Dream Theater's "Score" Contains Fake Vocals
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ส.ค. 2024
- An audience shoot of Under A Glass Moon and Innocence Faded from the Score concert, showing clearly that James LaBrie was either auto-tuned or overdubbed for the DVD release. Even before I traded for this video, I knew something was "up" with Score, because I had some bootlegs of other shows from 2006, like "Making Waves In Toronto," where LaBrie sounds nowhere near as good as on the DVD, performances of Innocence Faded included. Circle the wagons, LaBrievers.
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I was at this concert. It was definitely auto tuned and pitched corrected for the DVD, no way around that for sure. I remember JP’s guitar went out during the first verse of this song. Naturally that was corrected for the DVD
I was there, too. It was actually a rather good performance from LaBrie on the night but you are absolutely right. He wasn't perfect, as some would have it. Tweaks were absolutely made before release.
I heard about that guitar detail but never actually heard it on the DVD. You can definitely tell in this video. Guitar doesn't come back in until 0:48.
I remember the guitar being disconnected as well during this song. I was there. Amazing show. LaBrie gave an excellent performance.
Labrie doesn’t even sound bad at all here. Especially compared to how he sounds nowadays. Imagine him singing innocence faded now
doesnt even sound bad hahahahah omegalul you trash
Check out his Cameo clips
I've been a vocalist for 39 years opening for all national acts . And I agree with all the comments as far as a long tour beating up on your voice and just energy in general which is needed for any performance . Also the comment about taking live shows marked for DVD release back in to the studio to polish the product anyway you have to . It's been done for as long as long as live shows have been out on tape or DVD . My only issue I have with JLB is the way he uses his head voice . He dosen't disguise it at all . Every good singer uses it but the real skill is making it sound like it's your real chest voice . I still think he's a good singer and perfect for DT
I totally agree, he used to be better at blending his head and chest voice, but I guess his age and wear has made it harder for him
He is a great singer. The notes are he hit were insane to his angry voices all great, But as he aged he is loosing it. It is ok he has given us so many great songs. Maybe he put in so much pressure on his vocal chords and for so many years its bound to happen and has happened with many singers but i feel his case was the worst but than again there weren't like many like him and he has been doing it for so many years. Let it be. Love him for what he was.
Awesome performance by James
I could never hit those notes!
I thought this would be atrocious but it's not even that bad, 2021 JLB wishes he could sing like this.
I knew Score had some overdubbed vocals, but I didn't know the original performance had been this good!
Cope harder. This sounds almost nothing like the DVD.
@@theravenskillrebelmilitia139I agree DT should stop autotuning their DVDs so much, but LaBrie sounds pretty good here, I think. At least compared to now.
@@will_stevens But now compare his 2006 singing to his 1992-1994 singing, or even his 1995-1998 singing.
@@theravenskillrebelmilitia139 And even compare to 2011-12 singing
@@theravenskillrebelmilitia139 in A Dramatic of Events tour he is for me better than in 95-98 (because of not cracking)
Did you guys noticed that 7:55 is the only moment that he hit a correct high note? Plus I think it's the highest vocal note in the song...
its not as if his vocal range is worse than it was. its his control that he fucks up. its as if he isnt really trying. He can definetly hit those notes back in the early 2000s.
The highest note is not the most difficult to hit (most of the times anyway)
@@chrisvanloenen6591 That's correct. Fluctuating between notes (especially within your breakpoint) are the most difficult.
@@chrisvanloenen6591 Well I can sing higher than Labrie, I can go up to G#6 and can sustain notes up to D6, and can easily hit G#5 any day. What is really difficult tho, is control and pitch. And if I train to have control and pitch, I am unable to hit those notes that easily. So If I just sing easily, putting not much effort to power and pitch, I can easily hit those notes because I have not really tired my voice. But if I have been singing properly the whole time, then to add the high notes that is actually really hard to nail, because my voice is already tired by that point. So it could be that Labrie, chooses to loosen up in his technique, just so he can hit those high notes more easily. So the difficulty is not really hitting those notes, a lot of people can do it, but hitting those notes after you have already sung an entire song, specially if you sang with power and control.
This is no secret. I went to the show, best LaBrie performance I've ever seen.
ROFLMFAO
I'd hate to hear the worst.
Omg, you dont know Labie's carreer... he is definetively not in the "best" moments at the Score recording... the Roadrunner records made an excelent post-production job by the way,!
@@ScorgeRudess roadrunner had nothing to do with DT at the time of Score's release so the fuck are you talking about lol
@@Lexie_T it's probably the same. He said "best performance HE'S ever seen". Probably the only performance he's seen too.
Labrie sounds great in this video
Old Chanel he couldn't hit many notes in key at all
tight performance on the instrumental side !!
what ever, no James Labrie, no Dream Theater.
agreed. I mean i do realise that he doesnt sound that great, but it doesn't ruin it for me since he is such a big part of the dream theater sound.
No Dominici - no DT, lol.
@@nicksm7980 thats were you're wrong. DT would still have been DT without him, remember that the first album did nothing, gained them no big amount of fame. A lot of that had to do with Dominici not being enough. Dream theater would still have been dream theater had they been an instrumental band back then. But songs like Pull me Under and learning to live without Labrie would not have been.
@@DonHaka It was sarcasm, come on)
@@djevon4853 I don't agree, you could say the same thing about Pink Floyd when waters lost in court, but Pink Floyd returned without waters and were better than ever in my opinion. Just watching the pulse dvd is enough to make me realize that Gilmour, mason and wright were the soul and music of Pink Floyd, whilst waters was merely a writer and singer. I prefer Rudess to Moore, because I'm biased, I like his technique, he's a smart and funny guy, and SFAM is my favorite album. But my second favorite is awake, and Moore is brilliant on that record, so I mean its all the same to me really, but if I have to choose id pick rudess.
Very interesting! The Innocence Faded performance is actually quite good and emotionally exiting! Very hard song to sing through, has some tricky moments and wide vocal range overall. Great sound, very deep and evolveing.
Someone is trolling here. James isn't perfect but I'll be damned if he isn't still amazing here.
Live at the Marquee 93 is also overdubbed.
You can tell the vocals are overdubbed by comparing lines side by side.
There's an obvious one just 10 seconds in.
Here Labrie sings 'I smile at the mow' - the word 'moon' being quite short, but in the Score footage he holds the word 'moon' a lot longer and it sounds like 'smile at the maaaaa' th-cam.com/video/4KcTYTZRqtQ/w-d-xo.html
Are you telling me THIS is the real sound and is not overdubbed? I am completely astonished, we is FUCKN great here!!!!! You gotta be kidding trying to troll him with this video xD
I've noticed a trend in your videos. Do you have some personal vendetta against Dream Theater?
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Hahahhaha
I’m gonna go with “yes”.
He hates, and I mean HATES, James Labrie
@@theravenskillrebelmilitia139 in fact I see how much Portnoy did to kick away LaBrie when he was in the band.
But he didn't manage to get him away in 19 years.
Maybe cause he didn't want to?
Oh wait Portnoy is actually the one who decided to keeo LaBrie even after the poisonous food accident.
fucking amazing singing, even better than on the DVD, raw as fuck
absolutely stunning performance
Dude, I was at this show…it’s fucking different listening to it like this. When you’re there, it’s loud, exciting and energetic…people don’t really care all that much. I play guitar for a living and I can tell you James has a tough fucking job, man. People don’t understand how incredibly difficult it is to perform in a loud environment night after night, for hours on end, year after year…and have your voice hold up in the original keys? It’s not a reasonable thing to ask…
100% agree! Most people watch some crappy recording and assume that JLB sounds bad live. When you're actually there, he sounds amazing which is ultimately what matters.
@@matsaabel5949 Why does LaBrie sound terrible in recent soundboard recordings, but great in low-quality analog recordings from the early 90s?
@theravenskillrebelmilitia139 because he was 10 years younger, without having suffered a vocal rupture, without 10 years of touring and constantly exposing his vocal folds through an amount of damage that very few singers can sustain without becoming voice-less. Singing stuff from Images and Words and Awake would destroy anybody's voice in the long term. You can tell that whoever wanted that high register back than (probably Portnoy) didn't know shit about vocals and how impossible it is to sing like that non-stop.
And in fact Labrie's voice started to crack way before the incident: you can already hear it in japan 1993, where he was way worse compared to the very start of the I&W tour during fall 1992. At the end of his very first tour with dream theater you could already hear the cracks and pops, which were both his fault (due to early bridging and in general to his technique being too harsh on his vocal folds) and the vocal damage that he had to sustain in order to sing like that
his voice more like 2004 live in budokan, I have concern when I listening this live, thinking "WTF how come his voice so amazing in 2006?" but the difference is just tune up his key a little bit, his performance is still great at that time
Well, now I understand why Labrie sounded so well on that concert. It was hard to watch this because Score was my favorite DT live concert because the way Labrie sounded and other reasons. I think I should have imagined that this fake vocals happened because I watched them live on december, 2005 in Chile (the first time they came) and Labrie didn't sound so good like in the Score concert. I'm really surprised by this video.
I'm shocked that you're shocked... they've even admitted to 'fixing' problems in post production with some of the errors that occur during live recordings. Do some research and you'll find articles out there with them talking about it.
but what is more shocking is that this portion of the video is considered by those unaware of this vid as JLB's best live moment even though, as you have said it, the band admitted to tampering their DVD's
I mean, honestly, his innocence faded performance was still pretty killer
It is a very normal thing for ANY artist in the world. Not a big revelation there. I even remember Nirvana MTV Unplugged concert where the mucisians nada a lot of mistakes and they were corrected later.
Can we understand a singer like JLB a little bit? Singers would kill for his registry and how he meets the musical demands of DT.
I still like him alot even in this performanse
Post-production is very very common on live DVDs in general. No band performs at perfection every night, yet almost all live DVDs will sound almost perfect. Which is usually thanks to post-edits or even re-takes. I can admit I was disappointed when this came to my knowledge the first time. But I quickly realize why so bands do it. You spend a lot of time and money to capture that special evening, then you accidently "ruin" it. Those retouches are worth the stronger product. Also, the more bands do this, the more the expectation of perfection will remain. And you almost "need" to live up to that.
looking how portnoy improvised in every part is very harmonic,he is not only play "drums", he did put the emotions to every beat,I miss the old glory DT days with MP behind the kit.
me too, but he was the one who decided to leave
@@vitorisaia He just wanted to take a break year to recharge. It was the rest of the DT A-holes who said if you take a break, you're out. They should have listened to Mike because they all needed a break to recharge their creative batteries. They have never recaptured their earlier work since that time, and Mangini is boring - he adds nothing of substance to DT.
@@andoletube I agree. Actually they should have taken a little break. I missed him too. But I can't take back time. Mangini is good too but I guess, too technical. And I really don't like the change of atmosphere of the songs they had since 2011.
Your wish were granted 2 months ago.
We know James can hit those notes but his tone is pretty garbage. I don't blame him though. It comes with age. It also was caused by his vocal injury. I think James is one of the best singers in the world. He can still hit that shit live. I saw them play Pull Me Under in March and James hit every single note. His tone is shit but that shouldn't take away that he actually hits those notes. That's ALL that matter for this band.
@@Alfred_-vp9ys have you seen his recent cameos? His singing is INSANE idk I think he changed his technique cause it sounds really damn good
Sure they fixed a lot but on the other hand, who cares? SCORE is an amazing-sounding document of DT, arguably at its absolute peak as a band (although their more light-hearted and improv-heavy approach during the mid-90s is my personal favorite). Just about every act fixes the vocals of live performances, and with the difficulty of Labrie's job the way it is, it's a forgivable act that was done out of consideration for we fans/customers.
I may be in the minority here, but I enjoy DT because when they're on, they sound SO fucking good. They are so extremely enjoyable to listen to. I don't like this band because of the degree of difficulty they pull off live (although it is cause for the highest respect, even nowadays). It's not about their musical athleticism. It's not about them fulfilling their supposed responsibility of replicating their albums as closely as possible. It's about the damn music.
Dream Theater peaked as a band with Kevin Moore. The best live document of DT, which does not contain monkeyed with vocals, is Images And Words: Live In Tokyo.
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Very insightful!
Am I the only one that thought the innocence faded was honestly pretty stellar? That under a glass moon performance was pretty harsh admittedly tho
I love the natural feel of this video. Much prefer these over studio versions. So much more organic and enjoyable
The singer must have the most annoying vocals I've ever heard in my life.
One more thing I might add it's hard to stay in key if you can't hear yourself. His tiny in ear monitors don't have a prayer of drowning out JP wall of stacks together with Portnoy hitting like a truck along with the rest of the on stage monitoring. I hated in ear monitors and my sound man's wife owned a hearing aid business where they custom mold them for each person. We had top of the line IEM along with a perfect molded fit and I still didn't like them . Everyone else in the band loved them but singing with them is totally different . I could have made them work if I had to but was much more comfortable singing without anything stuffed in my ears. I can only imagine how loud JP is on stage. You know the old guitar player justification ( I GOTTA DRIVE THE TUBES TO GET THE SOUND I WANT) which is true . I still like breaking their balls a little. Lol. One thing Labrie and I have in common we both use Mojave MA-1000 for vocal recordings. Love Mojave. Anyone looking for smooth ass midrange frequencies check them out. I'll take that over a Neumann u87 any day. Used them both. David Royer is a magician when it comes to mic design and build.
Overdubbed AND (probably heavily) pitch-corrected.
he was spot on when i saw him astonishing tour in 2016. your chan is hilarious though, sometimes he's just super FLAT! I actually thought the score dvd was him having a good night like 2016 astonishing show in newark NJ. THat was one of the best concerts i've been to my whole life even though im not that crazy about the album- but live it was AWeSomeE
Labrie stava come una bestia quella sera! Che spettacolo
Ecco perché è Il mio live preferito
Yikes...this is a major disappointment as Score was my favorite DT DVD ever. Definitely not as worse as he sounds now for sure but yeah, massive reality check.
PolarizeMe the "callow and vain" part hit hard. The dvd one sounded so fucking epic. Big letdown.
Frank West I had a feeling Score was a bit touched up here and there for some notes James missed the mark on considering how amazing he sounded for the time. But I wasn’t expecting James to miss the mark as much as he did. I wonder if he’s got more audience shot footage from the show he’s willing to share considering now it’s pretty much ruined for me at this point.
PolarizeMe i mean, every live dvd has some touches here and there, but this is just sad. James couldn't sing on key at the time, and he has gotten worse much worse since then. They don't even play this song live anymore, and you can easily assume that the main reason is LaBrie's voice.
DT really needs to ditch the now weaker link of their otherwise amazing band. ASAP.
7:44 is so obviously re-recorded on the DVD release. I don't get why you get so many dislikes. I thought "Score" was actually a live recording, but it is quite obvious that it is not! EDIT: even worse is that this section (7:44 - 8:01) is put up on youtube as "James LaBrie's BEST Live Moment" and it is absolutely not live =)
"I don't get why you get so many dislikes." Triggered modern Dream Theater fanboys, but I don't really care though. If you come out harshly critical of someone or something, then obviously, you're going to run into opposition. And yes, I've made the point before that it's LaBrie's fans themselves who cite that section as "proof" LaBrie bounced back from the food poisoning. I get accused of "cherry-picking," but it's actually LaBrievers and Boygini fans who cherry pick instances where those two sound good while ignoring the numerous examples where they don't. And with this bootleg, we see that the crown jewel of LaBrievers had studio assistance and was not actually "live" as billed.
Spot on, man. Been a fan of your old channel. Sorry to see it go. Big DT-fan here, but yeah. This channel really shows all the problems with DT today!
Definitely not re-recorded. Pitch corrected a bunch for sure, but not re-recorded.
Luckily James reached Score's performance quality in the Black Clouds tour, especially Frankfurt, Jahrhunderthalle in 2009. I think that tour was the last time he delivered an okay performance.
Come on, guys.
The material is challenging enough for a singer with a voice in top notch conditions.
Think of an aging singer with throat issues over the years like a musician who suffers from tendonitis.
A musician on a bad day makes a few mistakes. Broken strings? Change it, no biggie. Ripped drumhead on a drum? Avoid it and the drum tech will get it sorted out on 2mins. A singer blows his voice? There's no fixing it. And keep in mind, this is the last show of a freaking 8-month tour.
LaBrie did a really god job. Give him a break.
One of several arguments I hear on a regular basis, which has been addressed over and over again. If the vocal cords wear out over time, and cannot be replaced, then that makes a case IN FAVOR OF bands changing singers at some point, not keeping someone with a busted voice. It should be pointed out, however, that LaBrie's voice has aged poorly compared to other metal vocalists. Rob Halford and Bruce Dickinson are OLDER than LaBrie, and neither one turned into a squawking seagull.
Still better performance than Labrie's current shows.
I'm happy to see you (kind of) back! Your channel was a great thing for real (not the 2.0 'fanboys' that think 'the astonishing' is the new 'the wall', or something like that) DT fans! It's so unfortunate that a lot of morons didn't appreciate the effort you put into the channel, getting the bootlegs, the videos of the shows with rare songs or anecdotic things, on the making of your psychosane exercises (and other meme theater stuff) and mashups, and a lot of quality content which you uploaded over the years. I want to thank you for all you did, and I hope your future projects (in and out of You Tube and internet) will be really gratifying for you.
Greeting from Argentina! (sorry for my neanderthal man's english)
I have read your new blog. I understand the key reasons for your channel's closing, and I agree with you in what one of those reasons is the band starting to show signs of rot bc the path that Dream Theater had choosen with the astonishing and even with their sign with Inside out, keeping Labrie and probably not giving a damn about Mangini's drums, and the bad mixing of their last albums (I felt a lot of ideas were badly executed in the self titled album, due to the mediocre production that it had).
I feel bad about the way Labrie attacked you, showing how insecure he is nowadays about his voice, and not seeing the work you did for DT (actually sharing a lot of shows and bootlegs recording of shows in which Labrie fucking kicked ass! the 92-93 era shows have the best vocal performances of him). He didn't apologize after his post or even asked you to remove the video, showing that his ego is bigger than ever, but also exhibits that he can't deal with the criticism. The 2.0 DT Fanbase (fanboys) neither, and that's why they attack everybody that thinks Labrie can't sing anymore, and they'll try to cover the sun with their fingers at any time if someone says something about their idol. This also applies to the astonishing's criticism, because they think JP and JR are perfect Gods that can't be wrong (I guess all of us that followed DT had this feeling at one point, but some of us got over it). This behaviour of the fanbase feeds back to DT in the wrong way, making them think that people likes Labrie's live shows, and other things. The bottom line is they aren't challenged by the fans to improve in their work, and to make good decisions. Even if they already know about the criticism, and keep making the same mistakes, we'll learn how much they care about their fans.
The fact that after 8 years they can't get over Mike Portnoy's Departure from Dream Theater, reminds me those ex-gf which, after some time togheter, they still miss their bf and because of that, they hate him, and wish him the worst, and also, expressing their current frustrations with DT (something they'll never recognize), because, if the band was making good music since MP left, they wouldn't act this way. I'm not saying Sons of Apollo is the best band of 2017, but at the very least, is interesting, and it's great to see Derek and Mike working togheter after 20 years, and accompanied by talented musicians as Jeff Scott Soto, Billy Shehaan and Bumblefoot.
It's been a while since I saw fowards with DT. Your channel showed me that there's a lot of excellent thing about their past, and that's why I came back to care about the band in 2015. Listening to some of the bootlegs, and other obscure shows and songs of their early years was like recovering a lot of great memories of my childhood, which were buried in my mind. I'm really thankfull for you and your work.
Hopefully, you'll find a new way to be in You Tube, perhaps with other bands, doing what you really like, and without the annoying assholes who can't stand different opinions.
Yep, this pretty much hits the nail on the head. The one thing I would add is that Dream Theater's paid employees are complicit in the corruption too. For example, I talk about the case of Rai Beardsley on my blog - his gross negligence and hypocrisy, aiding and supporting someone who he knew had infringed on HIS (Rai's) copyrights and exhibited sociopathic behavior towards several Dream Theater fans.
I imagine modern Dream Theater being a similar scenario to when George Lucas made the Star Wars Prequels. JP & JR are completely surrounded with yes-men who are afraid to challenge them on anything.
Yes, That's probably true.... And the sad thing is that Mangini and even Myung seem to be part of those 'yes-men'.
If you ever repost some of the old bootlegs, please post that concert from 1998 (I believe it's from New York) when LaBrie sounds amasing. And you also posted last year a part of a concert from 2003 (I think it was from the "Escape from the Studio" tour - Queensryche were also there). They played "Under a glass moon" and LaBrie also sounded good, there.
Nico de Asteinza To say that "The Astonishing" is the best album of DT is like to say that "The Last Jedi" is the best Star Wars movie ever made.
he actually sings him unlike some,
and the score sound is really amazing but not without blame.
I always thought that James LaBrie sounded incredible on the Live at the Marquee from 1993.....until I read their biography and they admitted that his vocals were re-recorded in the studio for that album. :-(
Listen to other concert recordings from before 1994. Even if Marquee was re-recorded, he sounded just as good in every other live recording where there weren't any corrections.
there's a audience recorded bootleg from Live at the Marquee here on TH-cam, James sounds amazing there.
Sounds just like Score to me. No fake vocals here. 😎💫
Then you don't have a good enough ear to hear pitch correction.
All live dvds are touched up before releasing them lol DT isn’t the only band to do that. Your hate is invalid.
but many people use this DVD as a reference for being Labrie's best moment. If we go by your logic, then that means Labrie is nothing but some faker who relies on overdubs.
and? portnoy also points out in i think his drum cam version of score that petruccis guitar stops working at some point and they just re-recorded his parts later and added them in. so for like a minute somewhere theres no shots of petrucci because he is off switching out his guitar.
Gear failure =/= talent failure.
If you see the clip from the DVD and focus on his lips you can clearly see that they are not in sync. Clearly overdubbed. Even in Making of systematic chaos DVD he was struggling recording the Vocals. Vocalists who exposed their voice in higher pitches over the years lost it. Take example Brian from ACDC his voice weakened in a couple of years after joining the band.
That's not necessarily because the vocals are overdubbed. Score is terribly edited. A lot of shots are out of sync, most notably the drums. But considering they rerecorded some guitar parts because of equipment failure during the show (Petrucci mentioned this in some interview), they maybe also rerecorded some vocals.
It sounds great
It's a common thing for live albums and videos. Performances are not always perfect and they touch them up in the studio. Very few offical live releases are untouched. Hell, KISS Alive is more of a studio album than a live album.
Just noting some of your other posts in the list, seems you have quite an anti-Labrie bias, which makes it obvious why you singled out this instance of live album overdubbing over all the rest.
I think you're being overly generous by calling this "touching up," as if it's only a note here or there they fixed. Even if I just singled out an especially bad segment of the show, keep in mind it's LaBrie's defenders themselves who frequently cite Innocence Faded from this show as "proof" his vocals weren't all that bad by this time in the band.
Like this, for example, which also shows an ignorance of LaBrie's superior pre-food poisoning vocals:
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And using KISS (talentless posers) is setting the bar really low.
instead of defending the band (or Labrie) by putting out the excuse "other bands also tamper their DVD releases" you should be ashamed of it. It's like saying it's OK to lie because everybody's doing it
I see the same excuse for them auto-tuning LaBrie. "Other people do it." Woo! Way to set the bar as low as people like Katy Perry and Lady Gaga (who are maybe even using less auto-tune than LaBrie is by this point in his career). It's not like Dream Theater made a name for themselves as virtuosos or anything. JLB has been out-of-step with the other members of the band for a long time.
JayTor2112 No it is Alive II. Alive had a few overdubs but Alive II is the controversial live album with Paul singing lead and some backing tracks. Neat trick if you can pull it off. Also songs appear which weren't at the original gig so those are studio.
Maiden, Opeth and many others don't need to even do anything, all they do is pan the audio, a few other things, but this is too far
Lol this guy/girl have a vendetta against Labrie??😂😂
I'm not seeing/hearing where the vocals are autotuned/overdubbed? He sounds fine to me.
Sounds way out of tune. Are you really that tone deaf bro?
After looking through a lot of your comments, all i see is you replying to comments that agree with you, but never seem to bother arguing with people that have good points
Absolutely false to say that I don’t engage with critical commenters. There also, by definition, are no “good points” that can be made in defense of this. It’s lying. It’s a complete and willful misrepresentation of JL’s talent.
@@theravenskillrebelmilitia139 I've seen on many videos voice coaches that have commented about how at his age, expecting him to sing what he used to is impossible.
I've also seen you say how his singing is "bad" in this clip but not in the 90's, followed by this:
@theravenskillrebelmilitia139 because he was 10 years younger, without having suffered a vocal rupture, without 10 years of touring and constantly exposing his vocal folds through an amount of damage that very few singers can sustain without becoming voice-less. Singing stuff from Images and Words and Awake would destroy anybody's voice in the long term. You can tell that whoever wanted that high register back than (probably Portnoy) didn't know shit about vocals and how impossible it is to sing like that non-stop.
And in fact Labrie's voice started to crack way before the incident: you can already hear it in japan 1993, where he was way worse compared to the very start of the I&W tour during fall 1992. At the end of his very first tour with dream theater you could already hear the cracks and pops, which were both his fault (due to early bridging and in general to his technique being too harsh on his vocal folds) and the vocal damage that he had to sustain in order to sing like that
this explains why his singing isnt as good as it used to be. you seem to avoid things like these
@@williamtaylor2044 But how does it follow that Dream Theater must keep LaBrie, and resort to great deceptive lengths to keep propping him up, because his voice has worn out through a combination of the food poisoning incident, overuse, and aging? That is a total non-sequitur.
Labrie is amazing here,there is no soundfake
What the fuck is the problem? He sounds perfect!!!
As a huge dream theater fan, they are only a studio band for me. Score was the only live show where I was happy with his vocals, and now I find out how heavily it's been edited.
The rest of the band pretty much nails it live, it's only Labrie who's the studio member
LaBrie were ALWAYS the discussed member of DT. 1) Because he wasnt the original singer, despite we all liked better than Dominici; 2) Because we all knew, in Argentina in lates 90s that LaBrie had food poisoning incident during a tour; 3) Because after AWAKE the melodies lines declined a little bit specially live; 4) Because hes not as musical trained (like most of singers, hate to say this but its true) as his co-workers... that said, I think DT needs to drop tune at least a whole tone from the original songs of the early DT era, justo to help him a little.
Now, I quit listening to DT because I passed to listening other bands for many reasons. One was that LaBrie's type of voice, neither he was good or bad; I prefer singers like Jorn Lande, Allen, whos can growl a little; the other one was the departure of Portnoy.
He's just gettin old man.
Yes, DT really needs to tune down even more... _InsertNameHere_...
I saw Queensryche with Geoff Tate a decade or so... he didnt miss ONE NOTE... not one. He was more in pitch than the fucking band. Either you have it or you dont. LaBrie doesnt have it from a decade IMO
Please don't speak for me. I preferred Dominici over LaBrie any day. The songs on the first album had so much more feeling and passion, due to the warmth of Diminici's voice.
JLB was always discussed in the past, but most of the people disliked him at all, even in the records.
That was just a matter of opinion: many people doesn't like his voice or his style, never caring about his capability of sing during live concert.
But in the last few years, many people (like me) who always loved JLB as a studio singer and defended him for his live performance, changed their opinion.
Is Octavarium and Metropolis Pt 1 in Score 2006 also heavily overdubbed? I could swear I remember seeing an audience shoot of Octavarium back then and it seems completely identical to how it is in the DVD.
yeah, i already knew it since live at the budokan on train of thoughts tour years.
overdub, not autotune. Overdubs don't really matter though, the point is, in 2006 he WAS capable of singing this, just not live maybe as well.
Pretty much anything live that has been released as an album has post-processing, which is why they usually take months to release it after the performance. With that being said.... They did a fuckton of studio work on this one... He sounds terrible here, yet he sounds amazing on the live album... Not surprised tho
Not everything. It probably started around 1975 with "KISS Alive." CCR's Live In Europe record from 73 is rumored to be fake too. I love listening to bootlegs of bands because it tells you how they really sound.
@@theravenskillrebelmilitia139 yeah, I agree. I do not understand how people can say this sounds good, this is absolute dogshit.
What's your problem with JLB?
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He makes a living sabotaging a great band.
Score live without vocal tuner software.
Why isn't anyone bagging on the obvious pitch corrections on Petrucci and Portnoy? But seriously, he sounds pretty damn good to me. Sure, a couple of flat spots here and there and you go in and correct that.
Nothing wrong with the Glass Moon but on Innocence Faded, Labrie is missing the notes right in the face of Pettrucci.
I was at the show 12 rows back from stage. Lyrics sounded way different on the CD and DVD. However it was an incredible show and I still miss seeing Portnoy playing with the band
same vocals as the score dude, not saying it sounds great, but not bad either, if you listen to the score and this side to side you realize it is the same, but the sound quality does make a difference
It’s simply not true, it’s objective that the passage notes have been corrected. Still so precise on the higher notes, but in my opinion it kinda killed the hype for his Score performance. Still believing that in I&W and Awake he is one of the best singers ever lived.
Where'd this video come from? Haven't seen it before, pretty cool. I loved this dvd growing up
Labrie sucks. There's nothing we can do about it. Maybe if DT took some time off and he had some vocal chord corrective surgery or something (I don't even know if that exists), the most tragic part is watching any videos before 93 he was a complete BEAST, one of the great tragedies of metal history that fcking shrimp
I think it was beans...even worse.
This really isn't too bad of a fix up. Most bands do it anyway, and the raw audio is actually pretty good for a live show. Bear in mind that DT songs are harder to sing than the melodies appear; they're in a really awkward range a lot of the time (which is why James has so many issues maintaining vocal stamina through the long shows).
Now, Breaking the Fourth Wall is a lot more egregious on this front.
Coming from a video with the sound of the whole band and ambient it is pretty obvious that nothing sounds as if was well produced mixed and mastered. Neither Petrucci sounds as on the dvd
To be honest, I don't see a big problem here.: It's standard practice for all bands to edit and re-record bad parts of a live performance in the studio for a DVD/Blu-Ray release. You need to understand that a live release is not an exam to demonstrate the quality of the band's performances in front of the judges. The purpose of live releases is to convey the feelings and energy of the band's concert performance. And if a musicians or singer made mistakes during the performance, it would be stupid to leave it for release - it would just spoil the viewing experience for those who buy that DVD.
He is singing poorly here and it was dubbed, but don’t see the big deal behind it, everybody does it. And he usually sings without making playback, so it’s not that he does not even try. Just some bad concerts, and some fixing here and there to keep it releasable, totally normal procedure
I don't see any problem in this performance, maybe a few out of tune notes, but any singer might do so.
Two things can be true at once people.
1. James sucks in this video.
2. James sucks WAY WORSE nowadays.
There's no clue that the food poisoning ruined LB's career. Portnoy had more potential to develop, so he did the correct thing even when he didn't want to leave them.
the food poisoning incident is only a small part of his vocal decline and he could have actually recovered from it quickly. It was his unhealthy technique plus his (or the band's) stubbornness to keep on touring right after he blew his chords that made it worse and made the recovery take longer than usual.
That's called post production processesing. It's common. We know their talent. We don't need to judge them by that.
Voices worsen with time. It's nature. You can't help it. Especially with the range he sings in.
Just listen and enjoy man. Feel blessed that you're getting to hear them!
So that means that the only time that we hear Labrie legitimately doing well live (thanks to multiple audience footage) was during the ADOT and Along for the ride tour (2011-2014)?
I'm not sure I quite understand your comment. It's common knowledge that LaBrie could deliver live in 1992-1994 before the food poisoning thing, so are you referring to Live At Luna Park and Breaking The Fourth Wall specifically? I'm positive LaBrie's vocals are auto-tuned on BTFW. It's really obvious during Illumination Theory. As for LATP, I recall times during that where LaBrie's mouth doesn't line up with what you hear him singing. Bad editing, or proof of overdubbing?
You're right, I forgot about the 90's. I guess I should have written "the only time Labrie was doing well after the 90's and during the year 2000's"
LATL and BTFW are clearly overdubbed....and that explain why both DVD tooke MONTHS of editing before their release. It's impossible that James make bad performance almost every night, but he is almost perfect ONLY when he record DVD live :)
But I have a question: how could the food poisoning incident be justification even on the 2 subsequent decades? If you listen live of the very next years, you can hear that he almost restored his voice, even if it was a little bit scratching. How can people talk about 1994 incident when theid listen to JLB on 2007 or on 2015?
I don't think John was talking about just the two live DVD's from 2011-2014...the audience videos definitely showcase LaBrie in mostly good shape. Too bad it didn't continue into the last couple of tours.
exactly man, I didn't think of saying it properly. Labrie is still spotty in that period but at least he is nailing 80% of their shows during that time unlike now
It's overdubs on 'Score'?... I swear than i'll break my DVD!... ha ha haaaaaa
I honestly could care less if James used auto tune. Actually I'm happier if he uses it to stay closer to the fidelity of the song arrangements. It's still a great show.
The expression is "couldn't care less," and I'm surprised when I see Dream Theater fans who are apathetic about the use of auto-tune on LaBrie's vocals, because part of the band's image and appeal is that they are (supposedly) virtuosos who have mastered their respective instruments.
This same idiot, Dunford00, has remarked that anybody who doesn't like The Astonishing is a fascist who "can't hear music." Just two days ago, he was spouting a bunch of (fake) hippie utopian garbage about how The Astonishing has "healing powers," and now we see that his "peace and love" persona is nothing but an act. I think it's time to use the block button.
The Ravenskill Rebel Militia Thank you for the correction sir. Even as a Reading teacher I am humble enough to acknowledge my grammatical errors.
I though Dream Theater were about the music and being able to play high level progressive metal...
+Alan Alanis I, as well, could (not) care less about the pitch corrections. The real issue is that some things just don't sound good, no matter how on-pitch a singer sings it. Example: 7:53 - 8:01. Now listen to the studio recording on Awake. It still sounds disgusting even after all the pitch correcting was done. Good vocals aren't just about pitch; they're just as much about having good tone.
Man...Portnoy was ON 🔥🔥🔥
Any news about the Budokan 2017 Pro-Shot ?
I've had it for a couple months now. LaBrie sounds awful of course. Mangini sounds better than he has for a few years, but then Myung sounds absolutely ANEMIC in the mix. I don't know if DT themselves are going to be releasing it, or if it was just meant for Japanese TV.
Thanks for your answer. I asked, because I'm looking for this live for weeks on the Internet, impossible to find. :)
The Ravenskill Rebel Militia Where can I find it?
Not as bad as most people here complain about. He used to give significantly worse performances than this. Specifically in this video there are not so many blunders, and the ears bleed exclusively by “cocks” in the second couplet of Innocence Faded.
Hasn't this kind of shit been going on with lots of other bands since forever? I remember Kiss produced a live album where admitted they it sounded like shit when they recorded their live performances, so they had to retouch it in post production.
I'd take flawed DT's flawed live performance over studio-perfect productions of mumble rap, billie eilish, slipknot, limp bizkit, metallica, etc.
I wonder this guy that has such a hard on for putting LaBrie down so often realizes that most "live DVD's" go through a "post production" to tune it up? From the actual colors of the lights, to vocals, instruments even audience "cheers" at times. Not sure why this guy is such a hater and feels that his only mission in life (which really isn't a life) is to go on youtube and share his feelings of how jealous he is of James LaBrie, cause that's all I'm getting from these, is this guy is extremely obsessed w/ trying to push hate for LaBrie, which has to stem only from a deep rooted jealousy..
We all know he is shit nowadays. But this performance is allright for me. Doesn't hurt while listening. Today is 400% worse.
fuck yeah, LaBrie sounds so good, shut up if you don't like
The camera bootleg represented James’ fake and normal voice while the official DVD release represented James’ post-production and fixed voice
Labrie is the weakest link.
What proof do you have that this was actually in the Score concert?
Because it's a well-known bootleg which has circulated for years among DT fans. Clothing, venue all match the Score gig. Portnoy tried stopping its spread, probably because it reveals how fudged LaBrie's vocals were on the DVD.
@@theravenskillrebelmilitia139 Is there more to the bootleg that's available to view somewhere? I'd like to see what else is hidden from us as Score is my favorite DT live album. I'm not experienced in the whole bootleg finding thing.
I remember years ago, a buddy told me to check out Score cause Labrie sounded awesome. I now know that was a lie.
Impossibru!!!!!!!!!! Your phone camera/microphone is out of tune. Rock Gods are never wrong!!!!!
Just kidding, but good to know he's only human I guess. Of course they're going to edit/master the fuck out of something before it gets released TO MAKE MONEY, that's the whole effing point!
I still don't like the bloke though, really irritates me for some reason, not just as a vocalist.
Almost every live album is overdubbed. Hell half of them have the vocals completely re-recorded (Judas Priest 1979, Van Halen 1992). If I were in that crowd in NYC I wouldn’t be disappointed by his performance.
Last year as a vocalist,after that just an unprofessional guy and pain for ears.And even here we can sing that his voice so unpowerful...i don't know how i can describe this.
LOL yeah obviously. But I would rather have well done re-recorded vocals rather than absolute garbage like ANYTHING from Chaos In Motion.
It's called overdubs and it's not unusual. No, it's not autotune, it's recorded over in the studio. It's not the whole dvd, but a big part of it.
Go to the Score version of The Root Of All Evil and listen carefully to the second verse. The first half of the second verse is overdubbed, the second half is the live recording. You'll notice the change once you know it.
Sounds good from this lame ass phone! Haters LOL
O think Thiago profile belongs to Portnoy hahaha
Well, I AM a fan of Dream Theater, and I don't "comment" much, but I'd like to say I like the band and their music, and I don't give a rip what they did to get the sound right. But some of you "other" so-called DT "fans" are just downright nasty. Please shut up or go away.
How do you prove it though? I’m definitely not arguing, but this is just the recording with no proof. Again, not arguing, I agree LaBrie sucks now
Wow!! Very off pitch!!