@@beyallluv I agree modern music is trash no story line. Nice beats with garbage lyrics on top. There are some that are ok don’t get me wrong 90% is trash. For those that grew up on this would beg to differ. You can test this theory, put on some modern music at a family reunion. Then play some Marvin Gay the whole family is up and dancing. Even Great grandma with her bad hip.
he's not wrong. everybody's beats sound the same now. ever since roddy ricch's "the box" came out, everyone uses the same kick in every rap song. its insane. i come from the era of super producers where everyone had a unique sound. neptunes, timbaland, trackmasters, just blaze, swizz beatz, danjahandz, rockwilder, dj premier, j.dilla, rodney jerkins, kanye, rick rock, battlecat, dr,dre, dj quik, daz dillinger, ea ski. everybody had their own style & sound. it wasn't like today where everyone is a copycat smh
There are many original-sounding producers out there. The INDUSTRY is not reeling them in and putting them on because as usual THEY are gatekeeping the sound that's being promoted.
They aren’t lying. All trap music sounds like one producer is making ALL the beats for everyone, and half of the “hip-hop” producers today can’t make a beat without someone else creating drum kits with melodies/stems included.
Copycats existed then and exist now. How many Chronics clones were there? The new generation didn’t invent un-originality. We even had shinobis rocking khaki suits and locs in Atlanta back in the early nineties. Decatur was looking like Crenshaw for a minute. I ain’t forget. We sampled James Brown into dust, made Too $hort complain about it.
Yeah if you only making trap beats let's be honest he's butt hurt because alot of producers look at that as your not a producer u are a beat maker ask Dj Quik he said the same thing
Dre's bring a Hypocrite, he didn't do alot by his self, but he's hating on Collab Culture. Even Scott Storch was one of the many ppl behind Dre's sound
No they arent. They are disconnected. Also they are correlating views with success. We have a word for people with no talent who blowup for a short period of time. ONE HIT WONDER. This is the most diverse time in music and you worrying about mainstream completely misses where we are in music
A producer is a person that sees a song or album from A to Z. Not necessarily making every beat and playing every instrument. You can produce an album or song without touching one key. The title of producer has gotten lost in the sauce because of technology. Quincy Jones wasn’t making beats on Thriller. He went out and found songs like Human Nature. He brought in the right collection of musicians and took demos Mike had and took them to another level. Dre is absolutely right when it comes to production. Sure he signed “producers” under him but they’re just COMPOSERS at that moment. They’re not responsible for seeing the song from start to finish. And Dre would punch up their beats as well. A producer is involved in the recording process of the song or album as well. I fully understand what dre means by in the beginning he didn’t have anybody else around. What thing I learned from Quincy Jones is he brought in musicians who were producers in their own right. I do the same thing in my productions. The meaning of producer has changed over time because one guy can get on an mpc or FL studio and play all the plugins and drum sounds and program. But that never was the essence of a producer. You’re just a composer in that instance. Now they’re stamping “produced by” on everything and all they did was composed a beat and the rapper rapped whatever they wanted to rap and the beat maker was never in the room. Didn’t have any say so on how the song was created. That is NOT production.
Y'all should've heard the demo versions of a few songs that made it on the Doggfood album. Dr. Dre made Daz & Kurupt redo their vocals and change up words. Dr. Dre brought those songs to life when he mixed their album. Even though Soopafly and Daz produced that album, Dr. Dre over saw the entire album and made sure everything sounded good & mixed right before Deathrow Records put it out to the world
He's right that everyone tries to sound alike. There's more wave riders than wave makers. It's why everyone started producer tags because you can't tell who made just by how it sounds
Facts! Nowadays these so called producers spend more time on hi hat triplets and snare rolls then the actual beat. It's all garbage to me because they all sound the same and bite each other. I remember when you actually had to be unique and have your own style. The underground is thrivin while the mainstream is dyin.
Dre is right. it's alot of copy-catting cut and paste with producers and rapping. he's just trying to say...just be original. do it for the passion...not fame/money.
Okay let’s say your driving in your car and a hot song comes on. Your feeling the song, who gives a fuck how the song was made. Do what you do and do it legal, enjoy yourself and get paid.
That's because the labels aren't taking chances on new sounds until a new sound hits, then the labels all hop on the new sound, milk it dry and the process repeats.
Be original. It used to be where you could tell who produced the song. Now everything sounds the same. They’re speaking facts. Don’t be mad because most TH-cam producers have a sound pack to buy. A course to sell. But where are the songs being placed? But when they sampled it was more creative than what is done now.
Sound packs and ameture courses are a sketchy money grab. People should be mad about creative art being reduced to "content" because C.R.E.A.M. Song "placements" are a bugys modern circle jerk that fosters further centralization of value created through music.
Snoop sounds like Slick Rick, Nas sounds like Rakim, Mariah Carey was like Whitney, Bobby Brown was seen as the new Michael Jackson as is Chris Brown,Michael Jackson was seen as a new James Brown, jadkiss and Mase sounded similar add Faboulous in there too, the rumour is Drake sounds like everyone and the list goes on.. So noone is complety orignal ..Everything influences everything.. When new jack swing out the beats all sounded similar thats why posion can be mixed all the songs of that time...Same with 80s disco..People may have had their own personalities but there was a general sound.
When CREAM dropped we didn't care how many rappers were on 1 beat. Likewise, who cares how many producers are on 1 track if the track is hot? Before computers we had entire orchestras, pianists, percussionists, drummers, bass players and etc. all on 1 track. Technology stopped us from coming together making music. There's absolutely nothing wrong with collabs. It gets producers out out their echo chambers, it challenges them because they are around others who are talented, they learn new ideas and etc. There's always been producer collabs. 808 Mafia showed us the benefit of having a team of multiple producers. You can create quantity without compromising on quality. You got to take everything said with a grain of salt when it comes to listening to these well established old heads. Some of them still giving you 90's advice in the 2000's!!!!! Timbaland complained about too many producer on 1 beat but he praised AI tech as a co producer lol!!! I rather have 10 humans on 1 beat than to be alone in a studio with 1 AI partner. The vibes just different.
I understand what they are saying and it's something I've noticed too. Most producers had unique drum compositions. Listen to the music of the 90s and 2000s all those producers used different drum compositions. Some used 2 different snares blended together. Some used a snare and a certain other percussion element. Some use a snare and a clap. Some use 2 different claps. Some use 2 percussion elements. Some use just 1 snare or 1 clap. Some use 3. That's why instead of buying other people's drum kits I collect drum samples so I can make my own kits. It's not necessarily out having other people's kits but if you're going to use them, mix them up. Put a Metro Boomin snare on top of a Timbaland snare or something like that instead as opposed to everybody using the same 4 kits exactly they came. I think that's what they are talking about. With all of the synthesizers, drum machines, and VSTs have been created and released throughout the years there's no way anybody's music should sound the same as anybody else's.
Creativity ✨✨✨ is the KEY to lasting success 😮😮!! Just editing DRUM/LOOP PACKS together all Willy Nilly is not being creative. Taking something and TRANSFORMING it with YOUR OWN SECRET SAUCE 🫙🫙 into something DOPE is DOPE 😮😮😮 I was HERBIE HANCOCK'S CHIEF ENGINEER in the 80s (search Herbie Hancock David Letterman - go to 6:15 and you will see me). I went out on location and recorded trains with a SONY PCM F1 (look it up), brought the sounds back to the STUDIO and Herbie TRANSFORMED the TRAIN SOUNDS into a song entitled METAL BEAT. Years later Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis SAMPLED the beginning of METAL BEAT and created NASTY BOYS! Now that is SUPER CREATIVE 😮😮😮🎉🎉🎉 We need more of those types of creatives; not the. COPY & PASTE PRODUCER!!
If you were a producer like me in the 80s and 90s, you used Ultimate Breaks and Beats Volume 1 through 25 for just about every song you made.😂. No one was thinking about sample clearance…at all until the Biz Markie case.
Snoop is trying to say, back in their time, a producer didn't have sample packs. They had to find a great drum loop or sound to sample. Those loops were basically discoveries to the listening ear. To find a rare loop is what made a song project unique.
So what? Producers in the 50s didn't have MPCs. Things evolve. Also, established producers have been sharing curated sounds with each other for decades, from one shot drum hits to loops. That evolved into sample packs. I've got lots of interviews of established producers talking about how they shared sounds with each other, like Eminem saying that Dre used to spoon feed him drum samples.
@@dugnice Facts! And once again they're full of shit because sampling James Brown, Parliament and Sly Stone is NOT a musical discovery, that's like me making a song today and sampling Cole, Drake and Kendrick. But them old niggas definitely used to get the curated samples from niggas like Gene Brown and everybody was using the same patches on the workstation keyboards and the E-mu modules, the same way niggas is all using the same VSTs now. They all used the same dumb ass Impeach the President and Amen Break the same way niggas is all using the same Spinz 808 now
@dugnice sharing sounds is not the issue. It's the sharing of sounds with an infinite number of producers. Causing over saturation. The names you mentioned didn't share with just anyone. They were very selective of whom they shared their unique drums and / or loops. Also, let's remember licensing can be time-consuming and costly, Splice and sample packs have made things easier. I don't think anyone is hating on industry evolution, but it is so much easier now than in the past. I use everything available to me that makes creating so much easier. For context, I was born into the music industry . I've been in it since THE first sampler, the Fairlight CMI 1979, to the introduction of Midi 1984.
@@egmusic5042 Oversaturation isn't really the problem, the problem is lack of creativity and that's not even really a problem because those producers aren't getting lots of placements, so I don't even know why people are complaining. It's not even consumers that are complaining because they're getting music either for free or cheap, so they don't really mind if a lot of music sounds the same, they just enjoy the music they like and bypass what they don't. If consumers weren't consuming it, the artists and producers wouldn't make it. It's that simple.
Totally true. Beat makers are not producers, they are re-producers. A proper producer is a record producer. A producer, get's the best performance, many creat their own music. It is about time someone tells the truth.
There are a lot of producers that could be in that discussion. Johnny J is probably the most slept on producer in Hip Hop/rap history and he produced probably 50+% of Pac's biggest songs from 1994 to 1996, including 11 of the 27 songs on All Eyez On Me, arguably Pac's most popular album. Not to mention the hits he produced for Candyman (a lot of people aren't even familiar with him). We could throw N.O. Joe in that discussion,. considering he started producing in 1994 when he was only 18 or 19 years old producing on all but 2 of the songs on Scarface's The Diary album and going on to produce on 2 more Scarface albums as well as for the Geto Boys, including 11 of the 15 songs on Til Death Do Us Part, arguably the most popular Geto Boys album, certainly my favorite and a couple of UGK albums. He almost single handedly provided the sound of deep south Hip Hop for most of the 90s. Basically he was the Dr. Dre of the deep south. We could even throw Jermaine Dupri's name in that discussion, considering he pretty much single handedly provided the sound of Atlanta Hip Hop for the early to mid 90s. I'd consider him the Dr. Dre of Atlanta, at least in the early to mid 90s.
These modern "artists" are just not the type to sit in a room for a week and figure out the architecture of something magical. I can here there 20second tik tok attention spans come through in the crap they make, utterly and thoroughly disposable
Right. People act like producers are forcing labels and artists to pick similar sounding beats. These artists are choosing the beats they want and many of them aren't trying to fly a producer to them to work in the studio unless we're talking about an established producer and even then a lot of times those producers are just playing beats for the artist to pick from, they aren't always making something new from scratch together.
I disagree with majority of your argument regarding sampling/Dr Dre production (even tho you do got a point about Scott, Daz etc) The point they were making is that todays music is essentially microwave where everyone is copying the same style trap wise rapping wise the music has become diluted and sound the same where every artist trying to emulate the same diluted sound and style. Regarding your point about sampling, there's a difference between the type of sampling what Dre ( and other of his era like Preme etc) who digged and found samples to loop or chop up into beats Today you have same producers using loops from splice and sample packs, looping it, half timing it and putting generic trap drums and calling it a beat. You cannot compare the two
Dre can afford to hire musicians to interpolate samples or create original music. The kids fresh outta high school or whatever that want to be a producer usually can't and it's not fair to say that only trained musicians should be producers because Ye wasn't a trained musician when he started, he relied on samples, was mentored by several established producers and hires musicians to create original music or interpolate samples.
@@King-oj8hr I know that Dre has hired musicians to create original music or interpolate samples, he's said so himself. Don't try to discredit me because you're a glizzy eating fanatic.
@@dugnice you a whole re tard. You sayin shxt we all know soundin like a mf who lacks any kind of skill and tryin to find any excuse as to why you sound like everyone else! Weird ahh lil boy. Regardless of Dre hiring musicians he still has more talent and skill and originality than the majority! You ain’t pulling up no Dre beat, no Em beat, no Timbo beat, No JDilla, No 9th wonder beat, No DJ Quick beats etc (in which all have used other musicians), that sound like everyone else’s shxt! They all sound different! Not sharing and using the same loop packs and up on splice while watching TH-cam tips and tricks videos of how to sound like the last and the next mf. They all have creativity and originality! Thats like saying “Man Quincy Jones Ain’t shxt CUz He Hired Musicians” tfoh! Every producer that Dre took under his wing have all said they became better because of his Knowledge and skill set!
I agree with Dre and Snoop on this. Shit sounds the same nowadays. I don’t think it’s because of sample packs, I do think it is what mainstream music is allowing through. Also artist are looking for another artist sound. Same with producers. Digging through sample packs and chopping up is the same process as digging through crates and chopping. Problem is nobody is chopping, just looping 4-8 bars.
The producers of Motown called hiphop producers , beat machine users trash back then . Plus how snoop and Dre talked about being original , all Dre did was sample his parent’s music . Rock and roll artist have sued each other and have been sued by folk artists because some rock and roll artists took a riff or chorus . Kirt Franklin and others have sampled too .
Actually brother, Dre doesn't sample, he brings in musicians to replay whatever sound he likes and wants to use. It's called interpolation. I wish people will learned the difference.
They’re speaking truth. I was just saying this to my son. They’re so scared to be original, we are only connected through groove! It just has to be groovy! But be original. This hater tag is being misused and dumb downed to the point you can’t even have a truthful debate. Hip hop is music appreciation ave! It’s a Dj culture. You’re acting unknowingly.
@@ksager123 you are a damn lie! Rza doesn’t sound like Pete Rock, Primere doesn’t sound like Q tip, large professor doesn’t sound like havoc! Only these beat biters dope style takers sound a like with their tutorials and put your snare here or this is how j dilla samples fraud ass sounds a like.
There have always been producers who didn't have a distinct sound, that was one reason for producer tags, so that listeners knew who made the beat because the sound wasn't distinct. That's actually a sign of great creativity, when a producer can make lots of beats that DON'T sound similar and people can't tell that the producer made them all. That actually used to be a source of pride for such producers. Of course, there's nothing wrong with having a distinct sound, that way people know who made the beat just based on the style, but it locks that producer in a stylistic box.
@@reifwest8899 That's called an executive producer and every album usually has one, sometimes there are two or more, but usually there's only one executive producer that oversees an album.
Then listen to old music or make the new original music you want. Problem solved. Right? I think it's funny how old producers talk shit about newer producers but aren't making new hits themselves. Why is that? 🤔
Not really. That's just something some established producers say to discredit lower level producers that are competition. There's no such thing as beat maker credits. If you make a beat and an artist uses it, you get producer credit and as a producer, why tf would you argue against that? 🤦🏻♂️
I been producing for over 35 years and got some credits from artist! I do agree with what they saying!!!!!! I did a song for Kobe Bryant back in 2000 but because of what I was doing, he flew me all the way from RVA to record at Village Studios in Santa Monica because of my sound! You couldn’t just do the same shit back thing that sounded like somebody else, be different!
I like your MPC videos, but I don't understand where all this hating is coming from lately. Timestamp : 3:45 - He did not even say that. Sounds like you're just hating. 8:45 - But that's the point that they are making. They had to be unique and still receive the hate. Now look where they are.
@@AveMcree What went over your head is what Dre and Snoop were saying. 90 percent of what you said had nothing to do with what they said. For example, what does some people, mainly a minority from the East Coast not liking Dre and Snoops muisic or West Coast music got to with anything? He wasn't saying music isn't subjective and what people like will vary. What he's saying is talent and quality wise there is overwhelming amount of music that the majority would consider trash based on what certain criteria society has deemed the standard for greatness. I don't want to even get into co producers and Dre being the producer and final decision maker 100 percent of the time on all projects. He wasn't implying that he didn't have a camp and contributors when he said " one producer" for a album. He was talking about a sound and direction that is cohesive. He programed drums and didn't use loops for that part of production for the most part . Him using live musicians along with samples ( SOMETIMES) is factual. His vocal producing abilities. His mixing ability. His ear. His ability to know what a great artist is. Then Snoop is right. I would say 85 percent of hip hop sounds the same and the production is average at best 60 percent of the time. 70 percent of rappers today wouldnt have even seen the light of day in the 80's 90's and early 2000's. Beat makers aren't music producer. They hand off music to people who make and complete records. Look at the list of people who Dre signed and worked with and was instrumental in them becoming successful. It would be wise for you to listen and learn. ✌🏾️
@@kscott360 that's good analysis... people often listen to argue vs. listening to understand. but to what you said... i enjoy the "album" experience, every once in a while. the sound that is crafted by one producer (quincy jones, dj quik, etc.) vs. many producers (illmatic, all eyez on me, etc)... is a much different experience, and i prefer it when i'm listening to entire albums, but i don't know if music is consumed like that anymore... do people still put on a record and let it ride for 60 minutes?
Dre and snoop is right. This is the problem with hip hop right now. No originality. In the golden era, no one sounded the same. You really had different vibes and legit choices. It's no experimenting being done.
Actually if you go beyond Hip Hop modern music period or for the most part is no longer original. You can have the same discussion about Rock, Country, and definitely Pop, the reason being is they're all using the same technology. When it comes to movies it's even worse with all the box office flops. The new Joker movie along with many others all were a half a billion dollar flops. The only reason music artist or albums are not flopping as movies are, is because the youth are more passive listeners than in times past because people are no longer paying for music which is starting to change with what I've been recently seeing on youthful podcast discussing these type of issues.
@dugnice A couple of the podcast you can check out are (Pop Culture Crisis) (Jesterbell video (Is Hollywood Dying) Ava Catherine video (Modern Music is Boring) The Full Stack Creative video (The music industry is going to zero). Get back with me for your thoughts.👍
dem joints isn't the only producer to drum program for dre. he rarely mentions focus or dj khalil, b!nk, king karnov, mahogany, hi-tek or nottz either.
@@mwebster3265 if somebody works for you, they should be paid, compensated & given credit for their work, so that they can get more work when other artists see their credit on albums. i'm not quite sure what people have against beatmakers getting paid or getting their credit for drum programming. aside from mixing/mastering, it is the most complicated & part of the music-making process & the people who do it should be appreciated, credited & compensated.
@mwebster3265 if somebody works for you, they should be paid, compensated & given credit for their work, so that they can get more work when other artists see their credit on albums. i'm not quite sure what people have against beatmakers getting paid or getting their credit for drum programming. aside from mixing/mastering, it is the most complicated & part of the music-making process & the people who do it should be appreciated, credited & compensated.
These two are just some examples of what happens when you “make it”your perception is tainted by your success and often forget what you were before all the fame and fortune and become hypocrites . But it’s true that most producers sound the same these days with the trap era .
@@smoothsavage2870 The confusion is people think anything with an 808 or a specific hi hat pattern is a trap beat, that’s false. I guess Boyz N the Hood is a trap beat too.
What Dre is getting at, producers usually provide direction and have a ear for what does and doesn't sound good or great. Michael Jackson Off the Wall, Thriller, and Bad all only produced by Quincy Jones. Sampling, can be considered to a limited extent, as bringing in different musicians to play to initial your melody or key.
Snoop talking is talking about Producers not having to put in the work to find loops and chopping their own drums. Cats buy sample packs and don't go digging in the crates. The sample pack companies were scarce when I started making beats. Having to dig for your own sounds used to be a vetting process....now look at how horribly saturated the game is.
Who cares? That's like saying a piano player doesn't have to tune the piano, it's already tuned for him/her so that diminishes that person's piano playing skills. Also, producers have been giving each other what we now call sample packs for years. Established producers have been sharing curated sounds for decades. Now it's big business.
Unison is making a killing with their Midi and Drum Loop packs. It's all prepared, ready to instant plug and play. I got it lasting another 2 years before disappearing.
It's not a fair assessment because the game is totally different now. Tik tok didn't exist during Dre's time neither did Spotify and etc. 360 deals didn't exist then. Social media has complete changed the nature of the game and old heads are not accounting for this when they speak. Back in the day we had "type beat" producers too because underground artist wanted that Timbaland sound or that Swizz Beatz sound but couldn't afford a 6 figure beat from Dre or Tim. I can't compare players in the NFL today to players in the old days. The league was way different. The rules were different, the equipment was less safe, the pay was lower and etc. If you don't account for these type of changes in your comparisons then you are already wrong before you start!
He samples all most of his stuff so there's more than 9 producers on his joints,and has worked with a lot of producers on his tracks nothing wrong with having multiple producers on a album everyone back in the day was a producer we just call them musicians now most produced/came up with their own music on the tracks they worked on from the ojays,earth wind and fire,rolling stones etc etc...
What Snoop & Dre is saying is that back in the day sampling + beats that producers created had their own story to tell. When a producers beat dropped back in the 90's earlier 00's you knew who it was bcuz the sounds were too creative... the beats now errbdy rapping @ a tempo of 120-160 which is trash! 💯
Bro, I appreciate your honesty and objectivity on this subject! I remember when all HipHop first sounded like Kraftwerk, as Dre and WCWC were contributors to the style of that era; yet these very same arguments presented by these OGs were used against Dre when he started sampling P-Funk. Styles of music evolve due to inspiration, competition, and creativity. I believe we older folks in music need to challenge the youth to reach far beyond what they’ve grasped while listening intently to their creations, providing constructive criticism in judging the quality of their production without being “grumpy old men” who forget so quickly being judged the same way.
@@mwebster3265 there are at least two ways as a creative that I can do that: first, I would take their concepts and reinterpret them in my own flavor; second, I would offer mentorship to aspiring young producers. Neither of these approaches will make a global difference but a few will be inspired to not settle for just anything but musical excellence.
But will/do they LISTEN 👂👂? Most are in the MIND of "IF IT AIN'T BROKE, DON'T FIX IT" so you won't naturally see a PIVOT, until SOMEONE ELSE PIVIOTS and goes VIRAL. Then, SHEEPLE they become 😮😮
I've never rated Dr Dre, the talent left NWA when Cube left. As for 9 producers on one album, albums no longer exist in hip hop because nobody listens to whole albums. It's now just a collection of tracks, you can blame Nas. And as for original, 90s hip hop wasn't that original either. Popular tracks were repeatedly ripped off and the same drum breaks were recycled.
Fam you may have to revisit the definition of what a definition is. Even though Dr. Dre worked with Warren G, Daz and etc on album, he is the sole producer of the project. They worked underneath him. 9-10 he told them what they was looking for and he was hands on production. In addition to that, we all know producers will have people play live instruments. Just bc they know how to play an instrument, does make them a producer.
No, that's called executive producing. That's why there's an executive producer credit and a regular producer credit. If someone made a beat, that person produced that beat, doesn't mean that person is the executive producer of the album.
Snoop musta forgot that he is a carbon copy of 3-2 from Houston... A lot of y'all may not know what I'm saying but if you know you know lmao...Snoop is the product of rap a lot and j prince!
Dr Dre worked with multiple producers hell he even took their work and put his name on it. Daz don’t really get his props on making beats for the chronic album and snoop first album Daz did most of them beats and later on in Dre career he was using mailman and Scott scorch and that other guy was making the beats
At least they was recorded at the studio same engineers and masters to create a glued steady sound. Thats different. These rappers are getting 20 different $20 TH-cam beats from 20 different people and 20 different places, plus the internet and slapping on a project and if you are lucky they might ai mix it or online master but a lot of times they don’t even do that.
Ave I completely agree with you on this. By track 5 on Dre’s album, Compton, there’s 9 different producers that have been credited. That is a greatly produced album to me and I appreciate all of the contributors on it, but Dre is coming off very contradictory in these statements. That said, I do agree that I want more musicianship to come back to the mainstream.
It doesn’t take a genius to understand what Dr Dre and Snoop was saying. It isn’t disrespectful😂 Its just their opinion. Music today isn’t made with the same care as the past. Beats are in FACT Copy and paste. The business doesn’t even make sense. Its not hard to see the drop in quality. the fact that this take rubs people so wrong shows how young this generation is thinking.
My thing is, if that's the case, instead of complaining, make the better quality music you think is missing. Dre's last album, Compton was released in 2015 and it's only certified gold. Snoop's last album was in 2022 and it isn't certified at all. That's not meant to be a diss to them, my point is that music sales have been in decline for years. Hardly anyone is selling records like in the 90s or early 2000s and that's due to piracy and streaming.
Glad to see most agree...a lot of music today is disposable with no soul behind it. Hopefully it's just a temporary thing but, making excuses for and accepting the awfulness of today's music wont help a bit.
Notice that everyone that works “under” Dre . All of them sound different , they all learned something & made their own sound Instead of 9 dudes today sounding the same because they just copy each others sauce
Ave I love bruh but you need to chill!!! He is right you took it to literal !!! And honestly you sound a lil salty!!! All he said was be original and dr Dre has definitely had original sonics !!! Sampling an original song and making it sound new refreshing!!!
@@smoothsavage2870 …and you don’t understand hip hop. Most samples you don’t even know where they came from when it’s done well. In most cases those samples are turned into totally different songs. We take pieces and build something brand new.
@@digitaldiezel5870 I understand hip hop and that it was built on sampling. Still doesnt change the fact that you're stealing music because you arent creative enough to make your own. It's really easy to complete a building when the foundation is already built for you.
The reason there are so many producers and artists that sound the same is largely due to the removal of the barriers and gatekeepers that used to keep mediocre musicians out of the spotlight. In a time where production equipment was expensive and difficult to learn how to use, and when there was no social media or google or youtube - you had to be truly exceptional to break through. Now anyone can buy a daw, stack a few ready made loops on top of each other and call themselves producers. And the widespread use of sample packs is another reason they all sound the same.
Mediocre producers aren't getting lots of placements, so that's not the problem. The problem is piracy and streaming, which reduced the amount of money going into the industry so now labels aren't gambling on new sounds like they used to. They wait until a new sound hits independently, then they hop on that new sound, milk it dry and the cycle repeats. People act like producers are forcing labels and artists to pick the same type of beats.
I think you’re missing the point of what Snoop is saying. For example if you gave Erick Sermon, Dre, Premier, The Bomb Squad & Marley Marl the same sample guaranteed neither of them would make it sound the same. Each producer would PRODUCE to the artists they were working with or use different pieces of the sample. Not to mention they would change the drums or add other elements. They were creative in how they approached the collage. Nowadays, a lot of beat makers will just use the famous part of a sample (Hit Men under Diddy) and use the same tools and grooves as someone else. The reason why the golden age producers each have a distinctive sound is because they found their own and didn’t copy. Even with beats, copying someone’s style was a no no.
I agree with them. Alot of the artists today sound the same. If you want to make it today you're required to sound like what's on the radio. There isn't any variety in hip hop. When Dre says they aren't producers he's talking about song from start to finish. Now maybe these beat makers today don't bring a different aspect to the art. He said cohesively. This is true. If you look at Doggystyle, it has a sound altogether. This is because Dre put together all those different producers who made records that sound cohesive. So when you see his name on those records, its because HE took pieces of what that group of producers were doing and rearranged and changed it into something different. From Eminem to Snoop on down these guys albums all are theme based. Autotune made everyone think they could sing. With the exception of T Pain, the sound is saturated and done wrong. Music is subjective and modern music is trash. Let's not lie to ourselves.
wtf!!! Are you talking bout. Yeah snoop was hated on because he was original and coming with something new and different. So you like listening to rappers sounding the same. I just lost mad respect for you. Yeah Dre sampled but he had a unique sound. Sounding like someone and being inspired are 2 different things wtf.
I think Snoop was not pointing at using samples. I think he was more pointing out that many tracks from a certain genre just sound so much alike that it is kinda sad. I was never a big fan of Snoop, not even of particular of Dre, but damn, they are very recognizable. Play me one of those auto tune tracks from hell and i have no clue who the artist is. Cause they all sound the same.
@@AveMcree This could be. I don’t know. Still even then, he has a point i believe. I think Dre shows litteral respect and has hope for future generations.
But that's the thing, categorization of a genre comes from it's similarity. How were we able to categorize G-Funk and Boom Bap? Because a lot of it sounded alike. Today's music has the same regional differences as the 90s did. NY Drill does not sound like Trap. Trap does not sound like the Cali club sound. That's how you know a certain region made the music. It does not sound the same unless you're only listening to one region and the same could be said about 90s hip hop.
@@smoothsavage2870 I figured someone would bring uo this argument. I ask myself the question; What is a genre? 😜. Let’s agree that a genre can be distinghuised by a set of rules. Like bpm etc. Is there also a rule everybody should sound alike? I beg to differ. Just look at the pallette of old skool rap. Now that’s a canon. Mumble rap and the like just don’t have that same impact. And that’s because it is not original.
@@MapleSonics I grew up in the 90s and i currently listen to modern Hip Hop. Just like the 90s, modern Hip Hop has regional differences. If you dont listen to it enough to know those differences, just say that. I aint heard one Pop Smoke song that sounds like Future or 21 Savage and vice versa. On the flipside i aint heard one YG song that sounds like the the aforementioned artists. Just so you know Not Like Us by Kendrick Lamar is the modern Cali sound.
I would not necessarily say that modern rap producers are straight up trash, but I would certainly say that they are not nearly as good as the rap producers of the 90s and even the late 80s. The rap producers from late 80s and 90s era produced a lot rap songs that ended up becoming Hip Hop Classics to the very day (mainstream and underground). TIMELESS. In this modern new millennium era, I don't hear nearly as many rap songs that are classics. They sound more like microwave music or fast-food type music. But I am not going to put all the blame on the modern rap producers, because these modern rappers in the mainstream are extremely lacking in the lyrics department. Most of these modern rappers cannot write a cohesive rap song to save their life. As a matter of fact, most of these modern mainstream rappers barely write their lyrics down at all because they are trying to do what they heard LIL WAYNE and JAY Z do in the studio. But most of these modern mainstream rappers lack the basic rhyming and lyrical skills to pull off what JAY Z does. That's why lyricism, originality, and substance is extremely lacking and way below average in modern mainstream rap songs. So I would definitely say for certain that most of these modern mainstream millennial rappers suck nowadays. The only modern mainstream millennial rappers who I respect lyrically, creatively, and substance wise are J COLE and KENDRICK LAMAR. The rest of these mainstream millennial rappers spit a bunch of mumbling trap and drill garbage lyrics.
To add each generation Hates on the following generation. But subsequently Each generation stands on the shoulders of the previous and becomes GREATER.
They are 100% correct. Today they have made it easy to put together beats so that everyone who got zero talent, just like the rapping.. No talent required
Ave thank you for not being one of the OGs that hate on the new generation just because they arent doing what the old generation was doing. I dont get how people from that era got crapped on for their music and then turn around and do the same to the next generation. I've researched music in the past and found that this is very commonplace when older music gets phased out, no matter the genre.
I never understood this whole big argument about the difference of Music back in the day and Music now. Sure, everything nowadays sounds the same. Sure, we have something that the prior generations doesn’t have (The Internet). And sure, the stories and the themes in the lyrics of a song were better and made sense back then. And whatever else you wanna add. But at the end of the day. It’s just music. It’s suppose to be fun, therapeutic, and enjoyable. This conversation is doing nothing but causing conflict between the Old School and the New School!!
Sample packs and kits is the same thing as having a stable of top notch musicians in the studio and you say “just do your thing” and you don’t give them credit. I know he did it cause that’s how it was back then.
This 1,,, I have to STRONGLY DISAGREE with my Brotha Ave Mcree on. If there was any 2 ppl that can speak on the current state of HipHop,,, It would be Dre & Snoop. The 1 Dj & 1 Emcee concept was highly Exalted by them 2. Yes I do agree that Daz, Dj Quik and Battle Cat was behind the scenes, but the bulk of that came later and thats not to mention the NWA Albums Dre Produced. That Formula still works til this day. Alchemist, Madlib, JakeOne have proven that. And 🤷🏾♂️ lets be honest, Mainstream Music does sound the same and lacks Creativity. Call a Spade a Spade homie‼️
1st let me start by staying I fk’s with your channel heavy. You provide a wealth of knowledge that has gotten me up to speed in this era of music production. Close to 30 years ago my fam and I put out our 1st album using only a S950, Proteus & Planet Phatt sound modules, and an Atari sequencer. Music industry left a bad taste in my mouth (pause) and I stopped doing beats. I recently, got back into creating beats to teach my daughter and because it soothes the soul to bang on the pads and keys again… but in order for that to happen I went and bought a MPC Live II, pulled out my old K2000 and started working on music again…Your videos/tutorials for the newer MPC’s helped me get up to speed with my Live II and now I’m back in love with creating music. In regards to the video, you’re right Dre worked with a bunch of different producers, but during that time they were only considered beat makers. Dre groomed them into being music producers. Daz, Warren, and Mel-Man were beat makers that hadn’t produced a full album on their own. Scott Storch just played dope keys over drum programs created by Mel-Man and Dre. With that being said Dre over saw all of their production as beat makers to bring it to life. In my opinion, during that time period, the only “producer” Dre worked with on his album was Quik. I consider Quik a “Producer” because Quik already had multiple successful albums that he produced on his own prior to working with Dre. Diamond D worked on the Chronic 2001 and would say he was a producer too. This is why Dre gets a bunch of well deserved credit because he’s a producer that has turned A LOT of beat makers into producers. I think what Snoop is saying about the new generation of beat makers and producers is that it’s waaaaaay easier and convenient to find loops. You don’t need to “dig in the crates” these days…technology has made that part of hiphop somewhat obsolete for newer producers. Old heads like myself still like vinyl and the fun of spending hours finding that sample on old records that no one has used. Most new beat maker/producers prefer to cut out the timely crate digging for samples, the perfect snare, kick, hi hat, etc…it’s inconvenient and sample packs are readily available online and the amount of time it takes to dig in crates the modern day beat maker can bang out 8 beats in that same amount of time. I see the value in both old and new beat making methods. I appreciate your content and keep doing what you do bro.
No both of them are telling the truth. Even the youth which I've been recently watching on TH-cam are starting to discuss these issues. Movies are even worse with all of the box office flops. There's nothing wrong with using technology, it's the heavy reliance on technology that's the problem. The heavy reliance of C.G.I. and computerized beats is becoming redundant to the point where half a billion dollar movies like the new Joker movie is a box office desaster.
Snoop Dog: Be Original Meanwhile Dre Gotta Alotta Beats from Other Composers & Session Musicians 👀, Hating Ass Hater Dr Dre literally Contradicts himself.
You sound like you hating because you feel like he talking down on Your generation or your style of beat making,and really the new artist can't comment on it his track record speaks for itself😮
6:58 what Snoop is sayin is there was no sample pack back in the day where there were plug & play loops where you could quite literally make hundreds of beats by just dragging and dropping drum loops over melody loops without having to do anything else.
I agree totally with them both I've been doing this for over 40years and I agree there is a difference between a producer and a beatmaker I did both for years. I didn't think I was the best at what I do but working with the artist hands on its the producers job to take the artist vision way beyond what he or she intended. Everyone is definitely entitled to there opinion but the producer has that ear for sound.I have nothing against these new artist at all I've watched hiphop change through the years and yes I went through this when I started in the late 70s.
Not really. That's just something some established producers say to discredit lower level producers that are competition. There's no such thing as beat maker credits. If you make a beat and an artist uses it, you get producer credit and as a producer, why tf would you argue against that? 🤦🏻♂️
We all can single handedly thank Fruity Loops for this. They all are using the same loop packs, have ZERO musical ability, don't even use a keyboard to make music, they're drawing in notes with a mouse and the music directly reflects that. You don't have to be a Bryan Michael Cox on the keys or Questlove on drums, but have SOME musical ability. These new folks don't know how to do anything. From loop packs, midi packs, the likes of Splice, they literally are just dragging and dropping pre-made sounds and throwing extremely basic drums on top, it's a losing situation. It definitely is not all Fruity users, but 85% of them are drag and drop beatmakers. Feel how you want but the proof is in the pudding. Today's rap music directly reflects that.
There have been plenty of producers that used the same samples from the same records. Navie D just recently posted a video asking who flipped the same sample the best between the Just Blaze produced "Song Cry" for Jay-Z and the Alchemist produced "Hold you down" from his 1st Infantry album, featuring Prodigy. Both songs used the same sample source but the two producers used the samples differently.
@@dugnice Just Blaze didn't make 'Song Cry', Kanye did. But i saw the same video you're referencing and both those beats sounded completely different. You pointed out the exact opposite of what i said. I said these producers are using sample packs and sound the same, not different. CREATIVELY sampling and turning it into another piece of music altogether is completely different from copying and pasting. So sampling itself isn't bad because as we all know, Hip-Hop started from sample based beats. But it's the low talent level usage of sample and midi packs, note clicking with a mouse and overall lack of musical ability that is crippling the hip-hop beat community. These new producers simply have NO skill and copy and paste to make a beat. And it all started with 12 and 13 yr olds downloading a cracked copy of FL and having ZERO musical ability or creativity.
@@cavrenodem2436 Pardon me, I got the songs mixed up, Just Blaze's was "Soon you'll understand". I'm in my 40s and my memory isn't as good as it used to be. My point is that producers using the same sample sources isn't a new phenomenon, but I agree with you that some people aren't creative in how they use the same sample sources, but it's a non issue because these people aren't getting lots of placements anyway, so what are people complaining about, that they get unearned views on TH-cam or something? 🤷🏻♂️
Also the producers being complained about aren't forcing A&Rs and artists to pick any beats, they're picking the beats they want. Why are people blaming the producers for the decisions of the A&Rs and artists?
@@dugnice No, Dre and Snoop were both talking about beats that ARE getting placed and how they all sound the same. As well as some up and coming producers that they come across and it just sounds like 1 long run-on beat. Again, it's not the sampling the same source, no one is debating that point, so you can put that argument to bed. It's the OVER usage of the same sample packs, drum packs, etc. and not even making an attempt to stand out or be creative with the way they use it. So to sum this up, modern producers suck and Fruity Loops is to blame…
Dre and Snoop seem to be conflating production creativity and original sample creation. They make a lot of valid respectable points but fail to point out that they too are using other peoples music and not creating a completely original piece. They too are using loops except they had to put more effort into chopping and editing due to lack of technology and because there wasn't companies like Splice. I'm also certain they also hired session musicians to create, write melodies with work for hire contracts in which Dre would pay them good money to buy ownership of whatever original music was authored by the musician instead of licensing.
Modern Producers are beyond garbage. They all use 808s drums. Nobody stands out or is unique. Every song I hear has the 808s and drum pattern. Every album I hear from down south, all songs have 808 drum kits. Its boring, and I skip to the next song after 15 seconds of hearing it
the problem is people using the same exact drum sounds. i always had this problem from producers since back in 2012. think its way too saturated now that we have too many upcoming beatmakers using them generic sounds
They all just tools remember it don’t bother me too much but if you good it will stand out plus the rap flows are generic like those old heads nurse rhyme
I'm 46 and I remember my mom and grandma saying your music has the same beat. Lol. But it seemed rare remixing certain vocals over certain beats in the 90s. Now it seems you like you can take modern verses and slap it over any trap beat
First off I highly respect Dr. Dre but he is being a true hypocrite here. @9:30 he speaks about "true musicians" and he does not know how to play. I remember back in the day in the early 2000s he spoke about wanting to learn to play the piano and "never" took the time out to while having all the resources to. And please don't bring up any of those clips where he is fiddling around off tempo playing simple things. I've been playing the piano for 2 decades and don't knock him. He is one of the greatest and deserves respect but so does the new school.
WHO DIDN'T LIKE SNOOP?? WTF?? Listen. Everyone tryin' to sound like J DILLA or MF DOOM or Kanye... But MOSTLY Dilla. Smh. Dre MADE interpolations Big Bass played alot of interpolations for Dre. Check the credits. Av tripping for clicks... Foh. Lol.
I agree with him. All the beats today feel the same . Same FL hihats and 808 vibes. In regards to Dre’s comment about producing an album, granted he had others around him , Scott, focus but Dre PRODUCED those albums similar to what Quincy Jones did back in the day . Yea I agree with him.
the "9 producers per album" era started when labels started pushing for more singles. I think the sentiment here is that albums now just feel like a bunch of singles for short attention spans where albums used to be really interesting, carry a theme, tell a story or have some kind of consistent vibe.
@@jackbauer1805 Dre aint getting busy like everybody else. Taking part in engineering etc aint the topic here. What new styles has Dre brought to the game. The same sound he had with pac was the same with snoop. Eminem made him create crazy melodies and thats it. With 50, its still kinda signature Dre. Im not impressed and F Dre. His beats never stood out to me. PAC said he could see the evolution of production, crazy new sounds and was all for it. These dudes are gate keepers, trying to monopolise music. DRE wants that coz all the royalties go to 1 producer. You are the s2pid one.
@@sosinati3358 another young idiot... Foh and enjoy this bullshit put out today.. SMH BTW, check out Marsha Ambrosius latest album for some of Dre's recent work. Not that simple trap bullshit... 🤡
Dre just produced Marsha's album, CASABLANCO, start to finish. He is preparing to do the same with Mary J. They have a few tracks done already. He just finished producing and mixing Snoop's entire album. Dre produces and oversees a lot of work by other artists for free and doesn't take credit or sign any contracts.
Yes you are right about the sample part but it was the feeling of the way they did the drums that fits the rapper sound like yourself is what they really saying
@ave your take on this conversation 100% embodies why your viewed in this community like you are! You never stand on anything! one minute your riding with the older producer community then the next your pandering to the new producers and trying to be accepted and relevant in there algorithms!🤦🏽♂️ what you fail to realize is that Dre and snoop can whole heartedly make those 100% accurate statements because they don’t need the acceptance of the younger community because they are solidified!!! But you on the other hand is someone who really needs the acceptance of the younger community for clicks and views! and Your stance on topics are always biased and disingenuous! and Just because you have an allegiance to akai (shil) to promote and push there next piece of shiny toy junk on the new producers for sales!… your position will compromised from the start so spare us with your viewpoint on core issues within the producer community because no one who is a serious and mature participant such as myself values it at all!… now this is just my take on this subject! I WILL NOT! be engaging in any frivolous immature back and forth’s about my opinion! You posted a video and I’m commenting nothing more nothing less!
I see you speak for all these trap producers drill producers etc I totally agree with dr Dre my guy it sounds like you trying to promote all of these people that really don't care about music that that just want a pay check
Everybody wants money for their work. You seem to forget that Hip Hop became a money grab in it's the golden era... the 90s. That's when everything went full on mainstream.
@smoothsavage2870 I guess I gotta dumb it down for you more. Trap and/or drill is the money grab? Let's be honest. All that shit sound the same so Dre is in fact, right? There's no creativity, no soul. And if you agree with Av You're part of the problem Talent will eventually triumph over People that don't care about the craft
@@ArthurRockett Trap and Drill (Chicago or NY) sounds nothing alike. It's crazy to me how some of yall have the nerve to turn your noses up at modern production when the only thing your fave producers do/did is steal what was already created. How creative are you really when all the work is already done for you? It's real easy to have soul when you're stealing it like Shang Tsung.
@@ArthurRockett Yall were just going to your neighbors houses and stealing dinner off their table and their finely aged wines 🤣. Modern producers are trying to make new meals on their own. Some know how to season well and do new things with the ingredients and others are just good at copying the formula, but at least it's THEIRS. But ok, you have a good one.
They all recorded where Dr Dre was either staying or had his place of business. That makes him the producer. Migos flow and ATL sound made everyone complacent.
Dre took too long make and album it force the game. Too change. It's nothing wrong with using fl studio or other software and nothing wrong with hardware back in days. Alotta the hip hop songs in early 90s were samples songs
I'm 46 fam, been beat making and producing since my late teens. I use to make all my beats from scratch , drum machines and instruments. now a days I've gotten heavy into sample chopping and I will say that there is just as much skill and technique that goes into sampling and flipping samples. Kinda sad it seems dre is so disconnected from the game or has misconceptions about the music genre he's from
I agree. It all sounds the same. Modern music is boring. Sorry not sorry. Respect other people's opinions. Its not hate. Geez
Mainstream music underground poppin
You a hypocrite because you’re not respecting my opinion. Now go say my opinion don’t matter so I can mirror your energy
never trust people who edit there comments.. lol that aint what you said originally.. stand on business
@AveMcree Dude leave the West be
@@beyallluv
I agree modern music is trash no story line. Nice beats with garbage lyrics on top. There are some that are ok don’t get me wrong 90% is trash. For those that grew up on this would beg to differ. You can test this theory, put on some modern music at a family reunion. Then play some Marvin Gay the whole family is up and dancing. Even Great grandma with her bad hip.
he's not wrong. everybody's beats sound the same now. ever since roddy ricch's "the box" came out, everyone uses the same kick in every rap song. its insane. i come from the era of super producers where everyone had a unique sound. neptunes, timbaland, trackmasters, just blaze, swizz beatz, danjahandz, rockwilder, dj premier, j.dilla, rodney jerkins, kanye, rick rock, battlecat, dr,dre, dj quik, daz dillinger, ea ski. everybody had their own style & sound. it wasn't like today where everyone is a copycat smh
Don't forget Bangladesh. You can tell one of his beats a mile away... Jazzy Pha, Mannie Fresh and Beats by the Pound. You could really tell.
That's why I make beats!! To be creative
Sounds like u just been gradually listening to more and more mainstream shit lol.
Plenty of unique styles out there. Just not on Spotify.
@@mwebster3265 that southern garbage is what ruined shit cause now every beat has a distorted 808 that drowns out the melodies and samples
U can’t forget to mention the Alchemist I’d venture to even say boi-1da is the most creative producer of this era
There are many original-sounding producers out there. The INDUSTRY is not reeling them in and putting them on because as usual THEY are gatekeeping the sound that's being promoted.
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Gatekeeping a sound is nasty work!
Ain't that the truth!
They aren’t lying. All trap music sounds like one producer is making ALL the beats for everyone, and half of the “hip-hop” producers today can’t make a beat without someone else creating drum kits with melodies/stems included.
Trap isnt the only modern sound in Hip Hop. Just like G-Funk wasnt the only sound in the 90s.
Ur stuck in the mainstream dawg. Underground welcomes you
@@Mi_Mono listen to my music. Been underground since the 90’s. 😛🙌🏽
Copycats existed then and exist now. How many Chronics clones were there? The new generation didn’t invent un-originality.
We even had shinobis rocking khaki suits and locs in Atlanta back in the early nineties. Decatur was looking like Crenshaw for a minute. I ain’t forget.
We sampled James Brown into dust, made Too $hort complain about it.
@@Quantumedic true, but 20 years of the same thing starts to get annoying. 🤣
I think you in your feelings for a reason. 😂 They are speaking facts
Definitely got him as a beat maker 😂! Producers actually work side by side with artist vs the beat maker who just sends the zips 😆 🤣 😂
Yeah if you only making trap beats let's be honest he's butt hurt because alot of producers look at that as your not a producer u are a beat maker ask Dj Quik he said the same thing
Dre's bring a Hypocrite, he didn't do alot by his self, but he's hating on Collab Culture. Even Scott Storch was one of the many ppl behind Dre's sound
Exactly
No they arent. They are disconnected. Also they are correlating views with success. We have a word for people with no talent who blowup for a short period of time. ONE HIT WONDER. This is the most diverse time in music and you worrying about mainstream completely misses where we are in music
Dr Dre said and I agree, todays producers are trash and rappers are unoriginal .
So why doesn't he make some new hot shit?
Riiiigghhhtttt 😂
@@dugnice the problem is that the audiences changed too so at some point you cant make 'new hot shit' youre out of touch with the youth.
@@dco1019
So what makes them think they can tell the youth how to make better music *for the youth?*
@@dugnice it's just old heads talking..
A producer is a person that sees a song or album from A to Z. Not necessarily making every beat and playing every instrument. You can produce an album or song without touching one key. The title of producer has gotten lost in the sauce because of technology. Quincy Jones wasn’t making beats on Thriller. He went out and found songs like Human Nature. He brought in the right collection of musicians and took demos Mike had and took them to another level. Dre is absolutely right when it comes to production. Sure he signed “producers” under him but they’re just COMPOSERS at that moment. They’re not responsible for seeing the song from start to finish. And Dre would punch up their beats as well. A producer is involved in the recording process of the song or album as well. I fully understand what dre means by in the beginning he didn’t have anybody else around. What thing I learned from Quincy Jones is he brought in musicians who were producers in their own right. I do the same thing in my productions. The meaning of producer has changed over time because one guy can get on an mpc or FL studio and play all the plugins and drum sounds and program. But that never was the essence of a producer. You’re just a composer in that instance. Now they’re stamping “produced by” on everything and all they did was composed a beat and the rapper rapped whatever they wanted to rap and the beat maker was never in the room. Didn’t have any say so on how the song was created. That is NOT production.
Well said.
Agreed.
Exactly!!
You SIR have 🎯 hit the BULLSEYE 😮😮😮
Y'all should've heard the demo versions of a few songs that made it on the Doggfood album.
Dr. Dre made Daz & Kurupt redo their vocals and change up words. Dr. Dre brought those songs to life when he mixed their album.
Even though Soopafly and Daz produced that album, Dr. Dre over saw the entire album and made sure everything sounded good & mixed right before Deathrow Records put it out to the world
Damn, Ave all in his feelings on this one. Salty. People in the comments getting smoke from him too for having an opinion. SMH
He's right that everyone tries to sound alike. There's more wave riders than wave makers. It's why everyone started producer tags because you can't tell who made just by how it sounds
A bunch of triplet hi hats or atmospheric sounds soon as u play the beat lol 😂😂
Facts! Nowadays these so called producers spend more time on hi hat triplets and snare rolls then the actual beat. It's all garbage to me because they all sound the same and bite each other. I remember when you actually had to be unique and have your own style. The underground is thrivin while the mainstream is dyin.
They speaking facts man. Them sampling and searching for sounds through crates isn’t the same as downloading sample packs that you plug in to FL
I just said the SAME thing. It was different back in those days. People now are soooooo spoiled.
Sampling is sampling whether from sampling records discovered through crate digging or pre made samples . It’s using what other people have created .
Mumbling is trash and he’s right about the mimicking styles
Dre is right. it's alot of copy-catting cut and paste with producers and rapping. he's just trying to say...just be original. do it for the passion...not fame/money.
Dre cant say "be original" while most of his work is samples or interpolations. It's an oxymoron.
@@smoothsavage2870True...but you were NOT SUPPOSED TO KNOW THAT 😅😅😅
@@chiefauralist Right 🤣😂
Okay let’s say your driving in your car and a hot song comes on. Your feeling the song, who gives a fuck how the song was made. Do what you do and do it legal, enjoy yourself and get paid.
That's because the labels aren't taking chances on new sounds until a new sound hits, then the labels all hop on the new sound, milk it dry and the process repeats.
Be original. It used to be where you could tell who produced the song. Now everything sounds the same. They’re speaking facts. Don’t be mad because most TH-cam producers have a sound pack to buy. A course to sell. But where are the songs being placed? But when they sampled it was more creative than what is done now.
Where’s your music?
Where's your beat at lol
Sound packs and ameture courses are a sketchy money grab.
People should be mad about creative art being reduced to "content" because C.R.E.A.M.
Song "placements" are a bugys modern circle jerk that fosters further centralization of value created through music.
Snoop sounds like Slick Rick, Nas sounds like Rakim, Mariah Carey was like Whitney, Bobby Brown was seen as the new Michael Jackson as is Chris Brown,Michael Jackson was seen as a new James Brown, jadkiss and Mase sounded similar add Faboulous in there too, the rumour is Drake sounds like everyone and the list goes on.. So noone is complety orignal ..Everything influences everything.. When new jack swing out the beats all sounded similar thats why posion can be mixed all the songs of that time...Same with 80s disco..People may have had their own personalities but there was a general sound.
@@Rio-uv1gs “Steal like an artist”
When CREAM dropped we didn't care how many rappers were on 1 beat. Likewise, who cares how many producers are on 1 track if the track is hot? Before computers we had entire orchestras, pianists, percussionists, drummers, bass players and etc. all on 1 track. Technology stopped us from coming together making music. There's absolutely nothing wrong with collabs. It gets producers out out their echo chambers, it challenges them because they are around others who are talented, they learn new ideas and etc. There's always been producer collabs. 808 Mafia showed us the benefit of having a team of multiple producers. You can create quantity without compromising on quality. You got to take everything said with a grain of salt when it comes to listening to these well established old heads. Some of them still giving you 90's advice in the 2000's!!!!! Timbaland complained about too many producer on 1 beat but he praised AI tech as a co producer lol!!! I rather have 10 humans on 1 beat than to be alone in a studio with 1 AI partner. The vibes just different.
I understand what they are saying and it's something I've noticed too. Most producers had unique drum compositions.
Listen to the music of the 90s and 2000s all those producers used different drum compositions. Some used 2 different snares blended together. Some used a snare and a certain other percussion element. Some use a snare and a clap. Some use 2 different claps. Some use 2 percussion elements. Some use just 1 snare or 1 clap. Some use 3.
That's why instead of buying other people's drum kits I collect drum samples so I can make my own kits. It's not necessarily out having other people's kits but if you're going to use them, mix them up. Put a Metro Boomin snare on top of a Timbaland snare or something like that instead as opposed to everybody using the same 4 kits exactly they came.
I think that's what they are talking about. With all of the synthesizers, drum machines, and VSTs have been created and released throughout the years there's no way anybody's music should sound the same as anybody else's.
Creativity ✨✨✨ is the KEY to lasting success 😮😮!! Just editing DRUM/LOOP PACKS together all Willy Nilly is not being creative. Taking something and TRANSFORMING it with YOUR OWN SECRET SAUCE 🫙🫙 into something DOPE is DOPE 😮😮😮 I was HERBIE HANCOCK'S CHIEF ENGINEER in the 80s (search Herbie Hancock David Letterman - go to 6:15 and you will see me). I went out on location and recorded trains with a SONY PCM F1 (look it up), brought the sounds back to the STUDIO and Herbie TRANSFORMED the TRAIN SOUNDS into a song entitled METAL BEAT. Years later Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis SAMPLED the beginning of METAL BEAT and created NASTY BOYS! Now that is SUPER CREATIVE 😮😮😮🎉🎉🎉 We need more of those types of creatives; not the. COPY & PASTE PRODUCER!!
If you were a producer like me in the 80s and 90s, you used Ultimate Breaks and Beats Volume 1 through 25 for just about every song you made.😂. No one was thinking about sample clearance…at all until the Biz Markie case.
Snoop is trying to say, back in their time, a producer didn't have sample packs. They had to find a great drum loop or sound to sample. Those loops were basically discoveries to the listening ear. To find a rare loop is what made a song project unique.
So what? Producers in the 50s didn't have MPCs. Things evolve.
Also, established producers have been sharing curated sounds with each other for decades, from one shot drum hits to loops. That evolved into sample packs.
I've got lots of interviews of established producers talking about how they shared sounds with each other, like Eminem saying that Dre used to spoon feed him drum samples.
@@dugnice Facts! And once again they're full of shit because sampling James Brown, Parliament and Sly Stone is NOT a musical discovery, that's like me making a song today and sampling Cole, Drake and Kendrick. But them old niggas definitely used to get the curated samples from niggas like Gene Brown and everybody was using the same patches on the workstation keyboards and the E-mu modules, the same way niggas is all using the same VSTs now. They all used the same dumb ass Impeach the President and Amen Break the same way niggas is all using the same Spinz 808 now
@dugnice sharing sounds is not the issue. It's the sharing of sounds with an infinite number of producers. Causing over saturation. The names you mentioned didn't share with just anyone. They were very selective of whom they shared their unique drums and / or loops. Also, let's remember licensing can be time-consuming and costly, Splice and sample packs have made things easier. I don't think anyone is hating on industry evolution, but it is so much easier now than in the past. I use everything available to me that makes creating so much easier. For context, I was born into the music industry . I've been in it since THE first sampler, the Fairlight CMI 1979, to the introduction of Midi 1984.
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Oversaturation isn't really the problem, the problem is lack of creativity and that's not even really a problem because those producers aren't getting lots of placements, so I don't even know why people are complaining.
It's not even consumers that are complaining because they're getting music either for free or cheap, so they don't really mind if a lot of music sounds the same, they just enjoy the music they like and bypass what they don't.
If consumers weren't consuming it, the artists and producers wouldn't make it. It's that simple.
Bro, you're not talking about hip hop/rap though@@dugnice
Totally true. Beat makers are not producers, they are re-producers. A proper producer is a record producer. A producer, get's the best performance, many creat their own music. It is about time someone tells the truth.
Wrong. Beat Makers can make 100% original compositions and without using electronic instruments.
@@meagainstthewrld606 Define what a 'composition' is? ? A composite of samples? Name one beatmaker that does NOT use electronic instruments?
@@meagainstthewrld606Correct 💯💯 They CAN but most DON'T 😮😮
@@xhy20x I suggest remedial English reading context classes for you ASAP. 🤣😂😆
@@meagainstthewrld606 What cerebral challenges are you experiencing?
There are so many people that will go straight to Dr. Dre as the greatest producer and overlook DJ quik 🤦♂️
There are a lot of producers that could be in that discussion. Johnny J is probably the most slept on producer in Hip Hop/rap history and he produced probably 50+% of Pac's biggest songs from 1994 to 1996, including 11 of the 27 songs on All Eyez On Me, arguably Pac's most popular album.
Not to mention the hits he produced for Candyman (a lot of people aren't even familiar with him).
We could throw N.O. Joe in that discussion,. considering he started producing in 1994 when he was only 18 or 19 years old producing on all but 2 of the songs on Scarface's The Diary album and going on to produce on 2 more Scarface albums as well as for the Geto Boys, including 11 of the 15 songs on Til Death Do Us Part, arguably the most popular Geto Boys album, certainly my favorite and a couple of UGK albums. He almost single handedly provided the sound of deep south Hip Hop for most of the 90s. Basically he was the Dr. Dre of the deep south.
We could even throw Jermaine Dupri's name in that discussion, considering he pretty much single handedly provided the sound of Atlanta Hip Hop for the early to mid 90s. I'd consider him the Dr. Dre of Atlanta, at least in the early to mid 90s.
These modern "artists" are just not the type to sit in a room for a week and figure out the architecture of something magical. I can here there 20second tik tok attention spans come through in the crap they make, utterly and thoroughly disposable
Right. People act like producers are forcing labels and artists to pick similar sounding beats. These artists are choosing the beats they want and many of them aren't trying to fly a producer to them to work in the studio unless we're talking about an established producer and even then a lot of times those producers are just playing beats for the artist to pick from, they aren't always making something new from scratch together.
I disagree with majority of your argument regarding sampling/Dr Dre production (even tho you do got a point about Scott, Daz etc)
The point they were making is that todays music is essentially microwave where everyone is copying the same style trap wise rapping wise the music has become diluted and sound the same where every artist trying to emulate the same diluted sound and style.
Regarding your point about sampling, there's a difference between the type of sampling what Dre ( and other of his era like Preme etc) who digged and found samples to loop or chop up into beats
Today you have same producers using loops from splice and sample packs, looping it, half timing it and putting generic trap drums and calling it a beat.
You cannot compare the two
Blame the labels and artists that are picking the beats. Producers ain't forcing artists to pick the same type of beats, they're CHOOSING to do so.
Dre is the Quincy Jones of Hip Hop and Snoop is an icon ….Nothing said was wrong
You know damn well dr Dre sampling ain’t the same as what’s goin on today 🤦🏽♂️
Big facts! I think people are only hearing what they want to hear and misinterpreting what Dre said.
Dre can afford to hire musicians to interpolate samples or create original music. The kids fresh outta high school or whatever that want to be a producer usually can't and it's not fair to say that only trained musicians should be producers because Ye wasn't a trained musician when he started, he relied on samples, was mentored by several established producers and hires musicians to create original music or interpolate samples.
@@dugnice go sit in the corner somewhere u have no idea what you are talking about
@@King-oj8hr
I know that Dre has hired musicians to create original music or interpolate samples, he's said so himself. Don't try to discredit me because you're a glizzy eating fanatic.
@@dugnice you a whole re tard. You sayin shxt we all know soundin like a mf who lacks any kind of skill and tryin to find any excuse as to why you sound like everyone else! Weird ahh lil boy. Regardless of Dre hiring musicians he still has more talent and skill and originality than the majority! You ain’t pulling up no Dre beat, no Em beat, no Timbo beat, No JDilla, No 9th wonder beat, No DJ Quick beats etc (in which all have used other musicians), that sound like everyone else’s shxt! They all sound different! Not sharing and using the same loop packs and up on splice while watching TH-cam tips and tricks videos of how to sound like the last and the next mf. They all have creativity and originality! Thats like saying “Man Quincy Jones Ain’t shxt CUz He Hired Musicians” tfoh! Every producer that Dre took under his wing have all said they became better because of his Knowledge and skill set!
I agree with Dre and Snoop on this. Shit sounds the same nowadays. I don’t think it’s because of sample packs, I do think it is what mainstream music is allowing through. Also artist are looking for another artist sound. Same with producers. Digging through sample packs and chopping up is the same process as digging through crates and chopping. Problem is nobody is chopping, just looping 4-8 bars.
Exactly 💯💯💯 Without ORIGINALITY, all you have is MEDIOCRITY 😮😮😮
Keyword mainstream
The producers of Motown called hiphop producers , beat machine users trash back then . Plus how snoop and Dre talked about being original , all Dre did was sample his parent’s music . Rock and roll artist have sued each other and have been sued by folk artists because some rock and roll artists took a riff or chorus . Kirt Franklin and others have sampled too .
He means be original. Just Blaze and Alchemist used the same sample but completely different.
Facts all samples with beats on it
Motown was a different genre of music so it does not count this the criticism now is coming from the same genre of music.
Actually brother, Dre doesn't sample, he brings in musicians to replay whatever sound he likes and wants to use. It's called interpolation. I wish people will learned the difference.
Snoop and Dre was telling the truth. Everyone’s music almost sound the same, lack of creativity and realness in the music.
Yet they aren't making hits and aren't even mentoring younger artists and producers in order to make hits.
Dam Fam.... You look bad in this video. They not attacking you AVE!!
he's talking about ppl buying beat/sample packets vs. digging in the crates finding your own samples
ALSO TYPE BEATS.. YOU CANT EVEN TELL PRODUCERS APART
They’re speaking truth. I was just saying this to my son. They’re so scared to be original, we are only connected through groove! It just has to be groovy! But be original. This hater tag is being misused and dumb downed to the point you can’t even have a truthful debate. Hip hop is music appreciation ave! It’s a Dj culture. You’re acting unknowingly.
Even crate diggers sound the same
@@ksager123 you are a damn lie! Rza doesn’t sound like Pete Rock, Primere doesn’t sound like Q tip, large professor doesn’t sound like havoc! Only these beat biters dope style takers sound a like with their tutorials and put your snare here or this is how j dilla samples fraud ass sounds a like.
There have always been producers who didn't have a distinct sound, that was one reason for producer tags, so that listeners knew who made the beat because the sound wasn't distinct. That's actually a sign of great creativity, when a producer can make lots of beats that DON'T sound similar and people can't tell that the producer made them all.
That actually used to be a source of pride for such producers. Of course, there's nothing wrong with having a distinct sound, that way people know who made the beat just based on the style, but it locks that producer in a stylistic box.
Dre is a Producer not just a beat maker. but his beats were just loops, even tracks that I thought were original ,i later found out were sampled.
I agree 100%
Dre don't never need to be talking like he a one man band lol.
He has access to the best players in the world. He’s top tier producer/engineer/arranger.
He's not he's talking about the producer being over the whole project making it a piece instead of having a bunch of random joints like a mixtape
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That's called an executive producer and every album usually has one, sometimes there are two or more, but usually there's only one executive producer that oversees an album.
I really hope you are not American.
Bro you didn't even listen to the whole interview. Dre said in the interview he loves to collaborate he doesn't like to do s*** alone
All I heard was a bunch of FACTS
Riiiigghhhtttt 😂
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Everyone sounds the same now, spin it how you want, defend who you want...its all microwaved meals...moving on
Then listen to old music or make the new original music you want. Problem solved. Right?
I think it's funny how old producers talk shit about newer producers but aren't making new hits themselves. Why is that? 🤔
Being a BEATMAKER and a PRODUCER are TWO DIFFERENT THINGS!
Not really. That's just something some established producers say to discredit lower level producers that are competition.
There's no such thing as beat maker credits. If you make a beat and an artist uses it, you get producer credit and as a producer, why tf would you argue against that? 🤦🏻♂️
@@dugnicefinally somebody said it.
@@dugnice You kept it real and I agree with you 100%
I been producing for over 35 years and got some credits from artist! I do agree with what they saying!!!!!! I did a song for Kobe Bryant back in 2000 but because of what I was doing, he flew me all the way from RVA to record at Village Studios in Santa Monica because of my sound! You couldn’t just do the same shit back thing that sounded like somebody else, be different!
I like your MPC videos, but I don't understand where all this hating is coming from lately.
Timestamp : 3:45 - He did not even say that. Sounds like you're just hating.
8:45 - But that's the point that they are making. They had to be unique and still receive the hate. Now look where they are.
Go to show you what I said at the end of the video went right over your head
@@AveMcree What went over your head is what Dre and Snoop were saying. 90 percent of what you said had nothing to do with what they said. For example, what does some people, mainly a minority from the East Coast not liking Dre and Snoops muisic or West Coast music got to with anything? He wasn't saying music isn't subjective and what people like will vary. What he's saying is talent and quality wise there is overwhelming amount of music that the majority would consider trash based on what certain criteria society has deemed the standard for greatness. I don't want to even get into co producers and Dre being the producer and final decision maker 100 percent of the time on all projects. He wasn't implying that he didn't have a camp and contributors when he said " one producer" for a album. He was talking about a sound and direction that is cohesive. He programed drums and didn't use loops for that part of production for the most part . Him using live musicians along with samples ( SOMETIMES) is factual. His vocal producing abilities. His mixing ability. His ear. His ability to know what a great artist is. Then Snoop is right. I would say 85 percent of hip hop sounds the same and the production is average at best 60 percent of the time. 70 percent of rappers today wouldnt have even seen the light of day in the 80's 90's and early 2000's. Beat makers aren't music producer. They hand off music to people who make and complete records. Look at the list of people who Dre signed and worked with and was instrumental in them becoming successful. It would be wise for you to listen and learn. ✌🏾️
@@kscott360 that's good analysis... people often listen to argue vs. listening to understand.
but to what you said... i enjoy the "album" experience, every once in a while. the sound that is crafted by one producer (quincy jones, dj quik, etc.) vs. many producers (illmatic, all eyez on me, etc)... is a much different experience, and i prefer it when i'm listening to entire albums, but i don't know if music is consumed like that anymore... do people still put on a record and let it ride for 60 minutes?
Dre and snoop is right. This is the problem with hip hop right now. No originality. In the golden era, no one sounded the same. You really had different vibes and legit choices. It's no experimenting being done.
Actually if you go beyond Hip Hop modern music period or for the most part is no longer original. You can have the same discussion about Rock, Country, and definitely Pop, the reason being is they're all using the same technology. When it comes to movies it's even worse with all the box office flops. The new Joker movie along with many others all were a half a billion dollar flops. The only reason music artist or albums are not flopping as movies are, is because the youth are more passive listeners than in times past because people are no longer paying for music which is starting to change with what I've been recently seeing on youthful podcast discussing these type of issues.
@@lyndellwilliams5890
Great points.
@dugnice A couple of the podcast you can check out are (Pop Culture Crisis) (Jesterbell video (Is Hollywood Dying) Ava Catherine video (Modern Music is Boring) The Full Stack Creative video (The music industry is going to zero). Get back with me for your thoughts.👍
Dre doesn't give producer Dem Joints enough airtime and mention. He is responsible for a lot of work that has been credited to Dre alone.
He did mention a single music producer who made something on doggystyle or 2001😂
dem joints isn't the only producer to drum program for dre. he rarely mentions focus or dj khalil, b!nk, king karnov, mahogany, hi-tek or nottz either.
Why does he HAVE to mention them? The Music industry knows them. People NOT in the industry dont give a damn who produced or help produced something.
@@mwebster3265 if somebody works for you, they should be paid, compensated & given credit for their work, so that they can get more work when other artists see their credit on albums. i'm not quite sure what people have against beatmakers getting paid or getting their credit for drum programming. aside from mixing/mastering, it is the most complicated & part of the music-making process & the people who do it should be appreciated, credited & compensated.
@mwebster3265 if somebody works for you, they should be paid, compensated & given credit for their work, so that they can get more work when other artists see their credit on albums. i'm not quite sure what people have against beatmakers getting paid or getting their credit for drum programming. aside from mixing/mastering, it is the most complicated & part of the music-making process & the people who do it should be appreciated, credited & compensated.
These two are just some examples of what happens when you “make it”your perception is tainted by your success and often forget what you were before all the fame and fortune and become hypocrites . But it’s true that most producers sound the same these days with the trap era .
Trap isnt the only modern sound, so it's false.
Also about snoop's comment on drum loops, Eminem's "my name is" was created by Dre playing a drum loop to em and em made the hook up on the spot
@@smoothsavage2870 The confusion is people think anything with an 808 or a specific hi hat pattern is a trap beat, that’s false. I guess Boyz N the Hood is a trap beat too.
What Dre is getting at, producers usually provide direction and have a ear for what does and doesn't sound good or great.
Michael Jackson Off the Wall, Thriller, and Bad all only produced by Quincy Jones.
Sampling, can be considered to a limited extent, as bringing in different musicians to play to initial your melody or key.
I've had songs and beats stolen ...4 were major hits.
Yes I'm still pissed at that shit
It's a dirty business always make sure you copyright your art
I think we had more variety of styles back then. Outcast, snoop, busta, q tip, Nate Dogg, Eminem, Dre, biggie, Tupac, das efx, etc...
@AveMcree took this to another level without understanding what they were truly saying.
Snoop talking is talking about Producers not having to put in the work to find loops and chopping their own drums. Cats buy sample packs and don't go digging in the crates. The sample pack companies were scarce when I started making beats. Having to dig for your own sounds used to be a vetting process....now look at how horribly saturated the game is.
Who cares? That's like saying a piano player doesn't have to tune the piano, it's already tuned for him/her so that diminishes that person's piano playing skills.
Also, producers have been giving each other what we now call sample packs for years. Established producers have been sharing curated sounds for decades. Now it's big business.
Facts! 🫡💯
Unison is making a killing with their Midi and Drum Loop packs. It's all prepared, ready to instant plug and play. I got it lasting another 2 years before disappearing.
It's not a fair assessment because the game is totally different now. Tik tok didn't exist during Dre's time neither did Spotify and etc. 360 deals didn't exist then. Social media has complete changed the nature of the game and old heads are not accounting for this when they speak. Back in the day we had "type beat" producers too because underground artist wanted that Timbaland sound or that Swizz Beatz sound but couldn't afford a 6 figure beat from Dre or Tim. I can't compare players in the NFL today to players in the old days. The league was way different. The rules were different, the equipment was less safe, the pay was lower and etc. If you don't account for these type of changes in your comparisons then you are already wrong before you start!
I agree with Dre
He samples all most of his stuff so there's more than 9 producers on his joints,and has worked with a lot of producers on his tracks nothing wrong with having multiple producers on a album everyone back in the day was a producer we just call them musicians now most produced/came up with their own music on the tracks they worked on from the ojays,earth wind and fire,rolling stones etc etc...
I do too bruhh 🎉
What Snoop & Dre is saying is that back in the day sampling + beats that producers created had their own story to tell. When a producers beat dropped back in the 90's earlier 00's you knew who it was bcuz the sounds were too creative... the beats now errbdy rapping @ a tempo of 120-160 which is trash! 💯
Tempo 31 one of my signatures
Bro, I appreciate your honesty and objectivity on this subject! I remember when all HipHop first sounded like Kraftwerk, as Dre and WCWC were contributors to the style of that era; yet these very same arguments presented by these OGs were used against Dre when he started sampling P-Funk. Styles of music evolve due to inspiration, competition, and creativity. I believe we older folks in music need to challenge the youth to reach far beyond what they’ve grasped while listening intently to their creations, providing constructive criticism in judging the quality of their production without being “grumpy old men” who forget so quickly being judged the same way.
How are you gonna challenge them when what they are doing is currently working for them? .. REAL WELL too. 🤷🏿♂️
@@mwebster3265 there are at least two ways as a creative that I can do that: first, I would take their concepts and reinterpret them in my own flavor; second, I would offer mentorship to aspiring young producers. Neither of these approaches will make a global difference but a few will be inspired to not settle for just anything but musical excellence.
But will/do they LISTEN 👂👂? Most are in the MIND of "IF IT AIN'T BROKE, DON'T FIX IT" so you won't naturally see a PIVOT, until SOMEONE ELSE PIVIOTS and goes VIRAL. Then, SHEEPLE they become 😮😮
I've never rated Dr Dre, the talent left NWA when Cube left. As for 9 producers on one album, albums no longer exist in hip hop because nobody listens to whole albums. It's now just a collection of tracks, you can blame Nas. And as for original, 90s hip hop wasn't that original either. Popular tracks were repeatedly ripped off and the same drum breaks were recycled.
Fam you may have to revisit the definition of what a definition is. Even though Dr. Dre worked with Warren G, Daz and etc on album, he is the sole producer of the project. They worked underneath him. 9-10 he told them what they was looking for and he was hands on production.
In addition to that, we all know producers will have people play live instruments. Just bc they know how to play an instrument, does make them a producer.
No, that's called executive producing. That's why there's an executive producer credit and a regular producer credit.
If someone made a beat, that person produced that beat, doesn't mean that person is the executive producer of the album.
Snoop musta forgot that he is a carbon copy of 3-2 from Houston... A lot of y'all may not know what I'm saying but if you know you know lmao...Snoop is the product of rap a lot and j prince!
Dr Dre worked with multiple producers hell he even took their work and put his name on it. Daz don’t really get his props on making beats for the chronic album and snoop first album Daz did most of them beats and later on in Dre career he was using mailman and Scott scorch and that other guy was making the beats
At least they was recorded at the studio same engineers and masters to create a glued steady sound. Thats different. These rappers are getting 20 different $20 TH-cam beats from 20 different people and 20 different places, plus the internet and slapping on a project and if you are lucky they might ai mix it or online master but a lot of times they don’t even do that.
Daz didn’t produce on the Chronic. It was Doggystyle he did the heavy lifting on. DJ Yella helped Dre with a lot of the NWA recordings
Ave I completely agree with you on this. By track 5 on Dre’s album, Compton, there’s 9 different producers that have been credited. That is a greatly produced album to me and I appreciate all of the contributors on it, but Dre is coming off very contradictory in these statements. That said, I do agree that I want more musicianship to come back to the mainstream.
avee mcree i disagree with you
I agree with you 100%. You addressed everything I was thinking. Keep grinding my brotha -
It doesn’t take a genius to understand what Dr Dre and Snoop was saying. It isn’t disrespectful😂 Its just their opinion. Music today isn’t made with the same care as the past. Beats are in FACT Copy and paste. The business doesn’t even make sense. Its not hard to see the drop in quality. the fact that this take rubs people so wrong shows how young this generation is thinking.
My thing is, if that's the case, instead of complaining, make the better quality music you think is missing.
Dre's last album, Compton was released in 2015 and it's only certified gold. Snoop's last album was in 2022 and it isn't certified at all.
That's not meant to be a diss to them, my point is that music sales have been in decline for years. Hardly anyone is selling records like in the 90s or early 2000s and that's due to piracy and streaming.
Glad to see most agree...a lot of music today is disposable with no soul behind it. Hopefully it's just a temporary thing but, making excuses for and accepting the awfulness of today's music wont help a bit.
Notice that everyone that works “under” Dre . All of them sound different , they all learned something & made their own sound
Instead of 9 dudes today sounding the same because they just copy each others sauce
Ave I love bruh but you need to chill!!! He is right you took it to literal !!! And honestly you sound a lil salty!!! All he said was be original and dr Dre has definitely had original sonics !!! Sampling an original song and making it sound new refreshing!!!
Sampling is not original. You're literally taking someone else's recorded idea.
@@smoothsavage2870 …and you don’t understand hip hop. Most samples you don’t even know where they came from when it’s done well. In most cases those samples are turned into totally different songs. We take pieces and build something brand new.
@@digitaldiezel5870 I understand hip hop and that it was built on sampling. Still doesnt change the fact that you're stealing music because you arent creative enough to make your own. It's really easy to complete a building when the foundation is already built for you.
The reason there are so many producers and artists that sound the same is largely due to the removal of the barriers and gatekeepers that used to keep mediocre musicians out of the spotlight. In a time where production equipment was expensive and difficult to learn how to use, and when there was no social media or google or youtube - you had to be truly exceptional to break through. Now anyone can buy a daw, stack a few ready made loops on top of each other and call themselves producers. And the widespread use of sample packs is another reason they all sound the same.
True
Even beat makers would have signature sounds.
TRUE 🎉🎉 Without ORIGINALITY, you have MEDIOCRITY 😮😮😮
Thanks splice.
Mediocre producers aren't getting lots of placements, so that's not the problem.
The problem is piracy and streaming, which reduced the amount of money going into the industry so now labels aren't gambling on new sounds like they used to. They wait until a new sound hits independently, then they hop on that new sound, milk it dry and the cycle repeats.
People act like producers are forcing labels and artists to pick the same type of beats.
I think you’re missing the point of what Snoop is saying.
For example if you gave Erick Sermon, Dre, Premier, The Bomb Squad & Marley Marl the same sample guaranteed neither of them would make it sound the same. Each producer would PRODUCE to the artists they were working with or use different pieces of the sample. Not to mention they would change the drums or add other elements. They were creative in how they approached the collage.
Nowadays, a lot of beat makers will just use the famous part of a sample (Hit Men under Diddy) and use the same tools and grooves as someone else. The reason why the golden age producers each have a distinctive sound is because they found their own and didn’t copy. Even with beats, copying someone’s style was a no no.
Blame the labels and artists that are picking the beats. Producers aren't forcing labels or artists to pick similar sounding beats.
I agree with them. Alot of the artists today sound the same. If you want to make it today you're required to sound like what's on the radio. There isn't any variety in hip hop. When Dre says they aren't producers he's talking about song from start to finish. Now maybe these beat makers today don't bring a different aspect to the art. He said cohesively. This is true. If you look at Doggystyle, it has a sound altogether. This is because Dre put together all those different producers who made records that sound cohesive. So when you see his name on those records, its because HE took pieces of what that group of producers were doing and rearranged and changed it into something different. From Eminem to Snoop on down these guys albums all are theme based. Autotune made everyone think they could sing. With the exception of T Pain, the sound is saturated and done wrong. Music is subjective and modern music is trash. Let's not lie to ourselves.
wtf!!! Are you talking bout. Yeah snoop was hated on because he was original and coming with something new and different. So you like listening to rappers sounding the same. I just lost mad respect for you. Yeah Dre sampled but he had a unique sound. Sounding like someone and being inspired are 2 different things wtf.
I think Snoop was not pointing at using samples. I think he was more pointing out that many tracks from a certain genre just sound so much alike that it is kinda sad. I was never a big fan of Snoop, not even of particular of Dre, but damn, they are very recognizable. Play me one of those auto tune tracks from hell and i have no clue who the artist is. Cause they all sound the same.
Snoop dog been hating on people outside the west coast for about a half a century
@@AveMcree This could be. I don’t know. Still even then, he has a point i believe. I think Dre shows litteral respect and has hope for future generations.
But that's the thing, categorization of a genre comes from it's similarity. How were we able to categorize G-Funk and Boom Bap? Because a lot of it sounded alike. Today's music has the same regional differences as the 90s did. NY Drill does not sound like Trap. Trap does not sound like the Cali club sound. That's how you know a certain region made the music. It does not sound the same unless you're only listening to one region and the same could be said about 90s hip hop.
@@smoothsavage2870 I figured someone would bring uo this argument. I ask myself the question; What is a genre? 😜. Let’s agree that a genre can be distinghuised by a set of rules. Like bpm etc. Is there also a rule everybody should sound alike? I beg to differ. Just look at the pallette of old skool rap. Now that’s a canon. Mumble rap and the like just don’t have that same impact. And that’s because it is not original.
@@MapleSonics I grew up in the 90s and i currently listen to modern Hip Hop. Just like the 90s, modern Hip Hop has regional differences. If you dont listen to it enough to know those differences, just say that.
I aint heard one Pop Smoke song that sounds like Future or 21 Savage and vice versa. On the flipside i aint heard one YG song that sounds like the the aforementioned artists. Just so you know Not Like Us by Kendrick Lamar is the modern Cali sound.
I would not necessarily say that modern rap producers are straight up trash, but I would certainly say that they are not nearly as good as the rap producers of the 90s and even the late 80s. The rap producers from late 80s and 90s era produced a lot rap songs that ended up becoming Hip Hop Classics to the very day (mainstream and underground). TIMELESS. In this modern new millennium era, I don't hear nearly as many rap songs that are classics. They sound more like microwave music or fast-food type music. But I am not going to put all the blame on the modern rap producers, because these modern rappers in the mainstream are extremely lacking in the lyrics department. Most of these modern rappers cannot write a cohesive rap song to save their life. As a matter of fact, most of these modern mainstream rappers barely write their lyrics down at all because they are trying to do what they heard LIL WAYNE and JAY Z do in the studio. But most of these modern mainstream rappers lack the basic rhyming and lyrical skills to pull off what JAY Z does. That's why lyricism, originality, and substance is extremely lacking and way below average in modern mainstream rap songs. So I would definitely say for certain that most of these modern mainstream millennial rappers suck nowadays. The only modern mainstream millennial rappers who I respect lyrically, creatively, and substance wise are J COLE and KENDRICK LAMAR. The rest of these mainstream millennial rappers spit a bunch of mumbling trap and drill garbage lyrics.
To add each generation Hates on the following generation. But subsequently Each generation stands on the shoulders of the previous and becomes GREATER.
They are 100% correct. Today they have made it easy to put together beats so that everyone who got zero talent, just like the rapping.. No talent required
So where are their new hits?
Ave thank you for not being one of the OGs that hate on the new generation just because they arent doing what the old generation was doing. I dont get how people from that era got crapped on for their music and then turn around and do the same to the next generation. I've researched music in the past and found that this is very commonplace when older music gets phased out, no matter the genre.
I never understood this whole big argument about the difference of Music back in the day and Music now. Sure, everything nowadays sounds the same. Sure, we have something that the prior generations doesn’t have (The Internet). And sure, the stories and the themes in the lyrics of a song were better and made sense back then. And whatever else you wanna add. But at the end of the day. It’s just music. It’s suppose to be fun, therapeutic, and enjoyable. This conversation is doing nothing but causing conflict between the Old School and the New School!!
Sample packs and kits is the same thing as having a stable of top notch musicians in the studio and you say “just do your thing” and you don’t give them credit. I know he did it cause that’s how it was back then.
This 1,,, I have to STRONGLY DISAGREE with my Brotha Ave Mcree on. If there was any 2 ppl that can speak on the current state of HipHop,,, It would be Dre & Snoop. The 1 Dj & 1 Emcee concept was highly Exalted by them 2. Yes I do agree that Daz, Dj Quik and Battle Cat was behind the scenes, but the bulk of that came later and thats not to mention the NWA Albums Dre Produced. That Formula still works til this day. Alchemist, Madlib, JakeOne have proven that. And 🤷🏾♂️ lets be honest, Mainstream Music does sound the same and lacks Creativity. Call a Spade a Spade homie‼️
@@OnlyDaFunk4444 Ave is trippin again…once a year he needs to get his drama traffic.
1st let me start by staying I fk’s with your channel heavy. You provide a wealth of knowledge that has gotten me up to speed in this era of music production. Close to 30 years ago my fam and I put out our 1st album using only a S950, Proteus & Planet Phatt sound modules, and an Atari sequencer. Music industry left a bad taste in my mouth (pause) and I stopped doing beats. I recently, got back into creating beats to teach my daughter and because it soothes the soul to bang on the pads and keys again… but in order for that to happen I went and bought a MPC Live II, pulled out my old K2000 and started working on music again…Your videos/tutorials for the newer MPC’s helped me get up to speed with my Live II and now I’m back in love with creating music.
In regards to the video, you’re right Dre worked with a bunch of different producers, but during that time they were only considered beat makers. Dre groomed them into being music producers. Daz, Warren, and Mel-Man were beat makers that hadn’t produced a full album on their own. Scott Storch just played dope keys over drum programs created by Mel-Man and Dre. With that being said Dre over saw all of their production as beat makers to bring it to life. In my opinion, during that time period, the only “producer” Dre worked with on his album was Quik. I consider Quik a “Producer” because Quik already had multiple successful albums that he produced on his own prior to working with Dre. Diamond D worked on the Chronic 2001 and would say he was a producer too. This is why Dre gets a bunch of well deserved credit because he’s a producer that has turned A LOT of beat makers into producers.
I think what Snoop is saying about the new generation of beat makers and producers is that it’s waaaaaay easier and convenient to find loops. You don’t need to “dig in the crates” these days…technology has made that part of hiphop somewhat obsolete for newer producers. Old heads like myself still like vinyl and the fun of spending hours finding that sample on old records that no one has used. Most new beat maker/producers prefer to cut out the timely crate digging for samples, the perfect snare, kick, hi hat, etc…it’s inconvenient and sample packs are readily available online and the amount of time it takes to dig in crates the modern day beat maker can bang out 8 beats in that same amount of time. I see the value in both old and new beat making methods.
I appreciate your content and keep doing what you do bro.
Dre need to stop ....
No both of them are telling the truth. Even the youth which I've been recently watching on TH-cam are starting to discuss these issues. Movies are even worse with all of the box office flops. There's nothing wrong with using technology, it's the heavy reliance on technology that's the problem. The heavy reliance of C.G.I. and computerized beats is becoming redundant to the point where half a billion dollar movies like the new Joker movie is a box office desaster.
He not saying sampling is wack he saying that everybody sound alike
Snoop Dog: Be Original
Meanwhile Dre Gotta Alotta Beats from Other Composers & Session Musicians 👀,
Hating Ass Hater Dr Dre literally Contradicts himself.
You are speaking the truth my brother.
You sound like you hating because you feel like he talking down on Your generation or your style of beat making,and really the new artist can't comment on it his track record speaks for itself😮
6:58 what Snoop is sayin is there was no sample pack back in the day where there were plug & play loops where you could quite literally make hundreds of beats by just dragging and dropping drum loops over melody loops without having to do anything else.
I agree totally with them both I've been doing this for over 40years and I agree there is a difference between a producer and a beatmaker I did both for years. I didn't think I was the best at what I do but working with the artist hands on its the producers job to take the artist vision way beyond what he or she intended. Everyone is definitely entitled to there opinion but the producer has that ear for sound.I have nothing against these new artist at all I've watched hiphop change through the years and yes I went through this when I started in the late 70s.
Not really. That's just something some established producers say to discredit lower level producers that are competition.
There's no such thing as beat maker credits. If you make a beat and an artist uses it, you get producer credit and as a producer, why tf would you argue against that? 🤦🏻♂️
The level hypocrisy is shocking. These labels and politics force all the producers to work together nowadays.
We all can single handedly thank Fruity Loops for this. They all are using the same loop packs, have ZERO musical ability, don't even use a keyboard to make music, they're drawing in notes with a mouse and the music directly reflects that. You don't have to be a Bryan Michael Cox on the keys or Questlove on drums, but have SOME musical ability. These new folks don't know how to do anything. From loop packs, midi packs, the likes of Splice, they literally are just dragging and dropping pre-made sounds and throwing extremely basic drums on top, it's a losing situation. It definitely is not all Fruity users, but 85% of them are drag and drop beatmakers. Feel how you want but the proof is in the pudding. Today's rap music directly reflects that.
There have been plenty of producers that used the same samples from the same records. Navie D just recently posted a video asking who flipped the same sample the best between the Just Blaze produced "Song Cry" for Jay-Z and the Alchemist produced "Hold you down" from his 1st Infantry album, featuring Prodigy.
Both songs used the same sample source but the two producers used the samples differently.
@@dugnice Just Blaze didn't make 'Song Cry', Kanye did. But i saw the same video you're referencing and both those beats sounded completely different. You pointed out the exact opposite of what i said. I said these producers are using sample packs and sound the same, not different. CREATIVELY sampling and turning it into another piece of music altogether is completely different from copying and pasting. So sampling itself isn't bad because as we all know, Hip-Hop started from sample based beats. But it's the low talent level usage of sample and midi packs, note clicking with a mouse and overall lack of musical ability that is crippling the hip-hop beat community. These new producers simply have NO skill and copy and paste to make a beat. And it all started with 12 and 13 yr olds downloading a cracked copy of FL and having ZERO musical ability or creativity.
@@cavrenodem2436
Pardon me, I got the songs mixed up, Just Blaze's was "Soon you'll understand". I'm in my 40s and my memory isn't as good as it used to be.
My point is that producers using the same sample sources isn't a new phenomenon, but I agree with you that some people aren't creative in how they use the same sample sources, but it's a non issue because these people aren't getting lots of placements anyway, so what are people complaining about, that they get unearned views on TH-cam or something? 🤷🏻♂️
Also the producers being complained about aren't forcing A&Rs and artists to pick any beats, they're picking the beats they want. Why are people blaming the producers for the decisions of the A&Rs and artists?
@@dugnice No, Dre and Snoop were both talking about beats that ARE getting placed and how they all sound the same. As well as some up and coming producers that they come across and it just sounds like 1 long run-on beat. Again, it's not the sampling the same source, no one is debating that point, so you can put that argument to bed. It's the OVER usage of the same sample packs, drum packs, etc. and not even making an attempt to stand out or be creative with the way they use it. So to sum this up, modern producers suck and Fruity Loops is to blame…
Dre and Snoop seem to be conflating production creativity and original sample creation. They make a lot of valid respectable points but fail to point out that they too are using other peoples music and not creating a completely original piece. They too are using loops except they had to put more effort into chopping and editing due to lack of technology and because there wasn't companies like Splice. I'm also certain they also hired session musicians to create, write melodies with work for hire contracts in which Dre would pay them good money to buy ownership of whatever original music was authored by the musician instead of licensing.
U missing the points bro! You are to biased to make an informative opinion
Fresh motivation to my ears! Lets get this work
Modern Producers are beyond garbage. They all use 808s drums. Nobody stands out or is unique. Every song I hear has the 808s and drum pattern.
Every album I hear from down south, all songs have 808 drum kits. Its boring, and I skip to the next song after 15 seconds of hearing it
South has a sound, the west has a sound and the east has a sound people are going to listen to who they like.
Saying 808 is boring is crazy work
the problem is people using the same exact drum sounds. i always had this problem from producers since back in 2012. think its way too saturated now that we have too many upcoming beatmakers using them generic sounds
@@lee_drifting that plus the developer are making software gotta be held accountable also
They all just tools remember it don’t bother me too much but if you good it will stand out plus the rap flows are generic like those old heads nurse rhyme
I'm 46 and I remember my mom and grandma saying your music has the same beat. Lol. But it seemed rare remixing certain vocals over certain beats in the 90s. Now it seems you like you can take modern verses and slap it over any trap beat
First off I highly respect Dr. Dre but he is being a true hypocrite here.
@9:30 he speaks about "true musicians" and he does not know how to play. I remember back in the day in the early 2000s he spoke about wanting to learn to play the piano and "never" took the time out to while having all the resources to. And please don't bring up any of those clips where he is fiddling around off tempo playing simple things. I've been playing the piano for 2 decades and don't knock him. He is one of the greatest and deserves respect but so does the new school.
Shout outs to Hi-Tek, Mel-Man, Focus..., Chris "The Glove" Taylor
WHO DIDN'T LIKE SNOOP??
WTF??
Listen. Everyone tryin' to sound like J DILLA or MF DOOM or Kanye... But MOSTLY Dilla.
Smh.
Dre MADE interpolations
Big Bass played alot of interpolations for Dre.
Check the credits.
Av tripping for clicks...
Foh. Lol.
I agree with him. All the beats today feel the same . Same FL hihats and 808 vibes. In regards to Dre’s comment about producing an album, granted he had others around him , Scott, focus but Dre PRODUCED those albums similar to what Quincy Jones did back in the day . Yea I agree with him.
Ave get out your feelings my boy.
the "9 producers per album" era started when labels started pushing for more singles. I think the sentiment here is that albums now just feel like a bunch of singles for short attention spans where albums used to be really interesting, carry a theme, tell a story or have some kind of consistent vibe.
Even 2pac said Dre sits around doing nothing.. what has Dre produced since donkey years ago.
He really did
Do your research before you say something else stupid….
@@jackbauer1805 Dre aint getting busy like everybody else. Taking part in engineering etc aint the topic here. What new styles has Dre brought to the game. The same sound he had with pac was the same with snoop. Eminem made him create crazy melodies and thats it. With 50, its still kinda signature Dre. Im not impressed and F Dre. His beats never stood out to me. PAC said he could see the evolution of production, crazy new sounds and was all for it. These dudes are gate keepers, trying to monopolise music. DRE wants that coz all the royalties go to 1 producer. You are the s2pid one.
@@sosinati3358 another young idiot... Foh and enjoy this bullshit put out today.. SMH
BTW, check out Marsha Ambrosius latest album for some of Dre's recent work. Not that simple trap bullshit... 🤡
Dre just produced Marsha's album, CASABLANCO, start to finish. He is preparing to do the same with Mary J. They have a few tracks done already. He just finished producing and mixing Snoop's entire album. Dre produces and oversees a lot of work by other artists for free and doesn't take credit or sign any contracts.
Yes you are right about the sample part but it was the feeling of the way they did the drums that fits the rapper sound like yourself is what they really saying
Lol 😂I love it 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 fuq al the others
@ave your take on this conversation 100% embodies why your viewed in this community like you are! You never stand on anything! one minute your riding with the older producer community then the next your pandering to the new producers and trying to be accepted and relevant in there algorithms!🤦🏽♂️ what you fail to realize is that Dre and snoop can whole heartedly make those 100% accurate statements because they don’t need the acceptance of the younger community because they are solidified!!! But you on the other hand is someone who really needs the acceptance of the younger community for clicks and views! and Your stance on topics are always biased and disingenuous! and Just because you have an allegiance to akai (shil) to promote and push there next piece of shiny toy junk on the new producers for sales!… your position will compromised from the start so spare us with your viewpoint on core issues within the producer community because no one who is a serious and mature participant such as myself values it at all!… now this is just my take on this subject! I WILL NOT! be engaging in any frivolous immature back and forth’s about my opinion! You posted a video and I’m commenting nothing more nothing less!
I see you speak for all these trap producers drill producers etc I totally agree with dr Dre my guy it sounds like you trying to promote all of these people that really don't care about music that that just want a pay check
Everybody wants money for their work. You seem to forget that Hip Hop became a money grab in it's the golden era... the 90s. That's when everything went full on mainstream.
@smoothsavage2870 I guess I gotta dumb it down for you more. Trap and/or drill is the money grab? Let's be honest. All that shit sound the same so Dre is in fact, right? There's no creativity, no soul. And if you agree with
Av You're part of the problem Talent will eventually triumph over People that don't care about the craft
@@ArthurRockett Trap and Drill (Chicago or NY) sounds nothing alike. It's crazy to me how some of yall have the nerve to turn your noses up at modern production when the only thing your fave producers do/did is steal what was already created. How creative are you really when all the work is already done for you? It's real easy to have soul when you're stealing it like Shang Tsung.
@smoothsavage2870 like I said we choose home cooked meal over microwave I'm done
@@ArthurRockett Yall were just going to your neighbors houses and stealing dinner off their table and their finely aged wines 🤣. Modern producers are trying to make new meals on their own. Some know how to season well and do new things with the ingredients and others are just good at copying the formula, but at least it's THEIRS. But ok, you have a good one.
They all recorded where Dr Dre was either staying or had his place of business. That makes him the producer. Migos flow and ATL sound made everyone complacent.
Dre took too long make and album it force the game. Too change. It's nothing wrong with using fl studio or other software and nothing wrong with hardware back in days. Alotta the hip hop songs in early 90s were samples songs
I quit Dr Dre Ty
I tried really hard to produce like you with no lessons or tutorials so we just suck to you
Mind blown
I'm 46 fam, been beat making and producing since my late teens. I use to make all my beats from scratch , drum machines and instruments. now a days I've gotten heavy into sample chopping and I will say that there is just as much skill and technique that goes into sampling and flipping samples. Kinda sad it seems dre is so disconnected from the game or has misconceptions about the music genre he's from