As a child, I remember hearing Yosemite. Sam threatened to keel haul bugs Bunny in a cartoon episode. I had no idea at the time just how severe a threat that was.
I gotta be honest here, Bugs was so insufferably smug, I’d have enjoyed seeing him Keel Hauled. He’d have had more questions then “what’s up?” for his Doc afterwards.
Yeah and every time I learn something new from somewhere different, I think how no country or group owns the franchise on cruelty. World wide since forever, people have been really inventive in ways to kill and torture each other.
Over the years Crowley had found it increasingly difficult to find anything demonic to do which showed up against the natural background of generalized nastiness. There had been times, over the past millennium, when he'd felt like sending a message back Below saying, Look, we may as well give up right now, we might as well shut down Dis and Pandemonium and everywhere and move up here, there's nothing we can do to them that they don't do themselves and they do things we've never even thought of, often involving electrodes. They've got what we lack. They've got imagination.And electricity, of course. One of them had written it, hadn't he ... "Hell is empty, and all the devils are here." Crowley had got a commendation for the Spanish Inquisition. He had been in Spain then, mainly hanging around cantinas in the nicer parts, and hadn't even known about it until the commendation arrived. He'd gone to have a look, and had come back and got drunk for a week. Good omens - Neil Gaiman and Terry Pratchett
As an amateur diver years ago I accidentally bumped against barnacle covered rocks a couple of times due to waves and the like, soon learned that it was something to be stringently avoided.
@@Eduardo-yp6br There was a bit of a swell running and I was caught by a bigger than usual wave, the barnacled surface was pretty much like a cheese grater.
The crazy thing that just floors me every time i hear it is kneelhauling was more of a Navy punishment than a pirate one. The brutality of it sounds like it should be more a pirate thing
@@SpicyTexan64 Ever read up on medieval torture ? Forgive me for being amazed that someone actually engineered a device that slowly inserts a metal Rod up your arse until you slowly bleed to death. I mean who thinks of that shit ?
dont feel bad, this sounds very fake. how would a person be held against the ship? they would get pulled through the water, but they wouldnt get torn to pieces
@@Blox117 I’m wondering how they even get the rope under the ship & up the other side…lol ? Just seems like a lot of work & trouble to punish someone. I mean just toss him over board & be done with it…!
That scene with Black Beard, Edward Teach, where he was sent through 3 times & still was alive so they just shot him. Brutal. I liked that series, I wonder why they didn’t continue it!
For most of human history, human life wasn't really valued as much as it is today. Read about South American natives who enslaved each other all the time and killed slaves on weekends and holidays like it was nothing, so the streets of their primitive settlements were red with blood. And yes, it wasn't that long ago, it happened only 400 years ago. Those poor Native Americans killing, raping and torturing each other for sport and praising blood gods before the evil Spanish colonizers destroyed their precious innocent bloodthirsty slaver culture 😂
@@KeksimusMaximusMaking a pro colonialism argument in 2023 is lame. Yes all humans obviously had horrific and barbaric periods and experiences in past and present, but excusing evil with evil is lazy.
@@KeksimusMaximusthose evil Spanish colonizers destroyed an entire civilization and almost an entire race of people for greed and profit, which then led to one of the greatest atrocities in human history. But yes, false equivalence to down play evil speaks more to you than anything else.
The infections might be more survivable than you think. Seawater is remarkably good at preventing infection. I once worked on a lobster boat, and at one point I cut my finger quite deeply while sawing away at a tangled buoy rope. There were no bandages, they wouldn't have stayed on anyway, my finger was constantly being exposed to the dead fish we used as bait... and thanks to repeated soakings in seawater, it not only didn't infect, it didn't even scar. This was in San Diego, too, not far from a sewage outlet, and the water was absolutely filthy compared to the pristine seawater a 17th century sailor would've had access to on the high seas.
I had an ex who got a tattoo then went swimming the ocean, he said it gave him a really bad infection You must have a good immune system and/ or it was cold water as well, lucky haha
Oww.......I remember seeing this portrayed in the show black sails. A navy captain ordered it done to blackbeard( played by Ray Stevenson R.I.P.) I've always watched shows/movies that are violent and bloody, but seeing this depiction was unsettling. Even worse was the noise you would hear as the body rubs against the ship underneath.
Punishment stems from our need for being social and keeping cohesion. Punishment is the symptom of cooperation and complex societal structures. We tend to forget that humankind has so many good actions to offer to counterweight the brutality it inflicted because we look at negative stuff more willingly because of our evolutionary instinct to detect dangers and prevent them. Good things tend to be forgotten because we don't look at them as much always keep that in mind. Good outweighs bad when it comes to humanity even if it doesn't seem like it at first glance.
We just don't do it enough. You should sit next to me at my job servicing breathalyzers for DUI convicts. When I send a wasted meth head out the door and I am prohibited from dialing 911 by law in NC. Cuz crank don't set it off. Only booze.
That got explained to us in Primary school as children, because one of the songs we used to have to sing in assembly every week was the old shanty called "What shall we do with the Drunken Sailor" that lists the Royal Naval punishments, starting with shaving his belly with a rusty razor to keelhauling him. The Headmaster explained to us about being hauled under the boat with ropes where all the barnacles are stuck that would tear you to ribbons, as we still say it in English.
One line from that song is frequently misunderstood: "Put him in bed with the captain's daughter". It has nothing to do with hooking up with a girl. The Captain's Daughter was another nickname for the Cat O' Nine Tails. So the line basically meant "flog him so badly he can't get out of bed".
Thank you for the informative video. I was very surprised to see this level of quality from a channel with fewer than 10k subs. You deserve millions. Don’t get discouraged and please keep producing this kind of content!
I never heard they'd do multiple drags. Length ways was a guaranteed death sentence sideways was supposed to leave you alive. (Courtesy of Dutch history class)
@@BlackJesus8463 thank you my friend for that complement, I appreciate it and hopefully some day I will send one your way but it's late,time is marching on and I will say this before i go. My name isn't Captain Obvious, it's General Evident!
1982 This was done by a commercial fishing boat from Rhode Island in International Waters. A crewman sabotaged one of the two engined when way out to sea. They keel hauled him and went to court in Rhode Island in 1982. I was living at Pt. Judith.
@@smartysmarty1714Turns out that the reason the crewmember tried to sabotage the boat was because the captain overworked them and underfed them (literally giving them only chicken bones to eat sometimes). Captain was charged with cruelty to crew and fined $2250 and given a two year suspended sentence.
@Trenz0 seriously, I figured the justice system must still be running in 1800s mode too (it gave a lot of leeway to captains as the ultimate authority on the ship)... Captain must have Rip Van Winkled himself from the 1700s in more ways than one. On lots of ships the pay was low and the work was hard. So low that it was actually difficult to save up anything to return home if you decided you didn't like what you were doing anymore. For instance, ships would leave Britain to whale, fish, or trade for years at a time so if early on you decided you didn't want to do what you were doing anymore, too bad for you, having enough money to be able to get off at the nearest port and pay for passage home wasn't likely to be in your cards.
I was a little shocked when I watched the keel haul scene in “Mutiny on the Bounty”. I was a child and I couldn’t believe that anybody could be that brutal. When I visited Fort Meigs in Ohio, there was a short description with illustrations of how American soldiers were punished during the war of 1812. Some of the punishments must have been quite painful and caused permanent injuries to some of the soldiers.
That is because the movie is based is the NOVEL by Charles Nordhoff and James Norman Hall: it is heavily fictionalized, and bears little resemblance to historical reality. The Royal Navy kept meticulous records of punishments (because you want to know who the trouble-makers are) and there is not a single recorded case of keelhauling since the navy was instituted in 1546.
The keelhauling scene in Black Sails, cought me off guard, I knew what keelhauling was before the scene took place, but when they drop the man over the side I expected them to maybe show him coming up the other side and being bloody, hearing the captain send him back in the water again, and the scene would cut away....nope, they show it through and through all three rounds, and it is a rough scene to watch.
Origins of the phrase "in for the long haul/short haul" may have stemmed partially from this in Royal Navy terms, the long haul being stern to prow and back again was for the other sailors a long heave and no doubt the bosun's starter ensured the heave was hard and fast. Think the only nastier Royal Navy punishment was flogging through the fleet, where the guilty was tied to a cross spar on a jolly boat which would visit every ship in the fleet moored up and receive the required flogging from each ship's master or designated sailor, very few survived and this sort of savagery hastened on the move to strike across the navy where such practices were abolished after the two well known refusal of service or strikes. But the RN didn't just suddenly become benign and everyone was treated well from that point, things like the "cooler" box became commonplace, declared as "humane" locking someone in a cage barely bigger than a human without water ration, often out on the deck in all weathers, broke even the hardest of miscreants.
Glad these times are over... I can tell you one thing...its better for the captain if the victim dies, because if I ever survived such an ordeal I'd definitely have some cold served revenge for the captain in the future...
I suspect the high recorded death rate is more due reverse survivorship bias. That is, those that lived often didn't have their punishments officially recorded, but a captain has to explain a death under his command so those were. In other words, it's highly likely more lived than didn't. Also, salt water and a salty environment would actually help to keep the wounds free of infection. The punishment obviously got worse as ships grew in size and were kept in service longer, but then got less severe in the late 18th century when copper sheathing was added which eliminated or severely reduced the amount of marine growth.
Crazy thing is I was just watching a SpongeBob episode and Mr Krabs Told Somebody He'll KeelHaul Them 😂😂then this came up in my suggestions...thank you for proving my point in saying hes been a pirate for all these years
What would you prefer .Give them Tea and Biscuits and send them to have a nice nap ... Ships of that era suffered from mutinys and desertions on a regular basis ..and many of the crews where common criminals / scumbags drafted off the streets .. Discipline HAD to be maintained .. a soppy punishment aint gonna work is it?? .. The Captain was probably at risk of getting keelhauled himself if he lost control of the crew ..
So because the ship owners did not want to pay for qualified crew and ended up using the dregs of society, it was ok for them to be treated so harshly? Sounds like the same punishment techniques used on slaves in America; just beat them down into submission and scare the shit out of everyone else.@@kittyhawk9707
@@antonioreconquistador 🔎🦠bacteria? 🤨 Oh, they're certainly a lot better than us. But I usually draw the line at parasites and insects. Most animals and even some plants are pretty evil, too. But that's just my opinion. From a gnostic perspective.
Not really . The Captains of the ships of that era had to maintain discipline .. giving them Tea and biscuits and a big sloppy kiss .. like we do to crims these days wouldn't have worked very well would it?? .. I doubt anybody in those days actually wanted to be keelhauled .. but alas humans are not evil ..just f*cking stupid .. ..we KNOW the consequences but still do it anyway ... and then cry like little bitches when we get the punishment we KNEW we would get
Love your videos, love both your channels and always find them informative and interesting if not a little gruesome! I'm glad you covered this subject as one of my favourite scenes in The Last Kingdom is in series 2, episode 3? When Alic, Uhtred's fellow fighter and loyal trusty servent is keelhauled by the Viking Slaver of whose ship they where sold as slaves to. When Uhtred is saved by Ragnor and King Alfred's men, Finnan now an ex-slave and new loyal friend to Uhtred kills the slaver by a sword in the throat , looks him in the eyes and says "Pull" to him as he dies - which is what the slaver was shouting the slaves to do as they rowed while Alic tied to the keel is slowing drowning. Thank you for your time and effort on these videos, it is much appreciated, they are always well researched and for me well enjoyed I feel like I learn a lot.😀👍❤☠⚓
Military always had some of most brutal punishments like Run the gauntlet or Decimation. Theese punishment were meant to ensure absolute obedience and discipline among the soldiers.
Probably put the rope around the front in the water, giving enough slack for the boat to float over it, then they pull it tight to keep it under the boat
Still don't understand how the crew get the rope under the boat to the other side. Pulleys or no, wouldn't someone have to swim it underneath to get it there?
This guy just said good twice when referring to one of the worst things a human can do, and that's how you spot psychopaths. Ordinarily that would suggest he might be a sociopath but he seems to like it a little too much.
Appropriately, a little-known chapter of WWII was called "Operation Keelhaul". It was the return of refugees to the control of Russia / Soviet Union. Most were either executed or sent to labor camps in Siberia.
I cannot imagine the agony of being scraped across barnacles. I was walking in the shallow ocean water and got a nasty scrape on my foot from a barnacle-covered rock. The salt water did not help.
This was a standard punishment in the French Navy up to the mid 18th Century.. It was banned in the Royal Navy in 1720, but the Dutch and French carried it on for another 30-40 years.
Ooo. That painting around 9:10 gave me a super idea. Artworks depicting pirates. Little off topic yes but some of the depictions I’ve seen in these videos must have been done by brilliant artists.
Or they could just drop the middle of a folded in half rope off the bow (having two people hold an end each) and then walk it to the middle of the boat
It's not just cruelty. It just shows how severe traveling on the high seas was. They were willing to do anything to ensure order on the little ship floating on the lawless water. Well-meaning passengers probably took solace in the fact that keel hauling was a featured threat to keep the brutes in line.
Yeah it has to be brutal because a Captain of that time HAS to maintain discipline and given the shitty conditions on board ships of that period ..mutinys and desertions where common place .. the captain would probably find himself getting keelhauled if the ship mutinied . Not like today when we would give them Tea and Biscuits and a "there there"
Two things were mentioned that have got zero business as likenesses or truisms in this video on Keel-hauling. The Ducking-Stool and the comment that Keel-hauling proper was not a death sentence but only a punishment. Please give me the King of breaks here, I really don't think so 😑. If you are Keel-hauled either front to back or side to side, you are outta-here. You're no specimen of health to begin with. Any drop from ~ 100 feet up to a water surface below, - you mind-as-well call it the sidewalk cause that's the reality. And this isn't any dive, you're bound-up, and how you end-up - is just how-you-end-up when you hit the water surface. A lot depends on where and what time of year it is. You don't get just one trip, it's several. And if your brains aren't bashed out, the bottom of the ship can be covered with razor sharp shells that'll shred you to ribbons. And I hope you're not too modest cause all your clothes are coming off. If you're weighted before being cast over you'll spend more time under too. Then you're not immediately pulled up aboard but left to hang there, unless you're dead, then you'll be hanging from one of the ship's yard-arms (the cross- sections to a mast). If you happen to be that one in several thousand that survives 😐, you'll wish you hadn't; dismemberment, head injuries, missing flesh, and blood loss will mean a very slow and very painful end. Punishment my eye 🙄, it's execution.
I couldn't imagine... barnicles are so hard and jagged to the touch, I once caught myself in a wave and cut my feet open on one. The pain was searing. Keelhauling is just dragging the unfortunate sucker across something like you would a bug across pavement.
When time travel is realized i would absolutely love to come back to these events armed with weapons of top technology and exact rescue and revenge ..i dont think i would ever tire of doing that..people are absolutely awful evil creatures ..
Ive thought about punching out a captain or two when I started fishing but a real question you'd have to answer after you kill everyone would be... whose gonna drive the boat.
That would be the best thing for Mankind. Unfortunately, all of us are born with a sin nature and we are naturally evil and cruel. It is the person who is loving and kind that is going against human nature. Just look at Human history to see the evidence.
FUN GAMING FACT: Its directly referenced in the new game "starfield". You'll encounter a band of pirates known as the crimson fleet, upon joining them and doing some jobs you'll receive a legendary pistol named "the keelhauler".
Gregory Peck played a part of an American who was Keel Hauled.And of course one can never forget Charles Laughton in Mutiny on The Bounty,"Keel Haul him"as Capt.Bligh.😊Back then the sure way for sailors not to get Keel Hauled was to not become sailors.
If only humans used the same amount of ingenuity guided towards remedying mortal diseases as they do towards hurting each other.....we would be a species that Aliens might want to visit.
It never ceases to amaze me how cruel and barbaric the human race is. I hope it is a peculiarity unique to your species, or I will have a lot of work to do to bludgeon such evil from existence.
I heard of another grisly way to dispatch of a "problem" pirate. The unfortunate pirate was bound, hands behind his back, and placed into a large trunk and the lid was latched shut. The trunk was barely large enough to accommodate an adult man, so the pirate was stuffed inside and had limited movement. On the top of the trunk was a line of three small, latched doors. They would open each door and drop a couple of poisonous scorpions down into the trunk and close and re-latch. The scorpions would sting the pirate repeatedly and then the trunk, with its screaming occupant, was tossed overboard. Yikes!
We need to bring this punishment back for specific crimes and criminals: -Corrupt Politicians -Rapists -Pedophiles -Child Abusers -Violent Criminals who re-offend
As a child, I remember hearing Yosemite. Sam threatened to keel haul bugs Bunny in a cartoon episode. I had no idea at the time just how severe a threat that was.
I don’t think anybody did the first time you heard it. But it didn’t sound too fun
"Avast Ye Varmint!!!"
You just unlocked a core memory with this one. Cheers
Going to keelhaul YOU!!!! Dern rabbit?
I gotta be honest here, Bugs was so insufferably smug, I’d have enjoyed seeing him Keel Hauled.
He’d have had more questions then “what’s up?” for his Doc afterwards.
We humans have sure come up with some appalling ways to hurt each other. Keelhauling sounds absolutely awful!
Yeah and every time I learn something new from somewhere different, I think how no country or group owns the franchise on cruelty. World wide since forever, people have been really inventive in ways to kill and torture each other.
If there is one thing we are really good at its killing
We are by far the deadliest species.
Over the years Crowley had found
it increasingly difficult to find anything demonic to do which
showed up against the natural background of generalized
nastiness. There had been times, over the past millennium,
when he'd felt like sending a message back Below saying, Look,
we may as well give up right now, we might as well shut
down Dis and Pandemonium and everywhere and move up
here, there's nothing we can do to them that they don't do
themselves and they do things we've never even thought of,
often involving electrodes. They've got what we lack. They've
got imagination.And electricity, of course.
One of them had written it, hadn't he ... "Hell is empty, and
all the devils are here."
Crowley had got a commendation for the Spanish Inquisition.
He had been in Spain then, mainly hanging around cantinas in
the nicer parts, and hadn't even known about it until the
commendation arrived. He'd gone to have a look, and had
come back and got drunk for a week.
Good omens - Neil Gaiman and Terry Pratchett
Rat kettles sound worse
As an amateur diver years ago I accidentally bumped against barnacle covered rocks a couple of times due to waves and the like, soon learned that it was something to be stringently avoided.
Saw someone fall on a barnacle infested rock in a tidal rock pool. Yeah that was our fun walk over...
Cut my foot open on such a rock at 9 y/o, can still see the scar at 56!
can i know why?
@@Eduardo-yp6br There was a bit of a swell running and I was caught by a bigger than usual wave, the barnacled surface was pretty much like a cheese grater.
The crazy thing that just floors me every time i hear it is kneelhauling was more of a Navy punishment than a pirate one. The brutality of it sounds like it should be more a pirate thing
Well one is a cult of sociopaths and the other is pirates so not sure why you'd be surprised.
Sweet summer child ☠
@whynottalklikeapirat I'm not a summer child trust me this is just one of those things that sounds wrong but isn't.
@@psychojoe4764 Doesn’t sound wrong to me, speaking as an undead pirate with no reason to take anyones word for anything =.O
Are you 5?
I’ve always been amazed at how creative human beings can be when it comes to inflicting pain in their fellow man..
@R.P.-hw2rq you're so deep bro
I'm starting to believe it's a TH-cam requirement for one of these comments to be made on a video like this.
@@SpicyTexan64 Ever read up on medieval torture ? Forgive me for being amazed that someone actually engineered a device that slowly inserts a metal Rod up your arse until you slowly bleed to death. I mean who thinks of that shit ?
dont feel bad, this sounds very fake. how would a person be held against the ship? they would get pulled through the water, but they wouldnt get torn to pieces
@@Blox117 I’m wondering how they even get the rope under the ship & up the other side…lol ? Just seems like a lot of work & trouble to punish someone. I mean just toss him over board & be done with it…!
Mr Krabs threatens SpongeBob with a keelhauling. This is a tragically overlooked consequence for poor fry cookery.
The krabby patty secret ingredient is ... krabs .😮
Wouldn’t have done much, he’s already full of holes
Mr. Krabs will lose his marbles over a dollar
@@flying1dead155 no, crab meat is the main ingredient. The secret ingredient is mayo. The formula has more ingredients.
Spongebob is literally designed as a product for that sort of job so I'm sure he'd be fine 😅
There was a very graphic scene of keelhauling shown in the series “Black Sails”.. a fate worse than death indeed.
Very graphic scene but not nearly as bad as the descriptions in this video.
That scene with Black Beard, Edward Teach, where he was sent through 3 times & still was alive so they just shot him. Brutal. I liked that series, I wonder why they didn’t continue it!
Rip blackbeard. Such a good show
I can take a lot of bad shit but that scene was genuinely hard to watch after they just kept going until they shot him.
I had heard the term but till I saw that scene I didn’t actually know what it was. It was difficult to watch for sure and I’m not squeamish.
I can't imagine the kind of person who could come up with these tortures. Its scary that the mind can work that way.
For most of human history, human life wasn't really valued as much as it is today. Read about South American natives who enslaved each other all the time and killed slaves on weekends and holidays like it was nothing, so the streets of their primitive settlements were red with blood. And yes, it wasn't that long ago, it happened only 400 years ago. Those poor Native Americans killing, raping and torturing each other for sport and praising blood gods before the evil Spanish colonizers destroyed their precious innocent bloodthirsty slaver culture 😂
@@KeksimusMaximus You sound like your mother is also your sister.
@@KeksimusMaximusMaking a pro colonialism argument in 2023 is lame. Yes all humans obviously had horrific and barbaric periods and experiences in past and present, but excusing evil with evil is lazy.
It seems so obvious .
@@KeksimusMaximusthose evil Spanish colonizers destroyed an entire civilization and almost an entire race of people for greed and profit, which then led to one of the greatest atrocities in human history. But yes, false equivalence to down play evil speaks more to you than anything else.
The infections might be more survivable than you think. Seawater is remarkably good at preventing infection. I once worked on a lobster boat, and at one point I cut my finger quite deeply while sawing away at a tangled buoy rope. There were no bandages, they wouldn't have stayed on anyway, my finger was constantly being exposed to the dead fish we used as bait... and thanks to repeated soakings in seawater, it not only didn't infect, it didn't even scar. This was in San Diego, too, not far from a sewage outlet, and the water was absolutely filthy compared to the pristine seawater a 17th century sailor would've had access to on the high seas.
I don't think infections were the reason anyone died from this.
Most bad bacteria (for us) cannot survive in too salty water.
I had an ex who got a tattoo then went swimming the ocean, he said it gave him a really bad infection
You must have a good immune system and/ or it was cold water as well, lucky haha
@@BB-pt9hvyou’re supposed to avoid saltwater and chlorinated water with fresh tats
@@Wnick56 trust me I know lol he was a dumbass
There is no limit to the inhumanity of humanity .
Oww.......I remember seeing this portrayed in the show black sails. A navy captain ordered it done to blackbeard( played by Ray Stevenson R.I.P.) I've always watched shows/movies that are violent and bloody, but seeing this depiction was unsettling. Even worse was the noise you would hear as the body rubs against the ship underneath.
This is where my brain went when I clicked the video
Underrated show, that scene was hard to watch though.
humans can be pretty vile
Considering the unlimited capacity that human race has for cruelty, its truly amazing that we have survived this long.
Punishment stems from our need for being social and keeping cohesion.
Punishment is the symptom of cooperation and complex societal structures. We tend to forget that humankind has so many good actions to offer to counterweight the brutality it inflicted because we look at negative stuff more willingly because of our evolutionary instinct to detect dangers and prevent them.
Good things tend to be forgotten because we don't look at them as much always keep that in mind.
Good outweighs bad when it comes to humanity even if it doesn't seem like it at first glance.
We just don't do it enough. You should sit next to me at my job servicing breathalyzers for DUI convicts. When I send a wasted meth head out the door and I am prohibited from dialing 911 by law in NC. Cuz crank don't set it off. Only booze.
Ya. Everyone’s not going around torturing people are they?
That got explained to us in Primary school as children, because one of the songs we used to have to sing in assembly every week was the old shanty called "What shall we do with the Drunken Sailor" that lists the Royal Naval punishments, starting with shaving his belly with a rusty razor to keelhauling him. The Headmaster explained to us about being hauled under the boat with ropes where all the barnacles are stuck that would tear you to ribbons, as we still say it in English.
Yup I remember being told about this in 3rd grade never forgot about it only forgot the name
One line from that song is frequently misunderstood: "Put him in bed with the captain's daughter". It has nothing to do with hooking up with a girl. The Captain's Daughter was another nickname for the Cat O' Nine Tails. So the line basically meant "flog him so badly he can't get out of bed".
9:16 Ouch. That one hurts in a special way. The ships name is "WREEDHEID", which literally translates from Dutch to English as "CRUELTY".
I'm sure they all lived happy meaningful lives.
The same meaning in Afrikaans as well.
@@hennies9509 Not that strange ;-)
Thank you for the informative video. I was very surprised to see this level of quality from a channel with fewer than 10k subs. You deserve millions. Don’t get discouraged and please keep producing this kind of content!
I remember my 5th grade teacher describing this and always kind of wondered how much she embellished it. She was spot on.
Sheesh.... absolutely horrific. I completely agree that it is a fate far worse than death
How would you know that unless you've died before? 😂
@@ntenseu4ea422 LOL valid point!! 😂I certainly hope death isn't worse than keelhauling
@@ty16080 Scaphism is a comparable penalty
I never heard they'd do multiple drags. Length ways was a guaranteed death sentence sideways was supposed to leave you alive. (Courtesy of Dutch history class)
There's such a thing as: balance... without moderation you can go to extremes with anything! 😏🤭
@@Georgia-Vic Thanks Captain Obvious. 👍
@@BlackJesus8463 thank you my friend for that complement, I appreciate it and hopefully some day I will send one your way but it's late,time is marching on and I will say this before i go. My name isn't Captain Obvious, it's General Evident!
1982 This was done by a commercial fishing boat from Rhode Island in International Waters. A crewman sabotaged one of the two engined when way out to sea. They keel hauled him and went to court in Rhode Island in 1982. I was living at Pt. Judith.
What was the outcome of the trial?
@@smartysmarty1714Turns out that the reason the crewmember tried to sabotage the boat was because the captain overworked them and underfed them (literally giving them only chicken bones to eat sometimes). Captain was charged with cruelty to crew and fined $2250 and given a two year suspended sentence.
@@christopherrogers303Dude got off easy wtf
@Trenz0 seriously, I figured the justice system must still be running in 1800s mode too (it gave a lot of leeway to captains as the ultimate authority on the ship)...
Captain must have Rip Van Winkled himself from the 1700s in more ways than one. On lots of ships the pay was low and the work was hard. So low that it was actually difficult to save up anything to return home if you decided you didn't like what you were doing anymore. For instance, ships would leave Britain to whale, fish, or trade for years at a time so if early on you decided you didn't want to do what you were doing anymore, too bad for you, having enough money to be able to get off at the nearest port and pay for passage home wasn't likely to be in your cards.
@@christopherrogers303 bs
I always assumed it was from bow to stern, the length of the keel, never thought about port to starboard and back again.
Same here
As reference for those who might be unfamiliar with barnacles. Imagine a field of broken glass. Not an exaggeration.
I was a little shocked when I watched the keel haul scene in “Mutiny on the Bounty”. I was a child and I couldn’t believe that anybody could be that brutal.
When I visited Fort Meigs in Ohio, there was a short description with illustrations of how American soldiers were punished during the war of 1812. Some of the punishments must have been quite painful and caused permanent injuries to some of the soldiers.
That is because the movie is based is the NOVEL by Charles Nordhoff and James Norman Hall: it is heavily fictionalized, and bears little resemblance to historical reality. The Royal Navy kept meticulous records of punishments (because you want to know who the trouble-makers are) and there is not a single recorded case of keelhauling since the navy was instituted in 1546.
@@dominicbuckley8309 That's such a bad take I can't imagine you saying anything dumber.
@@BlackJesus8463Your pfp is your statement
The keelhauling scene in Black Sails, cought me off guard, I knew what keelhauling was before the scene took place, but when they drop the man over the side I expected them to maybe show him coming up the other side and being bloody, hearing the captain send him back in the water again, and the scene would cut away....nope, they show it through and through all three rounds, and it is a rough scene to watch.
I remember that scene and I love that series! But yes it was quite brutal and in-your-face
I had never heard of it before. That scene freaked me out.
And I thought leaving someone on an island to die was bad.
Origins of the phrase "in for the long haul/short haul" may have stemmed partially from this in Royal Navy terms, the long haul being stern to prow and back again was for the other sailors a long heave and no doubt the bosun's starter ensured the heave was hard and fast. Think the only nastier Royal Navy punishment was flogging through the fleet, where the guilty was tied to a cross spar on a jolly boat which would visit every ship in the fleet moored up and receive the required flogging from each ship's master or designated sailor, very few survived and this sort of savagery hastened on the move to strike across the navy where such practices were abolished after the two well known refusal of service or strikes. But the RN didn't just suddenly become benign and everyone was treated well from that point, things like the "cooler" box became commonplace, declared as "humane" locking someone in a cage barely bigger than a human without water ration, often out on the deck in all weathers, broke even the hardest of miscreants.
Glad these times are over...
I can tell you one thing...its better for the captain if the victim dies, because if I ever survived such an ordeal I'd definitely have some cold served revenge for the captain in the future...
There must be a better way to check for barnacles.
I suspect the high recorded death rate is more due reverse survivorship bias. That is, those that lived often didn't have their punishments officially recorded, but a captain has to explain a death under his command so those were. In other words, it's highly likely more lived than didn't. Also, salt water and a salty environment would actually help to keep the wounds free of infection. The punishment obviously got worse as ships grew in size and were kept in service longer, but then got less severe in the late 18th century when copper sheathing was added which eliminated or severely reduced the amount of marine growth.
I agree. With enough lead shot it’s likely that the victim would pass under the ship without hitting the bottom very hard.
Awesome history lesson from 200-300 years ago, not long ago ! Thanks , Subscribed
I've cut my hand on zebbra mussels in the Great Lakes. They're like razors.
Crazy thing is I was just watching a SpongeBob episode and Mr Krabs Told Somebody He'll KeelHaul Them 😂😂then this came up in my suggestions...thank you for proving my point in saying hes been a pirate for all these years
Humans are so nice to each other.
God help the universe if we ever get off the planet.
What would you prefer .Give them Tea and Biscuits and send them to have a nice nap ... Ships of that era suffered from mutinys and desertions on a regular basis ..and many of the crews where common criminals / scumbags drafted off the streets .. Discipline HAD to be maintained .. a soppy punishment aint gonna work is it?? .. The Captain was probably at risk of getting keelhauled himself if he lost control of the crew ..
So because the ship owners did not want to pay for qualified crew and ended up using the dregs of society, it was ok for them to be treated so harshly? Sounds like the same punishment techniques used on slaves in America; just beat them down into submission and scare the shit out of everyone else.@@kittyhawk9707
When I first heard of this word, it was in spongebob. Not the kinda thing you can grasp at a young age, took me a few years to wanna look it up.
i been wondering why my dreams haunt me and it’s probably because i listen to torture methods all the time before i sleep lol
Keel-hauling makes walking the lank sound like a dive into a pool
Humanity itself is evil.
"Such is the human race. Often it does seem such a pity that Noah and his party did not miss the boat."
- Mark Twaain
I cant imagine animals bacterium and anything else are really much better, whether or not they harm with intent.
@@antonioreconquistador 🔎🦠bacteria? 🤨 Oh, they're certainly a lot better than us. But I usually draw the line at parasites and insects. Most animals and even some plants are pretty evil, too.
But that's just my opinion.
From a gnostic perspective.
Not really . The Captains of the ships of that era had to maintain discipline .. giving them Tea and biscuits and a big sloppy kiss .. like we do to crims these days wouldn't have worked very well would it?? .. I doubt anybody in those days actually wanted to be keelhauled .. but alas humans are not evil ..just f*cking stupid .. ..we KNOW the consequences but still do it anyway ... and then cry like little bitches when we get the punishment we KNEW we would get
Waterboarding times one thousand-- in cruelty.
Love your videos, love both your channels and always find them informative and interesting if not a little gruesome! I'm glad you covered this subject as one of my favourite scenes in The Last Kingdom is in series 2, episode 3? When Alic, Uhtred's fellow fighter and loyal trusty servent is keelhauled by the Viking Slaver of whose ship they where sold as slaves to. When Uhtred is saved by Ragnor and King Alfred's men, Finnan now an ex-slave and new loyal friend to Uhtred kills the slaver by a sword in the throat , looks him in the eyes and says "Pull" to him as he dies - which is what the slaver was shouting the slaves to do as they rowed while Alic tied to the keel is slowing drowning. Thank you for your time and effort on these videos, it is much appreciated, they are always well researched and for me well enjoyed I feel like I learn a lot.😀👍❤☠⚓
Military always had some of most brutal punishments like Run the gauntlet or Decimation. Theese punishment were meant to ensure absolute obedience and discipline among the soldiers.
The show “Black Sails” has an extremely brutal portrayal of keelhauling in it.
I imagine it to be like a giant cheese grater that literally tears you to shreds
The sick fascination with suffering in any form is insanity. Human ignorance of cause and effect are undeniable
This channel is great! Some madness and then this!
Black Sails has a gnarly scene showing Keel Hauling…..
Im going to have the alestorm song stuck in my head for days now
How did they thread the rope under the boat to get to the other side?
Probably put the rope around the front in the water, giving enough slack for the boat to float over it, then they pull it tight to keep it under the boat
Trained dolphins
Yeah, l bet those barnacles would surely do a number to a person's hide. Sure would attract the sharks too, what with the blood aflowing.
Yeah that too. Though a shark might be a mercy at that point
Doing away with the ducking stool was the thin end of the wedge.
From what I've heard of this, barnacles attached to the hull would shred a person's flesh....😫
That was really interesting. I just found your channel. #subscribed ❤
This was depicted on the show “Vikings,” being done to Rollo. Never knew what that was until now.
Still don't understand how the crew get the rope under the boat to the other side. Pulleys or no, wouldn't someone have to swim it underneath to get it there?
Yes they swam the rope under the ships in the open ocean. Don't know if they looked for sharks first.
They could just drop it over the front of the ship and the current would take it underneath
@@Redspeciality Hmm yes
Thow it over the front and float over it
Now this punishment is only done on the largest of cruise ships unfortunately.
You have to pay extra for this on a Disney cruise! 🤣🤣
I always thought it was along the keel, long ways. Front to back as the ship was underway.
My father was in the Navy on a Destroyer 1950-1954 He told me about keel hauling when I was a child.
Thanks dad
Wow, great video, great channel, just subbed!👍👍
Bookmarking for the next time someone fucks up at work and complains the Boss is taking it too far
Maybe I’m nuts but this sounds fine.
I learned about this from the first "Monkey Island" game, the mutinous but lazy crew were threatening to do this to Guybrush. Freaked my kid-self out.
So that's how the pulley got inside that rubber chicken.
Lol me too! Who said computer games weren't educational xD
Btw you fight like a dairy farmer
Graphic but so good to hear about quite recent barbaric methods used to endorse good behaviour.
You mean "forced" behavior?
This guy just said good twice when referring to one of the worst things a human can do, and that's how you spot psychopaths. Ordinarily that would suggest he might be a sociopath but he seems to like it a little too much.
Appropriately, a little-known chapter of WWII was called "Operation Keelhaul". It was the return of refugees to the control of Russia / Soviet Union. Most were either executed or sent to labor camps in Siberia.
Being dropped 150 feet from the side of a ship?
That's some big ass ship
This is something you'll never see on the Disney ride
I cannot imagine the agony of being scraped across barnacles. I was walking in the shallow ocean water and got a nasty scrape on my foot from a barnacle-covered rock. The salt water did not help.
I've been aware of keelhauling for a while and I never considered the salt water.
Ahhrrrr mate.
The salt water didn't the help but it cut your infection risk and healing time down 😂
Your ineloquence knows no bounds.
Same with being "tarred & feathered" or "drawn & quartered". Just figures of speech now, but horrible punishments way back when.
This was a standard punishment in the French Navy up to the mid 18th Century.. It was banned in the Royal Navy in 1720, but the Dutch and French carried it on for another 30-40 years.
160 foot drop to the water? Ships weren't that big back then. I call BS
Ooo. That painting around 9:10 gave me a super idea. Artworks depicting pirates. Little off topic yes but some of the depictions I’ve seen in these videos must have been done by brilliant artists.
I‘ve always wondered how they could thread a rope under the ship and up the other side?
They had great swimmers that could easily make the swim from one side to the other with the rope
Or they could just drop the middle of a folded in half rope off the bow (having two people hold an end each) and then walk it to the middle of the boat
Human imagination put to one of the worst uses. Unfortunately, we have evolved a lot in technology but not enough in spirit.
Goes to show how evil humanity can get.
It's not just cruelty. It just shows how severe traveling on the high seas was. They were willing to do anything to ensure order on the little ship floating on the lawless water. Well-meaning passengers probably took solace in the fact that keel hauling was a featured threat to keep the brutes in line.
Yeah it has to be brutal because a Captain of that time HAS to maintain discipline and given the shitty conditions on board ships of that period ..mutinys and desertions where common place .. the captain would probably find himself getting keelhauled if the ship mutinied . Not like today when we would give them Tea and Biscuits and a "there there"
"He was bloody from head to toe . . . Thanks for watching. See you next week. CHEERS!!!"
Keel hauling was used far more by regular navies than by pirates.
Having a sponge stuck in the mouth to prolong suffering (drowning)…. Sounds like waterboarding unto death
But worse.
Enough evil content for this morning.
Barnacles are thicker than glass but just as sharp they break off like slivers but also in sharpe chunks
Being from Plymouth (a janner)
Ive known about this since i can remember
It must be the worst punishment out at sea surely
Two things were mentioned that have got zero business as likenesses or truisms in this video on Keel-hauling.
The Ducking-Stool and the comment that Keel-hauling proper was not a death sentence but only a punishment.
Please give me the King of breaks here,
I really don't think so 😑. If you are Keel-hauled either front to back or side to side, you are outta-here. You're no specimen of health to begin with. Any drop from ~ 100 feet up to a water surface below, - you mind-as-well call it the sidewalk cause that's the reality. And this isn't any dive, you're bound-up, and how you end-up - is just how-you-end-up when you hit the water surface. A lot depends on where and what time of year it is. You don't get just one trip, it's several. And if your brains aren't bashed out, the bottom of the ship can be covered with razor sharp shells that'll shred you to ribbons. And I hope you're not too modest cause all your clothes are coming off. If you're weighted before being cast over you'll spend more time under too. Then you're not immediately pulled up aboard but left to hang there, unless you're dead, then you'll be hanging from one of the ship's yard-arms (the cross- sections to a mast). If you happen to be that one in several thousand that survives 😐, you'll wish you hadn't; dismemberment, head injuries, missing flesh, and blood loss will mean a very slow and very painful end. Punishment my eye 🙄, it's execution.
I couldn't imagine... barnicles are so hard and jagged to the touch, I once caught myself in a wave and cut my feet open on one. The pain was searing. Keelhauling is just dragging the unfortunate sucker across something like you would a bug across pavement.
When time travel is realized i would absolutely love to come back to these events armed with weapons of top technology and exact rescue and revenge ..i dont think i would ever tire of doing that..people are absolutely awful evil creatures ..
So you want to be a vigilante. That’s so noble and honorable, and you’re definitely better than the perpetrators of torture.
Ive thought about punching out a captain or two when I started fishing but a real question you'd have to answer after you kill everyone would be... whose gonna drive the boat.
bro, you did my day ! 🤣🤣
@@BlownMacTruckit is better.
@@bullpup1337 Go take a basic philosophy class and come back when you've learned the most basic things about ethics and morals.
If only the whole world genuinely would have helped each other . How far we all could have come.
That would be the best thing for Mankind.
Unfortunately, all of us are born with a sin nature and we are naturally evil and cruel.
It is the person who is loving and kind that is going against human nature.
Just look at Human history to see the evidence.
Learned about this in highschool. Idk why a teacher would feel the need to teach this
FUN GAMING FACT:
Its directly referenced in the new game "starfield".
You'll encounter a band of pirates known as the crimson fleet, upon joining them and doing some jobs you'll receive a legendary pistol named "the keelhauler".
Accurate documents say that pirates never used walking the plank. Also the Navy keel hauled.
Join the Navy, son, see the world (or maybe barnacles on the keel).
And I thought WE lived in a world full of word salad. These people take the cake.
A pop-filter for your mic would be a fine investment.
Gregory Peck played a part of an American who was Keel Hauled.And of course one can never forget Charles Laughton in Mutiny on The Bounty,"Keel Haul him"as Capt.Bligh.😊Back then the sure way for sailors not to get Keel Hauled was to not become sailors.
If only humans used the same amount of ingenuity guided towards remedying mortal diseases as they do towards hurting each other.....we would be a species that Aliens might want to visit.
OMG, yes I agree with you!
interesting sidenote that the picture used at 4:00 is called 'Wreedheid' (Cruelty in English).
It never ceases to amaze me how cruel and barbaric the human race is.
I hope it is a peculiarity unique to your species, or I will have a lot of work to do to bludgeon such evil from existence.
I heard of another grisly way to dispatch of a "problem" pirate. The unfortunate pirate was bound, hands behind his back, and placed into a large trunk and the lid was latched shut. The trunk was barely large enough to accommodate an adult man, so the pirate was stuffed inside and had limited movement. On the top of the trunk was a line of three small, latched doors. They would open each door and drop a couple of poisonous scorpions down into the trunk and close and re-latch. The scorpions would sting the pirate repeatedly and then the trunk, with its screaming occupant, was tossed overboard. Yikes!
That is fucking nightmare fuel
Sounds better than keelhauling honestly…
We need to bring this punishment back for specific crimes and criminals:
-Corrupt Politicians
-Rapists
-Pedophiles
-Child Abusers
-Violent Criminals who re-offend
I agree on all points, save for the politicians, for whom I recommend scaphism as being more appropriate.
Add animal abusers to the list as well
Mr. Krabs was gonna keelhaul SpongeBob over a dollar haha
Actually it is called " Kielhalen " in Dutch. Just a small correction from a Dutchman.
Ready to come about, helm's alee !!!
How did they get the rope underneath the ship and back up the other side?
Bit of weight on it and then just start at the front of the ship, easy!
If you can't work that out I'm very worried for you.
Oh come on, it's just a rash. I'm allergic to barnacles... I think I'd rather be dragged behind a pickup through a cactus patch!!!