
The number of teslas. You can count them
You've inspired me. Not necessarily to make a tesla conversion but to get into cars and start to deepen my understanding
DC sugar, I'm going to steal this. Please send me your preferred royalty model ;)
This will have to change once they open up the supercharger network to other EV's. That means, other ways to bill other than the secret handshake that pulls the VIN of the car.
Ha haaah….”Let me have some of that DC sugar…..”. Great start to my day!!!!!!
Is the story about "Dan" the reason you just moved?
From now on I'm gonna call radiators, Cooling rectangles.
Cool cooling rectangle cools my other rectangles.
We need cooling hexagons. Because hexagons are the bestagons
Cool story, bro 👍
And I'm gonna correct everyone that they are really heat exchangers. I already never get invited to parties.
Absolutely love your humor!
Matt, You should be able to Supercharge soon, MAYBE!, at some level. Let us know when you try it. Also, love the Jag and the Slow Car Fast.
You had no way to know this (unless you do *squints In suspicion*) but my notification alert is JonTron saying "oh no" dramatically and I received an alert in perfect timing to you saying "the battery will begin thermal runaway." I genuinely cracked up
Your videos are just so entertaining.
Nice shirt. Looks very comfortable. 100% cotton, I think. We call it Camisa De Chino where I come from.
Dude, the viper at the charging station had me rolling. I'm totally doing this with my 67 Electra for a photo.
I wonder how the new NACS system will affect the legality of using a Supercharger for the Jag? Since it'll be the new Standard for fast charging for all EVs in the entire US, I wonder how/if Tesla will still try to tell you that you can't charge it at a Supercharger. If it would become reasonably legal for you to use them, it might be worth upgrading the charging equipment. This video is also two years old already by the time I'm making this comment, and I'm fairly certain this build is already done by now. There is also the possibility that this question is addressed in a later video already.
Love your work
I was gonna say... 250 watts? woo-hoo! lol. Then I saw your correction to 250KW.
Hi Matt, I love your videos and have a little advice to you: Put the title of your thumnails to the top, because now, they are hidden at the end by the length information at the small thumnails at TH-cam. Kind regards from Oldtimer-Rescue, Ralph
I almost spit out my beer when I saw the censored part at the end 🤭🤣🤣
[pauses video]
[scrolls down]
[reads]
"Also, by 250 watts, I of course mean 250 kW."
[nods, goes back to video]
Withstanding the IP issues this is the exact quandary every racing “drone” user faces when you have to charge between races.
You're really funny! Thanks for the laughs!
Hi Matt, John from Australia here. I have the video paused at 19 seconds in. That Mitsubishi is a Victorian reg car. I live in Victoria. Based on the reg number it's rather new'ish. Our state holds the record for length of lockdown during Covid. The Premier, Dan Andrews, would've been right at home in Third Reich. Also, those old cobblestone gutters are great for keeping your expensive wheels scratch and dent free. Not.
That pt cruiser picture just made me want one. Take it and cut the floor out of it. Snd build a 2x3" square tube frame, use a direct injection 4.3 vortec v6, LV3 im thinking. Maybe its not direct inj. But its LS/LT based. Connect it to a tr6060 from a camaro, maybe add some boost. A couple turbos will definitely make it fun. Use a explorer 8.8, 3.55 gesrs. 26" tall tires 17-18 rims 7.5-8" wide front. And 8.5-10" rear coil over ladde bars or 4link, with a watts Link over a panhard bar. And graft on mid 80's corvettte disc brakes, upgrade the stock parts later. It would make one heck of a sleeper, especially with a quiet exgsust, use a flow master pro series muffler, eith 3" exhaust, and definitely put atleast a 6point cage inside, i would guarantee it would do 10.50 in the 1/4, with 4.10 gears and 10-15 psi of intercooled boost. Maybe a 75-100 hp wet nitrous kit, at least using E85 for the nitrous, using port injection with a nitrous nozzle on the bottom of the intake using a holley high ram style intake with 90mm throttle body. Then happy fun in a pt cruser..
Matt! How did I not know you had a YT channel?! I blame the algos. Lookin good buddy!
Love the humour.
Really I'd even watch if you did a video of polishing a turd.. wait..oh
Ha
So at a rough guesstimate; how long/what's the quickest do you think it would take to charge from 'low' (say 10%)?
That might change as Elon opens SuC for other brands. You can buy a CCS kit nowdays (Made by German company Vector). Your BMS tells the CCS charger not to cook your battery. In fact the BMS of my Model S told a CCS charger to do 19kW only when the battery was very cold. There are options.
Just a comment to bring Matt that much closer to the algorithm. I'm sure they'll make a great couple.
This video made my day.
Does the onboard charger function still? What is the max amperage you’ve tried to charge with now that the project is “finished?”
In Europe Tesla is required to offer CCS charging for other car brands. So if that ever makes it’s way to the states, just make sure the charger doesn’t confuse your Jag as a Tesla. Which kind of makes sense.
With an adapter it should be possible to charge on other CCS fastshargers. They might have something in the terms of service that bans modified vehicles so definitely read that first.
Thank you for the video
tesla's lawyers def got a few chuckles outta this vid
I think its time, you made your own super super charger.......
Love the aesthetics of the car.
all hail the algorithm! TBH it would be fun seeing the jag plugged into a supercharger (even if it isn't actually charging ;) )
As dey ave schewed zee people owning zee rekt Tesla's, and that most supercharging is not free, they should simply require the use of a Tesla App or physical card for supercharging including non Tesla vehicles. Simple net 30 terms and a credit system for the various means of acquiring free supercharging credits could go through.
As far as the supercharging stations, they have over current, thermal protection and so on, it really doesn't matter what people plug into them. The same applies to salvage Teslas. They have quite an extensive self diagnostics suite. It is entirely lawful to rebuild a vehicle, have it inspected for roadworthiness and safety (requirement in all 50 States) and drive it on the road like any other vehicle. Blocking supercharging in an inspected vehicle with a satisfied self diagnostics check is nothing short of illegal discrimination. Their is no justification for blocking the charging outside of artificially devaluing salvage cars.
As far as any kind of liability for allowing any vehicle to supercharge, there is none. That's would be the equivalent of trying to hold Exxon liable for a bank robbery because the perps stopped to fill up the getaway car before the heist. Or trying to hold them responsible because someone was smashing vehicles in a rage with a tank half full of Mobil 87 octane. It just doesn't make sense. Often times people are initially confirmed when it comes to something new. Like liability for supercharging. At the end of the day, it's no different than a gas station. Tesla is no more liable for a car catching on fire than Jimmy's corner variety for selling gas for a car that catches on fire. Phew!!! I think I've beaten that dead horse sufficiently lmao 🤣
You've got to admit that not the inspectors nor the inspection itself (on all 50 states) are prepared to check high voltage battery cars, they'll check frame damage and safety devices but they don't know how to check battery health and they don't have any way to check if a cell is damaged or something is wrong with the pack, i'm with you with the third party charging but wrecked cars will be a risk, a cutoff from the supercharger might come too late if the cells are bad and started heating up, I get why tesla is so reluctant to this as car fires damage their reputation too much.
@@Freddiew-117 The software won't even let the car charge more than 50 miles if a single 18650 cell is dead. They have to be repaired perfectly to work, this has been the bain of many Tesla drive users. There's a guy building an electric sports car. He has taken his batteries in and out so many times it's heartbreaking. The modules wouldn't close the contactors. What he finally discovered was that the battery monitoring checks for leakage in the Megohms. He finally got everything isolated sufficiently and found another issue. Megohm resistance testing uses 5000 volts at very controlled low amperage. Repeated arcing (small snaps as it bridges a gap) will burn out the driver. Tesla systems really are incredible. The battery monitoring system fails safe. If it can't get feedback from a sensor, it simply doesn't work. If you want to see extreme frustration, watch people using Tesla mainly or any other OEM electric drive. {I'll put a note here. The system could have an 800 volt motor without having battery voltage anywhere near that. It would actually be more efficient and silent. EV motors shriek because of the IGBT SWITCHING. 18 batteries at 48v each would be perfect. That's what would be called a 36 pulse drive or inverter. 800v motor is 460v per leg. The batteries stage on to make a sine wave. They also have the rapid switching so it doesn't look like a stepped square wave but switching is greatly reduced to bridge 48v vs the 0 to 800 in a single pack. We commissioned a 11.7 kilovolt 120kilowatt motor on a natural gas train overseas. It was a 72 pulse system, 12 positive and 12 negative for each phase. You could hear a faint hum at the motor. It was more than 20ft tall. Why they don't mandate EVs to operate that way is beyond me. 48v is harmless and an 800v motor is serious juice. Anyway I digress} Over current devices for high voltage now function in nanoseconds. Faster than a dead short can form an arc. Something like a supercharger would initially send out a low voltage looking for amperage X threshold. It would never even start charging if there was an issue. Liability is definitely not the issue. They are no more liable for a salvage rebuild than any other OEM. All of the rebuilt Teslas have worked flawlessly. They didn't work at all before every single safety system and sensor was repaired, replaced and operational. Even so, the builder takes on all liability. The Salvage inspections are for road worthiness, chassis integrity, brakes and suspension, and safety system check. They don't look at the motors.
If you want to have a better understanding of something like a 36 pulse drive. Look here
new.siemens.com/global/en/products/drives/sinamics/medium-voltage-converters/sinamics-perfect-harmony-gh180.html
@@curvs4me Yes I agree that the Tesla BMS is awesome but again, you don't know if the rebuilder decided to go another route and ditch the bms all together, use an aftermarket one that doesn't have all those failsafes but still meets the supercharger's requirements,
awesome info and very interesting.
@@Freddiew-117 Did you look at the Siemens variable frequency drives? A simple analogy would be a maglite that takes 6 D cell batteries. It will light dimly with a single D cell at 1.5v then you add another and the voltage jumps up to 3v, then 4.5v and so on up to 9v. To form the negative half of the sine wave those same batteries are staged in with reverse polarity. With 9v of DC battery, you can get 18v peak to peak. To get the RMS voltage, you just multiply the peak to peak times 0.707 and you get 12.73v RMS AC out of 6 batteries at 1.5v each. If you multiply the battery 🔋 voltage ⚡ by 30 then you will have six 45v batteries that combined make +270 volts and reverse polarity -270v for a total p2p voltage of 540v. Do your RMS multiplier and you have 382v RMS. EV AV Motors are 3 phase so that would be one leg. To get 3 phase RMS voltage you can multiply a single leg times 1.414. So adding two more banks of six 45v batteries would give you the capacity of 540 3ph volts rms from eighteen 45v batteries.
A close common voltage would be 48vdc for batteries. 18 of those with 1100cca will be capable of putting out 576VAC 3 phase power with 1,555 amps peak capacity. A single leg only has 1100cca like an individual battery. Going to 3ph the potential (voltage) and the current is shared among the 3 legs. Using the same 1.414 multiplier times the 1100 gets you the 1,555 amps.
So why in the world don't they do it this way? 48v is harmless, you can hold a dry bare hand on each of the terminals and the resistance of your skin is enough to block it entirely. The case safety requirements, the precharge contactor to bring the voltage up in the inverter wouldn't be needed. You would however need 3 IGBTs on every battery. One positive to negative, one negative to positive, and one bypass to connect thru to the motor as batteries are staged in. As a massive bonus, you could continue to operate, bypassing a battery, at a slightly reduced output if you lost a battery!!!
I'm seriously considering making an EV drive/inverter this way. It would be more efficient and cheaper to build.
Do you think 🤔 it would be a worthwhile venture? I've been on the fence for years thinking someone would be doing it. Years later, I still hear 🦗🦗🦗🦗's
I'm curious how this is going to change now that all manufacturers are switching to the tesla style charger
All hail the algorithm. I think I watched SuperfastMatt on Jay Leno and Hoonigan today. Next video should be a Hoonigan This VS That of the S1000 vs the Jag.
Matt will somehow driving both at the same time, he will just figure it out.
Hi Matt. I think I saw some news talking about Tesla letting future EVs charging in its Superchargers infrastructure. But this seems to be in the future. Maybe you'll be lucky enough to charge your Jag in the near future.
All hail the algorithm, here, feast upon this glorious engagement.
Well that's my idea of taking the guts of my (not wrecked) M3P and putting them into a camper when the lease is up out of the window. I suppose Ionity would still be an option but I'm just so used to the convenience of the Supercharger now.
100k subs. This channel is going to get big as f
I hope so. I have so many project ideas.
Fascinating.
This is a good reminder of how complex things can be with this brave new world. I am very uneasy about buying a Tesla because I don't like the idea of Tesla modifying my software and removing features from the car without my permission. I respect their permission to deny me access to their supercharge system for any reason. I now sort of understand why they have removed the fast charge capability from a salvaged car (or a car using a salvaged battery pack). I'm still nervous th at this will shift the balance of power between manufacturer and owner a little too far.
I don't like taking my cars to dealership service departments because they're expensive, and I have trust issues with car dealers. I really appreciate the freedom to take my cars to independent garages that I trust. Would Tesla remove features (like the ability to supercharge, or even fast charge) from a Model 3 that I had purchased new from a Tesla dealership because I decided to have it serviced by an independent shop that specialized in working on Teslas? They could argue that they were concerned that an unafiliated repair shop might degrade the battery pack's active cooling system to the point where it might be a fire hazard. I can almost understand their reason for concern. Still, it would leave me with the choice of losing features from my new car, or being left at the mercy of the dealer's service department. "Brave new world" indeed.
I'm glad you covered _why_ Tesla disables fast charging on salvaged cars. Tesla is a relative new car company running on relatively unique tech. You hit the nail on the head that a Tesla fire is going to garner _a lot_ of media attention just because of what Teslas are, while a gas car catching fire usually wouldn't even be news-worthy. I really dislike Tesla's approach towards repairs and salvaged vehicles, but frankly, it's a necessary evil for the company at this point.
Range anxiety is still legitimate or me where I live. In Canada when it's -45 batteries lose performance considerably. Now this is my understanding as of the last time I was looking at it, and tech may have improved since.
I'm impressed!!
You got a subscribe from me for your humour 👍🏼
Someone told me that you need a Turboencabulator to connect to a Tesla Super Charger. 🤣😂🤪
"Electronical issues" 🤣🤣🤣