Secluded beach RUINED by GREED
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- Is it worth visiting Porthluney and Caerhays? If you are considering visiting either of these locations, all you need to know is in this video!
Our video will feature 3 quiet, isolated coves on the Roseland Peninsula, Cornwall: Porthluney, East Portholland.and West Portholland. They are roughly a mile apart on the south coast of Cornwall. All 3 are part of the Caerhays Estate and our story follows the attempts by the mighty landowner to install ANPR parking equipment.
With ANPR technology springing up all over Cornwall, are beauty spots being ruined? Are holidays being ruined? And just how far will landowners plunder their land for parking fees? You won't believe where they tried to put it - bonkers!
But there is a twist because this particular landowner was stopped in his tracks by the local community, but for how long?
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Well done highlighting these crooks and the DVLA for aiding and abetting them - shame on them . Don’t let them get your money !
Once you put a motor vehicle on the public highway you cease to own it. Instead you become nothing more than its registered keeper. It's owned by the highway and can be removed and destroyed. If you don't want the DVLA to have access to your details then don't register yourself as the keeper.
But don't take it on the highway.
These crooks are English aristocrats and therefore your elders and betters in English law. Like it or not. The UK is the only country on earth with a House of Lords. There was a case I read about in Oxfordshire where freehold homeowners in a new development got a demand for a couple of hundred £££ from the local marquis of somebody or other. Note, these people were FREEholders legally.
The development was on land sold to the builders by said marquis. Of course the homeowners consulted solicitors and yes, it was a perfectly legal demand under some obscure mediebal tort or bylaw. They had to cough up.
M'lord treats the local serfs according to their station.
Short of a bob or two ? Squeeze the peasants.
It should be illegal for a government department to give out private information that the individual has not given permission to be shared with private 3rd parties , the individuals information is required by law and is demanded as a requirement to obtaining a driving licence you have no choice but to subscribe to the system, this underhand abuse must be stopped it reeks of sordidness.
You and I are the power
Govt work for US...
They even notified us.
March 19th 2020 by DOWNGRADING COVID 19.
The parties involved ,ie the landowner has to buy a license to obtain information from DVLA it was about 15000 a few years ago this shows how corrupt government departments are and hopefully this man didn’t recoup his money
💯 And they CHOOSE to give out our info to these scammers for a nominal fee. It's national disgrace
It's way more than a driving licence! What type of licence and penalties,Insurance,MOT ect, If you don't like it "don't drive" don't park willy nilly,use your legs and avoid "car parks" altogether, I live near a rail station and a beach and both carparks are empty most of the time
Maybe the information only available for public bodies like councils but most definitely NOT for private organisations like car parking firms. That is completely out of order!
If you have a two week holiday in Cornwall and travel around, you can end up paying a fortune in car parking, some days you may pay twice - a few hours exploring one place then another couple of hours somewhere else for your evening meal. The local economy in these places must suffer when people just drive straight through. Last year we went away with our son who has a young family, to Cornwall, at the end of it he commented that as much as he had enjoyed it, it was very expensive, fuel, parking, food and accommodation. He claimed it would be cheaper for them to go all-inclusive abroad for two weeks. Cornwall should be concerned about this and think twice. Love your videos btw.
Last time I had a weeks holiday in Cornwall was 1985, I thought it was expensive then.
Same in dorset! It's cheaper to go abroad and it's better weather the UK is not a good deal for holidays
@@Mr1967flyingv The charge in Sennen 1n 1985 was 35p all day.
Oh wow! I remember that sort of figure in our local town! 5 or 6 x 5p pieces. It was my job to get the ticket! Sarah :)
I heard from a local that they made the lady who used to collect small car parking fees at Caerhays homeless before erecting ANPR. When I visited a couple of years ago none of the machines were working so we just took a photo of the "out of order" displays, parked and enjoyed our walk. 0% phone signal on EE so we parked for free. The Big Brother feeling left a really bad taste in my mouth. This land is my land, as the song goes. I supose you could always put a strip of tape over your number plate before entering the car park 🙂
Not sure that would work, because they actually take stills of your whole car, so if it were flagged to a human, unless you completely disguised the plate a line through it would be easily read by a human
@@voice.of.reasona wide strip of tape will cover the number plate. I'm not recommending it but it's easily done.
I saw several cars this summer arriving with tea towels draped over their number plates front and rear. Thought that was a good idea. Especially as the camera for this large car park was at the entrance only.
Once parked they couldn’t see the reg😂 where upon the towels were removed
I am a Cornishman living abroad and DVLA have no info on foreign regs.
My blood boiled watching this video i understand everyones anger.
Thanks a lot for raising this very important topic.🇫🇷🇨🇭
You're welcome! It is a difficult situation to manage succesffully from both sides of the fence, Sarah :)
I LOVE this idea
As with many things in this country we are all being fleeced with our parking wherever it is, we must stop paying these ridiculous parking charges and force these land owners and councils to think twice before installing these intimidating cameras, vote with your feet
Let's hope the Councils don't sucombe to these schemes, Sarah :)
Cornwall needs tourists. A modest car parking fee to pay for its upkeep is OK. Massive fines for the slightest infringement of the rules is not. This is sending many tourists away with a bad taste in their mouth and they will not be returning. Locals too: I live near Hayle and there are an increasing number of beaches and other attractions that I will not visit under any circumstances, so the cafes and shops in the vicinity will not be getting any spend from me.
It is off putting and will affect businesses, Sarah :)
It's probably because they make Moore from fines than actual parking.
Another great video, thank you. As a disabled person with mobility problems and a blue badge, I’m always upset and angry to find ANPR parking with no exemption or even discount for blue badge holders. We don’t have the option to park elsewhere and walk, so we’re a captive audience for greedy landowners. And even in car parks where you can phone & give your badge details, if there’s no signal, you’re scuppered! Makes me want to avoid Cornwall, which is so sad.
Well said, the so called lords of the manor are nothing but greedy bastards
It would be a shame if something happened to the equipment
We need Blade Runners for parking cams
No you’re right it wouldn’t be a shame 🙏
The ANPR would record the person's vehicle coming in though
@@DW-dd4iw only if they are thick...
Hee Hee, I thought the same thing 😂😂
These ANPR cameras do get cold and wet this time of the year. It’s nice and courteous to place a large insulated shopping bag over the camera to keep it dry. ;)
All that salt sea air can be very damaging. 😂
Another great video from these two. I was " fined" a couple of years ago for being ten mnutes late at the Mazarion car park opposite St Michaels Mount. We couldnt get into the park on time because there was a police incident but that didnt prevent a charge of £60 from the greedy people that run this park. Keep up the good work, its great to see all the places we have visited over the years.
Yes, nothing will wash! Sarah :)
We recently received a parking charge notice from Intial Parking at the same site. We tried to pay on returning to our car at 2 machines, the first of which would not display the amount to pay, and the 2nd of which said there was nothing to pay for our reg number. Complete and utter scam. We left a bad review of the experience on Tripadvisor and elsewhere. Suggest others do the same. In this case the land owners are St Aubyn Estates, who are not interested in any complaints about unfair charges, and refuse to do anything about their cowboy parking agents.
I am so dismayed to hear this. I live in Cornwall and feel very lucky to be born and bred here. I accept that tourism is our main industry, and that when visitors come they should be made to feel welcome. I have to admit that during the peak season I have moments of frustration when I cannot visit somewhere because it is too busy, but I then remind myself that I have the rest of the year to do so.
I also appreciate the fact that during the winter months in most places there are no parking charges. It mounts up if you have to pay every time you want to go for a walk. As more and more of these parking schemes are introduced it would seem that we will be faced with all year round charges. It is getting more and more expensive to run a car, yet with poor public transport, or even a total lack of it, it is essential in this part of the country. There are less facilities and lower wages than in the rest of the country but the compensation is that we can enjoy our beautiful beaches and countryside in the quieter seasons. It would seem that even this may be taken away from us now.
Your comment speaks to my heart! We have even toyed with the idea of moving despite being Cornish! Sarah :)
Poor public transport? Sweet Maggie Thatcher and her "privatisation" destroyed our service, Who cares they were probably running at loss? They were running for the local people and financed by us,6 buses a hour in each direction all day, Not 4 at peak and 2 an hour off peak as we get now
I have a set of false number plates which I stick on every time I visit one of these camera operated car parks.Never get a fine!
You are the reason parking charge notices exist.
Perhaps the blade runners would care to take their holidays down there, I’m sure all those ANPR cameras would be taking a permanent holiday afterwards 🤣🤣🤣
Cornwall is my County - I was born here and lived here all my life. I often make pasties on a Sunday for lunch and take them to the coast to eat by the sea - enjoying the views - well that is the idea but, finding somewhere to go now where we don’t have to worry about car parks is getting more and more difficult - as for AMP I wont go near them - YES!! this is ruining the County that I love. Again Andrew and Sarah - brilliant video and totally unbiased- well done
It’s such a shame, I love Cornwall but it’s a greedy county that seems to think everyone else is minted and owes it a favour . I do enjoy your channel x
Thank you!
I think a lot of the locals ( and I mean born and bred) have been left behind in the exploitation. Definitely a divide in Cornwall. It is a shame, Sarah :)
I don’t object to paying a reasonable parking fee if it is used to maintain the car park. I do wish that the machines were simpler to understand and to use. I have seen several older people confused by the machines and the instructions.
Thank you for another great video.
Dont mind paying if the money comes back into the community but will not make a Bunch of Fat Cats Even Fatter.
I get confused! And I am not that old yet and consider myself pretty good with tech! They are all different at the end of the day. Such a shame! Sarah :)
There is a small group of people who appear to own Cornwall, ripping visitors off and getting rich in the process. I find myself not going anywhere much now.
Our parents feel likewise, sticking to national Trust car parks where possible because they trust them and are fair. Sarah :)
Hi Sarah and Andrew, This country is going ampr mad, I say it's pure greed, and people will definitely avoid those places, and in the end, the land owners will lose out, the car park owners would do better to keep prices down a little and in the end they would make more money as more people would use there car parks, thank you for another great video Sarah and Andrew 👍👍
With so many people over the last few years, perhaps they feel they can charge what they like, Sarah :)
A cordless battery powered angle grinder comes in very handy at times like this
Shhhhhhhhhhhhh...
We are from New Zealand and interested in coming to Cornwall. We really appreciate your video because it shows people what's going on so they don't get caught out. Thank you!
Glad it was helpful! We hope you enjoy your visit!! Sarah :)
It won't be long before they ban parking on the road, to force people to go into the car park. I'm a very regular visitor to Cornwall but I'll be avoiding this place (and I have been to Caerhayes several times to visit the gardens).
Public highway - you can park anywhere as long as you aren't being an obstruction.
You mean like at Lands End where there are miles of double yellow lines forcing you to have to pay to park at Lands End site.
Then people will simply not come at all
Hi Sarah and Andrew,
Great video as always.
We have been caught by these dreadfull cameras driven by greed only. Intestingly if you check the only people who can issue a fine is the police and the council. Cornwall is being ruined by these cameras and hope it does not put people of enjoying these beautiful places.
Something must be done about these modern day Robber Barons. Maybe get a Petition going and write to our MP?
the rich barons own the mps unfortunatly
We keep a tub of coins in the car just for car parking. Also we have a sticker on the tub with the car number on it, we then take the tub to the machine. I do enjoy your videos. Too old to do stuff with phones!!
We have a bag in our car! We came a cropper though! Some machines have a maximum number of coins per payment so I still couldnt get rid of my 5p pieces! Sarah :)
Some of our charges here in Mid Wales have prices which end in 5p!@@CornishWalkingTrails
Greed knows no bounds. Keep up the good work.👍
Parked at lands end last year and you had to put your parking ticket on display not a problem. This year paid at the machine which didn’t ask for my reg got a fine for £100. Appealed it and was reduced to £20. Even though I had paid and had the ticket to prove it. Won’t bother visiting again felt ripped off by the way I was treated.
Gosh! And I think you still had more success than other people have had! Sarah :)
My wife and I are Brits who live in France and have always come to Cornwall/ The West Country most years to walk a part of the Coast Path, but because of these more recent dreadful parking restrictions we may stop coming. Over recent years we have been fined (unreasonably in our opinions) 3 times, and have come across a number of parking machines that simply didn't work. It's becoming a no-go area for us. Sooo sad !
Live in France as well. Flew into Bristol and picked up an hire car. Parked in Witherspoons but carpark was not owned by them and parking machine did not work. Left the car in the car park. After returning to France Europcar passed on the fine to me plus £50 handling fee.
Never trust these private car parks.
Tried to appeal but i was told i should have not parked there.
It is getting harder to live here! I think gaining a good grasp of the rules and avoiding fines will reduce their income, making it less viable, Sarah :)
We try to use National Trust car parks when we can. What we are finding, as pensioners who are on budgets, is there are less places we can visit in Cornwall. We have bus passes but destinations are limited because of the service and timings. There will come a time when we give up the car and spend time at home. Such a shame.
Am always happy to Pay to use National Trust Car Parks when back in the UK as its for a Good cause.
We also are on a fixed budget (although not retired!) and struggle with Cornwall these days! Everything is so expensive from petrol to parking and basics to tradesmen! Sarah :)
@@CornishWalkingTrails can help you.
Agree with Andrew: parking charges themselves seem reasonable, although a percentage should go towards maintenance - pot holes! Having to use a mobile phone to pay in areas with low or no signal however is wrong. Visitors will have to think and plan carefully before heading out to these beauty spots, ensuring they have enough change in their pockets. Until that is no longer an option 🥺 No more deciding on a whim to visit somewhere 😢
On our way to Marazion today for a wet week, but who cares 👏🏼👍👌🏻
Marazion is stunning no matter the weather! Cream tea in the Godolphin with a view of the Mount - lovely! Sarah :)
The estate should be blacklisted completely, sounds drastic but ppl power works.
If it was France they would send a Few muck spreaders to the Castle 🏰🐄🚜
@@clives344they would👍
I now live in Cornwall and love this beach. Parking on the road causes chaos. The pot holes in the car parks are dreadful, and the toilets are basically the same as they were over 35 years ago.
Good review Andrew & Sarah again....greed again raising its ugly head.
I have been caught several times with fines in Cornwall....I am now very suspicious of any car park and keep copies of receipts for several months upon my return.
I have experienced the 10 minutes looking for a space followed by 15 minutes trying to download some obscure app (no signal) followed by trying to pay by card (didn't work) followed by trying to ring the parking company to pay direct....(no one picking up the phone), followed by the inevitable parking fine.
I have been going to Cornwall for 60 years, and never felt as alienated by such behaviour. I am used to some of the locals resent emmets ( I would probably be the same if it was my home, although I don't know what other source of income Cornwall can fall back on), and yet in almost the same breath some in the Cornish Tourist industry have been bemoaning the quieter 2023 season.....are you surprised? A holiday in Cornwall is expensive and has restrictive beaches and Dick Turpin parking, entry fees and food.
Its back to wrecking my andsome!!
I can't argue against that!! Oooar! (Ooops! resorted to classic pirate there!) Sarah :)
Very good Sarah....haha! ;-D@@CornishWalkingTrails
I would just add that in the car park shown, there were plenty of options....App/Cash/contactless. Many don't have the contactless option which doesn't need a mobile signal to work.
@@CornishWalkingTrails We have just returned from a day out at Nová Baňa about 20 miles away. There is a really beautiful lake surrounded by beautiful wooded mountains up to 3,000 ft. I wish I could send you some photos. The sky was brilliant blue with a few fluffy clouds. We parked just a few yards from the lake and walked around it on the tarmac path. After our walk around the lake and up a track away from the lake, we drove into the centre of Nová Baňa and parked at the side of the road. We went into a coffee shop and spent an hour enjoying coffee and cakes. We wandered around the centre admiring some pretty buildings, a statue, and the main church in the town. We got back in the car and drove a bit further to the local Lidl and did a bit of food shopping and have been back for about an hour (Cup of Yorkshire tea (I bring it with me from England) and broccoli soup)
Parking charges.
Park as long as you like at the lake COMPLETELY FREE
Parking in the town In the centre they charge 50 Eurocents per hour or part thereof, 8.30 a.m. -
3.30 p.m. Monday to Friday. This to discourage people from paring outside
the main post office all day. Park a couple of hundred yards away and the
parking is free. On Saturdays and Sundays parking, even in the centre,
(today is Saturday) is completely free.
Parking at Lidl. As you expect, parking at Lidl is free.
Total parking charges for our day out ? ABSOLUTELY NIL
Where is Nová Baňa Deepest Slovakia.
I have spent approximately 25 months of the last 4 years in Slovakia and during that time, we have paid for parking on 3 occasions. When I tell Slovaks about parking charges at hospitals the reaction is a mixture of incredulity and horror, "Nie ! Nie ! Nemôžete spoplatniť parkovanie v NEMOCNICI .... NIE !" (No ! No! You cannot charge people to park at HOSPITALS ... NO !) Compare that to parking at Treliske.
2nd Class rail fares are about 7 pence per mile. Bus fares about 8 pence per mile (Compare that to the Truro Park and Ride. (£2.20 return ... Tregurra - City Centre ... a mile in and a mile out ... £1.10 per mile.]
Všetko najlepšie zo Slovenska (All that is best from Slovakia)
The charges are not over the top, however I do object to charging disabled people. My wife is a wheelchair user, those car parks are in appalling condition, she would have struggled to push her chair on that surface. A lot car parks give free parking or allow an extra hour for Blue Badge holders. I’m sure there was a court case where a disabled person argued it took them longer to set up a wheelchair and organise payment, I think the court agreed and quashed a fine.
The car park sign (see at 4:55) says these charges dont apply to Blue badge holders. I take your point about the surface but the how realistic would it be for them to recoup tarmaccing the car park for a park thats likey only mainly used JUne-Sep and empty rest of the year.
@@Joe-lb8qn It says the tariffs Do apply to Blue Badge holders. Also, if they can’t afford to resurface to make it suitable for wheelchair users, then don’t charge them.
Yes, not a good surface for mobility issues generally. Sarah :)
@@Jollops It is the land owners right to determine what they do with their land within planning and legal constraints. If people do not like the owner's offer, don't accept it. It's that simple.
After spending a week at St. Ives this year in my opinion the whole of Cornwall is one big rip off as we found out when touring around. parking for a day at St. Ives was £16 per day other places matched these prices. Food and drinks again overpriced! the big question would I come back to Cornwall? NO WAY. Would I recommend Cornwall? NO WAY. The old joke about Pirates being all dead now is not true as there are a lot still living in Cornwall.
Google search Cornwall and St Ives will pop up! I think that St Ives has become a victim of its own success and is not a fair representation of most of Cornwall. There are so many quiet unspoiled places - take a look at some of our videos! Try Porthoustock, St Keverne, Portreath, Rame Peninsula, Bude. All lovely places and not as in demand as St Ives. Sarah :)
Bring back somebody in a wooden hut collecting a parking charge. We are forever having problems with Cornwall's parking machines at beaches and in towns. Contactless card payments don't always work because the machine itself has no internet/mobile signal! Greetings from Bodmin Moor - the remote bit. (PS Visitors, please don't park in the moor's passing bays on single track roads. 😒 Thank you.)
I bet signal on Bodmin Moor is patchy, especially the remote bit!
Love the bit at the end of your comment! Also the passing bays on narrow coastal roads on the way to the beach, or narrow country roads, or narrow roads to landmarks, popular amenities and monuments! Basically a lot of Cornwall!! Thank you! Sarah :)
@@CornishWalkingTrails We've one spot in the house with a mobile signal. There's no landline. Ah! The joy of being the only house on the postcode. 😀
We have stopped going to the Kings own estate of Sandringham for the same reason. So not just a Cornish plague. Always love your videos.
Ill never visit again , the car park prices are attrocious , plenty other places to visit in uk that dont ROB tourists !!
£4.50 for 4 hours doesnt seem outrageous these days thats half what some of my local car parks charge. I'm more peeved they pointlessly put up a system for mobileapps when theres clearly no signal.
Hi Andrew and Sarah. Totally agree with all you said Andrew. In my opinion I don't think it was too strong. I don't think it was strong enough!
Regarding the ANPR. Just wondering if the people who install these systems in "out of the way" areas, consider beforehand whether or not there is wifi coverage. Makes you think doesn't it?
Son't think they consider fixing it, maybe as a way to increase their revenue through 'fines'. After all the parking charges are not high, Sarah :)
I normally avoid private car parks like the plague. I loathe the damn things. I literally won't go to Lamorna Cove anymore (other than by foot) because of how bad that particular location is on the parking front. With regard to Caerhays, I think the charges themselves are pretty reasonable in the grand scheme of things. I also understand that parking was only passed over to a private parking company because the landowner experienced so many problems with antisocial behaviour, people blocking access, refusing to leave, holding all night beach parties with music, etc, to the extent where staff members were getting threatened and assaulted. At which point they threw up their hands and handed it over to a private parking company to deal with. As much as I loathe private parking companies (most of which are rotten to the core), it's the few who ruin it for the rest of us.
The beach was clean and tidy when we visited, but also quiet. Great place now if you want a beach almost to yourself!! LOL! Sarah :)
I think the problem is the ANPR aspect, notwithstanding there is no internet signal in many of these places. People would come armed with coinage if normal machines were installed. Parking companies are too greedy. 😢
Well said Andrew. Too much greed is spoiling day trips and visiting beauty spots. Another enjoyable video from you both. Thank you.
Once again, fantastic video. Thank you xxx❤
You are so welcome! Sarah :)
Another great video. As we have mentioned before (and will probably say again), we are finding your videos a great asset in planning our trip to Cornwall next year when we hope to gather more information on our family tree. We will now be more conscious of the rules surrounding parking when we visit. Thanks for all your hard work. Mark and Cheryl Gribble (Brisbane, Australia)
Thank you for your video presentations.
Greed amongst other issues is one of the reasons why the visiting characteristics of who is visiting Cornwall has so changed over eighty years.
So sad.
As far as I understand it, if the car park is on private land and you receive a fine, you are not obliged to pay it: the company issuing the fine cannot force the owner of the car to disclose the identity of whomever was driving the car when it entered the car park. I received a "parking notice" a few years ago in Bristol and, because I felt it was unfair, I did a little bit of research and found this out from a legal boff on a "parking fine" forum: The company issuing the notice will encourage you to pay up quickly with the threat of an increased fee (usually double) if you don't. They will then send another letter with an increased fee, followed by another, followed by a threat of legal action, followed by....nothing. I tried my luck and, over a few months of nervously "waiting it out" this is exactly what happened. The only exception is if you receive a fine after using a council/government owned car park. In this case, they can force the owner of the car that incurred a parking notice to name the driver of the vehicle who drove into the car park.
Great video again, guys!
Sounds like a game of chicken! Sarah :)
They can chase you even more. I'm an NHS nurse. I went to an Aldi , bought my lunch and did my notes on the laptop , Sat in car for 11 minutes last the allowed 2 hrs.The dvla gave them my information,it's been on going for a year now, I've had MP involved, Mayor and they are still taking me to court. I've decided that if the judge sides with the private company I'm leaving straight away for Australia as I have residency there and I WILL NEVER return to this disgusting country.
It's not just Cornwall. ANPR is a fact of life everywhere these days sadly. I have a blue badge. Luckily someone had tipped me off that the car parks in Kent where I sometimes park, are now ANPR controlled & you have to register your Badge with the local council now in order to have free parking in a disabled bay. If you do not know this fact they will charge you on exit via the cameras & by post. The most ridiculous thing is that you have to register with each Council separately in Medway. Registering with one alone will not allow you to park free in any other space outside of the Council you are registering with. When we visited Caerhays back in 2018 it was a different story. What would Poldark have said?! (Caerhays Estate featured in the books!). I don't blame Andrew for being hopping mad. We are fast becoming a power & money controlled country in every aspect of our lives. So sad. x J x
This is something that always winds him up! Also the Council has raised charges inCornwall so every time we want to film a walk video we end up paying £10 which, with the cost of petrol, is making those videos unviable, Sarah :)
Hi, watching your ANPR car parking video, my experience at West Pentire Car Park, Newquay (47328) on 18 September 2023 was £4.00 for 1 hour (ironically very close to Porth Joke) enjoy your videos, good walking, David.
I have cancelled my holiday to Cornwall twice now due to rising prices for accommodation and general expenses while there....I am going abroad to a 4 star all inclusive resort for 2 weeks and its costing half of the price of a two week rental in Cornwall...something is wrong and people will turn their backs on holidays in the UK....
The pent up demand after lockdown made it easy for holiday home owners to book out their accommodation but with cheaper holidays abroad, it will be interesting to see if some of the Cornish business models are still viable going forward. Sarah :)
We have bought a caravan this year and for the same amount we were due to pay for 2 weeks in a self catering apartment we have had 8 weeks away in the caravan.
We will be bringing it to Cornwall next year 🎉
we go to Cornwall most years and tour around but as we are in a motorhome we choose campsites close to the coast and dont move the van once sited, and walk everywhere, occasionally bus, we see so many beautiful hidden coves by foot, and several different places in 1 day, I can just imagine how these parking charges would soon add up, & the phone reception is usually pants in Cornwall. We saw it this year as we were walking through Marazion heading for the SWCP, the queues for the already full beach carparks, and this wasnt even peak season. Another great informative video :-)
I will not try to have an opinion about UK rules and politics, and I find the the parking prices quite reasonable. But then there should have been better maintenance and marked spaces. And it should definitely be easier to pay. One cannot use an app when there is no signal.... 🙄 I walked past these beautiful beaches this summer on my way to Gorran Haven and didn't need to park. But I didn't know that the Caerhays estate owned East and West Portholland too 😊 Thank you for sharing this lovely video ❤ Torunn
A stunnign stretch! And quite a workout from Mevagissey, Pentewan and on to black head! Sarah :)
@@CornishWalkingTrails yes, it was a bit challenging but also a very enjoyable and beautiful walk from Mevagissey to Charlestown. Quite undulating in places with a lot of steps, but nothing really too much 🙂 We took only a short walk with some Cornish friends from Gorran Haven to Mevagissey the previous day so we had a little extra energy 🙂
Thanks for the video guys. This is a section of the SW coast path we have still to walk and looking forward to doing, so good to know about the parking. ANPR is very sneaky.
Excellent video - highlighting such an increasing issue
What a lovely free country we used to live in. In 1998 I went with my wife and our young children to show them all the lovely places I went to as a child in Dorset and Cornwall when everything was free with the odd exception of a small car park fee. Then the National Trust got involved and had control of all the car parks and it was really expensive, that was annoying. Why anyone goes there now I have no idea. I choose to go to places in the world where they don't treat you like some kind of easy target to extort cash.
👍🏻Parking is our third biggest expense when we holiday in Cornwall after fuel and caravans park fees. It's getting worsen there and I speak as a 54 year old who's grandparents lived in Gorran Haven. Good videos!
Great video thanks
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Another great vid guys, good that you are highlighting this ANPR ruse. No one objects to paying a parking charge it`s just the way they do it that gets your goat and the fact the DVLA are complicit in this practice amazes me. it is just greed and Andrew is right in saying it will give Cornwall a bad reputation. We were in Scotland and Northumberland in May and much to our amazement car parking was free. If there is no phone signal you cannot pay on your phone and if you don`t have the right cash then a hefty invoice will wing it`s way to you. We now carry a coin bag with some pound coins when we go away, well done for highlighting this I would like to see the Estate comment on this ,,,,,,Brian&Jane.
What incredible locations!...so beautiful and atmospheric. I'm not a motorist myself, but I can see how this situation is driving (pun?) visitors away. Surely the DVLA selling details to a private car-parking company transgresses data law ~ a fundamental breach of the privacy/confidentiality rights of the car owner? Also, I wonder where else the ANPR camera logged car reg. details are stored? I realize it's private land but sadly it seems our coastline, much like everything else these days, is falling prey to over-commodification.
You would think that the DVLA should not be allowed to do this but it is within their legal parameters unfortunately! Sarah :)
I guess I'm living in la-la land but would love to see a smiling face in a wooden kiosk again, collecting cash instead :) @@CornishWalkingTrails
When we were in Brittany there was next to no parking charges.
Only in Ripoff UK
Cash is still king, keep it going.
Glad to see you speaking out and Andrew getting cross. Makes me angry watching it.
He definitely gets cross at times!! Usually at me for getting it wrong!! Ha! Ha! Sarah :)
❤Sharing your video to my Fb friends and acquaintences as I hope they will share ut on to others too. More people should learn about the shenanigans tried by such landowners and the DVLA - that's shocking behaviour.
Thankyou so much for your efforts to bring these facts to us...and your filming of those beautiful coves and sandy beaches.❤
Great video as usual! Did you notice as you went to Caerhays , from the Gorran road, the old cast iron signes were put back incorrectly after the war, so that as you travel the nearer you get the further away you are!
Only 3 months ago i had a £60 fine in Cheltenham, when a ANPR parking site would NOT let me pay, i appealed , but it was turned down. Just 2 weeks ago at Praa sands, the blood drained out of me when after following all the info, no ticket was expelled from the m/c NO INTERNET SIGNAL, a trip back to the car and scrabbled about to find two pound coins, resulted in a nice ticket to put in the windscreen. These m/c are all different and not very easy to use if your not up on all this modern way of parting with your money.
You are spot on Andrew! As for a goverrnment organisation selling private info to private companirs....... don't get me started!
"Them that asks no questions isn't told a lie, so watch the wall my darlings as the Bladerunners go by." 😂
That’s the point they don’t want people travelling out of their local area
It's not just Cornwall, Northumberland and North Yorkshire feature them too. They are generally hated by the public.
Would it be possible on your walks to advice of nearby accommodation. Would love to visit Cornwall. Great info. Thanks.
all part of the 15 minute cities crap that "they" want no one to go beyond 15 minutes out of home .. also i believe that all beaches should be free for everyone to enjoy .. you cant own our contryside
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Open spaces should be free to enjoy in law to benefit humanity as a whole. Our parliament together with wef, our king and un want us peasants locked up in cities and banned from the countryside that is policy and not a conspiracy theory. Expect access to the countryside to get mysteriously harder and harder in the future if we don't stop this
Parking is big business now and can provide a very profitable and easy way to make money with minimal effort. Problem is mobile phone signal in Cornwall, especially the more remote locations is next to nothing and as we are being pushed more to a cashless society, then people wont have change on them, so they either find somewhere else to park like on the road, or simply don't go there.
I hate all of these ANPR car parks be they at beaches, pubs, shopping centres etc, always feel my privacy is being invaded.
Haven't been to Cornwall/Devon for a few years. Always accepted car parking charges may be a pound or two more at places like St Michael's Mount, I remained in control though and although I accept I may get a ticket if I over-stayed, did not feel someone was intentionally trying to rip me off.
Never had these issues on summer holidays when we drove to Brittany, I think the French have a healthy attitude to this kind of thing !
In France 🇫🇷 where i am resident they Would destroy such cameras, they dont mess around. In the South its seems to be a national sport.
Wow! When I was working at County Hall, many moons ago, a local farmer was so angry he brought his muck spreader to the front door - quite a mess! Sarah :)
@@CornishWalkingTrails In Brittany just across the water they have used these tactics several times..yes made a heck of a mess.
The Castle you filmed wouldn’t look so nice.
I agree 🤙🏻👏
Caveat, I'm coming from the USA. Travelled in Cornwall Sept 2022. I was fortunate to find some car park videos on TH-cam that warned me about the problem of exorbitant fines levied for the smallest infractions. Now I'm not saying we did well because of our research and diligence. I do believe we also had some luck. We stayed in Millendreath and the owner of our let instructed us how to use the car park. We paid 20 pounds for the week: pay and display. When we went to St. Michael's Mount we parked in the large ANPR lot and paid a little extra in case we were to run out of time. Large car park in Tintagel: we parked in King Arthur's Car Park right in town: nice and big/pay and display. In Port Isaac, I highly recommend St. Endellion Car Park run by the parish council. It is small and fills up quickly but the views are great and it takes you right into town with the Portwenn view. This was probably our least favorite car park as it was a bit difficult to manevver the car into the parking spot. Being foreign, we didn't park along the roads...don't know the rules. To be safe, don't take chances. Must share: In Chicago, I did have a vehicle impounded or taken away. Had to call a taxi to take us to the lot where we had to wait for my husband to bail us out with $150. I only had a Discover card which they didn't take. So, not so lucky after all.
We have the same in Devon, Bovisand Beach being one under PPS , son in law bought a ticket but later received a fine for not paying, but sadly cleaned car so lost ticket, ending up paying the later fine of £100 after appealing, they will never visit again & neither will we, & it’s such a beautiful area to take time out
Agreed whole heartedly.
If you have to pay there should be toilets available to use aswell.
The big attraction in Cornwall are the beaches and familys can't afford to be paying every day for parking.
For years now we have put money away in a jar to save for the parking when on holiday in Cornwall.
We use the N.T car parks a lot as we are members and they are free, which saves you a lot of money.
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We got a fine for my rear wheels on the grass at port issac last year I was in a van so didn't want to stick out to much...
I've always wanted to go to Cornwall in my Van snorkelling in the sea but ive heard many reviews saying the people of Cornwall dont like people in campervans so have never bothered.....many people opt for the lakes and Scotland now...
We've visited Cornwall for many years, travelling regularly from East Sussex and have witnessed the slow deterioration of the experience of holidaying there, this unbridled attack on the wallets of the county's primary source of income ( tourists) reflects the same short term greed driven way the rest of our society has been treated over the last decade, shameful
My theory is similar to our chip shop during and after covid, What few loyal customers she had she would "fleece them" charging more" to make up the reduction in customers
We went to Hayle beach recently, Harvey towans car park. It now has app only parking fee signs which seams to have been installed by the commercial landowner during all the recent development in this area. It's not expensive but you can't get a phone signal to pay so didn't stay. Lovely spot, access track very rough though! We tour Cornwall every year but have noticed the increase in parking costs and that NT appear to be putting parking meters everywhere they possibly can. Shame.
I noticed that too, last time we went to Hayle. The road is covered with very deep potholes. Might be different when they build the luxury hotel on Lula's Bar site, Sarah :)
I got conned by these APNR cameras in Lamora Cove (no signal) and will not park in APNR carparks again, I love cornwall and the pasties but am a lot less happy about visiting these days due to these scams which destroy happy holiday memories. I now go to South west wales which has great beaches, Less people and is just as nice. Be careful Cornwall you depend on the tourist income.
We almost went on holiday there this year, but plans had to be cancelled. It is on the list! Sarah :)
I'd be very worried that once i pulled into one of these car parks then even if i drove out straight away because I didnt like the Ts&Cs (or as you've shown no phone signal,)or a computer error (even if here you get first 30 min free) i might still get "fined" (or whatever the appropriate legal term is). I visited Cornwall earlier this year and literally kept a bag with £20 in £1 coins in the car as a result of your vids (thanks) but its easy to be caught out with no cash especially these days.
Hmmm, £20 will last a couple of days maybe?!!! He! He! Sarah :)
To summarise : avoid Cornwall.
You can avoid these charges and / or fines, by not visiting these rip off places, but it looks like EVERY beauty spot with a car park is a rip off which makes visiting Cornwall without being ripped off impossible.
A friend of mine entered their reg incorrectly at the machine and the company tried to fine them.
I told her not to respond .
However she did.
Eventually she stood her ground and they dropped the fine.
I used to take friends down to Lamorna a lot, and a man in a kiosk used to take your money to park.
I don't go there anymore.
Hi Sarah here in Copenhagen denmark we have the same problems anpr cameras everywhere we have 4 large shopping centers and three use anpr parking but when you go into the shopping center lots shops are boarded up because these big companies are just ripping people off with the rent they charge yet we have a lovely lovely huge shopping centre near to where I live which is a private family owned one which is totally free parking all day it has great range of shops and is always full people the family that ownes it seems to have got it just right i was on holiday in June this year in the cotswolds and the prices for parking is crazy no wonder Britain is on its knees, roy copenhagen denmark 🇩🇰
Have a look at Rock car parking..
Oooo! Now that's an expensive area of Cornwall! Sarah :)
Nothing in the rules about a passenger walking in front of the car with a large umbrella as it enters the car park and as it leaves 😉😉
Having left Cornwall around 20 years ago (and living there for around 30 years), we were totally SHOCKED by the 24/7 machines and the fact that they have been placed there without planning permission! This is a sharp turn around from the same family who used to let very local residents into their beautiful garden at no charge, one day a year! We too remember when there was a man in a ticket booth taking car park money and only during the season.
It has made us wonder if it is the Carhaze family (which we pronounce Car-aze) or the estate office calling the tune. We have known of a friend, whose water pipe running through Lord Falmouth's land, receiving a letter saying that rent was going to be charged for it ( they had lived there for a couple of years when this happened). She was so incensed by this that she wrote to his Lordship. He replied that he knew nothing about this and revoked it with immediate effect! Maybe someone should write to Mr Williams.
I also think that the DVLA selling our private details to private people should be deemed illegal. They should only be available to the police, as in the past. Thank goodness that we no longer own a car!
Hi Sarah and Andrew. Payingfor the doyble carpark makessense if they maintain them ie not pot holes but for thetqosmall ones is does not. I am glad the people won the perrition I wish the won foe the othersmall one as well. I don't drive but even I would park in the road safer than the carparkqhere you can risk getting a fine.
I live in Devon and have a caravan permanently sited in Cornwall. Both counties are trying to rob people of every penny wherever they can. we've just come back from 2 weeks near Elgin, Scotland. Different beach every day not a penny in parking charges. The only time i paid for parking was in Elgin.... 50p per hour !!
Wow! And yet they are still able to provide parking facilities. I wonder if the devolved government help with funding, very interesting. Sarah :0
I went to Cornwall back in 2010 and it was bad then! I pulled into a little layby with enough room for 3 cars just to stop and eat my sandwiches. There was a bloody parking metre in it! I have no idea why anyone would even be in that layby for any length of time as it was on a rural lane with nothing else about! Now they're doing the same here in Yorkshire and trying to stop people in those little campervans from parking anywhere near the beaches! The locals like having the campers around as they're really tidy & friendly & we love sharing our landscape with people who love it too!
Whilst I don't condone criminal damage, a few night time sorties with a portable angle grinder should upset the nasty parking companies with their petty rules and regulations. They are the same companies who used to go out clamping vehicles before it became illegal.
Also, if you refuse to pay the charge, remember, it's NOT a fine, they can and will pass the charge on to a debt collection company. If you still refuse to pay it could affect your credit rating.
Quiet out the way car parks 🪜🪚
🙁🇬🇧Thankyou!
With all the local car parking areas charging and ulez before you leave your road it feels like we’re being charged to live.
Great vid … one thought, you don’t need a signal to pay with Apple Pay. Same with Google pay I think.
pity the days of parking in Cornwall for a £1 have gone 😢
I didnt know that will try if that happens in future. Do you know that for sure? I suppose you could, retriopectively, pay the parking later in the day after youd left even when you hada signal?
Yes, I looked that up once I returned home, similar to card payments I believe and does not need a signal on your phone, Sarah :)
It is a shame. Recently my husband and I were in Mevagissey on holiday. We had a rental car. We took the ANPR warnings seriously and paid extra on our time, placed the paid receipt in the window and took a picture of our paid receipt against my husbands watch for proof upon leaving. There was ample time left. When we returned home we received a fine notification in the post saying no proof of payment. We sent the picture of our receipt to them. Their response, no proof of car registration and a very long paragraph of circular reasoning. Tourists beware - 60 pounds we were forced to pay plus an administration fee of approx 30 pounds from the rental car company. With exchange it cost us over $100 Cdn to pay for 1.5 hours.
Oh my goodness me! Was that Sunny Corner? It has its own facebook page! Notorious in Mevagissey, Sarah :)
The receipt does say Sunny Corner Sarah, you are correct. Apparently it is not ANPR according to my husband it is called Premier Parking Solutions, their website states; specializes in locating land no matter what size or condition it may be in & turning it into a profitable asset for the landowner or organization……yikes :) they may be affiliated with ANPR as they also state they do ANPR enforcement
And another thing: what Right does the DVLA have to sell our Personal Details? And £24 000 000 is not very much out of £2 600 000 000, is it?
Surely that’s a breach of data security?
It's explicitly permitted in law. When they (quite rightly) banned clamping on private land, the concession was that they would allow parking companies to find out the details of car owners to enforce payment.
The numbers are huge!! Sarah :)
Well watching this I’m sorry because I’ve loved Cornwall in the past but unfortunately with this ridiculous parking we won’t be visiting again.
I agree APNR parking charges are ruining the holiday experience in Cornwall. The whole system is designed to maximise profit for the land owners
I received a fine because I inputted my car registration number wrong by one digit The private company operating the car parking 🅿️ would not budge. They insisted I paid the fine in full. No surprise that visitors to Cornwall are down 20 percentage points this year