I've been confused about Tau markerlights for the longest time, but it makes SOOO much more sense now. Thanks!! Keep up these amazingly informative videos!
Allthough i believe the Vehicles and Drones must select the Markerlight target at start of the movement Phase. Pathfinders being the exception. So 3 different ways: 1. Normal: target, no move, done 2. Vehicles/Drones: target, move, done 3. Pathfinders: move, target, done
This rule in the rulebook could really have done with a second pass of proofreading or more space to give examples! It took me multiple reads to work out if a markerlight drone in a unit of fire warriors can move and fire a markerlight (which, I think it can, but if the Shas'ui has a markerlight he still can't fire it if he moves) since the rule talks about what drone *_units_* can do and not drone _models,_ making it seem like it only means all-drone units, then adds a caveat about models in a drone unit that aren't drones or vehicles. My take on "when the action of firing a markerlight is completed" is that the action is aiming the markerlight, but the roll to apply the markerlight is when it is fired. Kind of like drawing a bead on a deer with a scoped hunting rifle. So that would support it being based on being in range after you've moved, and would also explain why only drones and vehicles (which both hover) can do it while moving since they aren't marching on foot or jumping with jetpacks.
There was nothing besides the actual commander farsight datasheet and Sept rules for the farsight enclaves in the new book. Some think they may be getting their own supplement sometime soon
@@teachergeoff9833 Thanks for the info. I looked on wahapedia and didn't see anything. I heard they used to be able to use fusion blasters as melee weapons like lightsabers.. Is that still a thing?
Question: I heard that Farsight Enclaves units shooting at something within 12 inches are treated as having a markerlight. So does this mean they hit on 3's within 12 inches? And they don't need an actual markerlight? If so is this effect permanent so long as they're within range?
It means that they improve their ballistic skill by 1 within that range (it won't always be 3s). BUT in the new balance dataslate that rule was changed to within 9 inches, not 12. I just released a video about it today. But they do NOT need an actual markerlight within that range.
A very good question. I would say yes since an advance is part of movement and they can move and only need to declare the markerlight action at the END of the movement phase
@@teachergeoff9833 that's what I figured, but I wondered if advancing caused units to not be able to do certain actions, but idk if there's any actions like these marker lights in the game.
The rule talks about each markerlight individually, so it would seem they can be done one by one. Also you are able to pick multiple targets per unit with marker lights just like a shooting attack. I would say one by one, but it is not clear for sure
@@teachergeoff9833 Yeah, and that's part of the conundrum. On a side note, it's also unclear how the marker interacts with grey knights "I teleport when you declare me". The model is removed from the table, but the marker is applied to the model until end of shooting. So is it still there afterwards and if so that could be a way to get some shots using the seeker missile strat. You aware of how the core rules handles markers on models that then are redeployed? Seeing how abilities and stuff remain in effect it would imply the markerlight remains in effect even if that is wildly unlogical tbh xD
@@eldoriath1 ok, well the marker light is not technically a shooting attack. Although, it is sort of supposed to be. Not sure how to rule this one. As written no, as intended yes
Hey Goff. I want to know. With marker lights. I know they give +1 hit. What does that +1 to interact with? Does it improve your Ballistic skill. From let’s say +4 to hit to +3. If it’s wrong could you please explain how the +1 to hit works.
@@teachergeoff9833 oh okay so if you attack a target with a marker light and you roll a 3 normally you would fall but since you use a marker light it turns it from a fail to a success. Would this after your strength if your models weapon vs a model’s toughness. Since if your weapon is compared to the toughness. If it’s a 5 str weapon against a 4 toughness.
@@shadowbush5021 I am not sure I understand the question. Are you asking whether markerlights affect Strength? They don't. It only adds 1 to the ballistic skill of the unit consuming the markerlight token
@@teachergeoff9833 okay well if it adds 1 to the ballistic skill. If my unit normally hits on 4s(like most tau) would it turn the 4 into a 3 for the model that is consuming the marker light? And my second part to this is. Since a unit is a group of models. If I had a unit of pathfinders all fire into a group of let’s say space marines. And I had 2 tokens. Would only 2 of the the 10 models get the benefit of the tokens? Or is it for all of the models in that group?
how do markerlights work with mont'ka? could i use the action, advance the unit then because it is considered as stationary successfully complete the action
"if it's unit *had* been selected to shoot" i.e. a drone would have to have been able to shoot the target when it first started to perform the action. It can move out of LOS after, but it got the hit in at the start of the action. Pathfinders are different in that they can start the action after moving and get into LOS to shoot the target, if they want to... otherwise they can fire at the start too.
I thought that at first. This rule is kind of muddy and I am hoping for clarification. BUT, it does state that the target is chosen when the action is completed and the action is completed at the end of start of the shooting phase
@@teachergeoff9833 BUT, if it can move without the action failing then... that implies the action starts, including having an eligible target, before moving... Also, where does it state that the target is chosen when the action is completed? It doesn't state that anywhere... They can just complete it after moving, BUT the action and everything to do with it happens at the start of moving, including selecting one enemy unit within 36" of that model that WOULD be an eligible target if it's unit HAD been selected, NOT AFTER moving, WHILE it's moving - BEFORE! Past tense HAD BEEN. :) Hope this helps.
@@returntofleet In the markerlights section... "Action is completed at the start of your next shooting phase. If this action is successfully completed, for each model... select one enemy unit..."
@@Reqqles Please quote from the codex. It doesn't explicitly say that anywhere.. "If this action is successfully completed, for each model in that unit that is equipped with one or more markerlights, for each markerlight that model is equipped with, select one enemy unit within 36" of that model that *would* be an eligible target for that model if it's unit *had* been selected to shoot".
@@Reqqles The roll is to resolve the action. Not to fire the shot. The shot is fired when the action is first started. Pathfinders differ in that they can start the action after moving and find an eligible target at that point. The Fireblade and Fire Warriors will fail the action if they move and would not roll to see it the action completes if having done so.
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I've been confused about Tau markerlights for the longest time, but it makes SOOO much more sense now. Thanks!! Keep up these amazingly informative videos!
Thanks and I am happy to help!
I've been confused about Tau markerlights for the longest time, but it makes SOOO much more sense now. Thanks!!
OMG! Thanks! The GW wording was so convaluted. You really cleared it Up! Thank you!
Allthough i believe the Vehicles and Drones must select the Markerlight target at start of the movement Phase. Pathfinders being the exception. So 3 different ways:
1. Normal: target, no move, done
2. Vehicles/Drones: target, move, done
3. Pathfinders: move, target, done
Happy to help!
This rule in the rulebook could really have done with a second pass of proofreading or more space to give examples! It took me multiple reads to work out if a markerlight drone in a unit of fire warriors can move and fire a markerlight (which, I think it can, but if the Shas'ui has a markerlight he still can't fire it if he moves) since the rule talks about what drone *_units_* can do and not drone _models,_ making it seem like it only means all-drone units, then adds a caveat about models in a drone unit that aren't drones or vehicles.
My take on "when the action of firing a markerlight is completed" is that the action is aiming the markerlight, but the roll to apply the markerlight is when it is fired. Kind of like drawing a bead on a deer with a scoped hunting rifle. So that would support it being based on being in range after you've moved, and would also explain why only drones and vehicles (which both hover) can do it while moving since they aren't marching on foot or jumping with jetpacks.
The fact that so many people have a take on it is testament to what you said; it really could have used some clearing up before launch
Do farsight enclaves have the veteran crisis suit stratagem in "9th" edition? If so how many command points is it?
There was nothing besides the actual commander farsight datasheet and Sept rules for the farsight enclaves in the new book. Some think they may be getting their own supplement sometime soon
@@teachergeoff9833 Thanks for the info. I looked on wahapedia and didn't see anything. I heard they used to be able to use fusion blasters as melee weapons like lightsabers.. Is that still a thing?
Once a unit has fired it's ML does that mean they don't get to shoot say a pulse carbine in the shooting phase?
They can shoot after using a markerlight
Question: I heard that Farsight Enclaves units shooting at something within 12 inches are treated as having a markerlight. So does this mean they hit on 3's within 12 inches?
And they don't need an actual markerlight?
If so is this effect permanent so long as they're within range?
It means that they improve their ballistic skill by 1 within that range (it won't always be 3s). BUT in the new balance dataslate that rule was changed to within 9 inches, not 12. I just released a video about it today. But they do NOT need an actual markerlight within that range.
@@teachergeoff9833 Cool! Thank you!
Can pathfinders advance and fire marker lights, or does advancing cause them to not be able to perform the action?
A very good question. I would say yes since an advance is part of movement and they can move and only need to declare the markerlight action at the END of the movement phase
@@teachergeoff9833 that's what I figured, but I wondered if advancing caused units to not be able to do certain actions, but idk if there's any actions like these marker lights in the game.
One question remains: Do you declare targets for all markerlights before you start to resolve them, or do you resolve them one by one?
The rule talks about each markerlight individually, so it would seem they can be done one by one. Also you are able to pick multiple targets per unit with marker lights just like a shooting attack. I would say one by one, but it is not clear for sure
@@teachergeoff9833
Yeah, and that's part of the conundrum.
On a side note, it's also unclear how the marker interacts with grey knights "I teleport when you declare me". The model is removed from the table, but the marker is applied to the model until end of shooting. So is it still there afterwards and if so that could be a way to get some shots using the seeker missile strat. You aware of how the core rules handles markers on models that then are redeployed? Seeing how abilities and stuff remain in effect it would imply the markerlight remains in effect even if that is wildly unlogical tbh xD
@@eldoriath1 It depends, does the redeploy specify that it can teleport when it is targeted by shooting attack?
@@teachergeoff9833
Yeah, special relic thing. You are allowed to declare new targets when it does so
@@eldoriath1 ok, well the marker light is not technically a shooting attack. Although, it is sort of supposed to be. Not sure how to rule this one. As written no, as intended yes
Hey Goff. I want to know. With marker lights. I know they give +1 hit. What does that +1 to interact with? Does it improve your Ballistic skill. From let’s say +4 to hit to +3. If it’s wrong could you please explain how the +1 to hit works.
it does not improve their ballistic skill. The way it works is it adds 1 to hit rolls. So if you roll a 3 for example it counts as a 4.
@@teachergeoff9833 oh okay so if you attack a target with a marker light and you roll a 3 normally you would fall but since you use a marker light it turns it from a fail to a success.
Would this after your strength if your models weapon vs a model’s toughness. Since if your weapon is compared to the toughness. If it’s a 5 str weapon against a 4 toughness.
@@shadowbush5021 I am not sure I understand the question. Are you asking whether markerlights affect Strength? They don't. It only adds 1 to the ballistic skill of the unit consuming the markerlight token
@@teachergeoff9833 okay well if it adds 1 to the ballistic skill. If my unit normally hits on 4s(like most tau) would it turn the 4 into a 3 for the model that is consuming the marker light?
And my second part to this is. Since a unit is a group of models. If I had a unit of pathfinders all fire into a group of let’s say space marines. And I had 2 tokens. Would only 2 of the the 10 models get the benefit of the tokens? Or is it for all of the models in that group?
@@shadowbush5021 The UNIT benefits from a markerlight token, not individual models in the unit
how do markerlights work with mont'ka? could i use the action, advance the unit then because it is considered as stationary successfully complete the action
That's a good question. I believe since it is considered to be stationary, it works.
"if it's unit *had* been selected to shoot" i.e. a drone would have to have been able to shoot the target when it first started to perform the action. It can move out of LOS after, but it got the hit in at the start of the action. Pathfinders are different in that they can start the action after moving and get into LOS to shoot the target, if they want to... otherwise they can fire at the start too.
Otherwise there's no difference between a drone firing a marker light or a pathfinder, so why bother with the distinction?
I thought that at first. This rule is kind of muddy and I am hoping for clarification. BUT, it does state that the target is chosen when the action is completed and the action is completed at the end of start of the shooting phase
@@returntofleet I think the distinction is because there are vehicles and drones that are in units not completely comprised of vehicles and drones.
@@teachergeoff9833 BUT, if it can move without the action failing then... that implies the action starts, including having an eligible target, before moving... Also, where does it state that the target is chosen when the action is completed? It doesn't state that anywhere... They can just complete it after moving, BUT the action and everything to do with it happens at the start of moving, including selecting one enemy unit within 36" of that model that WOULD be an eligible target if it's unit HAD been selected, NOT AFTER moving, WHILE it's moving - BEFORE! Past tense HAD BEEN. :) Hope this helps.
@@returntofleet In the markerlights section... "Action is completed at the start of your next shooting phase. If this action is successfully completed, for each model... select one enemy unit..."
Would you use that Strategem every time if it was 2CP per use? Trying to figure out a good use of my Genestealer Cults +1 to Strategem cost...
That's a good question. It would depend on how crucial getting marker lights out is at that point in the game
So the drone can't hit unless it *had* an eligible target at the start of the movement phase?
It can. The action is completed at the start of the shooting phase and that is explicitly when an eligible target is selected for each markerlight.
@@Reqqles Please quote from the codex. It doesn't explicitly say that anywhere.. "If this action is successfully completed, for each model in that unit that is equipped with one or more markerlights, for each markerlight that model is equipped with, select one enemy unit within 36" of that model that *would* be an eligible target for that model if it's unit *had* been selected to shoot".
"if it's unit had been selected to shoot" when it first started to perform the action.
@@Reqqles The roll is to resolve the action. Not to fire the shot. The shot is fired when the action is first started. Pathfinders differ in that they can start the action after moving and find an eligible target at that point. The Fireblade and Fire Warriors will fail the action if they move and would not roll to see it the action completes if having done so.
@@Reqqles Also, it's worth noting the rules for *Actions* from the Core book.
Thanks man