F-Style Bar Clamps Comparison / TayTools / Jorgensen / Bessey / Harbor Freight
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- Today we're comparing f-style clamps from TayTools, Jorgensen, Bessey and Harbor Freight.
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Jodee your videos are incredible. You are so thorough, thoughtful, and systematic in the way you use your tools. Many times your tips arent necessarily complicated. But you cover *everything* and not only am I learning about these tools, but how to think more effectively about tools. The community is lucky to have you.
Appreciate all your time spent in these videos And your opinions on different tools and techniques Thank you for what you do
Nice comparison, thank you. All of those clamps are more than adequate for woodworking glue ups. However, the case for the medium duty over the light duty would be when one needs to clamp something to a bench, etc. Good to have some of each.
Seriously, best woodworking channel I've found. I'm learning so much about the tools and how to use them. Even though woodworking is just hobby for me right now I too have reached the point in my life where having something that just works, works well, and works efficiently, is worth spending some extra money. Really appreciate your videos and all the effort you put in to be honest with the info you provide.
On the wood handles wait 15 or 20 years and the smaller diameter and hard surface will make a huge difference to you. Also electrical heat shrink tubing is the simplest smoothest way to both increase the diameter and provide some cushioning!
I was thinking plastidip them once you lose the cushion but your solution is rather elegant too. Thanks for the tip!
Thanks for the detailed comparison of all these clamps. I think yours is one of the best practical woodworking channels on TH-cam.
richard
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The 90/10 rule: the first 90% of a project takes 90% of the time and the last 10% takes 90% of the time.
Great video. For my skill level and productivity, you have not shifted me from the Hazzard Fraught
This is the video I needed when I started out. I started with HF, but the fit and finish varied widely and none clamped consistently like each other. But I figured for the price and warranty you couldn't beat them. The final straw was when I broke a 6" one clamping a stop block to my miter saw station (bent back easily and snapped, was rusted inside). I took them all back and invested in the Bessey and Jorgensen 4 packs to find which one I liked. My preference is the Jorgensen clamps because of the rubber handle and finish on the clamp body. I'll be buying them going forward.
Thanks a ton for the comment. Your story is very similar to mine.
Thank you for your time and great information. Over the years I have picked up different styles and brands, and now this will help in my upgrades.
I got 2 4 packs of Jorgensen's Black Friday 2019 and paid just under $20 each. I am in love! I had the same issue with the pads, I just put a drop of I think CA glue on the ones I could find and the problem was resolved! Looked for a deal on them this Black Friday and they were never in stock to order but the same price!
I started out buying 8 each Bessey 4", 6", 12" & 24" clamps. Hated them because the handles were too small and too slick for my meaty hands. Gave them all away and bought 8 each of 6", 12" and 24" Harbor freight clamps. There were ok, some of them were finicky, and yes, the pads came off all the time. But the main reason I gave up on them was that the 12" & 24" clamps tended to flex under moderate pressure. I finally got rid of those (keeping the 6" sizes because they didn't flex much) and now have 8 ea of 12" and 24" Rockler Sure-Foot F-clamps. They are much larger, heavier, and more expensive than all the clamps you discussed but I just love them.
But my [insert brand here] clamps have always done the exact opposite of what you said, blah, blah, blah, blah...
Always appreciate the comparison vids! Thx
I'm sure this was a painful video to make, but it really did put a lot of useful information out there. Keep doing what you're doing.
Same experience on reattaching the pads. Only turner's tape will hold. Tried: CA, wood glue, rubber cement, hide glue and silicon caulk.
As all the past comp videos you provide this is a winner and I thank you once again for real world comp of tools. Personally hands down in that sized clamp-6 in-the Jorgensens ARE BY FAR SUPERIOR. THE HANDLE ALONE - fit feel and function- far surpasses all the others.
Thank you for the review. Good information all. I have both the Jorgenson and the Harbor Freight. I find no serious fault with either brand. I am not as fussy about screw thread pitch as you. I have never measured max opening size. I have never had a failure with either brand. Have a great day and stay safe.
This is one of the most informative and polished channels going with excellent and pertinent content. A lot of other youtubers who have a large following get to the point of creating vids showing the making of the all-important hammer holders. Keep up the excellent work.
..."have an absolute meltdown." 😆 Really appreciate all your content and informed opinions/videos. Keep cranking them out !
I can see one advantage to the HF clamp taking forever to open and close. If you were clamping something fragile, you will increase the pressure much more gently than with a quick closing clamp. And, just with any gearing, you may actually be able to apply more total pressure because it's basically a lever.
Always a great watch mate, love the parameters you use for comparisons, and there's nothing wrong with having your own personal opinion on what you prefer...the haters can use what they prefer. Keep up the great work....cheers from Aus!!!!
More great info with lots of detail, Jodee. Thanks for this series!
Again , extremely practical advice. One thing going for HF clamps is that sometimes, you need quantity just to hold stuff down. So they're good for that.
The length of the lead screw on Jorgensen isn't an issue when using them the regular way ( as you state ). I don't screw it all the way in, I gust slide it up the bar and tighten the screw.
I've got to say, I love the Jorgensen handles. Thanks for the vid!
I'm really enjoying your content comparing cheap to pricey products. You need to get the most from your money but also want tools that will do the job as needed. Thank you, please keep it up.
Totally agree on TayTools!!! My introduction was for blem squares. One was good, one not so good. They nearly refused to allow me to pay for a branded replacement for the bad one. Since, I've bought Narex Richter chisels (incredible!), more blem and branded squares and other things. They are quick to answer questions on phone or email and have PROVEN they want customers to be delighted, not just satisfied!
Thanks for sharing. A lot of my tools have come from Taylor Toolworks (I recently bought the Richter chisels as well). Great company run by great people.
I’m not going to lie.... I’ve got about 8 (of an original 15 or so) f clamps I bought at Big-Lots 15-20yrs ago. They were $2-5 a piece. They are not as good as some of my other clamps, but for the price, they have lasted FOREVER!
I have the Besseys and I wrap the handles with hockey tape. From Canada and have been using hockey tape for handles of things for years and years.
Great video. When you get old arthritis in your hands you will see the benefit of rubber or wrapped handle. Thanks for taking the time to analyze these tools. It's something that you always want to do but never gets done. Keep up the good videos.
Because I only use these for light duty projects, the harbor freights are fine. I also have Jorgenson. When it counts, I will use parallel clamps. I mostly use these for holding things, versus glue ups.
I bought 4 pack Bessey from HD last year. After a few uses, one of them started skipping. I contacted Bessey, they said there was a batch with this problem, and they are going to send me a new one of the same size. Before it arrived, another one from the 4 pack started skipping. I contacted again, and Bessey sent 2 of 4 packs in case another one goes bad. Not long after that, it went on sale at HD for $14.97/4pk, and I bought 2 sets. So far, only 2 had skipping problem. It is worth buying a few sets when it is under $15.
For heavy duty, or deeper reach situations, I have some old Jorgensen 45series clamps with clutch, wood handle, 5in reach and much thicker bars.
Before they closed the factory in Chicago and moved overseas, Jorgensen were the best clamps, period. Pony clamps, bar clamps, hand screw clamps, C-clamps, all of them. I am undecided about foreign made Jorgensen clamps.
I have a couple Bessey clamps and some Jorgensen's. Really prefer the Jorgensen over the Bessey. The Bessey clamps seem to have less room between the bar and the handle and I end up skinning my knuckles on them. So if I have a choice I'll chose the Jorgensen everytime. But that's just me. Enjoy your videos, keep it up.
I’m still starting out in woodworking and the price of clamps shocked me more than anything. I needed some squeeze clamps and couldn’t believe how cheap they were at HF, so I bought some. So far they’ve been fine, but I’m still new at this. Down the road I might get some fancier ones
I have those exact Jorgensen clamps in 3 different sizes. You can get them cheap at Lowe's. I also have some Bessey F-style but they are much larger and much more expensive. 8" throat depth and weigh a ton. They have both served me well.
I have those Jorgensen from Lowes in the small size they work well and the grips are good.
Thanks for taking the time to do this comparison study. I’ve been buying the TayTools clamps (because I’m already there ordering x or y tool, so I just add a set of clamps when I can) and I’ve been happy with them. Like you said, get a tool, tool does it’s job and we keep going. That’s all I ask of a clamp. If I’m at Lowe’s or HD and the clamps are on sale, I’ll pick some up. I find I end up putting some grip (hockey) tape on the Bessey’s though. No big deal to me. Anyway, appreciate the video. Thanks!!
Thanks for f-ing around with those! Hockey tape trick on the Bessey helps greatly. Piher? Super expensive but awesome.
Clamp envy is definitely my worst vice.
I had several Harbor Freight clamps fail during a big glue up. These ended up being the most expensive clamps ever by the time I redid the whole project. Never again with the HFs!
I have both Bessey and Jorgenson. I like them both. I only prefer the Jorgensen for the rubber handles. They’re so much better on my 67 year old hands. All my Bessy clamp handles are wrapped with hockey tape.
I like your test parameters. I run into the clamping to a recessed surface scenario frequently.
It was so hard for me to try and explain that for some reason. Haha
I was watching that and I was like "yes!!" (Like, this guy gets me )
@@InspireWoodcraft A picture is worth 1000 words. Shoot some B-roll demonstrating what you're talking about and cut it in.
Suprised how much I enjoyed a video about clamps...F style clamps too, by far the least sexy
Great video and comparisons! Thank you again😎 I can definitely tell the difference in the Harbor Freight quality too. I wonder what clamps are like on the Wish store?😆
Great video. I’m getting ready to add some more clamps to my new shop. Have a couple of HF clamps. I like Bessey on other style clamps. I like Taytools as a company and get all my CMT stuff from them, along with other stuff. I think I’ll try their clamps.
Haven’t seen the full video yet, but! I prefer the red wood handle bessey clamps over the harbor freight. My main clamps are all the bessey. That said if I need to do a ton of glue ups or lamination I pick up more harbor clamps. They are a great value for the money but compared to bessey they start to flex and lose strength way before the bessey. I haven’t tried any of the heavy duty plasticy rubber handle bessey but I would like to try some eventually!
I don't care for the harbor freight clamps either. However, I do have a couple 36" clamps I bought from harbor freight. When I needed a couple extra and didn't want to spend 40 bucks to finish the project. And they have worked great for them passed couple years.
Thanks for the detailed breakdown on F-style clamps. This is great.
Very informative video (as usual)! One thing you didn't really go into detail on (and it might not be terribly relevant here to be honest) is the bars on the clamps themselves. My favorite F-style clamp is the Bessy TGJ2.506+2k (medium duty 600 lbs) version, as the bar has serrated notches not only along the top but on the beveled sides as well (surely, this has to amount to the adjustable part having more to hang onto). But I know the clamps with serrated notches on the top of the bar only works as well. As a side note question, what it the best way to remove dried glue from those clamp bars (my notches are getting plugged up a bit)?
I agree with you about the Bessy bars. I've really liked the ones I've had and the bar is really nice. Not a fan of the wood handle, but I don't let it ruin my day too bad. :P For the glue have you tried just a wire brush? If that doesn't work using some acetone should help or a combination of the two. Good luck!
Agree with the wire brush. I actually hit mine with the wire wheel and the glue came off in a flash but it actually stained the metal. Nothing other than cosmetic but I thought it was odd that glue stained the metal. Probably because it’s got some plating on it if some sort. (I’m speaking of the bessey in my experience)
I have a few bessy clamps and like them. I like your tape trick and will used it on a few pipe clamp pads. Thanks
Hockey tape works well to wrap the handles. And at my house depot I can get 4pc Bessey clamps all the time 2x 6" and 2x 12" Bessey clamps for $23.99
I bought Harbor Freight Clamps to start out, I’ve been slowly up grading to Irwin Clamps and Jorgensens clamps. I can really tell the difference thanks for the video
The difference in these clamps is minuscule and barely an inconvenience. I have many of the HF clamps and don’t have any problem with them. In the vein of you can’t have too many clamps, you can get twice the number of clamps from HF for the same amount and sacrifice very little in utility and quality.
I also want to thank you for all your efforts sir. You seam like a very good person. I hope not to be mean here cause you don’t deserve that. You give very thorough and well researched information. But there’s so much of it that my short attention Span can’t seam to watch the whole video. Which is sad especially for all the hard work you put into it. Sorry I just like shorter bursts of info. Still a fan still , going to watch as much as I can lol and keep going sir thank you
When I saw William Ing using harbor freight clamps, that was good enough for me.....
I skipped around the video a little so if mentioned, I didn't see it. I live in FL (high humidity) and have had a problem with rust on the Harbor Freight clamps. Probably doesn't help that I am a casual user, but I spend extra time on the rails to make sure they stay rust free.
I have all of the clamp brands you compared. I also have Irwin (which I like). You DID NOT mention the ease of moving the jaws up and down the ratcheted bar. For me that is a key point. I find the Jorgensen and Bessey clutches hard to engage/disengage. Takes two hands and that's a pain. Tay, HF & Irwin are much easier to move and they stay engaged without slippage. All your other points about the clamps are valid.
I like the Bessey clamps. I have both F-style amd K-body clamps. All have wooden handles. Many of them are 10+ years old and still work great. I also have some pipe clamps for extra large clamping jobs. The F-style clamps are the most often used clamps in my shop.
Nice comparison. I like your double sided tape tip.
So.... to summarize, buy some from every store as you need them to build a collection. Then learn the differences as you use them and appreciate the differences and use them to your advantage. Like most tools, they have to be used to gain experience.
Amazing comparison Jody! Thank you for this one. And thank for the link to the grip tape. I have some of the very small bessey (4") that have the wooden handles and could use some extra grip at times.
About the comparison, I've used many of those clamps myself and settled on bessey as my go-to brand when I want clamps that work great out of the box, and continue to reliably work year after year. If you don't mind a more detailed response, my experiences with the others:
Jorgensen - Decent, but the bars had more flex than I like. Expensive. Not woth the extra cost IMHO.
Harbor freight - I have the older blue and gray ones. They do the job, but the handles have a tendency to come off when cranking them down. 5 minute epoxy is an easy fix, but like you said, I don't want to have to fix my new tools.
Bessey - Again, my favorites. I'm not a huge fan of the wooden handles, so I always try to opt for the 2K composite handles.
Thanks again!
You can get a 6 pack of the Jorgensons 6” for $30 at Lowe’s, at least the Lowe’s by me.
Its a 4 pack for 30$ on theii website
Thank you for the video. I have Jorgensen and a few Irwin clamps, but may check out some of the other ones you highlighted. Keep the good information coming.
"In my experience" this was another well done comparison. Keep it up.
I agree 100%. Harbor freight f clamps are garbage in my book. Great video. I can’t begin to tell you how much I’ve learned fro you. Thank you so much.
It’s so easy to find the Bessey or Jorgensens on sale usually around 20 bucks for a 4 pack that it just doesn’t make sense to buy the HF garbage. I bought nothing but HF clamps when I first started out and every single one I have ever owned has bent or twisted. I get HF is cheap but tools are something that you should invest in quality.
Just solid job, as always. Love your attitude. I kinda fell into Jorgensen with picking up couple of 5 packs at xmas time, 3" mini added to normal 4 pack. 25 bucks I think at Lowes. Seem solid quality and for me I do like handle. As you emphasize this stuff is personal. Again, great stuff.
My PEC Blem from Taytools was a nightmare to get the ruler back in. I swapped it for another (was charged shipping) and the second one was is slightly easier. I love the combo square but it's still fiddly.
Another great video!
I will be employing the tape fix today!!
Bought some Bessey's in the 1970s; good strong clamps. Decided to add to the pair around 2005 or so. Bought 6 more new ones (the German ones) that looked just like the 70's set, but they were disappointing . . . they were much weaker, too much pressure and they would bend, not the same quality as the older ones. As a carpenter you are not always using them just for gluing purposes, sometimes you need out and out high pressure to align things. So I decided to look for older resale ones. The older ones that I found were all stronger. I found a smaller one, cost $4, likely made in the fifties, you can apply as much pressure as you can and it will squeeze harder and harder without bending, it's an outstanding clamp.
Thanks for the great info! Curious if anyone else likes the German made Bessey clamps, without the clutch. Bought a pair while in a rush and didn't notice they are different. Now I love them and am slowly building up with those.
I've only used two brands of camps. Joregensen and Bessy both are top notch. Some of my Jorgensen's I've had over 25 years.
The oldest Bessy F's are 10yrs old. The older Joregensen's you had to buy the rubber caps as extras.
Excellent presentation and very informative! Well done.
I tend to stick with the Bessey clamps myself. Just reliable. I have only the 6” harbor freight clamps, as the longer ones not worth the hassle IMO. Good tip on the double sided tape, I’m gonna have to try that! You Should do a video comparing bar clamps and pipe clamps. Your videos are great to gleam any insight on what potential issues to avoid. Keep them coming!
I have allot of harbor freight f style clamps, than home depot had the bessey 4 pack on sale for 15 & pick up 2 four packs. Now that I have used the bessey I love them & I hate my habor freight ones, I still use the harbor freight ones cause thats the only size I have in f style clamps like the 24" & 36". I have had good luck with Taylor tools so I'll look into them for longer f style clamps
I have about 30 Bessy clamps, between the 6" and 12" clamps. And they haven't ever started coming apart. I've been using them for about 1 year to 1 1/2 years. So idk what that's my experience..
I don't care for the Bessey clamps with the smooth handle. It's harder to tighten and loosen. I've got Jorgensens in my shop and I'm happy with them.
Hard to beat Bessey, but you do need to shop around. Just as you suggested, grab them when they go on sale at HD, which seems to be the best price for me. I also really like the Jorgensen, and grab a set every Christmas from Lowes, which seems to be when they put a great sale price on them. For Jorgensen, I will be fixing my pads with tape as you suggest. That's been my only issue with them, but seems like a simple fix.
Hey Jodee, you have identified some very important, but subtle differences between these F-clamps. The one thing I would like to bring up is the difference between quantity and quality ... let me explain. the Harbor Freight clamp took a lot more turns than the competition ... understand that having finer threads gives it more resolution which in turn means, in this context, better control over pressure exerted on the material being clamped. Not always a bad thing.
I have found that the Jorgensen clamps mare the Wood with indentations, and the Bessey do not. Thank you
Thanks for the comparison. The number of turns for the final clamping after advancing the jaw should be minimal and so a larger number of turns for the full length of the lead screw would only be a concern to me if I needed to clamp in a recess or around other features often. However, the tactile feedback you noted with the Harbor Freight clamp is a point against that one for me.
i would never call you names. love your vids, very informative. one idea on the bessey clamp handles being slippery, i use a channel ox, and put indents on the wooden handles, solves the slippery problem! keep up the good work buddy.
I’ve had great luck with Bessey and Jorgensen clamps over the years. I usually buy them at auctions now, I don’t see much harbor freight stuff out there used, and I think I know why. Now in my 50’s I don’t seem to get as good grip on those smooth wood handles, usually when I need to loosen actually, so I think I’ll check out the grip tape. Thanks for all the information!
I really like Bessey clamps, I have several of the 4 packs, and the 3/4" pipe clamps. I also still own 4 of the 48" aluminum bar clamps and about a dozen or so f style clamps from HF. I did take the time to test each clamp in the store, for fit and function, and yes there are notable differences. Taylor tools are on my list to try. Good information on the various clamps!!
Fantastic video, dude! Thanks a lot! 😃
About the pads, I just put a small dab of hot glue. Never had problems again. 😊
Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Good idea! I never thought about that!
I have 10-12 various size HF clamps in my shop. They are a great value. I can't see the need to pay more. They do the job just fine.
Loved the video. That being said, I almost exclusively use HF clamps. Its what I could afford when I started and I've amassed quite the collection. It's mostly because of the amount of clamps I can get for the same amount of money. I love them but its because it's what I've used and can abuse. But I'll never be so stupid to deny that there are better clamps out there. But definitely agree that the new black HF ones are junk. I go out of my way to find the blue handles and check every one before I leave the store. Just like picking out 2x4s. Keep up the good work.
He's are what I use as well, but have a lot of problem with them slipping, have you had that problem?
Darn auto correct! I meant HF's
@@billquakenbush1692 I've spent a while dialing them in and a few times used a saw file when the grooves started to wear. Just like sharpening a hand saw. But I'm one of those crazies that will always choose a bit of time over a bit of money when it comes to tools. I'm a tinkerer. Lol
I have had HF clamps for years not one has broke, but I wont buy the black handled ones. I will wait for that video of you breaking that clamp.
More revolutions over a shorter distance on a similar diameter (higher thread pitch) would give you more clamping force for the same effort. Though less convenient this is actually a plus for clamps. It’s the same for fine vs. coarse thread bolts.
I have had an issue with the new HF clamps not releasingto slide the lower jaw into or out of the work area. Takes both ands to operate. I have gone to the pistol style F clamps for positioning. Then when ai need more I add the screw style F-clamp.
I’ve had the same problem with the new ones. Love my old ones.
As you said you can never have enough clamps. I have the Bessy, Jorgonsen and HF 6 inch clamps. The Bessy and Jorgesen are great. The HF ones not so much. What I mean is if you clamp down the HF bars bend slightly. The Bessy and Jorgenson bars may flex a little but not like the HF ones. But the light duty nature of the clamps mean they are not meant for really clamping hard on them anyway. I have bought the Jorgenson 6 inch clamps in 4 packs for $20.00 on sale at Lowes. One time I go in Lowes and they are reduced and the next time they are full price. Where I have been able to get good prices is when Lowes or HD change manufacturer and you get the old vendor on clearance. When Lowes got rid of Bessy I got a lot of parallel Revo clamps cheap but those events are far and few between. I recently got a lot of Irwin router bits at Lowes because they changed from Irwin to Bosch.
Very nice& thorough review, appreciate your attention to detail, and I thought it was clear what you meant about extending clamp to for attaching to a drill press or table saw top. I have older Jorgensen clamps and I notice the protection pads will leave an 'oily' looking spot on the wood. While it doesn't seem to affect the final finish, it always concerns me. Do you notice with the other clamps?
So far I have had good luck with my harbor freight clamps. I do not over tighten them tho. Just enough to squeeze the glue, then I stop
Another great video. Onw thing I do wish is I had some longer reach F style. Can't wait until you do one for Parallel or bar clamps!
I've been very happy with the deeper reach f clamps I got at menards. If you don't live in the Midwest you can get them from the website. Nice heavy duty clamps, and very reasonably priced. They are clutchless, like the medium duty Bessel clamps.
You had me at, "meltdown." Keep it up!
First I want to thank you for doing another great video. I have a good bit of H.F. f-style clamps. I would check them in the store to see if they function correctly like all clamps I'm about to buy. I also take the pads off of the top to see if the metal is flat or angled. I've found angled metal top pads on H.F. of course as well as the Jorgensen's in that 4 pack when Lowe's had them on sale. I want to check the TayTools version out. Thanks again for the comparisons
Really enjoy your informative videos. Question...do you know of a clamp that has a larger jaw (space between the pads and the clutch bar) there are certain projects I do where the added reach to the center of a piece would be really beneficial. My personal preference is the Jorgenson clamps and I will definitely be using the double-sided tape hack to secure the pads.
For pads, I gorilla glue ¼" leather pads on then trim them.
As always. Excellent vid fair and
Unbiased
I have been phasing out my 2300 Harbor Freight clamps, I mean I know I invested 35 bucks for them all but, yeah, 23 turns SUCK!!!! I like the bessey!!
Great video thanks so much.
I have the Bessey clamps and really like them and plan to keep buying the 4-packs as I need more. I also have the HF clamps but they are no doubt cheaper quality and less clamping power.