It's fine though because all the factory factory factories have an abstract base class called AbstractFactoryFactoryFactoryBase that makes it super easy to implement your own FactoryFactoryFactory
So if i need a custom hammer. I build MyHammerFactory, then a MyFactoryFactory that can also build a MyHammerFactory and a MyFactoryFactoryFactory to build the MyFactoryFactory that can build myHammerFactory so I get my hammer? I wouldn't build it any other way
You know what they say. "If all you have is a Hammer Factory Factory Factory, then everything looks like a nail." Also i think I can hear Grug reaching for his club in the distance. May god have mercy on that poor employees soul.🙏
This reminds me of when i wanted to learn React, and i wanted to first realise why it is used in the first place. I might not get any resource about what state was, but i sure as hell knew that React state was used to manage state(even though i couldn't find what that state even was then...)
The dilemma of having to choose between: - Spend 1 day, to learn how to design the hammer myself - Spend 5 days, learning the hammer framework that will become deprecated by next week. Tech illiterate Management: _"All our competitors use the framework, so we should to!"_ Also Management: _"Why is it taking so long?"_
That's good business advice, sell Kubernetes cluster, CI/CD pipelines, agile methods and UI-/AI-frameworks instead of software people can actually use. Writing software is so 2010.
And 2 certifications to actually make it public available through a plethora of firewalls and gateways you don't even know why you need, but you do, according to the Kubernetes expert your company hired
- Oh no. That's a poor man's DI. We don't do that anymore... - Should I put everything into containers then? - We had those, but they're too simiilar to service locator, which is known anti-pattern, so we used this cool reflection feature... - What if I use interface reference? - That's not a problem. You see, there are these things called annotations, where... - But I don't know which implementation to use yet - Of course. This is why you sometimes need a dependency-map.xml configuration file - They're kinda hard to read... - I know, right? Our framework has this CLI command that will show everything in bautifully formatted output. Beside that, there's this IDE plugin, already built-in. - What if I need to select implementation at runtime based on, let's say, user input? - Oh there are many ways to do that: conditional annotations, factory qualifier injections... you should look at our documentation. - Sounds complicated. - It becomes super easy when you learn how to do it. - Couldn't I just make an if statement in my... - We've been through this already, Sir. If you want to question industry standards I suggest you look for something else. We're embracing SOLID IoC, domain-driven rapid development - we're talking real work here, not some theoretical academic solutions for "architecture astronauts"
As an escapee from Java this was traumatizing. No wonder I foolishly cling to my own vanilla JS functions rather than opening a similar door to the Modern Web App Dev "easy reusability" nightmare...
the thing is in js world when someone get to know the underlying concept they tend to get to know the underlying problems also and if someone can use base tools to create apps they eventually build a framework of there own with whole other abstractions and now we have a js gaddon so when something like react gives an abstraction we love to hate it as we know something that its not venilla js performancet but when we try the base hammer we need to handle thousands of issues other than which we knew about as we need to know type of right hammer for the task so framework may be bad but provide a one stop factoryfactoryfactory for new commers to start with as most of us in js world mostly arn't creating basic blogs
That was the part I was expecting, when the dude says "fuck it, I'm buying the spice rack", but it turns out that the ones that are available either are not able to hold as many flask as you need, or are to big to fit the kitchen, so you either buy flasks that are able to fit multiple spices or make a hole in your wall (aka: terrible workarounds), and so on...
O my.... agree, and ALL OF THAT NIGHTMARE, just to get a damn microservice arch online that serves 1000 users/min or even less..... Can we just install a debian OS into a toaster and call it a day? please?
My takeaway is don’t listen to the guy at hammer factory factory store and do what makes sense for your project. If it sounds complex it probably is. Grug is your sage here.
I have a different analogy. Solving simple problems with a framework is like hammering nails with a microscope. Framework is like a school lab microscope. A sophisticated tool. But it's also heavy with a very hard and steady base. You can hammer your nails with it. But will it be efficient?
@@tonyhart2744 Every time I use any web framework in Go I regret it immediately. There's no need to do this. All I need is a set of lightweight libraries and each of them works like a scalpel: clean, precise, and only what I need from it.
OK, can I get a basic subsrciption to your HFFFaaS solution on the per request billing mechanism, and I agree to a $20 per request/response pair fee, for any of your basic prebuilt object definitions?
I use the ball peen on my forehead, and learn to use memory management different. Why collect trash in my head for later when I can just hit myself on the head and learn to use memory efficiently? Rust... it's the ball peen hammer and factory builder rolled into one, and it generates docs for me.
Yep, and guess what!? it is actually the main AI business model, train those things to do specialized subtasks that are part of other tasks, that are part of..... (You can keep going)
Look I don't know if anyone has ever found a real need to have general purpose factory factory factory, but if they did... god what kind of monstrocity did you build?
Damn the frontend space seems to be so convoluted. Abstraction should be used to make data access layers so you can swap code without hard refactoring. And make it easy when you do refactor, not make it a complicated clusterfuck
As an escapee from Java this was traumatizing. No wonder I cling to my own vanilla JS functions rather than opening a similar door to the Modern Web App Dev nightmare...
One unrelated comment: I will salute you if you put a series of easy and short tutorials to teach JS, HTML and CSS for folks who are interested but have no idea where to start. You know, so let others know. No offence, please 🙏
Prime's content is targeted at more experienced devs. There is a wealth of information available for folks to learn js, html, css. The most important thing is that you pick some resource, course, project, whatever and follow it through to the end.
hammers as a service
Modern software business
New merch: HAAS
😂
Bring your nails and wood over to our facilities and we'll hammer it in, for the low low price of 0.50€ per swing 🙃
It's fine though because all the factory factory factories have an abstract base class called AbstractFactoryFactoryFactoryBase that makes it super easy to implement your own FactoryFactoryFactory
Wayland
So if i need a custom hammer. I build MyHammerFactory, then a MyFactoryFactory that can also build a MyHammerFactory and a MyFactoryFactoryFactory to build the MyFactoryFactory that can build myHammerFactory so I get my hammer? I wouldn't build it any other way
@@test-zg4hv I mean otherwise how I do make my custom hammer 😂😂😭
Make it a singleton!
To keep it simple.
The rust gqlcrate names objects exactly like this CreateAppSubscriptionCreateAppSubscriptionCurrentSubscriptionMetafield
it's like the old saying: "All problems in computer science can be solved by another level of indirection"
- David J. Wheeler
It’s like that, but 71 times longer.
I've only ever heard that with "except the problem of too many levels of indirection"
@@SimonBuchanNz that part is not always added. i think that it detracts from the saying, because it's too vague and makes it long
Joey Wheeler quit yugioh to be a computer scientist? That's an unexpected development.
@@xybersurfer no, without that part, you lose the entire purpose of the thing
You know what they say. "If all you have is a Hammer Factory Factory Factory, then everything looks like a nail."
Also i think I can hear Grug reaching for his club in the distance. May god have mercy on that poor employees soul.🙏
Factory shamans will not be happy if grug learns about them
@@Mglunafh I grug support in his shaman search. When no hammer present, factory no, hard, use rock instead.
Wouldn’t it be “Everything looks like a hammer factory factory”?
nail.nail.nail[0]
@@JesseGilbride rock.rock[420].rock[69].while(nail => nail.hit)
Can’t wait for post-modern software development
Performance is just a social construct actually.
You can define your own performance in work and in software.
If anyone tells you your software is slow that's discrimination.
Lol
@@SEOTADEODamn, you made me LOL in real life. Your comment is too damn good to be buried here!
@@SEOTADEO😂
"ChatGPT, build me a spice rack!"
"Looks crooked."
"Good enough..."
JDSL is my only framework
Tom approved
Tom es un genio
Would Tom the Genius think to have a general purpose JdslBuildingFactoryFactoryFactoryInterpreterFlyweightBuilder?
@@SimGunther I think in JDSL you call it a refinery, not factory. Would need to check with Tom.
TomSingleton == GeniusFactory
This reminds me of when i wanted to learn React, and i wanted to first realise why it is used in the first place. I might not get any resource about what state was, but i sure as hell knew that React state was used to manage state(even though i couldn't find what that state even was then...)
I remember hearing about "state management" and could not figure out what the deck is that supposed to be.
and all of that shouldn't even exist because React is stupid and not functional and stores the state inside the freaking component
The dilemma of having to choose between:
- Spend 1 day, to learn how to design the hammer myself
- Spend 5 days, learning the hammer framework that will become deprecated by next week.
Tech illiterate Management: _"All our competitors use the framework, so we should to!"_
Also Management: _"Why is it taking so long?"_
This went beyond semantic satiation and now the word Factory means *too* much to me
When you look into the factory the factory looks back
"So there is documentation right?.....(menacingly raises ball-peen hammer)..
He'd have to figure out how to use the general-purpose tool-building factory factory factory first
I raise my balls and peen
Underrated comment
That's good business advice, sell Kubernetes cluster, CI/CD pipelines, agile methods and UI-/AI-frameworks instead of software people can actually use. Writing software is so 2010.
It also kinda reminded me of needing to get a PhD in AWS just to deploy a hello world
And 2 certifications to actually make it public available through a plethora of firewalls and gateways you don't even know why you need, but you do, according to the Kubernetes expert your company hired
Man, this article is such a blast from the past.
- Oh no. That's a poor man's DI. We don't do that anymore...
- Should I put everything into containers then?
- We had those, but they're too simiilar to service locator, which is known anti-pattern, so we used this cool reflection feature...
- What if I use interface reference?
- That's not a problem. You see, there are these things called annotations, where...
- But I don't know which implementation to use yet
- Of course. This is why you sometimes need a dependency-map.xml configuration file
- They're kinda hard to read...
- I know, right? Our framework has this CLI command that will show everything in bautifully formatted output. Beside that, there's this IDE plugin, already built-in.
- What if I need to select implementation at runtime based on, let's say, user input?
- Oh there are many ways to do that: conditional annotations, factory qualifier injections... you should look at our documentation.
- Sounds complicated.
- It becomes super easy when you learn how to do it.
- Couldn't I just make an if statement in my...
- We've been through this already, Sir. If you want to question industry standards I suggest you look for something else. We're embracing SOLID IoC, domain-driven rapid development - we're talking real work here, not some theoretical academic solutions for "architecture astronauts"
As an escapee from Java this was traumatizing.
No wonder I foolishly cling to my own vanilla JS functions rather than opening a similar door to the Modern Web App Dev "easy reusability" nightmare...
hilarious article with a vital point imo
Awesome article.... needed that laugh!
the thing is in js world when someone get to know the underlying concept they tend to get to know the underlying problems also and if someone can use base tools to create apps they eventually build a framework of there own with whole other abstractions and now we have a js gaddon so when something like react gives an abstraction we love to hate it as we know something that its not venilla js performancet but when we try the base hammer we need to handle thousands of issues other than which we knew about as we need to know type of right hammer for the task so framework may be bad but provide a one stop factoryfactoryfactory for new commers to start with as most of us in js world mostly arn't creating basic blogs
Of the 3 factory levels, I get the levels 1 & 3, but it's that sneaky level 2 that can be a little rough to dive into.
I can't believe we had a whole video about factory factory factories without sh*tting on Java. What has the world come to?
The conclusion is like "Apply first principle thinking also to software development"
Welcome to over-abstraction, I hope you have enjoyed your stay!
Did the guy manage to build his rack in the end or went straight to IKEA?
I am staring to think IKEA may be involved in these factory factories.
That was the part I was expecting, when the dude says "fuck it, I'm buying the spice rack", but it turns out that the ones that are available either are not able to hold as many flask as you need, or are to big to fit the kitchen, so you either buy flasks that are able to fit multiple spices or make a hole in your wall (aka: terrible workarounds), and so on...
someone at work did make some library on C# and asked us to use it, but he has no documentations LOL
I have known this post in a while and it's so accurate lmao
Reminder that programmers are neurotic maniacs and if you are not one yet do not worry the mental damage is piling up
I am sad that all software development has turned into this.
why is youtube just people reading websites now
1:35 that took a dark turn
It's funny because my interpretation was that this was about terraform/kubernetes/helm/etc. FE dev is *easy* compared to that nightmare.
O my.... agree, and ALL OF THAT NIGHTMARE, just to get a damn microservice arch online that serves 1000 users/min or even less.....
Can we just install a debian OS into a toaster and call it a day? please?
Each have their strengths
This was absolutely hilarious!
My takeaway is don’t listen to the guy at hammer factory factory store and do what makes sense for your project. If it sounds complex it probably is. Grug is your sage here.
This is gold
Clerk: "...And if you want to kill someone, there's really no substitute for a ball-peen hammer."
Me: "*Ball Pein...."
Clerk: "What?"
Me: "What?"
It's not only frontend development, it's web development 😢 I'm lost, didn't code for a while.
I have a different analogy. Solving simple problems with a framework is like hammering nails with a microscope.
Framework is like a school lab microscope. A sophisticated tool. But it's also heavy with a very hard and steady base. You can hammer your nails with it. But will it be efficient?
idk man, every web framework in go and rust is pretty effecient
@@tonyhart2744 Give it a couple of years.
@@tonyhart2744 Every time I use any web framework in Go I regret it immediately. There's no need to do this. All I need is a set of lightweight libraries and each of them works like a scalpel: clean, precise, and only what I need from it.
People actually don't want hammers. All they want is hammer blows!
Sounds like a backend service XD
i like that this was shorter than normal. The ball peen hammer thing cmud
I'm trying to figure out how one builds a factory factory without a hammer
Simple. You just use the factory factory factory to give you the factory factory you want.
you find a stone to use as a substitute hammer
Take a shot every time the word "hammer" is mention.
2:58 this is the same as the promise of cloud solutions 😂
Should have signed off as the factoryigain
The majority of websites could still PHP. There I said it.
The majority still are
OK, can I get a basic subsrciption to your HFFFaaS solution on the per request billing mechanism, and I agree to a $20 per request/response pair fee, for any of your basic prebuilt object definitions?
This video is so hilarious i didnt realize Ive been watching at 1.5x speed)))
Then these factory factory schema factory seller start scratching their heads when buyer simply opt to just buy a hammer (HTMX).
lol u made my day, thank you! 😂
3:15 "Por qué Maríaaaaaa...DB?" 🤪
I use the ball peen on my forehead, and learn to use memory management different. Why collect trash in my head for later when I can just hit myself on the head and learn to use memory efficiently? Rust... it's the ball peen hammer and factory builder rolled into one, and it generates docs for me.
The secret? The dark lord, of course!
tfw using a hammer is to implement your web server in assembly
STOP.. HAMMER TIME!
Ah yes, Fizzbuzz Enterprise.
It's only a matter of time until they start selling FactoryFactoryFactoryFactories that produce FactoryFactoryFactories for common tasks.
Yep, and guess what!?
it is actually the main AI business model, train those things to do specialized subtasks that are part of other tasks, that are part of..... (You can keep going)
Look I don't know if anyone has ever found a real need to have general purpose factory factory factory, but if they did... god what kind of monstrocity did you build?
😂where does he get these articles?
At that point you may as well get a shed factoryFactory.
Damn the frontend space seems to be so convoluted. Abstraction should be used to make data access layers so you can swap code without hard refactoring. And make it easy when you do refactor, not make it a complicated clusterfuck
As an escapee from Java this was traumatizing.
No wonder I cling to my own vanilla JS functions rather than opening a similar door to the Modern Web App Dev nightmare...
for some reason I fill like I'm talking with a C++ expert
This hits a bit too close to home
If this exact thing happened in real life, I would tell the sales person to fuck off and leave lmao
Factory is like my python variable
Reason why tailwind css code looks ugly, but you're really better off with it than to customize your classes.
Who uses a hammer and nails? You use screws and a driver.
I love prime. That is all i have to say. That is the end of the comment.
It's factories all the way down
Always has been
oh god gimme just one second ... I really need to puke right now
Fffactory is what the cool kids call it nowadays.
Factorio.
The concretogen
2 cents, next time just post the link and call it a day
I just.... Love it! Factory Factory Factory for Factory factory Factory.....🤡
Factory stopped sounding like a word half way through this video
One unrelated comment: I will salute you if you put a series of easy and short tutorials to teach JS, HTML and CSS for folks who are interested but have no idea where to start. You know, so let others know. No offence, please 🙏
Prime's content is targeted at more experienced devs. There is a wealth of information available for folks to learn js, html, css. The most important thing is that you pick some resource, course, project, whatever and follow it through to the end.
I recommend watching webdevsimplified and kevin powell for that content
a ball-peen killer take
factory
glue and nails are for losers, use joints
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This kind of software development is gae. We need to actively do something about it.
Java and it's consequences