The most successful scammers I've ever encountered hide behind confusion, silence, fake corrections, and 'oh, I must have made a mistake...' (One CPA in California submitted three completely different sets of books for the same time period, and they were still hiding expenses we knew about. The board that regulates corporations and the one for CPAs never even responded. An LAPD sergeant I knew said, "They put the office in Santa Monica instead of Los Angeles to hide the fraud. I know fraud detectives, they'd jump on this. Santa Monica isn't big enough to have the detectives who can handle this." (Hopefully they do now.) Some fraud is just addicts stealing. They get caught, confess. Major fraud, like stealing houses is the action of intelligent rational people. Harsh sentences aren't a deterrent? To a stupid kid with a gun, no, but to these people it's part of the calculation. If this woman is doing this here, she's done this stuff many times, or she's the front. Give her a long sentence and this crime will vanish. I once mentioned to a friend that I thought that 10 to 15% of the people in Beverly Hills probably made their money fraudulently, not just cheating on their taxes. She snorted, "Ha. I grew up in Beverly Hills, I know Beverly Hills - it's at least a third."
Fraudulently taking possession of a house, putting it in a trust, and asking what law did she break/what crime did she commit has sovcit written all over it.
The guy on the phone deserves more scrutiny. If he is a lawyer, then his professional credentials need checking/possibly revoking. In any case he needs investigating as a possible accomplice
Sounds to me like the guy who answered the phone saying he was her lawyer, which I doubt, would obviously know what law she broke. Sounds to me like he’s a co-conspirator and should also be charged.
He's probably a shady probate lawyer hired to manage her inheritance. She probably inherited a trust fund when a relative died and she's not being kept in the loop about the status of the assets in the trust.
Not all HOAs are awful, you just hear about the bad ones. Our friend is chairperson of their HOA, which exists mainly to keep two acres of lawn mowed, one sidewalk clear of snow, and to throw an ice cream social every spring. They meet twice a year, and that's all they do. On paper they are supposed to do a handful of other things, but nobody complains and they don't bother.
@@jbmcb Yes, you hear about the horrible ones more often. And, any HOA is just a couple bad elections away from being awful, but it really depends on how active the owners are in terms of ensuring that it's not a bunch of jerks on the board behaving badly. Keep in mind when these stories of abuse are covered, those people on the board were elected, which means that the people in the covered homes were either supportive of it or ignorant of what the people on the board were going to do.
@@SmallSpoonBrigade Actually no. The HOA deed of our house states that only residence of one of the properties can take seat on the board and cannot be transferred to a HOA management company. The stories you hear about HOA are pretty much always regarding for-profit HOA organizations, that do the management for free. The make their money with the fines they issue. But then again, in our street, we have three lawyers and one notary that make sure nothing weird happens. Little side note: Our HOA only covers 15 homes on a small branch on a state road. It duties are clearly documented in the deeds of the homes and cannot be extended. Our realter told us this was one of the best HOA documents she ever saw.
Funny how the law treats fraud against individuals as "civil midsdemeanors" but the SAME fraud against a bank as a "criminal felony!" Our property in Mexico required the SELLER to go to the property office and personally IDENTIFY themselves and SIGN the transfer documents BEFORE we could transfer the deed.
They are slowly reducing the rate of service while collecting more and more taxes and they hope you won't notice. Corporations are doing the same things with goods and services. This, along with being unable to control our own borders, are to me the main indicators that we are in the "looting" phase of a falling empire.
Easy: If you do it against a person, the person's on the hook for the cost of what you did. If you do it to a bank, the government ends up on the hook for the cost of what you did. It's not right, but that's the reason.
This is such BS. The idea that they are just a repository, but it costs him $8,000+ to fix this issue. It's obviously more than a repository. There needs to be some acceptance criteria..
Yes they're only a repository... Like Steve said in the previous video that they could get 100-700 pieces to file on any given day or week. It's not the clerk's job to investigate each & every one. If you find out there's been fraud committed then you as a private citizen is responsible. Yes it can be so costly that it may be worthless to file on a single acre or a home that's worth $25k. But this is from the lawyer's cost to hire. And if found to be fraud then you can try to get milk from a dead cow, take a deduction on your taxes & a few other remedy's allowed by law. Also everyone is so quick to hire a lawyer.... You can file lots of things by yourself nowadays because most states have portals for "Self-help legal work". I did it myself when I was applying for disability, but owed child support & other stuff. Depends on how much you value your time. And how much that over paid lawyer says he'll cost(no, not all lawyers are over paid! Some are quite reasonable.)...
Fee shifting statute would fix a lot of that. Something along the lines of: "any documents determined by the court to be to not have any legal basis will incur the legal cost of defending after judgement." Then they just need to get a copy of the ID of whoever is filing it with the court.
@@bacterrhea2082 Only in the U.S. do you have to pay your own legal fees in court when you did nothing wrong. Fee shifting to the losing party should be the standard _and_ if the government is ultimately the losing party then it should come with physical punishments for everyone involved in the wrongdoing that took place.
The only way that's going to happen is if judges start holding the state personally liable for this. Private parties can definitely be held liable for their incompetence causing harm to someone because of a third party bad actor, so why shouldn't the state be in this case?
If someone filed this against the governor's home, and the homes of everyone in the state legislature, I bet the registrar checks would get put in place real fast.
If this ever happens to you, DO NOT file another deed back into your own name. Not only are you opening yourself up to fraudulently signing a deed in someone else’s name, you’re legally purporting that the other person did in fact have some legal interest in your property. You don’t want to open that can of worms.
So whose name would you recommend putting on the deed to your own property? I'm going to go make some popcorn now, because this should be really interesting.
@@sped6954 He's saying you don't file a new deed. You already have the original deed. The courts have to be involved to throw out the fraudulent deed, then your original deed is put back in.
The Notary only validates that the person who signed it is who they claim to be by using I.D They don't read the document or check it in anyway. They really are not supposed to read or acknowledge it other than the signature.
@@Scott.Newmaster Right! So unless there were false ID’s involved (“IMPERSONATION”) (note: the thief doesn’t appear to be that sophisticated) - it appears the Notary didn’t bother to check ID’s… 🤔
She got enough money to file a fraudulent deed, set up an estate and a trust and then went too far in her quest to squat on a home. All because she was looking for a place to stay and was using a trick to claim what she hoped was an abandoned home. The legislature needs to take the interest of home owners into account in a serious session instead of kicking the can with stupid stuff. Strengthen the laws on filing liens, deeds and squatting to protect the people actually paying the taxes, or there will be a flood of homeowners losing their houses by such means. I doubt people like this lady will pay the taxes they will just sit there, strip the house of anything of value and let the taxes go for a few years until sold in a tax sale.
Back in the 1990s, JEDEC (organization of memory manufacturers who set standards like DDR to insure memory was compatible) invited Rambus to join them. As part of the conditions for joining, Rambus had to sign a contract saying they wouldn't file patents on any of the designs being discussed. Rambus joined, then proceeded to do exactly that. They basically stole and patented the DDR tech that was under discussion. Since the other companies had agreed not to patent it, Rambus' patent was the first to be filed. Then Rambus proceeded to sue the other companies for infringing "their" patent. The other JEDEC members sued, and the court sided with them saying that Rambus had breached their contract for joining JEDEC. Unfortunately the contract did not specify any penalties for a breach. So the only thing JEDEC could do was kick Rambus out. The patents Rambus filed were still valid. The lesson here is: laws requiring that someone do something are toothless unless they also specify penalties. Unless there are penalties for county clerks, registrars offices, etc. who fail to verify the validity of documents for deed transfers, a Federal law saying they're required to verify is meaningless.
So the only thing they verify is if the transfer paperwork is correct. They don't verify if the person who files it has the right to do so. That is the problem. I would simply file to place it back in my name expecting them to accept that. Then I would file whatever legal charges against the fraudster I could including a law suite.
The man they spoke to said he was the attorney😢 in fact and his last name was BEY, moorish citizen nonsense, that’s why their reasons don’t make sense, this is a scam.
Anyone saying they are an attorney without being an attorney is illegal in most places. If the guy is an attorney, he's at risk of losing his law license over this.
When I purchased my vacation home in Arizona I was told that the deed registration system is a patchwork of old sloppy methods and newer more efficient methods, and many errors and crimes slip in between the cracks. For that reason the process of buying a home in AZ is different than it is here in BC Canada: instead of typically hiring a lawyer to handle the conveyance they recommend using a title insurance company, and that it is foolhardy to buy a home in AZ without substantial title insurance coverage. The company handles the assurances that the deed info is accurate and conveyed properly, but also covers the home buyer in the instance that some problem arises from many decades-old deed inconsistencies or fraudulent actors. Cost me about $1500 for this title insurance. It's not commonly purchased here in Canada (though in eastern Canada mortgage fraud is on the rise and it can involve hanky panky with titles, increasing the need for title insurance).
I wonder if it's possible to get police called on the clerk for (potential) fraud. Even if said clerk was negligent, before it all clarified there's reasonable suspicion that the clerk was in on the scheme. I'm pretty sure if police starts investigation clerks for such bs they will be more careful on their job.
The clerks only job is to record and catalogue the documents that come in, and maintain a timely public record. It’s not their job to verify the validity of the documents. I work in the public records of hundreds of counties daily, and I can tell you from 17 years experience doing so, the public records are full of stuff that’s wrong, mostly due to doc drafting errors, but also due to some fraud. The clerks office would need 10x the staff at a minimum if they were also required to verify every doc they filed.
What suspicion is there that the clerk was in on it by doing her job by the law? She received the paper. Probably date stamped it and filed it . What crime was committed by the clerk?
They didn’t violate a law so why try to have them arrested? No, what needs to happen is their process needs to change to where there is a 30 day period where certain notifications go out before anything is official and the law needs to change.
Okay so you claim you "thought" the house was in foreclosure, there's still the fact that it ended up in your names without any money changing hands. That's not how that works
Not only is this fraud but also Grand Larceny. Anyone who does this should be in jail. Plus, I doubt this is the first time she has stolen property this way.
I don't understand why it would matter if the home was in foreclosure it's still fraud for her to take possession of the property Never mind you addressed it
If someone gets caught stealing a house, the state should give them one of there own that's 6x9 with iron bars for a front door in a guarded community!!!😡
I know of similar cases in GA. They generally just forge the notary. The courts never actually check anything. I think it was back in January but the notary in that case was contacted and had never signed it or heard of it.
I'm so glad that you addressed why he couldn't simply file his own deed transfer to reclaim it. I have seen multiple videos on this story and none of them addressed this question but every comment section is filled with people asking. I'm also curious what would have happened if the rightful owner had died before he was able to fight this and none of his heirs knew to fight this.
The way to stop this is to file $100 million lawsuit against the person, persons and then have it all come out in court and take all of their possessions… to pay the lawyers
What good is a Rotary Public? I had to move my uncle from his apartment to a nursing home. After three months of forwarding his Social Security check to the nursing home, the Post Office said they don't forward mail after three months. I went to the S.S. office to change his address, they told me he'd have come down and change the address in person. I explained that he is non-ambulantory, I was his POA. They said they don't recognize a POA. I asked if I could get a Notary Public to notarize his signature, they said they don't recognize a notary public either.
My mom moved similarly. Per ssa website we called a number, someone at ssa called her back and took the change of address after verification of her ID.
Denying a legit POA is illegal in many states/cases. I used to work in finance and we were legally required to allow someone with a General or Specific POA to take out a loan in someone else's name. If we refused WE could be sued. But of course Im sure that doesnt apply to the gvmt. As usual.
"I thought the house was in foreclosure." So would that be one count of theft from the man who owned it, and another count of attempted theft from the people she thought were foreclosing on it?
Title insurance is for what happens leading up to the purchase so that if something is missed there is a remedy. I don't see how it would protect from something happening later not connected to the purchase.
@@kennethstaszak9990 Actually the title insurance is for life with a one-off installment (usually about 1%). It indeed is mostly to cover issues around the purchase, but also after, like when a bank wrongly put a claim on your property. These insurers have people on all major banks, so usually when something like that happens it is cleared very quickly...
@@2Fast4Mellow I understand your point involving a bank but I still don't see how it would cover this situation, especially since it had nothing to do with the purchase by the legal owner or a lender. I can't see an insurer writing a policy covering fraud after the fact.
Title insurance is an errors and omissions based coverage. It would only cover you in this instance if the person who was filing the new deed alleges that their right to the property was established before yours such as through a prior lien.
So, they manage records that are both fact and false...so, what value do they serve? If that's all they are...sounds like they can be replaced by a website.
7:18 "So what? There's all kinds of things I think (about you) that aren't relevant to this conversation!" If I'm interpreting that correctly, that was damn clever, well played. 😂
Can't they protect deeds at least as well as a car title? You know, require the buyer AND SELLER to sign it? At least then forgery would come into play.
At one time the state contracted a company to print vehicle registration stickers. They user cheap sticky glue. Mine was pealing which was driving my OCD crazy Because it was almost right in front of my face while driving. I was reading in a news paper that if your sticker was pealing you could get a new one at the DMV. I was near the DMV office so I went there. I asked ,do I need to bring in the old one? No, they said I had to send it to the capital main headquarters along with a copy of my title, drivers license, proof of insurance and I think both of my children.I asked the woman , what do I use for a registration until the new one arrives? She told me that they would send me a receipt. Again I asked what I should do until it arrives. She said they will send me a receipt. I asked again and got the same answer. She didn't get the flaw in their method. I left and went a block down the street to the post office and bought a 2 inch wide roll of packing tape and taped it down. The tape was somewhat bothersome because my OCD kept saying that ain't right but, I lived until I renewed it.
What the owner can files is a Public Notice announcing continued uninterrupted ownership with the details of the validity of his ownership. That he can file with the clerk.
It's amazing that they accept this fraudulent deed and now this guy has to get a lawyer and sue her to get his deed back. I hope that a judge makes her pay for this guy's legal fees when he wins the lawsuit... I hope she also spends a lot of time in jail to stop this from happening by other people because I think this is going to keep happening over and over...
Nope, everyone who signs the form does so on penalty of perjury so it’s true until challenged. Otherwise you have the cost of filing documents quintuple or more.
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At least she could've pretended to legally abuse adverse possession, but instead she chose conversion/fraud.
It sounds like those Useless Congress People, need to pass a law.stating there must be Positive Proof of Ownership, and in Person(S), for Initial Purchase and ANY Further Actions...🤔
I wonder if the homeowner could request she immediately sign a quit claim. Still have her charged, but a judge could take this into account and lessen (not eliminate) jail time.
When she says she thought the house was in foreclosure, what she means is, I didn't think I was stealing a home from a regular person, I thought I was stealing it from a bank who was either about to take the home or already took the home. It's a way to garner some level of sympathy that she isn't as bad a person as she is because people for whatever reason think it's okay to steal from corporations, but not from people.
No, cases like this are why the purchaser attempting to buy this house needs it. A proper title search would show the irregularities, but there are lawyers who do the minimum amount of work also. Now If anyone could chime in, how does that insurance work in a situation like this. The previous legal owner I would think gets the house back, the police end up going after the fraudsters, but does the title insurance now pay you for all the money you spent in the closing and paying for that house.
The parish where I live (Louisiana) has a registry where ANY proposed changes to your real estate will trigger a notification prior to the change. They started it BECAUSE of this crap. Now, you have to opt in, but at least it is something.
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They should investigate EVERY property in her “Trust”. Sounds like she’s used to stealing property.
Absolutely, no way this isn't the first time they've done this.
Came here to say the same thing.
The most successful scammers I've ever encountered hide behind confusion, silence, fake corrections, and 'oh, I must have made a mistake...' (One CPA in California submitted three completely different sets of books for the same time period, and they were still hiding expenses we knew about. The board that regulates corporations and the one for CPAs never even responded. An LAPD sergeant I knew said, "They put the office in Santa Monica instead of Los Angeles to hide the fraud. I know fraud detectives, they'd jump on this. Santa Monica isn't big enough to have the detectives who can handle this." (Hopefully they do now.) Some fraud is just addicts stealing. They get caught, confess. Major fraud, like stealing houses is the action of intelligent rational people. Harsh sentences aren't a deterrent? To a stupid kid with a gun, no, but to these people it's part of the calculation. If this woman is doing this here, she's done this stuff many times, or she's the front. Give her a long sentence and this crime will vanish.
I once mentioned to a friend that I thought that 10 to 15% of the people in Beverly Hills probably made their money fraudulently, not just cheating on their taxes. She snorted, "Ha. I grew up in Beverly Hills, I know Beverly Hills - it's at least a third."
Sounds to me like she had no clue what was going on. If it's a trust, someone else might be managing it.
Fraudulently taking possession of a house, putting it in a trust, and asking what law did she break/what crime did she commit has sovcit written all over it.
I really, really, really want to hear her explain in court why she thinks that a home in foreclosure makes it hers
During the first video I got strong SovCit vibs
Guessing she will use the Chewbacca defense .
We went to the moon, planted a US flag and said it was ours. Maybe she just threw a brick with her name on it over the fence and claims it is hers.
@@2Fast4Mellow The flag planting was ceremonious. At no time did the U.S. claim to own the moon.
@@therealtracyduh Because it was not made of cheese.
The guy on the phone deserves more scrutiny. If he is a lawyer, then his professional credentials need checking/possibly revoking. In any case he needs investigating as a possible accomplice
"I thought it was in foreclosure" tranlsates to she thought she was robbing a bank and not a homeowner
Sounds to me like the guy who answered the phone saying he was her lawyer, which I doubt, would obviously know what law she broke. Sounds to me like he’s a co-conspirator and should also be charged.
I'm glad someone said that. It is obvious that he should be held accountable as well.
This is a excellent point, the more I think about it the more I question if he is actually a lawyer
@@bryanblake8607 If he was a real lawyer, it would never have gotten that far unless he was "criminal" lawyer.
He's probably a shady probate lawyer hired to manage her inheritance. She probably inherited a trust fund when a relative died and she's not being kept in the loop about the status of the assets in the trust.
Sounds to me like he’s a co-conspirator and should also be charged. EXACTLY and that is what I would have told him, in person.
How can it be that a HOA was the saving grace in the story. Probably the only time since the beginning of the universe.
I would not be surprised of the HOA is billing both the owner and the fraudulent owner for yearly dues
Not all HOAs are awful, you just hear about the bad ones. Our friend is chairperson of their HOA, which exists mainly to keep two acres of lawn mowed, one sidewalk clear of snow, and to throw an ice cream social every spring. They meet twice a year, and that's all they do. On paper they are supposed to do a handful of other things, but nobody complains and they don't bother.
@@jbmcb Yes, you hear about the horrible ones more often. And, any HOA is just a couple bad elections away from being awful, but it really depends on how active the owners are in terms of ensuring that it's not a bunch of jerks on the board behaving badly. Keep in mind when these stories of abuse are covered, those people on the board were elected, which means that the people in the covered homes were either supportive of it or ignorant of what the people on the board were going to do.
@@SmallSpoonBrigade Actually no. The HOA deed of our house states that only residence of one of the properties can take seat on the board and cannot be transferred to a HOA management company. The stories you hear about HOA are pretty much always regarding for-profit HOA organizations, that do the management for free. The make their money with the fines they issue. But then again, in our street, we have three lawyers and one notary that make sure nothing weird happens. Little side note: Our HOA only covers 15 homes on a small branch on a state road. It duties are clearly documented in the deeds of the homes and cannot be extended. Our realter told us this was one of the best HOA documents she ever saw.
They didn't fix anything, they just sent notice. They're good at that, because they notify people they're taking their house all the time.
Thank you Steve for covering this, I grew up in Raleigh and this hit too close to home.
She's been charged and was in jail yesterday.
Funny how the law treats fraud against individuals as "civil midsdemeanors" but the SAME fraud against a bank as a "criminal felony!" Our property in Mexico required the SELLER to go to the property office and personally IDENTIFY themselves and SIGN the transfer documents BEFORE we could transfer the deed.
What?? In a third world country??
Same thing here in Mississippi and the notary of the courthouse has to notarize the paperwork and to have it filed is $26
They are slowly reducing the rate of service while collecting more and more taxes and they hope you won't notice. Corporations are doing the same things with goods and services. This, along with being unable to control our own borders, are to me the main indicators that we are in the "looting" phase of a falling empire.
Easy: If you do it against a person, the person's on the hook for the cost of what you did. If you do it to a bank, the government ends up on the hook for the cost of what you did. It's not right, but that's the reason.
@@knghtbrdNo the government isn't on the hook, we are either way, because it's all our money they already stolen or will that paid it back.
This is such BS. The idea that they are just a repository, but it costs him $8,000+ to fix this issue. It's obviously more than a repository. There needs to be some acceptance criteria..
Yes they're only a repository... Like Steve said in the previous video that they could get 100-700 pieces to file on any given day or week. It's not the clerk's job to investigate each & every one. If you find out there's been fraud committed then you as a private citizen is responsible. Yes it can be so costly that it may be worthless to file on a single acre or a home that's worth $25k. But this is from the lawyer's cost to hire. And if found to be fraud then you can try to get milk from a dead cow, take a deduction on your taxes & a few other remedy's allowed by law. Also everyone is so quick to hire a lawyer.... You can file lots of things by yourself nowadays because most states have portals for "Self-help legal work". I did it myself when I was applying for disability, but owed child support & other stuff. Depends on how much you value your time. And how much that over paid lawyer says he'll cost(no, not all lawyers are over paid! Some are quite reasonable.)...
They should look further into the clerks office and check how many times this has happened and who benefitted.
Fee shifting statute would fix a lot of that.
Something along the lines of: "any documents determined by the court to be to not have any legal basis will incur the legal cost of defending after judgement."
Then they just need to get a copy of the ID of whoever is filing it with the court.
@@bacterrhea2082 Only in the U.S. do you have to pay your own legal fees in court when you did nothing wrong. Fee shifting to the losing party should be the standard _and_ if the government is ultimately the losing party then it should come with physical punishments for everyone involved in the wrongdoing that took place.
@@bacterrhea2082 US courts need a lot more fee shifting/loser pays stuff in court.
Prevention is way better than punishment. Systems should be in place to prevent this.
The only way that's going to happen is if judges start holding the state personally liable for this. Private parties can definitely be held liable for their incompetence causing harm to someone because of a third party bad actor, so why shouldn't the state be in this case?
I wonder, if the registrar of deeds owns a home, if they would refuse to accept a deed claim filed on their own home.
The registrar has even less information on what is being filed than any of us! They don't "DO" the actual filing, they have lackies for that!
If someone filed this against the governor's home, and the homes of everyone in the state legislature, I bet the registrar checks would get put in place real fast.
If this ever happens to you, DO NOT file another deed back into your own name. Not only are you opening yourself up to fraudulently signing a deed in someone else’s name, you’re legally purporting that the other person did in fact have some legal interest in your property. You don’t want to open that can of worms.
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So whose name would you recommend putting on the deed to your own property? I'm going to go make some popcorn now, because this should be really interesting.
@@sped6954 He's saying you don't file a new deed. You already have the original deed. The courts have to be involved to throw out the fraudulent deed, then your original deed is put back in.
@@thelogicaldanger exactly
@@sped6954 you already have the legally binding deed, there’s no need to go down a road that allows the fraudster any legal wiggle room.
He needs to be prosecuted too, not just her. And they MUST get prison time for it to be a deterrent.
her trust needs to be investigated. How many other homes has she stolen
Why require a Notary if you’re not going to verify the Notary and hold the Notary responsible… 😳🤷♂️
The Notary only validates that the person who signed it is who they claim to be by using I.D
They don't read the document or check it in anyway. They really are not supposed to read or acknowledge it other than the signature.
@@Scott.Newmaster Right! So unless there were false ID’s involved (“IMPERSONATION”) (note: the thief doesn’t appear to be that sophisticated) - it appears the Notary didn’t bother to check ID’s… 🤔
@@johnpowers2837 uhh, it was put in her name and holding company, hence the reason they know who it was.
Reminds me of Benny Hill. I didn't steel that car. It was parked in front of the cemetery, i thought the owner was dead
That's what she's doing. Every 1 out of 10 foreclosures is truly a deceased person's home and she'll win it. It's a numbers game
Get the joke? The deceased drove themselves to the cemetery!
It would appear the current process favors the criminal...
The process is more naïve in that they never envisioned that someone would abuse the system.
Sounds like they are using the honor system due to laziness
Public flogging comes to mind.
While floggings don't stop crime they do make people feel better.
@@Tathanic yep and it's a lot cheaper than prisons
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@@kirktennyson612 got to food vendor, get a hunk of mutton or a skewer of rat and some mead and it's a great friday night.
And it's free.
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She got enough money to file a fraudulent deed, set up an estate and a trust and then went too far in her quest to squat on a home. All because she was looking for a place to stay and was using a trick to claim what she hoped was an abandoned home. The legislature needs to take the interest of home owners into account in a serious session instead of kicking the can with stupid stuff.
Strengthen the laws on filing liens, deeds and squatting to protect the people actually paying the taxes, or there will be a flood of homeowners losing their houses by such means. I doubt people like this lady will pay the taxes they will just sit there, strip the house of anything of value and let the taxes go for a few years until sold in a tax sale.
Federal Takings Clause Says The States Are Required To Verify The Validity Of Documents For Deed Transfers...
Back in the 1990s, JEDEC (organization of memory manufacturers who set standards like DDR to insure memory was compatible) invited Rambus to join them. As part of the conditions for joining, Rambus had to sign a contract saying they wouldn't file patents on any of the designs being discussed. Rambus joined, then proceeded to do exactly that. They basically stole and patented the DDR tech that was under discussion. Since the other companies had agreed not to patent it, Rambus' patent was the first to be filed. Then Rambus proceeded to sue the other companies for infringing "their" patent.
The other JEDEC members sued, and the court sided with them saying that Rambus had breached their contract for joining JEDEC. Unfortunately the contract did not specify any penalties for a breach. So the only thing JEDEC could do was kick Rambus out. The patents Rambus filed were still valid.
The lesson here is: laws requiring that someone do something are toothless unless they also specify penalties. Unless there are penalties for county clerks, registrars offices, etc. who fail to verify the validity of documents for deed transfers, a Federal law saying they're required to verify is meaningless.
So the only thing they verify is if the transfer paperwork is correct. They don't verify if the person who files it has the right to do so. That is the problem. I would simply file to place it back in my name expecting them to accept that. Then I would file whatever legal charges against the fraudster I could including a law suite.
The man they spoke to said he was the attorney😢 in fact and his last name was BEY, moorish citizen nonsense, that’s why their reasons don’t make sense, this is a scam.
Anyone saying they are an attorney without being an attorney is illegal in most places. If the guy is an attorney, he's at risk of losing his law license over this.
How is this even possible ANYWHERE. In this country. Really!?!
When I purchased my vacation home in Arizona I was told that the deed registration system is a patchwork of old sloppy methods and newer more efficient methods, and many errors and crimes slip in between the cracks. For that reason the process of buying a home in AZ is different than it is here in BC Canada: instead of typically hiring a lawyer to handle the conveyance they recommend using a title insurance company, and that it is foolhardy to buy a home in AZ without substantial title insurance coverage. The company handles the assurances that the deed info is accurate and conveyed properly, but also covers the home buyer in the instance that some problem arises from many decades-old deed inconsistencies or fraudulent actors. Cost me about $1500 for this title insurance. It's not commonly purchased here in Canada (though in eastern Canada mortgage fraud is on the rise and it can involve hanky panky with titles, increasing the need for title insurance).
Jail is not a pleasant experience. Perhaps these people need to learn that the hard way.
I wonder if it's possible to get police called on the clerk for (potential) fraud. Even if said clerk was negligent, before it all clarified there's reasonable suspicion that the clerk was in on the scheme. I'm pretty sure if police starts investigation clerks for such bs they will be more careful on their job.
You need to relisten to the video if you watched it at all.
Clerk was not negligent. His only job was to accept for filing. If he did anything else he would be acting in contravention of the law.
The clerks only job is to record and catalogue the documents that come in, and maintain a timely public record. It’s not their job to verify the validity of the documents. I work in the public records of hundreds of counties daily, and I can tell you from 17 years experience doing so, the public records are full of stuff that’s wrong, mostly due to doc drafting errors, but also due to some fraud. The clerks office would need 10x the staff at a minimum if they were also required to verify every doc they filed.
What suspicion is there that the clerk was in on it by doing her job by the law? She received the paper. Probably date stamped it and filed it . What crime was committed by the clerk?
They didn’t violate a law so why try to have them arrested? No, what needs to happen is their process needs to change to where there is a 30 day period where certain notifications go out before anything is official and the law needs to change.
Okay so you claim you "thought" the house was in foreclosure, there's still the fact that it ended up in your names without any money changing hands. That's not how that works
Criminal Court could issue an order to FIX this.
They thought the property was in foreclosure and assumed they could squat in it until the bank caught on.
Not only is this fraud but also Grand Larceny. Anyone who does this should be in jail. Plus, I doubt this is the first time she has stolen property this way.
Stealing expensive luggage is also grand larceny. You just need a break from the right prosecutor.
@@frpgplayer How about stealing a piano?
I don't understand why it would matter if the home was in foreclosure it's still fraud for her to take possession of the property
Never mind you addressed it
Who will pay the $8K that it will cost the guy to hire a lawyer?
Title insurance co.
Someone needs to file a deed stating that they now own the Register of Deeds.
If someone gets caught stealing a house, the state should give them one of there own that's 6x9 with iron bars for a front door in a guarded community!!!😡
...with severely limited egress.
Will her attorney be disbarred?
Wasn't the false deed notarized? If so, charge the notary.
I know of similar cases in GA. They generally just forge the notary. The courts never actually check anything. I think it was back in January but the notary in that case was contacted and had never signed it or heard of it.
Notories are certifying the signatures are valid, not if the document is valid.
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Laws need to change immediately to protect homeowners.
Glad to see they aren't taking the standard "this is a civil matter" stance.
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I'm so glad that you addressed why he couldn't simply file his own deed transfer to reclaim it. I have seen multiple videos on this story and none of them addressed this question but every comment section is filled with people asking.
I'm also curious what would have happened if the rightful owner had died before he was able to fight this and none of his heirs knew to fight this.
The way to stop this is to file $100 million lawsuit against the person, persons and then have it all come out in court and take all of their possessions… to pay the lawyers
I just talked to a title company and they admitted that there is no way to protect yourself, but if you have title insurance they are on the hook.
Wow! Thank you for the quick update!
This is why you use a title insurance company
Title companies check chain of title, notary stamps, trust docs and more
What good is a Rotary Public? I had to move my uncle from his apartment to a nursing home. After three months of forwarding his Social Security check to the nursing home, the Post Office said they don't forward mail after three months. I went to the S.S. office to change his address, they told me he'd have come down and change the address in person. I explained that he is non-ambulantory, I was his POA. They said they don't recognize a POA. I asked if I could get a Notary Public to notarize his signature, they said they don't recognize a notary public either.
My mom moved similarly. Per ssa website we called a number, someone at ssa called her back and took the change of address after verification of her ID.
Denying a legit POA is illegal in many states/cases. I used to work in finance and we were legally required to allow someone with a General or Specific POA to take out a loan in someone else's name. If we refused WE could be sued.
But of course Im sure that doesnt apply to the gvmt. As usual.
They should also charge the 'attorney of record' that filed the fraudulent papers.
"I thought the house was in foreclosure."
So would that be one count of theft from the man who owned it, and another count of attempted theft from the people she thought were foreclosing on it?
If you purchased title insurance when you bought your home, would that policy help you if somebody steals your deed this way?
Title insurance is for what happens leading up to the purchase so that if something is missed there is a remedy. I don't see how it would protect from something happening later not connected to the purchase.
@@kennethstaszak9990 Actually the title insurance is for life with a one-off installment (usually about 1%). It indeed is mostly to cover issues around the purchase, but also after, like when a bank wrongly put a claim on your property. These insurers have people on all major banks, so usually when something like that happens it is cleared very quickly...
@@2Fast4Mellow I understand your point involving a bank but I still don't see how it would cover this situation, especially since it had nothing to do with the purchase by the legal owner or a lender. I can't see an insurer writing a policy covering fraud after the fact.
Title insurance is an errors and omissions based coverage. It would only cover you in this instance if the person who was filing the new deed alleges that their right to the property was established before yours such as through a prior lien.
The clerk's office should at least be required to notify the person who filed the previous deed, that way they could take action sooner.
So, they manage records that are both fact and false...so, what value do they serve? If that's all they are...sounds like they can be replaced by a website.
Didn't something like this almost happen to Graceland? It didn't work out for that lady either.
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The homeowner should be allowed to sue for market value of the house.
My pet peeve is stupid, lazy government.
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If I'm interpreting that correctly, that was damn clever, well played. 😂
Can't they protect deeds at least as well as a car title? You know, require the buyer AND SELLER to sign it? At least then forgery would come into play.
Yes, but what happens when it's a divorce, death in the family & nobody agrees with anyone else?
Try to get new title for your vehicle. You'll need to show every aspect about your life and leave your first born.
At one time the state contracted a company to print vehicle registration stickers. They user cheap sticky glue. Mine was pealing which was driving my OCD crazy Because it was almost right in front of my face while driving. I was reading in a news paper that if your sticker was pealing you could get a new one at the DMV. I was near the DMV office so I went there. I asked ,do I need to bring in the old one? No, they said I had to send it to the capital main headquarters along with a copy of my title, drivers license, proof of insurance and I think both of my children.I asked the woman , what do I use for a registration until the new one arrives? She told me that they would send me a receipt. Again I asked what I should do until it arrives. She said they will send me a receipt. I asked again and got the same answer. She didn't get the flaw in their method. I left and went a block down the street to the post office and bought a 2 inch wide roll of packing tape and taped it down. The tape was somewhat bothersome because my OCD kept saying that ain't right but, I lived until I renewed it.
I wonder if she has done this before and just was not caught, or if that lawyer she used is the one scamming people?
I want to see a copy of these fake deeds and paperwork. Maybe get one to Steve so he can do a video on it.
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Why spend the $8k? Why not just go file another register of deed? How much does that cost?
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Thanks Steve
Excellent, thanks.
To paraphrase Steve Martin, “I did not know murder was a crime.”
I wonder how many people she’s done this to. Especially those who can’t afford to fight.
In SC all deed transfers usually go through an attorney and notarized by the attorney's office. This is supposed to prevent this type of hanky-panky.
How would you go about checking periodically to make sure this doesn't happen to you? I've heard so many stories like this.
They should just RETRACT it. I don't know if they have a process for that, but they should make one.
Could the judge in the criminal case order the deed removed from the file to help him avoid the cost of civil litigation?
What the owner can files is a Public Notice announcing continued uninterrupted ownership with the details of the validity of his ownership. That he can file with the clerk.
Why are they just accepting documents just because people file them?
It's amazing that they accept this fraudulent deed and now this guy has to get a lawyer and sue her to get his deed back. I hope that a judge makes her pay for this guy's legal fees when he wins the lawsuit... I hope she also spends a lot of time in jail to stop this from happening by other people because I think this is going to keep happening over and over...
This is an example for why government should get out of the business dealing with private property outside of cases or controversies.
Wait, the register of deeds, doesn't need to confirm a sale, to switch ownership of a property? That is just insane.
Nope, everyone who signs the form does so on penalty of perjury so it’s true until challenged. Otherwise you have the cost of filing documents quintuple or more.
At least she could've pretended to legally abuse adverse possession, but instead she chose conversion/fraud.
"i thought it was in foreclosure" sounds like a valid excuse for THE BANK to make this mistake, not an individual. right?
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This is currently happening to my grandparents in Detroit. Íts a headache to try and get it all untangled.
Throwing out the foreclosure smokescreen suggests to me that she knew what she did and was throwing out BS assuming it wouldn't be questioned.
I had this happen to me by a large corporation I was working for. When I called them on it they fired me.
It sounds like those Useless Congress People, need to pass a law.stating there must be Positive Proof of Ownership, and in Person(S), for Initial Purchase and ANY Further Actions...🤔
What about sanctions and charges against the notary who purportedly authenticated the phony deed?
Shouldn't the supposed lawyer be charged as well?
Excellent ! Maybe set a precedent for others to follow.
It would be difficult to get legal proceedings against a deceased woman.
I wonder if the homeowner could request she immediately sign a quit claim. Still have her charged, but a judge could take this into account and lessen (not eliminate) jail time.
When she says she thought the house was in foreclosure, what she means is, I didn't think I was stealing a home from a regular person, I thought I was stealing it from a bank who was either about to take the home or already took the home.
It's a way to garner some level of sympathy that she isn't as bad a person as she is because people for whatever reason think it's okay to steal from corporations, but not from people.
So, now it's both fraud and attempted fraud.
So many scammers. So little ammo.
Fraud and don't forget the theft.
I learned something new today. Most politicians are non sequitur.
Idk what that means "sequitur"
Im sorry im stupid
@@StateFarmGaming Non Sequitur is basicaly an illogical statement, argument or conclusion.
@@StateFarmGaming a conclusion or statement that does not logically follow from the previous argument or statement
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At least this time there were charges made. Is it squatting with a fake lease fraud?
Cases like this are why they sell title insurance.
No, cases like this are why the purchaser attempting to buy this house needs it. A proper title search would show the irregularities, but there are lawyers who do the minimum amount of work also.
Now If anyone could chime in, how does that insurance work in a situation like this. The previous legal owner I would think gets the house back, the police end up going after the fraudsters, but does the title insurance now pay you for all the money you spent in the closing and paying for that house.
Hunger Games, Foreclosure Edition
"May the Deed be in your Favor!" 😂
The parish where I live (Louisiana) has a registry where ANY proposed changes to your real estate will trigger a notification prior to the change. They started it BECAUSE of this crap. Now, you have to opt in, but at least it is something.
Would they have moved this quickly if the home was 2000 sf and worth $400,000?
I expect that a Quit Claim deed from and to the owner will sit on top of what she filed. It’s a recorder office.
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They should be punished as if it's theft of $250,000 (or whatever the value is). People that steal that amount should be in prison for several years.
My guess is the clerks office might have some explaining to do. The idea is to only stamp and file official papers that are official.
The State Should Be liable for all cost ,
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