Imagine being jealous someone else can speak Spanish especially. It's probably the most common second language in the US. I can get feeling a superiority complex that no one else you meet in person is fluent in Summerian like you are, but Spanish?
Out of The Hat as English being my second language I didn’t have to learn Spanish. However I regret that choice because so many of my coworkers speak Spanish. They mean absolutely no harm but they love to tease me in Spanish. But they are also teaching me a little every day and I love it
@@michaelmorris8302 it's like comparing American English to British English. As long as you speak properly, it's usually not a problem. But it's the slang and pronunciation drift that can cause difficulty in understanding. If you want to have some fun, speak Castilian Spanish here in the USA. You will get some looks.
yeah, plus they could have records of when products/money was lower and if he was working there for 25 years he could have been doing it for a long time.
And they coulda done it by instance. What is a crate worth a grand 2, 3? 3 provable instances of grand larceny? With good evidence of it happening for years... Yeah dude's fed.
Steve didn't only steal product, he was stealing tips and changing hours on the time clock giving himself more hours than he worked. So yea, 6 years sounds about right.
in addition, he stole three crates WHILE RECORDED. that ALONE would likely total to over $500, which would end up being considered Grand Larceny. a felony. quite frankly, he's lucky he only got 6.
Steve "I've been working here for 16 years!" My response: "You're proud of that? All that means is you were never good enough to move up!" Of course I'd probably be fired immediately, but might just be worth it.
I had a shockingly similar situation with a store manager when I worked at a pet shop. One day, my manager went on INCREDIBLY similar rant about how he had worked at the chain for 11 years, and how he was so essential to the company. My shift lead, whom I loved dearly, decided he had enough of it. While leaning back in his chair, and in the most deadpan, monotone way spits back with words dripping with venom, "Congratulations boss, you've wasted 11 years of your life learning about dog food and all you have to show for it is a 2 bedroom apartment that you share with your mother." My jaw hit the fucking floor and me and my other sales associate started laughing so hard we were crying. Our boss tried to write him up for it, and he just said "What if I just don't sign it? You really want to fire the only guy who does trash?" And got off with no consequences. I miss that shift lead. Best kind of no bullshit.
He did a plea deal I'm sure. As soon as his wife was facing charges and his kids would end up possibly in foster care, the guy probably confessed to everything as part of the deal. The other things he was doing such as stealing tips, would have only been brought to light if he admitted to it.
Yes, he definitely took a plea to save his wife from jail time. They were probably charged with fraud, embezzlement, theft, and other charges for operating an organized theft ring since it was them working together to steal company assets. So, 6 years is a light sentence considering they could have gone to prison long enough until they were grandparents.
what he did was a white collar crime , to be frank he got a easy sentencing because you can go to jail up to 30 years depending oh how much money you took and what not, and you would never be able get a good job because its a felony
Adding up to how much he stole over the years and selling stolen property in his wife's store for a personal profit yes you can go to jail for that long.
Don't forget that his wife was also an accomplice. she might have, in exchange for a suspended sentence, testified as to how long they were stealing from the store.
Didn't you say he was embezzling tips and stuff as well and stealing time from the employee's? That could count towards the sentence. Plus who knows how long the theft was going on for, the sentence probably depends on the total cost on how much was stolen.
Can you imagine the exposure to lawsuits from employees (from since he started working there) for lost/stolen wages? The company got off cheap with her "bonus" for finding the theft. They should have given her cash and not store credit.
Exactly. The Embezzling charge is a higher crime than small larceny. However, in this case the larceny probably wasn't all that small. They would have gone back and analyzed the stores numbers as far back as they could and prove a pattern. Once that pattern was established they can then estimate a range of stolen property. I'm guessing that wasn't a small amount if they could show he'd been doing this for a long time. With both such charges 6 years is awfully lenient. But that's Seattle. We're that to happen in Texas Steve would be missing a lot more birthdays!
Steve also was stealing from employees and the store by padding his hours and shorting theirs. He also stole tips. But yes, once he defrauded the company that way it went above and beyond and got him the longer sentence.
When a person has a lifestyle of mistreating others, the person probably respects the law as much as they respect basic ethics. A person who routinely mistreats multiple people is very likely to be committing crimes, and not trying very hard to hide that fact. They feel entitled and invulnerable, and may be easy to catch. So when a co-worker or supervisor is being an Adam-Henry to everyone, first look for what crimes they are committing.
If he stole that stuff for years and they had some proof that much of the "shrinkage" was caused by him, it adds up to grand theft. He is lucky he only got 6 years.
With all the crimes Steve committed, “Embezzlement, Fraud, Theft and amongst other serious crimes.” He’s lucky he only got 6 years. He should have gotten at least 10 to 20 years. What he did were serious federal charges.
I'm not a lawyer but my guess with the last story about the coffee theft is that it was two thing. A: The amount of the item taken probably totalled the amount that put it in grand larceny territory and B: Seeing that his wife had taken the stolen goods and resold them as "their own" bought/made items for profit. I can totally understand the six year sentence and what the wife got.
@@gingerjohnson1095 The OP said that he worded it in such a way that it wasn't possible to really prove that he meant anything sexual, and it could be interpreted as "working the hours I say you should work".
To answer your question about Steve: adding to the stealing are the charges of employee fraud. I managed 2 bookstores. Both state and feds have very serious laws concerning tampering with employee checks, time cards etc. This is actually thanks to the unions in the 20's and 30's. The history is pretty interesting.
He was also stealing tips. If I remember correctly that is one count of theft from EVERY employee. That sort of thing adds up, even if there isn’t a mandatory sentence. If there is, wow. 6 years was probably a plea deal.
I think that's a comparatively light sentence, since Steve was also taking other employees' tips and shorting their hours to give himself more on top of stealing supplies meant for the store.
Best pro revenge ever! The mother of all workplace revenge. What OP did was genius, absolutely genius! OP not only exposed the boss as a thief, but that same shitty boss ended up looking like a complete idiot right in front of his boss, and the entire bigwigs! Priceless!!!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
He probably should have gotten MORE time. If he was stealing tips, changing other people's hours, and adding hours to his own check, that is theft of time and money, otherwise known as embezzlement! He totally deserved to get more than six years!!!
OP did the exact right thing! Haha. What a way to do it! I hope that the guy stealing the stuff can never get a job again where he has anywhere close to a chance to get any power in the company, enabling him to do such things again.
OP was brilliant, thinking of all eventualities and masterfully dodged every bullet. Can't feel bad for the rude and arrogant shift supervisor who was stealing and blaming the loss on the employees - real piece of work. I do feel bad for the baristas who were being cheated on their tips and pressured into sexual favors with their supervisor. Some people are just nasty. 5 stars for OP.
Embezzlement and messing with the time clocks were probably what got him in serious trouble. Imagine an employee having a legitimate work accident, but everything is all messed up because that guy made it look like that employee wasn't there on the clock. I also wouldn't be surprised if there was a long history of minor charges and probation prior to this case.
When it comes to sentencing (and I'm no judge, cop, lawyer, etc), you can get multiple charges for various aspects of the crime and sentences for each of those add up. Things like theft, attempted theft, conspiracy to (whatever), embezzlement, and so on.
it wasnt the stealing the coffee and the muffins that got Steve 6 years it was embezzling which can get you put away for even longer dependent on how much you steal.
It doesn’t just matter what was stolen. The value of what was stolen also matters. Also, if the assistant to the manager was a repeat offender. Usually, a first time felony theft will land you 2-3 years, so it seems likely that he either stole a LOT (he had worked there 20 years), he was a repeat offender, or there were multiple charges.
The best part of this revenge imo, Eliza didn't get screwed over too. OP helped her get the promotion that she might not have gotten because of his thievery.
It is DEFINITELY a possibility: I think jail time is reasonable even: My reasoning being 1) how long was he doing this? If you total the number of crates for for even just the past few years it’s no longer petty theft. 2) I’m not sure if it’s Federal or not but not paying employees is up there in the illegal department , and again who knows how long he was doing it.
Personally, I'd keep him on while keeping a constant eye on him and garnishing his wages by 20-30% to pay for the stolen product. Make him do while literally every shit task I could.
If the story is true, it wouldn't be surprising if corporate went back through any records they could find and charged him with more than just the three counts of theft. Obviously they did some sort of deeper investigation as they found he was stealing tips and time from other workers.
If they could prove that Steve had stole & embezzled an amount that would be considered a felony then yes he could end up in prison that long especially if he had previous arrests!
Depends on the monetary value of the stolen goods. Under a certain amount its a misdameaner over said amount its a felony so six years seams reasonable if it was charged as a felony.
He had been stealing from the company for a long time, so I think that's part of what added so many years. Plus, there's the embezzlement on top of stealing, and I think we can safely assume he's been doing that for a really long time as well. Especially if he's been at that place over 20 years.
Incase you're interested: YES, you can go to jail for that long depending on the company. take a look at Wally mart you get caught stealing a $0.02 whatzit, it could cost you 6 months in jail and a $250k fine plus a lifetime ban
The video exposes something that is rarely acknowledged: supervisors who do a poor job of supervising. I'll lay that fault on upper management. I've been involved in businesses from around 1960 to about 2001, as employee, assistant mgr., department manager, and business owner. I was a good employee and assistant but there was no real training or supervision of me after I was promoted to manager. I, and most of the managers I knew, didn't receive good training and supervision to be good at our jobs. Companies tend to train the lowest level workers but most (in my experience) don't do a good job training and supervising their lower level managers. The best companies do a good job; it's how they become the best companies.
It is possible that there was evidence of tax evasion if they could prove how long they had the side business. The prosecutor would have probably looked into this to tack on related charges.
Damn she went into full X Games mode just get "Steve" fired😂😂I love it. I don't think I'd have the balls to do something like that but I'd definitely tell the store manager 🤣🤣🤣 But she went and said fuck it, like if she gonna quit soon she finna go out with bang😂😂I will forever applaud her for doing that the way she did. 👏👏👏👏👏👏
Over twenty years Steve probably stole about 5 times per week. Assuming each box was worth $100, that's $500 per week x 50 weeks a year. $25 K times 20 years is $500,000. Not including stolen tips. So yeah, 6 years for a half million is probably a good sentence.
OP’s a Genius! And Steve’s theft of store products seems minor compared to his embezzlement which holds the penalty of up to 10 years in prison and $15,000 minimum in fines for Embezzling $50,000 or less. Can’t believe his wife served no prison time for her part in store theft.
OP should have given Eliza a heads-up. That was a horrible way 9f exposing gim. Took the attention away from Eliza and her promotion. Threw her under the bus too.
The question isn't if the six years was excessive jail time. The question should be, how many if those twenty years was he doing it? Who knows what fell out of the investigation! Great story!
OP said that Steve was also found to be embezzling money AND altering time worked for employees. Theft of product over $300 in value is a felony, embezzling is a felony, and altering the timecards is a felony. They probably had dozens, maybe hundreds of counts on Steve - which is why he'd be sent away for six years.
Another reason not to drink coffee....LOL Yes, I don't drink coffee so "Steve" didn't help my boss any. I've worked for people like "Steve". They are creepy and spiteful. Great Job!
Depending on HOW MUCH he embezzled along with the stealing of food, tampering with the time clock and getting more hours for himself....... he could have gotten a lot longer.
It's not excessive because the stuff coffee shops pays for adds up. And he has been there so long- it probably amounted to a LOT of money. When I worked at Panera we had chocolate chip marshmallows that were like 1-2$ a marshmallow!
Laws are somewhat draconian in the US. Six years for embezzlement, wage theft, and felony theft isn't unreasonable. In fact, it sounds like he took a plea. When he got out, I get he had a devil of a time getting a job.
Steve was lucky he only got 6 years. On top of all the theft, his biggest offence? Altering the time clock of himself and others, that's a MAJOR no-no.
Steve going to jail for 6 years it makes sense. Essentially stole for possibly several years and no one knew. He also tampered with chips and hours to make sure he had more money. Either way that 6 years was a slap on the wrist compared to what it could be for the maximum anyway
It wasn’t just granola bars, coffee and desserts. It said he was embezzling money from the company stealing tips and committing fraud by changing people hours to less to give himself more. He worked there for 20 years so the amount of money he stole from not only the company but from fellow coworkers was probably in the hundred thousand ball park.
Steve could definitely go to jail for that long (6 yrs). Upon investigation, he probably admitted to what wasn't caught on video and totaled tens of thousands of dollars. Six years was probably a reduced sentence. Surely his crime was a felony.
Where I live you can get up to 20 years for embezzlement, depending on how much you actually stole and the circumstances behind it. Not only was he stealing product, but he was reselling it to make a personal profit. His company could've been sued for this because the product was being sold in a manner outside of their contact with the supplier. He got off pretty easy, probably because he didn't have a criminal history.
Each instance of falsifying the time sheets is two counts of theft. One for lowering the amount of time worked by employees and one for raising the amount of time he supposedly worked. Each employee he did this too has cause to sue him in civil court, I believe. Additionally, each time he stole produce was a separate offense.
Why are you surprised by Steve’s 6 year sentence? The dude was stealing large quantities of product for years possibly. He probably got slapped with Grand Larceny, embezzlement, and possibly fraud. That ain’t no joke my man.
Tampering with time keeping machines is a big No-No. Tampering with wages & tips and stealing products most likely met & exceeded the $5k threshold between petty and grand larceny which may explain why he got 6 years instead of something shorter or suspended. Also, it sounds like the corporation pressed criminal charges and didn't consider any type of plea that could reduce his sentence. I don't doubt that they wanted to send a message to anyone else considering stealing from them, imo 🙂 I'm glad E got the promotion 🌺
About the jail sentence on the last story, it was probably charged as Commercial Burglary, which carries a felony charge and a 6-10 year sentence, depending on the state.
I can imagine the reason the prison sentence was so long was that they totaled up how much product went missing over the years when Steve was on duty & assumed it was stolen thus prosecuted him for that amount. If we assume every week he stole a $50.00 case of product that's $2600.00 a year, that's as much as a used car. It's not hard to pin the majority of missing product on him after being caught over the years he worked & then charge him with that.
It's not just theft. It's theft in a position of trust plus embezzlement. The theft being a pattern not being a one off will usually make a difference too.
Yeah. A manager who constantly mentions how long they've been with the company is a HUGE red flag for me. Like, one of the big ones. If you have to tell your people how long you've been with the company THAT MUCH, its because youve either failed to give them a reason to believe in your leadership, or you have a severe inferiority complex. Or in Steves case, youre using seniority to get others to take the heat for your bullshit. On top of BOTH the previous
So, I could understand the thought of "six years is a bit much", but, theft is theft whichever way you look at it, and this guy has obviously been doin it for years before he got caught. Second, I'm not sure about Seattle's laws towards it, but it's definitely a way bigger deal than shoplifting where I'm from especially if you're takin away at least over $100 every day
21:14 This had been happening for years, and with about 3 creates stolen every 4 days, that’s a LOT of product missing. Just one year is about 274 crates, which I’d assume is usually over $50 or $100.
The 6 years for Steve wasn’t about stealing the food. It was for embezzling tips and tampering with time. Crimes directly related to money come with very stiff penalties.
It was at least Grand Theft larceny, easily a six to ten years bid as a felony, then the embezzlement as a separate charge 10 to 15...plus potentially federal charges for tampering with the time clock changes...
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Imagine being jealous at a co-worker because she can speak the same language you think only you can speak.
Imagine being jealous someone else can speak Spanish especially. It's probably the most common second language in the US. I can get feeling a superiority complex that no one else you meet in person is fluent in Summerian like you are, but Spanish?
Out of The Hat as English being my second language I didn’t have to learn Spanish. However I regret that choice because so many of my coworkers speak Spanish. They mean absolutely no harm but they love to tease me in Spanish. But they are also teaching me a little every day and I love it
@@BankruptMonkey depending upon the Spanish I'm sure Mexican Spanish isn't the same as European Spanish so I'm questioning parts of the story
@@michaelmorris8302 it's like comparing American English to British English. As long as you speak properly, it's usually not a problem. But it's the slang and pronunciation drift that can cause difficulty in understanding. If you want to have some fun, speak Castilian Spanish here in the USA. You will get some looks.
@Mamothdinolover 112 American don’t use the word ‘crisps’ as a noun.
With an embezzlement charge as well as a charge for stealing, 6 years doesn't sound that out there.
Exactly. The theft might have gotten him a year, but the full-on wage embezzlement charge is like 5-10.
yeah, plus they could have records of when products/money was lower and if he was working there for 25 years he could have been doing it for a long time.
And they coulda done it by instance. What is a crate worth a grand 2, 3? 3 provable instances of grand larceny? With good evidence of it happening for years... Yeah dude's fed.
Honestly I'm pretty surprised he only got 6 years, but my guess is there was lacking evidence to push it more.
@@LaBlancRose yeah, only a few videos, accusing him of months or years of theft could be called hearsay based on coincidence or something.
Steve didn't only steal product, he was stealing tips and changing hours on the time clock giving himself more hours than he worked. So yea, 6 years sounds about right.
Yes, definitely a long sentence just because he is a greedy man.
And stealing from a 3rd party for the granola bars
Wage theft is kind of a big deal; each of the employees is a separate victim
in addition, he stole three crates WHILE RECORDED. that ALONE would likely total to over $500, which would end up being considered Grand Larceny. a felony. quite frankly, he's lucky he only got 6.
3 times a week for how long? 20 years? Plus tip and wages.. 6 year might be low but you have to have evidence
Steve "I've been working here for 16 years!"
My response: "You're proud of that? All that means is you were never good enough to move up!"
Of course I'd probably be fired immediately, but might just be worth it.
I had a shockingly similar situation with a store manager when I worked at a pet shop. One day, my manager went on INCREDIBLY similar rant about how he had worked at the chain for 11 years, and how he was so essential to the company.
My shift lead, whom I loved dearly, decided he had enough of it. While leaning back in his chair, and in the most deadpan, monotone way spits back with words dripping with venom, "Congratulations boss, you've wasted 11 years of your life learning about dog food and all you have to show for it is a 2 bedroom apartment that you share with your mother."
My jaw hit the fucking floor and me and my other sales associate started laughing so hard we were crying. Our boss tried to write him up for it, and he just said "What if I just don't sign it? You really want to fire the only guy who does trash?" And got off with no consequences.
I miss that shift lead. Best kind of no bullshit.
@@faffledude That's fucking awesome!
Idk man I had a coworker threaten me over me telling him that the slice of pizza had been in the oven for too long
I actually said that to my supervisor and got fired. Totally worth it, had another job lined up (theater performance role).
Actually he worked there since he was 16 for 25 years. That adds up to a lot of pastries. God knows how long he’s been stealing and embezzling.
OK, replacing the original video with a copy of the evidence, that was a stroke of genius and I love it.
she was a computing student afterall
@Mamothdinolover 112 She seems like the kind of person to think these things through, so I'd like to think she thought to do that.
6 years probably was good, because think about it he's been there for 25 years who knows how long he had been stealing the stuff
@@rileyross1602 Not to mention he was tampering with time cards as well. 6 years may not be enough time.
I would have done that too... It's a hacking thing 😉
You forgot to add fraud to Steve’s charges, tampering with company property, six years is a lite sentence.
He did a plea deal I'm sure. As soon as his wife was facing charges and his kids would end up possibly in foster care, the guy probably confessed to everything as part of the deal. The other things he was doing such as stealing tips, would have only been brought to light if he admitted to it.
@@superdave8248 I agree with you. He may have taken the plea deal.
Yes, he definitely took a plea to save his wife from jail time. They were probably charged with fraud, embezzlement, theft, and other charges for operating an organized theft ring since it was them working together to steal company assets. So, 6 years is a light sentence considering they could have gone to prison long enough until they were grandparents.
@@patrickurquidez4693 I agree with you completely, plea deal and reduced sentence, it sounds like Steve fell on his own sword for his wife and kids.
Not to mention he was probably doing this for most of the 25 years he was there. At a certain point I'm sure it hits grand larceny.
what he did was a white collar crime , to be frank he got a easy sentencing because you can go to jail up to 30 years depending oh how much money you took and what not, and you would never be able get a good job because its a felony
It wasn't just theft, there was fraud and embezzlement on top of that, which are much harsher sentences
also, depending on how long he was doing it, he probably stole a large amount of product.
@@rishabhanand4973 Exactly my thought, some prosecutors will add the total value of stolen product if it came from the same source
I was LAUGHING my ass off when she said she REPLACED the propaganda video instead of just telling her manager 💀💀💀💀💀 genius
Adding up to how much he stole over the years and selling stolen property in his wife's store for a personal profit yes you can go to jail for that long.
I got $200!...... of store credit... 😂
That's like winning $2 in the lotery.
Well it’s pretty good when it’s a coffee shop, if your a avid coffee drinker it’s legit just 200 bucks of free coffee and snacks
That's cheap .. How about $200 cash
Yeah! He can get like 4 cups of coffee!
To be fair, OP WAS a college student. That $200 in store credit is like liquid gold for a tired college student needing to study late into the night
Fluff, if I had to guess the length of the prison sentence, has more to do with amount stolen(in value & volume) and how long he had been doing it.
Don't forget that his wife was also an accomplice. she might have, in exchange for a suspended sentence, testified as to how long they were stealing from the store.
i think im in love with the girl who wrote this story. the dramatics, the effort
Didn't you say he was embezzling tips and stuff as well and stealing time from the employee's? That could count towards the sentence. Plus who knows how long the theft was going on for, the sentence probably depends on the total cost on how much was stolen.
Can you imagine the exposure to lawsuits from employees (from since he started working there) for lost/stolen wages? The company got off cheap with her "bonus" for finding the theft. They should have given her cash and not store credit.
Yes. Tampering with the time clocks like he did is technically fraud committed on his co-workers. That alone could have gotten him 10+ years.
Exactly. The Embezzling charge is a higher crime than small larceny. However, in this case the larceny probably wasn't all that small. They would have gone back and analyzed the stores numbers as far back as they could and prove a pattern. Once that pattern was established they can then estimate a range of stolen property. I'm guessing that wasn't a small amount if they could show he'd been doing this for a long time.
With both such charges 6 years is awfully lenient. But that's Seattle. We're that to happen in Texas Steve would be missing a lot more birthdays!
Steve also was stealing from employees and the store by padding his hours and shorting theirs. He also stole tips. But yes, once he defrauded the company that way it went above and beyond and got him the longer sentence.
Steve: “Well as Assistant Manager...”
Jim Halpert: “Assistant TO the Manager.”
theft from your employer is embezzlement. That can get you up to 30 years
Yeah I'm thinking the thief got off easy.
Yo is this story in Seattle that's AWESOME
It's a name joke, probably not actually in Seattle. Unless it's a joke and I'm dumb and it whooshed me.
F Seattle
It was Starbuck before it became national brand
Nah, it's a name joke for Starbucks. My mom used to work at one and it was terrible for her
@@Wi-Fi-El There is also a brand called Seattle's Best or something like that. But yeah, probably Starbucks.
When a person has a lifestyle of mistreating others, the person probably respects the law as much as they respect basic ethics. A person who routinely mistreats multiple people is very likely to be committing crimes, and not trying very hard to hide that fact. They feel entitled and invulnerable, and may be easy to catch. So when a co-worker or supervisor is being an Adam-Henry to everyone, first look for what crimes they are committing.
If he stole that stuff for years and they had some proof that much of the "shrinkage" was caused by him, it adds up to grand theft. He is lucky he only got 6 years.
Embezzling is a big thing. You can get longer depending on how much money you steel
Don’t forget that he was convicted of embezzling too. THAT is a serious crime.
With all the crimes Steve committed, “Embezzlement, Fraud, Theft and amongst other serious crimes.” He’s lucky he only got 6 years. He should have gotten at least 10 to 20 years. What he did were serious federal charges.
I'm not a lawyer but my guess with the last story about the coffee theft is that it was two thing. A: The amount of the item taken probably totalled the amount that put it in grand larceny territory and B: Seeing that his wife had taken the stolen goods and resold them as "their own" bought/made items for profit. I can totally understand the six year sentence and what the wife got.
Well he did get 6yrs for the following
•stealing company property
•tampering with worker hours(clockin/outtimes)
•1more thing that u forgot
Don't forget the sexual harassment...
@@gingerjohnson1095 that too i guess
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@gingerjohnson1095 The OP said that he worded it in such a way that it wasn't possible to really prove that he meant anything sexual, and it could be interpreted as "working the hours I say you should work".
To answer your question about Steve: adding to the stealing are the charges of employee fraud. I managed 2 bookstores. Both state and feds have very serious laws concerning tampering with employee checks, time cards etc. This is actually thanks to the unions in the 20's and 30's. The history is pretty interesting.
He was also stealing tips. If I remember correctly that is one count of theft from EVERY employee. That sort of thing adds up, even if there isn’t a mandatory sentence. If there is, wow. 6 years was probably a plea deal.
I think that's a comparatively light sentence, since Steve was also taking other employees' tips and shorting their hours to give himself more on top of stealing supplies meant for the store.
Steve was also embezzling money and messing with others’ tine cards so it wasn’t just about the edible items. OP is a genius!
Best pro revenge ever! The mother of all workplace revenge. What OP did was genius, absolutely genius! OP not only exposed the boss as a thief, but that same shitty boss ended up looking like a complete idiot right in front of his boss, and the entire bigwigs! Priceless!!!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
this was one of the best stories yet, I LOVED the part at the end about the conversation over "Seattle's Finest"
He probably should have gotten MORE time. If he was stealing tips, changing other people's hours, and adding hours to his own check, that is theft of time and money, otherwise known as embezzlement!
He totally deserved to get more than six years!!!
OP did the exact right thing! Haha. What a way to do it! I hope that the guy stealing the stuff can never get a job again where he has anywhere close to a chance to get any power in the company, enabling him to do such things again.
OP was brilliant, thinking of all eventualities and masterfully dodged every bullet. Can't feel bad for the rude and arrogant shift supervisor who was stealing and blaming the loss on the employees - real piece of work. I do feel bad for the baristas who were being cheated on their tips and pressured into sexual favors with their supervisor. Some people are just nasty. 5 stars for OP.
Embezzlement and messing with the time clocks were probably what got him in serious trouble. Imagine an employee having a legitimate work accident, but everything is all messed up because that guy made it look like that employee wasn't there on the clock. I also wouldn't be surprised if there was a long history of minor charges and probation prior to this case.
That last story yes he is actually lucky he didn't get longer. Embezzlement is no joke.
When it comes to sentencing (and I'm no judge, cop, lawyer, etc), you can get multiple charges for various aspects of the crime and sentences for each of those add up. Things like theft, attempted theft, conspiracy to (whatever), embezzlement, and so on.
it wasnt the stealing the coffee and the muffins that got Steve 6 years it was embezzling which can get you put away for even longer dependent on how much you steal.
Don't forget that "embezzlement" is a crime in itself so Steve is lucky that he didn't get more time than the six years.
It doesn’t just matter what was stolen. The value of what was stolen also matters. Also, if the assistant to the manager was a repeat offender. Usually, a first time felony theft will land you 2-3 years, so it seems likely that he either stole a LOT (he had worked there 20 years), he was a repeat offender, or there were multiple charges.
The best part of this revenge imo, Eliza didn't get screwed over too. OP helped her get the promotion that she might not have gotten because of his thievery.
It is DEFINITELY a possibility:
I think jail time is reasonable even:
My reasoning being
1) how long was he doing this? If you total the number of crates for for even just the past few years it’s no longer petty theft.
2) I’m not sure if it’s Federal or not but not paying employees is up there in the illegal department , and again who knows how long he was doing it.
Personally, I'd keep him on while keeping a constant eye on him and garnishing his wages by 20-30% to pay for the stolen product. Make him do while literally every shit task I could.
Doctoring employee hours would be a federal crime, plus the embezzlement he could definitely get sentenced years.
If the story is true, it wouldn't be surprising if corporate went back through any records they could find and charged him with more than just the three counts of theft. Obviously they did some sort of deeper investigation as they found he was stealing tips and time from other workers.
If they could prove that Steve had stole & embezzled an amount that would be considered a felony then yes he could end up in prison that long especially if he had previous arrests!
Depends on the monetary value of the stolen goods. Under a certain amount its a misdameaner over said amount its a felony so six years seams reasonable if it was charged as a felony.
Love Steve talking about coffee like it's water in how "essential" it is 😂
He had been stealing from the company for a long time, so I think that's part of what added so many years. Plus, there's the embezzlement on top of stealing, and I think we can safely assume he's been doing that for a really long time as well. Especially if he's been at that place over 20 years.
I needed this. Have a fellow supervisor mocking me in front of customers and it's refreshing to hear the just-desserts of a vaguely similar situation.
Anyone who has to "put you down" to "get up higher" is always lower than you in the first place and always will be.
Incase you're interested: YES, you can go to jail for that long depending on the company. take a look at Wally mart you get caught stealing a $0.02 whatzit, it could cost you 6 months in jail and a $250k fine plus a lifetime ban
The video exposes something that is rarely acknowledged: supervisors who do a poor job of supervising. I'll lay that fault on upper management. I've been involved in businesses from around 1960 to about 2001, as employee, assistant mgr., department manager, and business owner. I was a good employee and assistant but there was no real training or supervision of me after I was promoted to manager. I, and most of the managers I knew, didn't receive good training and supervision to be good at our jobs.
Companies tend to train the lowest level workers but most (in my experience) don't do a good job training and supervising their lower level managers. The best companies do a good job; it's how they become the best companies.
It is possible that there was evidence of tax evasion if they could prove how long they had the side business. The prosecutor would have probably looked into this to tack on related charges.
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Op should have went directly to the manager. This could have cost Eliza not only her promotion, but her job altogether.
Damn she went into full X Games mode just get "Steve" fired😂😂I love it. I don't think I'd have the balls to do something like that but I'd definitely tell the store manager 🤣🤣🤣 But she went and said fuck it, like if she gonna quit soon she finna go out with bang😂😂I will forever applaud her for doing that the way she did. 👏👏👏👏👏👏
I'm surprised he didn't get more! It wasn't just the theft of the crates but embezzlement as well!
That beer looks hella good cuz of quarantine
Over twenty years Steve probably stole about 5 times per week. Assuming each box was worth $100, that's $500 per week x 50 weeks a year. $25 K times 20 years is $500,000.
Not including stolen tips. So yeah, 6 years for a half million is probably a good sentence.
stealing that much product for god knows how long is probably grand larceny, which is a felony
OP’s a Genius! And Steve’s theft of store products seems minor compared to his embezzlement which holds the penalty of up to 10 years in prison and $15,000 minimum in fines for Embezzling $50,000 or less. Can’t believe his wife served no prison time for her part in store theft.
OP should have given Eliza a heads-up. That was a horrible way 9f exposing gim. Took the attention away from Eliza and her promotion. Threw her under the bus too.
"Everyone needs coffee" um...steve...you know most offices have their own coffee machines right?
The question isn't if the six years was excessive jail time. The question should be, how many if those twenty years was he doing it? Who knows what fell out of the investigation!
Great story!
I'm so horrible. I just adore the revenge stories makes me feel warm and fuzzy.
OP said that Steve was also found to be embezzling money AND altering time worked for employees. Theft of product over $300 in value is a felony, embezzling is a felony, and altering the timecards is a felony. They probably had dozens, maybe hundreds of counts on Steve - which is why he'd be sent away for six years.
Steve messed with the I.T. girl. Big mistake.
Another reason not to drink coffee....LOL Yes, I don't drink coffee so "Steve" didn't help my boss any. I've worked for people like "Steve". They are creepy and spiteful. Great Job!
Depending on HOW MUCH he embezzled along with the stealing of food, tampering with the time clock and getting more hours for himself....... he could have gotten a lot longer.
It's not excessive because the stuff coffee shops pays for adds up. And he has been there so long- it probably amounted to a LOT of money. When I worked at Panera we had chocolate chip marshmallows that were like 1-2$ a marshmallow!
Laws are somewhat draconian in the US. Six years for embezzlement, wage theft, and felony theft isn't unreasonable. In fact, it sounds like he took a plea. When he got out, I get he had a devil of a time getting a job.
embezzlement and stealing... 6 years does not sound so far off actually...
It was the embezzlement that got him jailed for that long.
Steve was lucky he only got 6 years. On top of all the theft, his biggest offence? Altering the time clock of himself and others, that's a MAJOR no-no.
Adding embezzlement with the theft considering how long he was doing this it fits the prison time perfectly
Steve was also embezzling money from the store and messing with how the tips were split up.
Steve going to jail for 6 years it makes sense. Essentially stole for possibly several years and no one knew. He also tampered with chips and hours to make sure he had more money. Either way that 6 years was a slap on the wrist compared to what it could be for the maximum anyway
With embezzlement and time card fraud on top of the theft, I'd say he go off pretty easy.
It wasn’t just granola bars, coffee and desserts. It said he was embezzling money from the company stealing tips and committing fraud by changing people hours to less to give himself more. He worked there for 20 years so the amount of money he stole from not only the company but from fellow coworkers was probably in the hundred thousand ball park.
Crazy how "Seattle's Finest" is an actual store 😏
Steve could definitely go to jail for that long (6 yrs). Upon investigation, he probably admitted to what wasn't caught on video and totaled tens of thousands of dollars. Six years was probably a reduced sentence. Surely his crime was a felony.
Remember Steve had been stealing for quite a while. The loss was a huge monetary one. Probably thousands.
Where I live you can get up to 20 years for embezzlement, depending on how much you actually stole and the circumstances behind it. Not only was he stealing product, but he was reselling it to make a personal profit. His company could've been sued for this because the product was being sold in a manner outside of their contact with the supplier. He got off pretty easy, probably because he didn't have a criminal history.
Don’t forget he also embezzled tips and messed with the time clock!
most states' theft from an employer is embezzlement.
Each instance of falsifying the time sheets is two counts of theft. One for lowering the amount of time worked by employees and one for raising the amount of time he supposedly worked. Each employee he did this too has cause to sue him in civil court, I believe. Additionally, each time he stole produce was a separate offense.
Why are you surprised by Steve’s 6 year sentence? The dude was stealing large quantities of product for years possibly. He probably got slapped with Grand Larceny, embezzlement, and possibly fraud. That ain’t no joke my man.
Tampering with time keeping machines is a big No-No. Tampering with wages & tips and stealing products most likely met & exceeded the $5k threshold between petty and grand larceny which may explain why he got 6 years instead of something shorter or suspended.
Also, it sounds like the corporation pressed criminal charges and didn't consider any type of plea that could reduce his sentence. I don't doubt that they wanted to send a message to anyone else considering stealing from them, imo 🙂
I'm glad E got the promotion 🌺
About the jail sentence on the last story, it was probably charged as Commercial Burglary, which carries a felony charge and a 6-10 year sentence, depending on the state.
I can imagine the reason the prison sentence was so long was that they totaled up how much product went missing over the years when Steve was on duty & assumed it was stolen thus prosecuted him for that amount. If we assume every week he stole a $50.00 case of product that's $2600.00 a year, that's as much as a used car. It's not hard to pin the majority of missing product on him after being caught over the years he worked & then charge him with that.
6 years is small for grand theft, if they can prove the property stolen was over about $400. in value.
It's not just theft. It's theft in a position of trust plus embezzlement. The theft being a pattern not being a one off will usually make a difference too.
Yeah. A manager who constantly mentions how long they've been with the company is a HUGE red flag for me. Like, one of the big ones. If you have to tell your people how long you've been with the company THAT MUCH, its because youve either failed to give them a reason to believe in your leadership, or you have a severe inferiority complex.
Or in Steves case, youre using seniority to get others to take the heat for your bullshit. On top of BOTH the previous
14:39 No workers were injured or tested on during the making of this product. 😂
20:54 oh Steve, that's the kind of name you give your child who you know is gonna get in to trouble or do something stupid.
Dude
So, I could understand the thought of "six years is a bit much", but, theft is theft whichever way you look at it, and this guy has obviously been doin it for years before he got caught.
Second, I'm not sure about Seattle's laws towards it, but it's definitely a way bigger deal than shoplifting where I'm from especially if you're takin away at least over $100 every day
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This had been happening for years, and with about 3 creates stolen every 4 days, that’s a LOT of product missing. Just one year is about 274 crates, which I’d assume is usually over $50 or $100.
The 6 years for Steve wasn’t about stealing the food. It was for embezzling tips and tampering with time. Crimes directly related to money come with very stiff penalties.
It was at least Grand Theft larceny, easily a six to ten years bid as a felony, then the embezzlement as a separate charge 10 to 15...plus potentially federal charges for tampering with the time clock changes...