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3985 was doing about 70 mph in the second clip. It's impressive how it could still go so fast with such a long and heavy (7,000+ ton) train.
Steam power is no joke. It's just high maintenance and doesn't do well with slow speed switching moves.
Unlike diesel locomotives that have more power at slow speeds, steam locomotives increase their pulling strength at higher speeds. Lima had a term for that: horsepower at speed.
They were made for pulling heavy loads as 10000 tons . You should check the Big boy 4014 on service now. She was thé only one at that Time to pull loads of 10000 tons through the rockies montains with a grade .
@nicolasbuzzbuzz1079 bro, go search the differences between male and female
How amazing is that seeing a iron horse pulling a modern day freight with heart pounding sounds of acceleration and exhaust at speed. Just like the old days of the bygone era.
Please share this video
@@sebastiantorres8374 Yk I will!
Son that ain't no horse, that's a damn whale
They should get the bigboy going this
the fact that this run using 3985 was apparently upon request, and UP Said, Okay Sure
GE Evolution Series: "Wait, 143 cars with double stacked containers? That's too much for me! I need help from at least 3-4 sisters to help me pull and push!"
3985: "Hold my beer!"
COULD WATCH THIS OVER AND OVER never saw this version AWESOME
3985 hauling an intermodal train just hits differently.
3985 was doing this all by herself! No diesel helper!
Aren’t the diesel “helpers” mainly there for dynamic braking and providing electricity for the passenger cars, tho?
@@PHSR_Productions in general yes
@@PHSR_Productions different time back then, today yes it would definitely need a diesel for D/B
@@PHSR_ProductionsThey provide braking and the mandatory safety systems that most steam engines don’t have, and which would be quite complicated to install. Also, they can help lighten the load for the steam engines on long stretches of the journey in order to preserve fuel. It’s not because the locomotive isn’t more than capable of pulling the cars on its own, it’s simply because the railroad isn’t set up for steam anymore and they don’t have water towers everywhere.
Shes doing what shes built for amazing work for 3985 I hope she can do this again someday when shes fully restored
This is the only know clip to show UP #3985 pulling an APL Intermodal train from I believe it was the 80's. APL was showing interest in having a steam locomotive pulling one of their Intermodal trains, and Union Pacific offered #3985. The locomotive took the grades better than anyone could have expected, yet this clip is the only known clip in railroading history of the event.
you are correct
@@Stickycarp28284 I'm a Redneck first, rail fan second, and good boyfriend the whole way through. That's about it.
It would be good to see this repeated this decade. Is that feasible?
@@stephenfoster7257Feasible? Yes. 4014 has already helped a stalled freight train up a hill. From what I’ve heard, it did all the work by itself and handled it just fine. There are plenty of videos on TH-cam if you want to see that.
Will it happen? Who knows? 4014 is an incredible machine and they did a marvelous job restoring it, but it represents a major investment by Union Pacific and they don’t want to break it. The leader of the steam crew himself has said he’d love to run the Big Boy at tonnage, but that’s a huge risk for the company because if something goes wrong, it’ll cost a lot to fix.
This clip reminds me of the Beyer Garretts that we have over here in 🇦🇺. The ultimate work horse.
She is putting in a lot of work look at the color of her smoke
But she's doin' it just as well as 4 of her modern day diesel cousins!!!
@@sakeeler indeed... One single steam locomotive doing the job that requires 4 diesel locomotives. It still have the beans!
The smoke isn't necessarily him giving it the beans it could be adding a little to much oil to the fire or throwing sand in to knock soot off the flutes in the boiler
That’s not a sign of working hard. The reason Challenger is smoking like that is most likely because the photographer wanted it to. Black smoke like that is a sign that the engine is operating inefficiently (aka: not burning all the fuel). 4014’s smoke, for example, was practically clear when it helped push that freight train up a hill in 2023. It was working hard then. There was one point in a video where the wheels slipped and black smoke came out, but that was because it went from working hard to hardly working very rapidly, and the fireman got control soon after and the smoke returned to nearly clear.
The locomotives produced near the end of the steam era were amazing machines!
Absolutely breath-taking.I wish I was alive to see this
Contracter: I need you to help move all this across the states
UP: Okay
Contracter: How much for steam to do it?
UP: yes
Marvellous! And no helper diesel ruining the picture!
Who else came here after seeing 4014 push a stalled freight?
I laughed my ass off when they had to call in 4014 who was already pulling a 15 car passenger excursion pushing a 1.25 mile long freight that probably had a triple header in the front XD
Me.
@@chrisbrindamour9558Double-header, from what I’ve heard. And one of the 2 diesels had died, which is why it was stalled. But then Big Boy shoved it up the hill by itself. The diesels (at least from what I’ve heard) were at idle, or at the most notch 2, so 4014 was doing all the work.
It’s exciting to see a steam locomotive pulling a modern day Freight passing by
APL: "why is there soot all over our container?"
UP: dw about it bro
It’s the cargo inside that matters, not the means to transport them. 😂
There’s soot all over the containers most likely because the photographer wanted a lot of smoke. Ordinarily, the smoke would be nearly clear, even when the locomotive is working hard.
A beautiful sight, indeed!
It's pretty safe to assume that such a spectacle will never be repeated, at least at this scale. And to think all that was required for it was one water tender and a single tool car. Nowadays, you'd see two water tenders, a diesel, and like three tool cars always behind 4014.
More than 30 years ago ! Impressive, thanks for sharing. Hope to do a vid of this in O scale, but have only about 2 dozens cars not 143 :-(
America is just awesome
Amazing power.
Lots of stack talk there.
I think this was 1993 when UP ran into a power shortage and had to use 3985 as actual revenue power.
Nope, it was 1990
@@09JDCTrainMan It's too bad we didn't have the saturation of cameras like we do today - lots of locomotives back then that are now sitting cold awaiting restoration.
I think it was a request from the container company (APL) to have 3985 pull one of their intermodal freights.
@JamesMangle Yeah. So glad 3985 will be back in the future.
@@Combes_ Yep, it was
Oh Yeah, Way To Go Union Pacific 3985, I Hope You’re Restored And On The Move Again Soon
Cool steam powered intermodal
Love seeing UP steam in Wyoming. I run UP on my N scale layout, but my oldest loco would be an Alco PA/B set. I have subbed.
Thanks for the sub!
@@sebastiantorres8374 You're welcome.
My favorite clip of all steam trains
Wow. Now that's a lot.
Who would have known that a preserved steam locomotive would out beat a diesel by any day?
they can go up a 2% grade pulling a train like that with no effort whatsoever. Meanwhile, in that same token, you need 3 diesels for that same task.
The GEVOs: We can't pull all this up a grade, we'll stall!
3985: What grade?
Very incredible to see a steam train that many cars.
Another thing I found very shocking that the big boy can pull up to 120 cars while 3895 was pulling 143 cars which is 23 more cars then the big boy can pull
Impressive indeed 😮
Old school highballing!
Amazing!!!
Other residence struggle with that much freight cars challenger does it in a breeze
And for those that see the smoke as polluting in is only due to the difficulty of the run. Normally smoke is at a minimum.
Fun fact. The tender on 3985 is actually the tender from 4014
That maybe true nowadays, but back then, the 3985 actually had its own tender long before the 4014 was even fully restored.
WHAT YEAR WAS YEAR WAS THIS AND THIS BIG BOY WHERE IS IT TODAY I BET ITS THE ONE FROM THE SOUTH SOMEWHERE 1 RAILROAD HAS ONE OF THESE FULLY RESTORED AND IT HELPED A FRIGHT TRAIN GET UP A HILL THATCIT GOT STUCK ON. THE BIG BOY PUSH IT LIKE IT WAS PUSHING A train of feathers. SO POWERFUL I WISH I COULD SEE ONE IN REAL LIFE ONE DAY A STEAM LOCOMOTIVE. GREAT VIDEO 🥳 ❤🎉❤🎉
This is not the big boy, this the 3985, her cousin
@@mikeschiller2000 Also known as the Challenger.
@michaelschiller8143 you freaking kidding me you should know big boi is a boy
This was in 1990
@@mikeschiller2000 Goddard, here we go with she big girl comments
Just so we’re clear… steam wasn’t retired because they couldn’t do the work. They were retired because the diesel/electric locomotives were cheaper. Steam can pull harder than a diesel. Look at 844 shunting the NPST-Manifest while pulling her own excursion train!
Honestly this train is quite long, 8900 feet long and 7859 tons, Last year the Big Boy pushed a jammed train of 146 freight cars, 6 passenger cars, a caboose, 3 modern diesel locomotives, and 10,000 feet long, and weighing 11,000 tons, 156 freight cars load, the reason why the locomotive did not carry the train at a higher speed, was because as the engine has enough power to push and pull at the same time,If he had applied too much pressure when pushing the train, the entire train would have derailed, compressing the cars and breaking them into pieces. In a video where the locomotive was pushing the train, someone wrote, That if the train had been in a siding and needed to be moved out, the 4014 would have applied all its power to pull the train all the way and would have been able to carry all that tonnage at a speed Considerable.
Is the Big Boy Stinky steam engine still in service or is it Retired?
I’m happy to say Big Boy 4014 is still running! 😁😁
4014: what did you call me?>:(
It’s a Shame that the Video is Gone
At least i have this version
I remember being impressed by a long thread buried somewhere on the original comments which included people's calculations of the tractive effort and horsepower based on the number of TEU's and all manner of comparisons with diesel locomotives and trucking...
It makes me mad I have on dvd some where I should look for
@@sebastiantorres8374with a little bit of extra! Bravo!🙏
There’s a few dvd that document this that are still available for purchase.
UP: “IS THERE NO LOCOMOTIVE AVAILABLE FOR OUR INTERMODAL TRAIN?!?!”
Workers: “Well, there is one Locomotive Available. But you may not like it.”
UP: “Whatever. I just need a locomotive to Haul this Train.”
The Challenger: “It’s Show Time.”
Ok, how the hell is the Challenger hauling the Intermodal Train?
Like….
It’s a single locomotive
I couldn't do any better, but that fireman needs to clean up that exhaust! Wasting fuel! Maybe it's just for the cameras...
Just once I want to see big boy 4014 haul a good size freight train at speed just like 3985 did here
And 3985 at silvis Illinois she also with the Union Pacific 2-10-2 5511 built in 1923 is also being restored to steam again and the Union Pacific 6936 a EMD DDA40X Centennial type is working great in diesel power operating very good and she doesn't need a restoration because she operating as a brand new EMD DDA40X Centennial locomotive in 2025 as good as new running very powerful
Unlike diesel locomotives, steam locomotives gain more tractive effort at higher speeds.
I hard that the union pacific challenger 4-6-6-4 3985 is being restored to steam again at the railroading heritage of Midwest America (RRHMA) in silvis, Illinois. In 2025 season
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This Was a 30,888,000lbs Train Or 30million so yeaaa....
What year was this?
The year is 1990. 3985 actually pulled four revenue freights that year. This APL double was the biggest.
Was it going downhill lol
Nah chuggin up hill FR
Wait, wait wait so you’re telling me that the challengers are stronger not the big boys because the big boys can pull 120 freight cars and the challengers can pull 143
AFAIK, they had to keep updating the big boy's horsepower ratings because the engine was progressively stronger than they anticipated
Some have said that this was only possible because of momentum the train had from going downhill. It apparently hit the bottom of Archer Hill doing like 50mph.
Both the challengers and bigboys Made more Power then ever calculated. Depending on some conditions of course.
You have to keep in mind, those ratings are for old journal bearing cars, which while lighter have way, way more friction between the axles and the truck bodies than modern roller bearing cars. Plus intermodals are relatively light as loads go, vs coal or iron ore or even grain.
The Big Boys are without a doubt more powerful then the Challengers but there are other factors that determine how much tonnage a steam locomotive can pull. For example, on the “Cheyenne to North Platte” run, the Challengers are rated for 8,000 tons because that district is relatively flat (except for the 0.07% Archer Hill) but eastbound over Sherman Hill (Laramie to Cheyenne), the Challengers were rated at 4,290 tons over the 0.82% grade where as the Big Boys could pull 6,000 tons (drag freight) and about 4,800 tons (fast freight) over the 0.82% grade of Sherman Hill. The reason Big Boys were rarely used eastbound from Cheyenne to North Platte was there wasn’t a train heavy enough that required there power.
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143 cars = 592 axls = loco.Modern ACE or EMD deisel it would take 3 of us and a DPU 3985 hold my beer
I love Union Pacific 4014 way more than Union Pacific 3985, but however, I wonder and hope if both of them are still running today. 🚂🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃
What year was this?
1990
1990