Plato, The Gorgias | Knowledge, Good Will, Frankness of Speech | Philosophy Core Concepts
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This is a video in my new Core Concepts series -- designed to provide students and lifelong learners a brief discussion focused on one main concept from a classic philosophical text and thinker.
This Core Concept video focuses on Plato's dialogue, the Gorgias, specifically on a passage in the conversation between Socrates and the host of the evening's conversations, Callicles. After Callicles has told Socrates that philosophy is fine for children and young men, but that a mature man ought to leave it behind, Socrates ironically tells Callicles that he is certain to get a good assessment of his character from Callicles. Socrates claims that for a person who wants to be a good tester and judge of whether others are living their lives well, and whether their souls are well-nurtured, three characteristics are needed.
These three are knowledge (epistēmē) good will (eunoia), and frankness or freedom of speech (parrhēsia). Socrates claims that Callicles has demonstrated that he possesses all three of these traits, and has displayed them towards Socrates.
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Wow, this video was incredibly insightful! I love how it delved into Plato's Gorgias and explored the core concepts of knowledge, good will, and frankness of speech. It's amazing how relevant these ideas are even in today's world. Thank you for sharing this thought-provoking content! Keep up the great work!
Glad you enjoyed it
What translation do you reccomend of this dialgoue? I have W.D. Woodheads translation here as part of the collected dialogues of plato, including the letters
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Couldn't we say that Socrates is being a little ironic about Callicles being completely frank in his speech as well? Quite clearly he is quite forthright in what he says, but it might not be his true opinion. Consider, Socrates earlier saying that the Athenian populous is Callicles' muse, and can't contradict them. Plus, Callicles seems to all be willing to change and say different things to Socrates, he "never says the same things in relation to the same issues".
Also, wouldn't this list of attributes be in tension with Socrates being the supposed gadfly that brings people to wisdom? I mean, wouldn't his use of irony mean he isn't being frank in his speech?
Anything can be possible in your imagination, of course. Doesn’t make speculations likely or plausible though
You’re going to want to look into what frankness of speech (parrhesia) would encompass. It’s certainly compatible with being a gadfly. It’s also compatible with saying different things at different times. Your main concern is whether it is compatible with Socratic irony
@@GregoryBSadler Where exactly would you say I go wrong in my reading? Don't my two points at least give some room for doubt?
Buddy, I gave you some frank speech right there. And nobody owes you further conversation or explanations
@@GregoryBSadler My bad. Didn't see your edit.
do you think that Plato has portrayed Gorgias badly now that Gorgias agrees in the dialogue with the opposition of knowledge and opinion? (which a true sophist/rhetoric would not do)
There's no such thing as a " true sophist/rhetoric", so that's kind of a non-starter. It'a not like being a sophist came with a set of rules you had to follow in order to be one
When the Jehovah witnesses say they want to audit me.
I think that's more likely the Scientologists