Vocal Coach Reacts to MC Cheung vs Hins Cheung｜國外聲樂老師對比 張天賦 張敬軒《酷愛》舞台
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係張敬軒 終於！這個會員值了！❤
堅，作為軒仔fans，終於喺呢個channel見到評皇上
終於等到！係張敬軒！
值得更多人認識既香港男歌手
最好嘅歌星
終於有軒公！香港朋友識做啦，刷爆個view rate佢！❤❤❤
張敬軒❤他真的是一個很棒的歌手！這個酷愛是2014年演唱會唱的，後來他學唱歌後唱歌唱得更加好，岀道多年一直力求進步真的很難得，證明他有多愛唱歌☺️
酷愛的幾個演唱會版本都應該要一起看, 全部都很出色 ❤
外國人老師非常到位，也很比面MC了，無論咬字，音色，旋律，和動感，兩者一開口便立杆見影，張敬軒咬字清晰，廣東話係有字頭、主音和字尾的，衹要把字咬好（不一定l00%咬準，但起碼不是斬頭斬尾），個音色基本上已差不多，自動會有立體感和有音韻（MC的，差不多每個字都是很扁很乾瀝的感覺，唱得很吃力和牽強，和欠缺共鳴）
建議認為張敬軒是較MC多了十幾年的舞臺經驗，才會唱得較好的，不妨去找找張敬軒剛出道時的作品再聽聽和比較，音樂不是單純經驗的，最大因素是較天份和努力
聲底厚是唱歌其中一個先天條件，並不是香港樂壇的偏好，世上有一個聲底不厚的頂級歌唱家嗎？聲底厚也不是直接跟低音拉上等號，無論中、高、低音域，都是需要要求有一副厚、靚而有圓音的聲底，香港也不乏有一副靚高音唱粵語流行典之人!相反，擁有一副靚低音的，反而少之又少
流行典樂風（Pop style）和戲劇典風樂（ Theatrical style）是两者不可相提並論的樂風，兩者沒有比較性，純粹是個人偏好，是MC這個作品實在是稍遜，就算不跟張敬軒比，單純是以他自己這個作品作為評價，假如是在歌唱比賽，就可以讓評審扣了很多分（咬字、音準、vibe 、groove、melodic movement 和timbres都欠缺）!
這位很有料的外國老師，在不懂廣東話的情況下，單憑聲樂的領域中，便聽到MC的弊端和對張敬軒褒獎有加，不是沒有原因的，她在片頭中說“两位都是好歌手”，其實衹是客套說話，在她之後對兩者的評語中，才見真章，假如她懂粵語，我相信她對MC的評語，就不會是那麼客氣了
但西方音樂人不一定很喜歡咬字太清晰或準確
軒公係一個藝術家。近期的演唱會設計都似一套歌劇咁，非常賞心悦目。係一個難得的音樂人。
好鐘意睇你地節目，但發現每次問到歌詞部分都很隨意帶過，希望如果可以再study一下歌詞的涵意，對讀者同老師的分析都更好！
「難道愛愛愛愛愛對愛情已死心」，其實更應解作「try try try try try」每一個愛字都係一次投入感情的嘗試和受傷的失敗，
短而急速的疊字同時代表每一段感情都短而急速，經歷循環重覆，
所以才會有下一句「貪高興好心敷衍一下卻逼真的親吻」及「我對愛情已死心」。
林夕的詞，情境意皆佳！
好期待春秋！！！！ 多點給老師聽張敬軒☺️☺️☺️
春秋+1😂
春秋+1
春秋
春秋！
餘震～
其實呢個已經係“舊版本”。張敬軒嘅唱功已經又進步了。
唔可以話係舊版本，係唔同版本，佢次次酷愛都唔同唱法
呢次酷愛永遠都係最神嘅live,張敬軒而家唱功同2014一樣咁好,衹係講過唱腔變咗啲
張敬軒 如果要挑剔 😂就係太藝術 無限完美 同一首歌 唔同場合 都有耳目一新的感覺 佢既音樂造詣 加聲線 表演都係極至的 外藉老師也大讚他 就知他的實力是國際級的
謝謝老師點評張敬軒，我們香港樂迷期待十分榮幸呀
應該將張敬軒最新演唱會嘅酷愛都放埋一齊做評價
同意
同意
中樂版最jeng
2023 倫敦演唱會
可能佢地跟唔到咁貼。
雖然我都好中意軒公14年既酷愛, 但都已經10年前了, 唔可以俾近期少少既?
佢呢10年既唱功更更更進步架！
見到有人讚軒公好開心, 有種好prond of 既感覺☺
@@aliceli5528 proud
2024 Las Vegas Caesars concert前幾日new version都好正
呢位老師都勁，唔算聽得唔多廣東話歌曲，但就發現到廣東話樂壇成日都追求聲音較man嘅/較厚嘅偏好，尤其喺香港，聲底厚已經等於好聽等於識唱歌（例子：魏浚笙）對於聲音偏高嘅男歌手，好似周深、青峰嗰種tone香港係唔多接受的
極端例子，陳小春😂
@@Ohohohoh_即刻唱番首相依為命先？😂
唔識你講嗰兩位，但真係一search 周深即刻熄機！如果係吳青峰可以😂
多聽周深，青峰嘅歌就知道佢地唱功好厲害
冇錯，要聲底厚聽林子祥就夠，夠力，音域最闊
為什麼我喜歡Rozette老師，無論是怎樣的歌手她都很用心去分析，不會因為歌手有名氣或沒有名氣就不斷歌頌或褒貶
他，這是非常難得的行為❤
cool….thanks🙂 enjoyed it much !
張敬軒出第一隻碟時很喜歡他，到了中段麻麻哋，最近先開始經常再聽佢啲歌！
佢把聲好聽而且唱歌令人好有共鳴！
佢真係好神奇，可以有3段高峰，而家仲有新歌可以繼續咁受歡迎
當兩位放在一起聽、感覺上張敬軒的「愛愛愛愛愛」每一個愛字都像是有不同意思的
@@nikolaskaming2808 从腼腆的爱，到极致愤怒的爱
Exactly! And ‘love’ in Cantonese also has its ‘verb’ or ‘noun’ meaning ..
I am a HK songwriter who writes more in the western pop style and I would like to reply and assure some of things Rozette mentioned.
Yes I totally see how the repetition of the main hook reminisce western pop writing style. It is fairly uncommon for canto pop songs to have such repetition on the same note as cantonese has 9 tones (some said 6), making it especially hard to write lyrics for a melody with same note repeating. And this song solves it with using the same word "愛" (love). Also when Rozette sings the melody with made up english lyrics in the video demonstrating her point, it reminds me of 2000s RnB riffs, further supporting the point.
On the "macho" thing, I think it is true that we glorify male singers with deeper, thicker voices. And i believe part of it is a cultural preference as pointed out in the video. As for the past 20+ years, a majority of the canto pop songs for male singers have themes surrounding unrequited love and love-hurts, the deeper voice seems to be favoured under this narrative.
As a person from HK, it is also very joyful and inspiring to see people from other culture be excited and interested in our culture, while providing new perspective onto ourselves as well. Thank you for the video!
He is not only a singer, but a musician ❤.
原來有咁多香港人睇呢個節目, 支持多d香港歌手
都好多架😂
是張敬軒！！！！！很久以前就一直在等了 終於點評他了😢還是最經典的酷愛2014version 希望下次可以點評《故園花茶》（2011版本）雖然冷門但是真的是封神的現場
推
推故園花茶 2020年版也可以
推！！
He’s now doing a tour in Vegas, Lincoln and Vancouver (Jul -Aug 2024), you won’t be disappointed in his live performance!
一路咁多肢體動作，一路唱一首咁高難度嘅歌曲都演譯得咁出色，張敬軒真係超有實力
聽咗老師三度評論MC，我更加明白自己點解鍾意聽佢唱歌：發音清晰之餘，又帶有唱英文歌嘅柔軟度，融合咗中西特色，聽佢唱廣東歌、國語歌同英文歌都好舒服。
MC真係唱咩都好有自己style 而且carry到好多曲風，連難度極高的酷愛都好聽(當時出道半年而已
MC 參加 #做星1比賽 唱嘅國語歌曲 我以為是他原唱 ！好聽到不敢大吸氣！ 公司應該快點幫MC 出國語歌曲MC優點更多人認識！
MC確實是近年不錯的一個香港男歌手。
Thanks for the comments on Hins work .
He is a fabulous Cantonese song singer.
希望可以 评一下 他的 騷靈情歌啊
Please react to Hins 騷靈情歌 live in 2014 passion 🙏🙏🙏
+1
一定要！
+100
+1
+1
Hins is one of the few Hong Kong singers who can do rifts & runs in Cantonese songs & he does it very well.
軒公的歌藝一直在進步中，這段片算舊，有一段最新的是他穿著黑色羽毛披肩、紅色西裝外套，在那入面他唱得更具層次，更震撼更深刻❤
老師也可以聽，音樂同歌詞更西化，一定會更加喜歡🎉
影片是2014年個人比較喜歡軒公的聲音。經過了10年後，感到現在歌聲比那時更柔滑穩定。讓我會留意他反而是櫻花樹下😊歌曲舒服耐聽。酷愛總讓我想起吳浩康的先入為主😂也是有不斷重複句子而紅起來。
如果選粵語美聲低音女歌手，覺得梅艷芳暫時沒人能相比。梅姐和哥哥合唱歌曲，特別是芳華絕代一曲都充滿強大氣場，至今仍很難被超越。雖然離去那麼多年，總覺得他們仍與大家常在令人難已忘記。
張敬軒值得更多人認識與認同
張敬軒每個版本都有唔同感覺 ❤
愛死軒公！終於有他了！！
他有太多神曲，希望未來還可以看到！
將愛字重覆唱幾次，
在廣東話語感上有種：「成日講愛愛愛愛愛，最後咪得個講字」的感覺
這是一種很香港人口語的表現方式
有一點點只可意會，很難說明的感覺
這正是廣東話特別、精妙之處👍🏼⋯⋯需要從生活中感受
真 唔知點解其他個兩個人解釋唔到 不如佢地準備地英文詞同詮釋先
@@brid101286 haha, 都無話點解ge, 一時間講唔出好正常
畢竟我地係睇片，可以㩒停，有好多思考時間
而且如果你叫我用英文翻譯我上面過段說話，我覺得我唔會翻譯得好😂
好期待下一期 春秋🤭🤭🤭
@@brid101286 旁邊個2位好似唔係香港人
i appreciate you guys reacting this song and congratulations on the channel follower over 400 thousand
望穿秋水終於有軒公了,感謝 jkai 大哥,辛苦了
Hin is among one of the best in Hong Kong.And this was one of his best performance.❤
廣東話係好搞笑好特別㗎。
愛愛愛愛愛…… 極少語言會咁玩法❤🎉
無可否認14年版太經典太強大
chill club版好難比得上
冇人提到MV版嘅酷愛
原版係節奏感好重 編曲都好western 唱法都比較輕同比較pop
老師應該會更喜歡 好可惜不太多人識欣賞原曲設計
而且一段RAP 一段副歌重覆果種效果好正
@@albusbasketball3312 原曲當年勁hit，點會冇人欣賞
First time listen to this song. I really like the original arrangement and the "love" part sounds better in the original.
edit: after listening to the CD version, I realized how MC did the "love" parts is like in the CD. In this case I like the Hins' concert version. I like how he didn't fully repeat all of the "love" words in the same way.
喜歡這首歌 居然出現了!
Hins is a real artist, he keeps improving himself and would not sing like a CD, he can perform differently with good elements on the same song every time.
酷愛正不斷進化！最新個版本真係有升級既感覺！本人最愛中樂嗰個版本！❤我愛張敬軒！🥰
MC 同軒公 都係我最愛 一見到立即入黎睇😍
最近幾年軒仔技術再上一層樓🎉🎉🎉
The original of this song has a lot more rifts. Because he sang it for hundreds of times, he changed it completely for this concert version 😅
香港男歌手頂流之一❤️🔥，期待下次reaction 🤘🏻
張敬軒這演唱會看起來很嗨欸！不管唱得怎樣，光是能到現場看就值回票價了吧！
軒公❤佢真係實力派唱歌又正，值得更多人認識佢，新版本酷愛唱功更上一層樓❤
老師的耳真強 愛愛愛愛愛 發音很準
The repetition of the word “love” in this song is to emphasise the intensity of the emotions. The more “love” mentioned, the stronger the emotions.😊
5 “love” at same note represent someone always saying love by mouth , clumpsy but not real heart
其實兩個都好，mc只是還原致敬CD的唱法,一般聽開的唱法，張是在演唱會，在說故事！更不可能 Copy聽了十多年前的CD版本，但CD版本就是要㩒聽....兩個都好，張是比mc出道多十幾年舞台演繹當然要更勝一籌
資料補充:
MC酷愛cover時間: 2021年10月，岀道半年
軒公酷愛表演:2014年演唱會，岀道13年
Okay, I understand what she meant by the staccato way of singing. So yes MC makes it flow more and Hins makes it more staccato probably to a western ears. However, we like the way ppl sing in that "staccato" way bc we can understand the words better in Cantonese. It's usually call "lazy tone" if we hear a person not pronouncing the words properly in Cantonese.
I think it would be interesting to show the vocal coach older cantonese songs from the 80s/90s to see if she still thinks it's staccato. Bc I think in recent years, many lyricist tend to put a lot of words in a song. For example, in Kay Tse's song "鍾無艷" each note is a word and I'll probably be out of breathe singing it. And I think the amount of words also contribute to that 'staccato' feeling.
竟然終於輪到張敬軒😂
Looking forward to having more videos reacting on Hins Cheung!! "The Prime Classics" in London was also a great concert.
他們貴為當今香港最紅最top最唱得兩位男歌手，兩個都很好很有特色，一首咁全面嘅歌令他們使出內里不同的絕技及特點，非常好❤
Greetings from Hong Kong! 🇭🇰
I had been watching your vids for a while but never commented >_<
Thank you for you great work and it’s a nice feeling for me to see my little home city being exposed to the foreign countries
終於等到軒公嘞！！期待可以評軒公其他歌 ❤❤❤ 多謝老師😘
终于有这位港乐的中流砥柱出现。
Hins , a true artist. talented, Very knowledgeable，very polite, good manners, he like musical.
Hins+ Ivana show is really great too
watch more on Hins, might love him more . XD
Hins is probably the most popular male singer in Hong Kong now, he has awesome range and vocal resonance
I agree with the girl about their tones. Regarding this song, I like MC's version better. I think this song should be a fast one which is actually more gripping. The slow and theatrical version of this song is a bit boring. The arrangement of the song can be better.
The two hosts are actually familiar with the cultural differences between Mandarin and cantonese songs. They both can speak the languages as well. Knowledgeable enough to provide the background information of the two singers ...all these did help the critic to give fairer comments of their performances.
I love this song so thanks for picking it. Appreciate the great efforts made for the high quality video. Cantonese songs rock!!
One small suggestion is that if the songs can be listened to without too many pauses,you can actually feel the vibes and appreciate their skills better.
雖然不是軒公的歌，但佢係music panda唱鯨落都超好聽❤🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
我因為佢地嗰次join 咗，不過之後就無乜特別啱心水了，好少開
Recommend to put all 酷愛 version together, as each one seems like different version and most of fans love all at all. I love the 2014 version the most!
This is one of the songs that made me fell in love with Hins as he could express how painful the lover being suffering.
終於有張敬軒！期待更多
Lmao, literally laughed when she said, what’s wrong with you😂😂😂 when asking he is not good
To me, that live performance of Hins' is really fabulous and powerful. I'll give him 10/10. MC is good too. Just different style because of two different settings.
Btw, if the teacher doesn't pause the video so frequently, it would make me feel better when watching it...😅 Just my personal feelings.
以前我儲齊張生嘅碟，酷愛後第一次演唱會睇到18年嗰次。不過近年張生轉咗唱法，就是老師所講嘅opera唱法，句句歌詞都會繼繼續續咁唱，中間加太多技巧，每個音都要好講究，但係反而令首歌無咁好聽，我覺得笑忘書同酷愛時期係最好聽嘅張敬軒。
斷斷續續？
@@kakit_sk9531 即係指技術太過刻意控制同過多花巧野，有足夠技術同練習到個肌肉記憶係可以自然咁用幾種技術切換，而唔係有啲似玩太古達人咁追求公式技術既極致。
@@Edenksana 我係問樓主句繼繼續續係咪打錯
@@kakit_sk9531 誤會誤會
correct, hins in a concert, he sing with some kind of drama or theater, i think you guys should choose the original version but the concert one
now the compare seems not really fair
Lots English songs also have repeat words. Such as Taylor Swift's "....My My My My Lover"
你們有空的話，聽一下他演唱会版的 Blessing，真的技惊四座，那时候他还很年轻，黄霑作詞，给他唱的，那么強的作詞人為何当时找个初出茅庐的小子去唱，証明他是有實力的
公道嚟講2014年Hins Live in Passion係軒公巔峰
軒公自己有講過之後有改變唔咁落力唱
因為唱一場成個月都唔駛講嘢
張敬軒的高音其實可以唱很高喔，可以多找張敬軒的影片給老師看，他是很棒的歌手。
The thick tone date back to origin of canto pop, it starts around 70s and very interesting fact in Hong Kong (where canto pop mostly originated) the singers background mostly comes from cover songs in both English (Beatles etc) and Cantonese opera
Tv shows pre 70s are mostly musical
And 70 economic boom in hk drives entertainment industry and popular tv show will hire composer for the show/soaps
And the composers are mostly classical trained (one big gun Joseph Koo from Berklee）, thus the preference towards theatrical tones
Hins is mostly 2nd/3rd generation of canto pop artists and MC is modern in trend, and the song they performed is written 20 years ago
I think most people don't like Hins' songs because his articulation of words is 'heavier' than others like MC Cheung, as he is from Guangdong but not Hong Kong. It could create a more diverse elaboration in Cantonese songs with different articulations (or accents).
中文反覆使用同一個字，使用適當的停頓才會產生合理的意思。可從網上搜索一下類似例子，如「種花種種種種種花種種香」，看看如何正確解讀，便能明白。
好想知佢會點評價林家謙把聲😂利申我鍾意聽家謙d 歌的
不张嘴唱歌，通道太小😂
最想知點評《喃嘸師》live🤣
應該搞唔掂 喃嘸系技巧😂
洋婦聽中式誦經👍🏻🤣
不張口唱歌是特色，張口唱林家謙的歌很奇怪，沒有味道
Hins keeps improving his skills and now even more strong and better
想聽老師評論mc老派約會之必要，比較中式的風格
係，可以做一期中國風r&b對比，粵語-MC 國語-周杰倫
Hins has a new version of this song in last week's concert in Las Vegas
Mc唱英文歌都不錯❤兩個都咁正
我個人感覺 會重複強調 愛
是因為有種控訴 自我發洩的感覺
一邊亂砸東西一邊在哭鬧的感覺
I love Hins!!! Thxxx Rozette and u all!!!
Hins upcoming tour in SF, Vancouver and Niagara Falls (27Jul, 1Aug & 3Aug) Hope you got a chance to enjoy his live show and it is absolutely worth it!
There is a live version from Hins with The Hong Kong Philharmonic Orchestra, that is even better
i think the lyrics oi oi oi oi oi is describe someone is crazy in love
like someone is addicted in crying, we will say he is always crying, crying, crying
used to be spoken language, emphasize some frequent actions in a period
广东老前辈最中意字正腔圆，轩仔应该都系从细受呢种教育，因为我都系广州人，佢出道的时候在广州芳村有录音室，我就在芳村地标钢铁厂上班，两三个车站能遇到，可惜未偶遇过。而80年代广州音乐老师教既，都系要字正腔圆。字字铿锵才能感动人，哪怕听者不动心，最起码听得清唱的是什么。
等咗好耐 終於有軒公😂酷愛有好多演唱會版，每個版都有自己嘅特色，有機會可以聽埋～
喜歡MC版本多些❤
Would love to hear the reaction for this classic MC performance 小心地滑with no ear mon: th-cam.com/video/W0WmgD-pq9M/w-d-xo.htmlfeature=shared
真係反法抗拒軒公嘅演繹🥰！
期待更多張敬軒的歌❤
那個嘶吼真的值得鼓掌！
從她口中表達背景音樂的「愛愛愛愛⋯」，讓我也聽起來覺得很搞笑😂😂
可以試吓談MC小心地滑 叱吒version 😊
"愛愛愛愛愛"咁既唱法.. 我諗起eurovision 2012年冠軍 sweden 代表Loreen 既 Euphoria... 中間唱到 "we're going u-u-u-u-u-u-up"嗰吓時, 忽然又諗起軒公"愛愛愛愛愛"嗰吓, 我唔知其他人點解讀, 但我就覺得似一個人激動心情而令到佢"hang hang地機"既感覺....老實講, 係成首歌既精華所在! 哈哈哈
太好了 是春秋❤❤❤❤❤超期待 謝謝你🙏🏻
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@@wawooo-e1i The next song my friend, watch til the end
雖然呢個演唱會既春秋都係超好聽
但呢首係酷愛
Thanks for listening to hins, he is the best of the best. Please do more of him, we love him so much. Amazing voice