Referring people to your Discord is quite a cheap strategy considering I don't want to be inactive in another server and doesn't motivate me to watch more of these if you can't provide the results in the actual video. Just give the results in the video dammit
Drum en bass no processing AB (A hardware, B plugin) Dnb processed AB (A hardware, B plugin) Bass overdrive AB (A plugin B hardware) Guitar AB (A plugin B hardware) Vocals AB (A hardware B plugin)
I was hoping the link could lead me to other YT video Wich I wouldn’t mind but as soon as I saw taking me to another blá-blá-blá I completely gave up😂…so totally feel you…just give the Damn result here😂
FOR PPL WHO DONT HAVE DISCORD Drum en bass no processing AB (A hardware, B plugin) Dnb processed AB (A hardware, B plugin) Bass overdrive AB (A plugin B hardware) Guitar AB (A plugin B hardware) Vocals AB (A hardware B plugin)
Yo wtf I’m so sick of people wasting my time with these ABs and hiding the results. No im not gonna download and join discord to see the results. Thats wack af
6:33 forcing people to go to your discord to know the results of the blind test is pretty stupid to be honest. i wouldn't subscribe to a channel using that way of getting people in their server
@@thomasvopstal if you're worried the results being shown here prvides less value to your discord, your discord didn't t have value anyways. find a better way to bring in viewers otherwise you'll have to ban and remove anyone who doesn't care to. There are people who dont even have discord lmao come on bro
@@RemmyMusic1 It’s seems to have bothered you so much. It’s really not that deep. I, and many other people aren’t annoyed with it - why are you? Just relax yourself, you might enjoy your life just a little bit more my guy 😂
@@thomasvopstal I agree as well. Cheap way to force discord on people, that's not appreciated. I expected a serious analysis here. There's plenty other sources for other comparisons, so i will feel free not to visit this channel ever again.
I don't get it why there are so many AB comparison videos out there, but never do they actually give you the exact same loop to compare but instead always switch from one to the other way to often!
Ok wow, i'm not going to giveaway the results, but i actually got 2 wrong (rare for me). And this is tricky, because i have a 1073 clone and on some material it's warmer than plugins, other times it loses a bit of low end but tightens up the sound and gives it clarity. Obviously this doesn't make sense. But i suspect it has something to do with stereo vs mono processing. Let me explain. What i always hear from plugins on stereo processing, is a compacting of elements into a narrow centre image (i hate it). The hardware as demonstrated here has a bit of width to the centre image, the bass fits nicely with and around the drums, it also grooves nicely for some odd reason. But it also has a bit of warmth and sparkle (harmonics and variance likely) when doing stereo. The entire spatialisation is better on the hardware. Now on the single channel processing, we don't have this same enhancement from the hardware. It does its thing of adding some richness, but nothing in the spatialisation department (lets say depth for example). I picked the warmer example as the hardware on a single channel example, but it was the plugin ! The hardware on single channel processing is as i said, losing a bit of low end but tightening and adding nice harmonic richness. So my guess is that when hardware does stereo processing, the combining of the two channels is creating psychoacoustic effects related to subtle modulation of phase and delay, especially with the added harmonics thrown into it. Also, i preferred the overdrive on the plugin ! Shocker. It sounded thick without adding any higher frequency distortion, which is surprising, but i'd need to hear the original unprocessed bass to hear what's actually being done to it. It's because i don't like the sound of that particular distortion the hardware was doing on bass when listening in solo, but i bet it makes it fit well into a mix. Anyway, thanks again for doing this Thomas, neatly done :) Oh before i forget, as far as EQ'ing, the plugin appeared to be right on. Compliments to that ! EQ is one thing dsp can get close on. Just need to get around this spatialisation issue.
@@benkeibagarmossen4835 Let's help you. Did you know you don't actually have to read everything ? If you increase your brain cells it will help you to make better decisions in your life.
yea that's right. Hardwares are very accurate and precise on stereo width but the digital ones sounds like pushing them to the center a little bit, that's the common flaw of plugins. I used to think it's the reason of two hardware's settings are not exactly same (even "the same" there probably bias in circuits exists) but I'm not quite sure about this. I tried this on plugin, split the signal into two channels, load same plugins and applied a little difference and it sounds closer to hardware. however the plugins are really not that good at creating a tight low end...
@@ordinarymonster1187 Glad you confirmed the same observation. Yes splitting the plugin onto Left and Right channels helps, but not the same spatial effect. I'm glad that at least the DAW stereo mixbus is not collapsing the image from a hardware print. So i don't think digital is the problem. (whether or not a pure analogue chain is better than a digital mixbus is less a priority than preventing this spatial collapse from plugins). Regarding tight low end, i think this is less of an issue with EQ, but a clear difference with compression, and i think it is to do with the way the same circuit components handle different frequencies. I've found that using a high pass sidechain filter on a plugin compressor can bring you closer to that low end heft of hardware, but that's not actually the same thing as being a component induced variation.
100% agree @bontempo! As someone who has tons of hardware, many times software works better. I hate stereo tracks, ones that come out the vst instrument or is given to me in stereo. Normally I split it into mono and make my own stereo track , if needed, by creating or putting it in a space custom for the track. I stopped doing these tests because as obvious it SEEMS to be in solo, often times not so much when you take solo off and play it with the other tracks. Hofa's Blind Test plugin will humble you quickly!!
Wow, the hardware is so much fatter in the low end on the D&B. Gives instant vibes. The distortion is also interesting. It sound like they put an alias filter in the plugin which takes away the whole experience. It would be interesting to throw the UAD 1073 to see how it competes with the Lindell.
Amazing, I actually preferred the plugin to the hardware by some margin. The plugin was punchier, more open and had more energy to my ears and just as rich as the hardware. I'm very surprised. Thanks for the comparison.
@@ramspencer5492 Drum en bass no processing AB (A hardware, B plugin) Dnb processed AB (A hardware, B plugin) Bass overdrive AB (A plugin B hardware) Guitar AB (A plugin B hardware) Vocals AB (A hardware B plugin)
You had the plugin on its default mode (soft clipping), so its quite obvious which is which when you drive the signal... should have set it to hard clipping to match the hardware :(
so here are my thoughts on this (without giving away the secrets) using TV speakers only Drum en bass no processing (couldn't tell the difference) Dnb processed (Couldn't really tell the difference) When I found out the truth, I wasn't surprised at the following Bass overdrive (neve hardware superior - was fuller, rounder, more 3 dimensional when pushing the real analog circuits) Guitar (neve hardware superior- can anyone deny neve when it comes to mids that are 3 dimensional?) Vocals (neve hardware superior - again, with the mids and analog circuits how well they pick up the human voice) I wouldn't say it was even close for the last 3...it's what you pay for and why it's worth it if you recording analog instruments and the human voice
They’re not exactly the same in terms of electronics. The classic neve modules are still being handwired where the 1073n is not. Usually that can mean it doesn’t sound as good. I haven’t had the chance to directly compare the two, so i can’t tell you if that’s the case
without checking the answer - no discord account - i could bet b is the hardware, based on the first set of files. i like lindell plugins, but the difference is big. across 20 tracks it would make a tremendous difference. the plugin ( if i'm not mistaken) is more bloated, honkier, grainier in the highs, less bright, and not as weighty in the bass. on the other hand, thinking about this description, i think it can all be summed up by bloatware in the low mids - cutting those out would bring forward the low end, and the top, as well. on the other hand, as someone pointed out in the comments, it depends a lot on the oversampling settings. the right oversampling rate would cut exactly that low mid overprojection. and, by the screen graphics, the plugin seemed to have the eq engaged, in the first test, while the hardware module didn't. that also makes a difference.
Referring people to your Discord is quite a cheap strategy considering I don't want to be inactive in another server and doesn't motivate me to watch more of these if you can't provide the results in the actual video. Just give the results in the video dammit
Drum en bass no processing AB (A hardware, B plugin)
Dnb processed AB (A hardware, B plugin)
Bass overdrive AB (A plugin B hardware)
Guitar AB (A plugin B hardware)
Vocals AB (A hardware B plugin)
@@RemmyMusic1 Thanks! Interesting that I greatly preferred the hardware on Vocals, but slightly preferred the plug-in on all other comparisons.
I was hoping the link could lead me to other YT video Wich I wouldn’t mind but as soon as I saw taking me to another blá-blá-blá I completely gave up😂…so totally feel you…just give the Damn result here😂
@@anothamatt Bro I was thinking the same exact thing lol. I don't want none of that extra grit on my vocals but it did sound nice on the instruments.
Yea that was real douche bag of him. I gave the video a thumb down and then saw your comment lol
FOR PPL WHO DONT HAVE DISCORD
Drum en bass no processing AB (A hardware, B plugin)
Dnb processed AB (A hardware, B plugin)
Bass overdrive AB (A plugin B hardware)
Guitar AB (A plugin B hardware)
Vocals AB (A hardware B plugin)
Thank you!
I actually registered to discord as he had instructed and couldnt even find the result. All for a follow...
Thank you very much
Yo wtf I’m so sick of people wasting my time with these ABs and hiding the results. No im not gonna download and join discord to see the results. Thats wack af
I agree, this is so stupid. Unsubscribed from this channel for this stupid shit
Serefffffffsiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiz
We have both. Lindell gets incredibly close.
6:33 forcing people to go to your discord to know the results of the blind test is pretty stupid to be honest. i wouldn't subscribe to a channel using that way of getting people in their server
Feel free to not watch my vids or sub, but copying the results from the discord is not really appreciated
@@thomasvopstal if you're worried the results being shown here prvides less value to your discord, your discord didn't
t have value anyways. find a better way to bring in viewers otherwise you'll have to ban and remove anyone who doesn't care to. There are people who dont even have discord lmao come on bro
@@RemmyMusic1 It’s seems to have bothered you so much. It’s really not that deep. I, and many other people aren’t annoyed with it - why are you? Just relax yourself, you might enjoy your life just a little bit more my guy 😂
@@thomasvopstal I agree as well. Cheap way to force discord on people, that's not appreciated. I expected a serious analysis here. There's plenty other sources for other comparisons, so i will feel free not to visit this channel ever again.
I don't get it why there are so many AB comparison videos out there, but never do they actually give you the exact same loop to compare but instead always switch from one to the other way to often!
exaclty
Ok wow, i'm not going to giveaway the results, but i actually got 2 wrong (rare for me). And this is tricky, because i have a 1073 clone and on some material it's warmer than plugins, other times it loses a bit of low end but tightens up the sound and gives it clarity. Obviously this doesn't make sense. But i suspect it has something to do with stereo vs mono processing. Let me explain.
What i always hear from plugins on stereo processing, is a compacting of elements into a narrow centre image (i hate it). The hardware as demonstrated here has a bit of width to the centre image, the bass fits nicely with and around the drums, it also grooves nicely for some odd reason.
But it also has a bit of warmth and sparkle (harmonics and variance likely) when doing stereo. The entire spatialisation is better on the hardware.
Now on the single channel processing, we don't have this same enhancement from the hardware. It does its thing of adding some richness, but nothing in the spatialisation department (lets say depth for example).
I picked the warmer example as the hardware on a single channel example, but it was the plugin ! The hardware on single channel processing is as i said, losing a bit of low end but tightening and adding nice harmonic richness. So my guess is that when hardware does stereo processing, the combining of the two channels is creating psychoacoustic effects related to subtle modulation of phase and delay, especially with the added harmonics thrown into it.
Also, i preferred the overdrive on the plugin ! Shocker. It sounded thick without adding any higher frequency distortion, which is surprising, but i'd need to hear the original unprocessed bass to hear what's actually being done to it. It's because i don't like the sound of that particular distortion the hardware was doing on bass when listening in solo, but i bet it makes it fit well into a mix.
Anyway, thanks again for doing this Thomas, neatly done :) Oh before i forget, as far as EQ'ing, the plugin appeared to be right on. Compliments to that ! EQ is one thing dsp can get close on. Just need to get around this spatialisation issue.
Bla bla bla
@@benkeibagarmossen4835 Let's help you. Did you know you don't actually have to read everything ? If you increase your brain cells it will help you to make better decisions in your life.
yea that's right. Hardwares are very accurate and precise on stereo width but the digital ones sounds like pushing them to the center a little bit, that's the common flaw of plugins. I used to think it's the reason of two hardware's settings are not exactly same (even "the same" there probably bias in circuits exists) but I'm not quite sure about this. I tried this on plugin, split the signal into two channels, load same plugins and applied a little difference and it sounds closer to hardware.
however the plugins are really not that good at creating a tight low end...
@@ordinarymonster1187 Glad you confirmed the same observation. Yes splitting the plugin onto Left and Right channels helps, but not the same spatial effect.
I'm glad that at least the DAW stereo mixbus is not collapsing the image from a hardware print. So i don't think digital is the problem. (whether or not a pure analogue chain is better than a digital mixbus is less a priority than preventing this spatial collapse from plugins).
Regarding tight low end, i think this is less of an issue with EQ, but a clear difference with compression, and i think it is to do with the way the same circuit components handle different frequencies.
I've found that using a high pass sidechain filter on a plugin compressor can bring you closer to that low end heft of hardware, but that's not actually the same thing as being a component induced variation.
100% agree @bontempo! As someone who has tons of hardware, many times software works better. I hate stereo tracks, ones that come out the vst instrument or is given to me in stereo. Normally I split it into mono and make my own stereo track , if needed, by creating or putting it in a space custom for the track. I stopped doing these tests because as obvious it SEEMS to be in solo, often times not so much when you take solo off and play it with the other tracks. Hofa's Blind Test plugin will humble you quickly!!
Bass Overdrive - A = Neve Hardware. If i´m wrong, i would buy the Lindell right now... 😉
Wow, the hardware is so much fatter in the low end on the D&B. Gives instant vibes. The distortion is also interesting. It sound like they put an alias filter in the plugin which takes away the whole experience.
It would be interesting to throw the UAD 1073 to see how it competes with the Lindell.
hi, i seen u around UAD forums, js wanna say hi :P
Amazing, I actually preferred the plugin to the hardware by some margin. The plugin was punchier, more open and had more energy to my ears and just as rich as the hardware. I'm very surprised. Thanks for the comparison.
My go to vocal chain is a Neumann u87 going into a 1073, with a cl1b on the insert...
@noiz. Can you share the setting of the 1073 and CL1B on your vocal chain please.
@@jackc8120 it will always very on vocalist.
The plugin has clipping engaged. The hardware hasn't been driven to clip.
no big difference that Lindell sounds amazing who needs hardware!
B had way, way more high-end harmonic content. Not even close
@@ramspencer5492lol
@@ramspencer5492 Drum en bass no processing AB (A hardware, B plugin)
Dnb processed AB (A hardware, B plugin)
Bass overdrive AB (A plugin B hardware)
Guitar AB (A plugin B hardware)
Vocals AB (A hardware B plugin)
The eq was close, but the overdrive was miles off
So I just wasted a 11 minutes of my life
Me to
How so?
Why does that drum and bass source sound SO GOOD.??
Great as always!🤘
Bro, please reveal the results!
You had the plugin on its default mode (soft clipping), so its quite obvious which is which when you drive the signal... should have set it to hard clipping to match the hardware :(
Dear Thomas, great video's. its almost 2024: what's your favorite/best neve 1073 plugin? UAD still king?
Thanks! I use the UAD version most right now, it’s great!
@@thomasvopstal yes i want that one too. unfortunately i don't own an UAD soundcard and the plugin is not available for purchase as native plugin....
@@tendingtropic7778 it is available in UADx, or is that subscription only?
@@thomasvopstal only as part of the spark subscription indeed....
I click On discord link but don't find the result ....
The channel is called Blindtest-reveals
What incredible times we live in where these inexpensive, and highly attainable tools are available for us to create! Thank you for this video!
DRUM AND BASS PROCESSED I LIKE THE B, WHICH ARE HARDWARE?
YOU MAKE US WASTE OUR TIME
Bro just go for p42 or neve 1073
These tests only get super useful if there is a full mix going.
Revealing the results:
C: Hardware
D: Plug-in
Why is that bass so wide
yeah bro, thank lord that TEAm R2R existis, cuz i'm soo broke. Waves shap 73 and lindell are FIRE.
*the vocal test was completely BUNK! How are you going to take 2 vocal parts and divide per A/B?*
So.. what's the deal with the classic phones in the back.. ?
I turned those into microphones and i sell them! Check out my Will it microphone? Series
@@thomasvopstal NO WAY
Are those the actual settings as displayed with the clips?
dont see results on discord
he's lying
Put a dislike to not give tge result on the video
so here are my thoughts on this (without giving away the secrets) using TV speakers only
Drum en bass no processing (couldn't tell the difference)
Dnb processed (Couldn't really tell the difference)
When I found out the truth, I wasn't surprised at the following
Bass overdrive (neve hardware superior - was fuller, rounder, more 3 dimensional when pushing the real analog circuits)
Guitar (neve hardware superior- can anyone deny neve when it comes to mids that are 3 dimensional?)
Vocals (neve hardware superior - again, with the mids and analog circuits how well they pick up the human voice)
I wouldn't say it was even close for the last 3...it's what you pay for and why it's worth it if you recording analog instruments and the human voice
unless you're listening through a soup can and a piece of string, every example is obvious.
Hi. Does it have the same electronics than the 1073n?
They’re not exactly the same in terms of electronics. The classic neve modules are still being handwired where the 1073n is not. Usually that can mean it doesn’t sound as good. I haven’t had the chance to directly compare the two, so i can’t tell you if that’s the case
B is the Real Neve.
I think B is hardware. the snare sounds more open.
without checking the answer - no discord account - i could bet b is the hardware, based on the first set of files. i like lindell plugins, but the difference is big. across 20 tracks it would make a tremendous difference. the plugin ( if i'm not mistaken) is more bloated, honkier, grainier in the highs, less bright, and not as weighty in the bass. on the other hand, thinking about this description, i think it can all be summed up by bloatware in the low mids - cutting those out would bring forward the low end, and the top, as well. on the other hand, as someone pointed out in the comments, it depends a lot on the oversampling settings. the right oversampling rate would cut exactly that low mid overprojection. and, by the screen graphics, the plugin seemed to have the eq engaged, in the first test, while the hardware module didn't. that also makes a difference.
UA has run out of money for advertising😢
lol
Bas a solid bass b open and lost some sub
Next time choose even crappier takes.
Send me yours🥰
clarito se nota el A es el hardware
BASELINE LOL
blind sucks use ears every time plugins are lacking density and focus always have always will simples
I can’t stand “blind tests”… I’m out
Unsubscribed, I can't be deceived.