@@YearsOVDecay1 I'm Well aware. I risked seeming banal in order to make a few people smile. I hope your "how original" comment makes some people feel good too.
@@YearsOVDecay1 When Cybertrucks and Plaids begin roaming the wild and BMW and Ford Raptor owners realize their vehicles have erectile dysfunctionality tsla stonk will reign Supreme.
I experienced DMT twice. The first time i smoked it slowly because I didn't know how powerful it was. It was an amazing visual trip. It lasted around 20 minutes. However, the second time has been the most revealing psychedelic trip of my life. I closed my eyes to try to explore my mind and I instinctively experienced what "death" is. I just knew it. I remember I could be anywhere in time, I didn't have a body but I was self-aware of that. If that was death, it was an amazing place to go to when we die. It was an undescribable feeling of peace.
I used psychedelics to help me solve a health issue doctors couldn’t find out (solved 80% already). In the future doctors will be using DMT and psilocybin as a means for a patient to hear his own body and find clues about his disease and how to solve it.
This is true when i have deep mushroom trips then eat during the trip(yeah i can eat on mushrooms prolly munchies from the weed) i can feel where the food is in my digestive track its pretty wrird
In the USA they have been using MDMA for PTSD with a very high success rate. I mention it to my Trauma councillor, for my PTSD and he dismissed it straight away, and does so every time. I've been seeing him for over a year now and were getting nowhere with all the methods he trys...
I saw and felt my entire nervous system on a trip. On another my friend and I could understand each others thoughts without speaking. On another I could map where ethics were located on my physiological body. I also wrote my whole masters thesis over just a couple of days on mushrooms 🍄
@@mrcid5653. I know joe rogan has done it multiple times. Everyone thats ever takin it say its almost stupid to try and describe what theyve experienced in words
@@drummerguy612 You can have an opinion on anything, and you a free to discuss that opinion with anybody. I did not say anything against this! But for many things, direct experience helps, as it is through experience that we gain perspective. And I thought my comparison particularly apt, when dealing with a topic that is based in perception. And just as you described, two blind men could only really talk about what others have described, rather than draw and interpret from direct experience. Which is what we see here - Again nothing wrong that they do - but my observation/comment also still holds true.
People who are really smart but never use them can often talk and remind you of a trip if their open minded to them but just a trip lands someone even smarter like alan watts or Carl Jung
I'm 57 years old and with those years I've amassed a fair few experiences of dreams and dreaming, some made such an impression upon me that I still recall them clearly, even from my youth. Not a single moment of a single dream was anything remotely similar to my dmt breakthrough. It was so completely alien and so utterly confounding in every single aspect that listening to anybody discussing the possibilities of it without any personal experience of it just seems so ridiculously pointless. We may as well imagine the experience of life as a snail but we'd really only be imagining it, I imagine?
I'm 38. Had a DMT breakthrough 2 years ago. I still think about it everyday. It changed my understanding of life and death, and it was the most amazing experience I've ever had. It cured a life long depression, burned all the negative shit from my soul. But yeah I kinda agree with you, people who have not experienced it have no idea how utterly reality shattering it is..
@@killyourego1185 hear me out and let me know your thoughts.. So we have dmt which triggers the brain in to psychedelic trips. This is where you find a cure for your depression? How? We have dreams which is believe that the brain releases dmt. Some think and believe that some dreams are meaningful or even God given. We have deja vu which I have experience my self. Don’t know how it even happens neither do we have experts on it. We also have spiritual encounters either with angels or demons. Which I had my share .. So I’m here now it’s 2022 I’m trying to figure out what’s the deal with DMT .. using drugs to trigger your brain into stuff now sure how this could be helpful or a disaster
@@gustavovillatoro7970 Well, psychedelics have been used throughout the history of human kind. Some believe it was the starting point of religion, or that early human consumption of them triggered an advance in human consciousness that "woke" us up. Either way we now know through clinical research that certain psychedelics such as psilocybin and dmt breakdown your default mode network and allows you to rewire neural pathways in your brain, thus being able to work through and let go of trauma, grief, guilt, whatever is holding you back from a good life. You can easily verify this by simply looking it up. Here in Oregon they just legalized psilocybin therapy for people with bad depression, ptsd, end of life anxiety in dying cancer patients. The work that has been done in this field is groundbreaking and saving people's lives. It is the future of treatment for anxiety and depression. My experience with dmt has convinced me that "god" or whatever you want to call the energy that is consciousness, is very real, and we as humans are just having an experience to develop our understanding of what it means to be alive and exist. I've lost my fear of death, I can't unsee what i've been exposed to. Like you said dmt is produced in our brains, and i believe it is a chemical gateway to the other side..
yeah but for those of us that havent, all we can do is experience it vicariously through people that have done it. so even if all you can describe is the life of a snail, thats way better than nothing
Lucid dreaming was one of my top 5 experiences I've had. At first when I realize I was asleep I woke up but over time I got to the point where I could control anything I wanted inside my dream. And what a journey.
when you really break through its impossible to really describe to someone who hasnt...even if they have lol its really hard to explain in detail what you saw bcuz u only remember bits...its kinda how everything makes sense on caps or lucy then you forget lol but so much bigger and deeper
Sam's point is just that DMT is similar to dreams in a way that we, our brains, are capable of producing very compelling hallucinations. He wasn't trying to describe the experience at all, but merely illustrating a part of it that CAN be misinterpreted.
It seems from the stories I’ve heard, the difference between dreams and DMT experiences is the limitations of knowledge of the “others.” In dreams, they’re limited by your own knowledge, and from what I’ve heard, the DMT others are somewhat like teachers with knowledge beyond the person experiencing the trip.
@@TheCho22 I get what you mean because I've felt this in my mushroom journey. And it was real as real can be. It's a bit tricky because your "knowledge" in the traditional sense is what's in your memories or in your waking consciousness. You may not "know" all the stuff beneath your biology but maybe it is something that can be tapped when under DMT. For example: the memory of the earth embedded in your genes, or that everything including yourself is vibration. But the degree of how real and vivid DMT is, I don't know anything about that.
HOLY SHIT. LMAO. I take this back. I've just "seen" it. It doesn't make sense at all, it can't be understood. Basically language is a rookie's attempt of showing it to others. Unfortunately there really is no way to say it. All words are futile. The only hope is that it could point you to the right direction, and saying that isn't even quite right.
When I worked with the elderly with either dementia or alzheimers there was a patient that talked about the elves in her room. Granted, I heard lots of nonsensical stuff over the years working with these kinds of patients but that one freaked me out.
Yes I did, from what I remember she claimed they were in her room moving around and she wasnt afraid, more annoyed.This situation was different because she often said it. At first I was like ok, Ill keep an eye out for them (disagreeing with these patients only angers them). Then I thought gee maybe I should be for real lol.
you know I'm thinkin if you give the elderly blow jobs, they would forget their problems/ mainly that they were elderly, at least for a few seconds. Kinda nice isn't it ;)
I really enjoy the podcast. My critique in listening to you two discuss this is it would be like someone discussing driving a car that had never driven. Have courage to jump in the deep end and see for yourself and then speak from personal experience.
When 5MEO DMT is smoked to breakthrough levels it was for me, heavier than all my forty years of combined experiences (awake and dreaming). There are things there that are impossible to imagine, and impossible to describe with words. It is not like any other psychedelic. It is not a recreational thing for fun. Asking someone to do it is like asking them if they want to die for about 30 minutes.
@@joelsmith4816 i dont think dmt is necessary but if you believe in an abrahamic religion you should probably do some type of psychedelic, every person on north centinal island is going to hell because they didn't accept christ as savior rip.
I’ve taken DmT several times in my life and the main difference for me between an intense acid experience is that it’s internal. While an acid experience changes your perception of the world around you (provided you have a visual experience not just a body high) if you do DMT right which to me is to close your eyes and relax you are at first feel like you’re experiencing an inner world that becomes engulfing to the point where sounds you may be hearing in the outside world are replaced completely by repeating subbase and visually the closest I can compare to is a pulsating Alex Grey painting. Some times I did experience “beings” who I wouldn’t describe as elves telling me some “truth” that breaks down to some very common sense things. Out of the 6 or 7 times I’ve done dmt I’ve had that experience perhaps 3 times. Many times it’s just glowing geometric shapes some times the DMT dosage was weak and the visual was fleeting. The experience is rather short with a euphoric feeling lasting afterward for an hour or two. I do think if are in a good state of mind DMT is an experience to be had. I do not think it changes your consciousness or you as a person. It’s fascinating that this is taking place in your mind but after 10 minutes you’re not transformed into some meta human. I would love to see if Sam experiments with it at some point and get his take on it.
Acid trips were insane back in the late 90s…shit was very strong….I took 21 hits of something called Cherry Bombs and saw the craziest shit, and still 3 days laters was looking in the mirror and literally watching my face melt and fall apart…shit is unsettling, lol
Maybe worth exploring whether the DMT elves and other visions experienced are not actually self generated by those who've been pre- influenced by material they've watched or read about. The only way I can think of to dispel such a possibility would be to test a subject who'd never been exposed to another's experiences and would therefore have no preconceptions. It would also be interesting to hear a totally blind persons account of what they experience after using.
its kind of annoying to hear sam dismiss the alien-ness of the experience, and equating it to dreams while he has never tried it himself. "Experience" is the key word here. At least some of those who have done DMT have also had dreams, yet not a single one of them liken it to a dream.
What I've found with dreams is the landscapes in them aren't entirely new worlds, there mixture of places I've been but rearranged with other places I've been. So my mind has created somewhere totally different, If that ankes semse
I liken my DMT trips to dreams in one specific way. It’s the way the memories of the trip stay with you afterwards. The memories from dreams are fleeting and sort of atomized and this is very similar to DMT. I have vivid snapshots of things I’ve experienced on DMT but the majority of the trips are blurry and vague in my mind now.
@Phillip hanna Exactly this. The only way I’ve been able to describe the feeling is like you said, alien. Not at all like a dream, in fact, it’s more real.
Lex: "What are your thoughts on DMT" Sam: "I haven't taken DMT" Lex: "What about these elves? What if we redefine the word 'traveling?'" Sam: "Hmm." *Clip ends*
Lots of people are criticising Sam here as if he couldn't possibly have anything to say because he hasn't directly experienced DMT, but he has done a shit load of psychedelics and is a neuroscientist so I feel like everyone is jumping the gun a bit.
Salvia did a similar thing, though I didn't see it as elves but interpreted it as rows of little houses, red cubes with green pyramid shaped tops. I saw this as being the building blocks of reality. When the trip first began i started to feel as though I was a part of everything. But not in the metaphorical way, I physically felt as though I was a tiny piece and the space around me became solid, like I was a little pixel stuck around other pixels. This was when I was starting to feel and struggle against my awareness being detached from my sense of self, my ego. At the height of the trip I began to panic intensely because I couldn't put anything into words and then suddenly like a foghorn the thought came to me,"I think therefore I am" That brought me back to reality. Anyone else tripping if you can remember that you'll be fine
Was tripping on mdma and lsd and remember closing my eyes and seeing a green-ish upside down pyramid, slowly rotating clockwise on its point, perfectly balanced on a silver sphere. No idea what tf it was or what it means but that image is still vivid in my mind.
Only people who haven't experienced a breakthrough DMT trip think that you can reason about it, use neuroscience etc. You can't. It's entirely inexplicable by the materialist paradigm. IF you want to talk about it, just do it already.
Lex is using his mind to explore possibilities. Sam is using his mind to explore reducing the possibilties of phenomena. Still, an interesting conversation.
Sam needs to experience what it's like to stand stand in awe of the grandeur of reality and perceive all the ways he might be wrong and realize that the implicit assumptions he is making about nature are one small piece of an infinite landscape of possibility.
@@andyb2977He has taken MDMA and mushrooms and spent a cumulative 2 years on meditation retreat. I don’t think he’s as psychologically or spiritually impoverished as you might be imagining 😊
The 'bottle, foil and elastic band' method ensures everything is inhaled in one hit. Can't believe either of these people still haven't tried it - it's definitely their kind of thing! I was met by an elf that transported me into a 'space station computer' which blew my mind. Then I was lead into different dimensions, each time making the 'space station computer' and the previous dimension seem less and less mind-blowing. Worlds within worlds. Nothing in life is more profound than a fully blown DMT trip.
It's fascinating to see how high in the trait of openness Lex seems to be. I imagine he's off the charts in that category. He displays more openness than any guest I've seen him interview.
Well lex asked it and he talked about what he has heard and simply talked About it. Also the first thing that he mentioned is that he hasn't infact taken it..that's honest. It's not like he wants everyone to think he has taken it. You are making "absurd" demands here. They are simply having a conversation my friend.
this is good publicity for DMT and it’s great to hear Sam referencing Mckenna, but ultimately somewhat empty due to the fact that not one person with a microphone has had a DMT experience
love the description of "traveling" at the end of the clip, "what if traveling is something like we do with psychedelics and meet the elves; what if thinking or the space of ideas, as we kind of grow and think through ideas, that's traveling. Or what if memories is traveling."
I would argue that just because we can dream doesn’t mean that dmt is nothing divine or spiritual. If we are spiritual beings then surely we could do or tap into a divine or spiritual realm (like dreaming). And just because we can hold dmt in our hand and it’s a physical thing doesn’t mean that it’s not a divine or spiritual thing. Surely if we are such then we could hold such a thing in our hands. And just because we can put anything under a microscope and break it down into its smaller components doesn’t make it any less a spiritual thing. If you look of course you’re going to find something because you’re creating it. Create the technology to look deeper into a quark and still you’ll find something.
I've been tracking my dreams for over 40 years and am well familiar with psychedelic experiences. There are some curious similarities between DMT experience and dreams and some significant differences. In dreams, when we become submersed in the experience of being in another place there is often an encounter with something or someone that is out of place and the dream narrative seems to be a process of reconciling that. With DMT experiences however, we are often the object or person that is out of place and what we encounter seems to have a reality or narrative already in motion that we either observe or become swept away within. And with DMT what is encountered becomes transformed the more it is engaged or observed.
"with DMT what is encountered becomes transformed the more it is engaged or observed" ...that's what a summer of LSD tripping did to me and my consciousness. The deeper I got made me understand that no moment or situation is what it used to present itself as. Listening to this segment makes me wonder what DMT would have done or brought to me back then..
I had dreams where I had found dozens of books, comics, and world maps that were on the bookshelf or dreams where I get handed books from other people and they stayed the same. And they were all so rich in information, details, and colors, that was unbelievable astonishing and profound. You scroll over 200 different pages and they got diagrams, colorful borders, Hebraic letters, and a table of contents and the time reading were not chaotic. I could read it with high clarity and an undisturbed time frame of like 5-10 minutes. But of course, I also got dreams, where the content changed when you go back to the previous pages.
I experimented with psychedelic mushrooms on a weekly basis for about 3 months twenty years ago. During that time and for a few weeks afterwards I was able to have lucid dreams. It was so enjoyable and profound. The mushrooms, I believe, unlocked a portal for me to access this power. I’ve never had them since, neither mushrooms nor lucid dreams.
It's your inner self. It's a representation of the oh so complex mechanics, processes and intelligence on a cellular and biochemical level. The entities are parts of yourself (of what you normally experience as you, thinking as a single mind or in form of an inner dialog). It's like your cells talking to you. The message is: Love yourself. Life is beautiful, biology is. Love your life. Care for life, not for wealth or fame.
The analogy with the experience of dreaming is probably the best way to discuss and consider the "realness" of the psychedelic experience and what can be expected from it beyond a simple emotional ride. For example, on the experience of reaching a higher level of consciousness or experiencing a "genius insight", the explanation is most likely in how such emotional experience is in fact completely detached from actual content. Our conscious mind is rigged to link the two, ie, believe that we can't experience such an emotion that comes with a bright insight without actual content. However, what may in effect be happening is that the neuronal networks involved in the emotion might be running in parallel, but separate from any actual cogent content. It is thus probably a misconception on our part to believe when we wake up that we had this moment of genius or great idea or great song, etc. during a dream, and wish we could remember it. In fact we only had the emotional experience of such a "genius insight", and the content we believe was the trigger and we wish we could remember was never there in the first place. A potential proof point is to compare this with the "genius insights" that occur when under the influence of cannabis or cocaine, which generate new connections previously unseen, ie, an insight. Any external observer who's not partaking will see any such "genius insight" as total bonkers. So the idea that psychedelics could induce some higher level of cognition that can produce superior insights should be assessed with this caveat in mind. But having the experience of reaching a higher plane of understanding ("it's all connected!") is still pretty good in and out of itself. It's just a question of managing expectations. :-)
I vividly remember dreams and am a lucid dreamer so i can control my dreams...but i will say as someone who's done DMT and psychedelics many times, it does not appear that the visuals or experience comes from something in my own mind. Because dreams for me look like reality. Psychedelics and especially DMT look other worldly almost. DMT appears to be a window into another dimension or realm that we cannot otherwise see or connect to. It does not look like a dream and I have NEVER dreamt of such things that you see in Psychedelic states. So while our brains may produce DMT in the pineal gland meant to assist us in dreaming, i don' think that DMT in our brains creates the illusion from psychedelics. They truly are magical substances that deserve way more funding and research. They are very special plant medicines and DMT is probably the most special compound found on our planet. Where mushrooms feel Earthly, DMT feels very much like it's from another plant or dimension.
Anyone who seriously wants to explore what consciousness is at a fundamental level needs to explore the dmt experience for themselves and not just try to interpret others inadequate descriptions. Once they do, they will instantly understand how silly this conversation is.
That the brain can create "other entities" is not that remarkable, the same happens in dreams or hypnopompic hallucinations. A better question for Sam is: HOW DOES the brain create the higher-dimensional worlds in DMT (that are at least 4D, but many people say are above 4D, from 5D-8D)? The experience can be like being in a fractional universe, where you are in multiple timelines going on at the same time. Our brains evolved solely for 3D.
He says about dreaming, but I'm pretty sure every person you see in a dream is someone you have already met or seen. Kind of debunks his theory that dreaming is the same as seeing elves and other beings when hallucinating
During my DMT trip I saw a gigantic grand being infusing energy into the earth and he did not look happy to see I was there but his face was like an eagle or a falcon. By the way this is after I was escorted to some sort of cave by Teletubbies. I dont know either. They weren't that while on the trip but now in my mind they are Teletubbies. They took me to a cave that had all these people waiting to get in this pulsing cave. There was someone guiding everyone in. The cave was as big or as small as you wanted it to be. I couldn't perceive how big it was. I got transported to some sort of area with a big blooming flower in a great big ol field. The flower was so damn stunning. It reached up to the sky. It fell like the first flower or something. I don't know bro. I look through this peephole that just appeared out of nowhere and thats when I saw the bird God looking guy infusing a whole bunch of energy in the earth. Over the bird God was another God that looked like the Colossal titan from attack on titan. It wasnt that while I was there but its that now because I cant remember its face. It was as big or as small as I wanted it to be. I could see across the whole surface of it and its surface extended endlessly. There was no boundaries to it but It was still it somehow. Idk man. Then it proceeded to eat me over a billion times continuously. It was surreal and calming like I wanted to be eaten by it. Bro the drug makes you so calm with everything you are seeing. I wouldn't take DMT again because I just needed a little proof. I didnt need all of that bro Jesus I thought I was just gonna see some Egyptian shit. I aint know nothing bout no damn infinite vision or no telepathy. Or no big ass important flowers. I just thought I was gonna see Jesus or some loved ones. Maaaaaaan dont take that shit lol just stay human because once you take that shit. You cant unsee that shit. Plus right now you are a human. The main message I got was to stop seeking answers and just be happy to be alive. I also felt this overwhelming since of everything is taken care of so just sit back and relax. Just coast and stay happy, and appreciate everything. There is no knowing God. That very phrase is a paradox.
I have tried doing Mathematics while on LSD and I can confirm it is impossible. while I was attempting to do equations though something cool happens. The numbers and letters started forming geometric shapes and interesting patterns started to immerge.
With regards to reading in dreams, only people with highly developed language centers in the brain can actually read or perceive spoken language in a dream state. It's a common ability among writers and poets. My personal record for the longest word I've read in my dreams was seven syllables, but I can read entire articles in dreams.
Lately I’ve been hearing speech in my dreams. More intriguingly I’ve also been hearing music and I mean deep, rich and loud music as though I had headphones on. It’s a fairly new development. I have a few sleeping disorders as well, I suffer bouts of insomnia and also sleeping paralysis. I’ve had episodes where I’ve woken up with my eyes wide open paralysed, unable to move or speak and seen only what I can describe as a ghost bride hovering at the bottom of my bed. In addition to this I also see faces before I fall asleep at night, some of them have the appearance of looking through a photographs negative image, others are so completely real I could swear someone or something is watching me. Anyway it’s crazy what your own brain can put your through
Yes, I too have read that theory years ago, but I've always thought it to be incorrect. I say this because I quite often; have conversations, hear music, and read during my dreams. And I consider myself a monkey, as in I don't believe myself to be "highly developed" in any area of intellect.
It’s more with regards to your neurological development than your intellect in my view. I started reading in my dreams after a very intense acid trip when I was a teenager. During the trip, my language centers were clearly being affected as I effectively lost 99% of my vocabulary for several hours, but I’m also a lifelong writer and I noticed that my ability to write creatively became incredibly advanced after that experience.
@@alexandra_isabel_official Interesting, I myself have never done an acid trip so I don't know what effect it has on dreaming but I still read, hear music, and have conversations in my dreams. I keep a notepad next to my bed and write down everything I remember, it's a fun habit to have. There is still so much unknown about dreams, it's a fascinating subject.
I have conversations all the time in my dreams, the ones I remember most are with my late wife. I also hear music in my dreams and sometimes I wake up with that music still in my mind and I hum or sing the tune into a recording device, usually my phone. I'm a songwriter by the way.
Who's read the case against DMT elves? James kent . Any programmer can tell you that a single line of code consisting of only a few characters can drastically alter the way your screen presents the data coming from your video card. It can make the screen flicker, blink, warp, twist, or fall into infinitely recursive fractalline chaos. When this happens is your monitor now displaying an "alternate reality" or "parallel dimension"? No, it is not. It is simply taking the same old data and processing it with a new factor in the base algorithm (disruption/excitement at the 5HT2A receptor). Even a very small tweak could produce dramatic results. Since the sensory processing system is so delicate, any abrupt chemical perturbation can cause it to become excited, unstable, or fall into chaos. When the visual system is disrupted for any reason we get phosphene activity, which is the visual system's version of a "ringing in the ears." Phosphene activity is chaotic, but as we all know chaos does not produce random noise, it is familiar and predictable, and produces some damn trippy patterns.
Thank you. This shit is bizzare to watch. Sam Harris is a low key pseudo intellectual. Just a reader and thinker. I got 200 trips under my belt. This shit sounds like two people who never fought talking about a psychology of a UFC Title fight.
@@ApexSapien Playing devil's advocate here; but haven't both of these men experienced a side of reality that you'll never experience? I doubt they'd throw shade your way. Don't give people reason to avoid the positivities that come with trips. Experiencing riveting altered states of consciousness shouldn't bring you to criticize those avoiding the plunge.
Is direct personal experience the only perspective relevant to the conversation though? Might it not be the case that e.g. a sociologist could contribute usefully to conversations about race or wealth inequality even if they themselves are not poor or black? In the case of psychedelics, Sam has taken loads of them, even if not DMT specifically, and he is a neuroscientist, so it seems possible that he might be able to give some interesting input to the topic.
@NolanEP sounds like excuses....... In layman's terms. If he so smart just take the drug, then talk about it. Why the need for 12 mins of an guy talking about something he has no experience with. Thats pseudo intellectual horse bleep.
That's a dumb argument. They are simply expressing they are curious about it and a lot of people who haven't done DMT but have done other psychedelics like LSD and magic mushrooms are certainly very curious about DMT having listened to people like Terrence McKenna. It's just a curiosity driven conversion. At no point in the conversation did either of them try to suggest they are an authority on it or that they have done it. So stop your whining.
Everyone who talks about doing DMT talks about some elf/wizard/gnome people making something. None of those descriptions ever seem to be married to reality. I feel these people forget that just because they experienced a trip, doesn't mean they fully understand what they experienced. Hallucinations are regularly referred to as a reality beyond reality, yet the people hallucinating always forget that they've been taking HALLUCINOGENS. Quite literally defined as something that divorces you from reality. Not to detract from the experience (which I myself have never done, admittedly), but these guys need to carry the context with them throughout or submit themselves to some neura-link webcam.
Lex, have you read much about Pythagoras? He spent 25 years in Egypt and was initiated into many secret societies in the east. The Pythagorean theorem is referencing the gnomon, the geometric map to time and growth, phi. The Platonic solids, which come from Egypt, show the different stages of tetrahedra in formation as they grown and contract to create the material world. Check out “homage to Pythagoras” book, the kybalion, buckminster fuller, and look at Nassim’s work. Note: Oneness can sometimes be intimidating because it ultimately means giving up the self. DMT will show you these truths, but often can give you too much information making it hard to be in a human body afterwards if you didn’t reach a certain level of understanding prior to it to help integrate. There is a reason why we forgot. Knowledge comes from your mind/brain, books, and people. Wisdom does not come in English/language, it comes through induction only. Physics will soon discover the other 6 quarks and their anti quarks, and will come to discover much more. Much love, good luck, remember some boxes can’t be closed once open.
One thing to take away is that there IS a personal, physical reality...you can imagine "other" and extrapolate on your dream/drug altered moment but you WILL be back in Reality at some point no matter how altered by the dream/drug experience. Too much time is wasted on hopefully thinking there is a "god" or an "elf" or a "guide" when really it is all the unique "YOU" to be discovered.
Coming up on 2 years ago when I was hospitalized with viral pneumonia (OK, COVID) from November 2nd through the 13th of 2022. I was placed in a medically induced coma for the first 36 hours where I was visited by a group of wonderful beings. The Ketamine Elves. Admitting myself to the hospital with no insurance to speak of I naturally had the usual trepidation and worry about how I was going to pay the hospital bill for this stay. 13 days with full COVID (remdesivir, Lovenox, ventilated etc...) protocol. At some point after I went under The Elves came to me. They perceived my concern and told me to stop worrying about it and to simply accept that the bill had already been taken care of. I was happy about that and went on watching them play. Their faces would morph into various states of beautiful, psychedelic visages that instilled a completely fearless, calm, and peaceful state. All the while a soundtrack of psychedelic music was playing. Nothing coherent, just a (for lack of a better word) cacophonous roller coaster of sounds. Buzzing, whirring, whistles, chirps, clicks, screeches, clanking metal like the sound of hammers on anvils, humming etc... I had a sense of being able to taste the sounds and the colors I was experiencing were like nothing I've ever experienced in a conscious state. I was in bad shape but had no awareness that I was dying. I was calm and relaxed. My blood oxygen level had dropped down to 72% on three separate occasions during that first 36 hour period while I was under. I surmised that it was during those NDE times that the worry about the bill started creeping into my awareness again. When that happened, when I started doubting them The Elves would get upset with me. Their otherwise cheerful smiling faces would begin morphing into more and more hideous looking creatures. I would get frightened but they remained patient and compassionate with me. After their stern but gentle reassurances I would eventually start coming back to the peace where they would then morph back into their previously beautiful cheerful selves. But every time I started slipping back into worry about the bill they'd change back into these horrific critters again and on the last time they all gathered around me in what was an infinite sea of these hideous-looking entities and right in my face they all screamed in unison in an ear-shattering chorus: "IT WON'T WORK IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE!!!" I was never vaccinated and I survived those 13 days and two years on at the age of 66 I look better and feel better than I did when I was 50. I beat these Deep State fuckernauts! They couldn't kill me. I feel invincible. The really cool part of it all happened in early February of 2023. I had received a letter from the hospital informing me that the entirety of my $108,935.38 hospital bill had been canceled. I trust my Elves implicitly!
6:36 Okay hear me out... I have actually had a dream where I met Sam Harris. I was on a dock from a local beach, and I jumped off into the water and was swimming. My dog jumped in too, and then turned into a small ferret, which I accepted as normal. I got back onto the dock from the water and dried off. A small dinghy with two people was pulling up to the dock, and I realized it was Sam Harris and his wife Annaka (who I've never seen videos of, only an audio podcast, so I was just imagining what she looked like). I yelled "Hey Sam! Sam!". Annaka looked over and said "Is that Jake?" I walked over to say hi, and they invited me onto the dinghy. Sam and Annaka untied the dinghy from the dock, and started the zodiac motor to drift away. On the boat, Annaka was asking me what I've been up to. I told her about my behavioural neuroscience degree at UBC, my interest in psychiatry, and the work I've done with my volunteer group. I was hoping to talk to Sam a bit more but he wasn't too talkative. We had interesting philosophical conversations as we boated around the ocean, and docked on an undiscovered beach on a random island. That's around when I either woke up, or the context of the dream changed entirely into a new situation. As soon as I woke up I wrote the dream into the dream journal I keep next to my bed, which has lots of documented dreams by now. This was the first dream I can remember where I met a celebrity. I even told my brother about it since it was so cool, and he laughed. When I heard Sam tell Lex that it would be more likely for people to dream of him than meet him in a psychedelic experience, I was blown away. I felt like I needed to share how this was actually true for me. If only Lex had been on the boat with us too :( I guess I'll have to try to lucid dream more to make it happen, or maybe one day I'll be able to meet them in real life on their podcast or mine? I've got big dreams you could say. Please upvote this comment, since I want Lex or Sam to see how what they said at 6:36 was true.
Countless people who have done dmt describe seeing colours that don’t exist, 4D shapes, basically just things they’ve literally never seen or even thought about before. In a dream, you CAN create a lot of incredibly intricate and fantastical things just in your head, but its all based on things you’ve seen before. It’s impossible to dream up something that hasn’t been seen before. That’s why we don’t wake up from a dream with our minds completely blown, apart from the odd sleep paralysis or out of body experience. It’s like how AI can only create based on what it has “experienced”. It chops everything into little parts and then rearranges based on the input. We can relate everything it creates to something in real life. People who have done dmt will use human language to try to describe what they saw or experienced, but will often mention that there are no words to describe. Nothing to compare it to. That doesn’t happen in dreams.
(Do not try DMT, speak to your Doctor first please) That is a very good painting on the thumbnail used to describe the DMT trip. It’s a couple minutes of intense lights and patterns and then it’s over as fast as it started.
I started listening to lectures and reading Jung the past year and to say his teachings have blown me away and radically changed how I view myself, others and the world at large is a radical understatement. Especially once you have a grasp on his work and start delving into the Red Book, I was totally levelled when I read into the “Cabiri beings” he encountered during one of his hypnogogic states and how similar their descriptions are of Machine Elves/DMT beings. The implications of their potential existence alone is probably one of the most profound pieces of knowledge mankind could ever know, let alone what their reason for existing and the role they play in human behaviour or reality in general. I can’t help but feel people will be looking back on Jung in centuries to come and realise how radically before his time that man was, theres a reason the Red Book wasn’t published until 50 years after his death in 2009
I will say it is very hard for any atheist to smoke DMT and have the full experience and then still be confident In his previous materialistic point of view, Terence McKenna makes this point very clear: DMT is phenomenologically impossible from a materialistic paradigm.
"Well I did end up taking DMT, and much to my astonishment, I realized it is entirely possible for one self to forget that it is one self by dividing itself into many selves that it can interact with, I am God, effectively" - Sam Harris
@@15minuteenlightenment41 due to personal experiential bias, I'd have to parse that as 'god' with a small 'g' and parentheses, but otherwise- yeah! (I've developed my own shorthand when it comes to matters 'spiritual'- 'QMI'; Quote Marks Inherent. Makes for complicates conversations but works for me(nearly fell out with some body on here today due to misinterpretation...). Congrats again on the post.
We get transported in the unconscious part of our brains where we dream. In a dream, when you see dead relatives or experience monumentally different scenarios and you awake, you dont freak out, you remain unchanged like they mentioned. The machine elves come from the stories of whomever first experienced these entities, it gets passed along like myths and legends. Those curious in DMT or tripping in general, usually research what the experience is, and from there they get the entity idea planted What I want to really know now, is if there has been someone who has NEVER heard of DMT or machine elves, who has an experience and encounters elves. Im sure there are, but most experiences have been tainted by others experiences.
Same. Ive never seen these elves everyone talks about. Ive done plenty of psychedelics in the last 35 years but dmt was on anotner level, it was bananas no doubt.
We need more neuroscientists to take DMT or try Indian deep meditation to try these areas of consciousness. We need more research on this and apply the 3 steps of scientific method to it. Otherwise, hearing about it from a fanatic is same as hearing about God/s hallucinations from a religious fanatic. In both those cases, we generally face backlashes when we try to question them or analyse the situations critically.
I remember reading that Ram Dass teacher took concentrated pills and he said “oh so that’s what this is, it’s nice. But meditation is better.” Apparently according to this guru and some others, you can self-induce the experience.
You've just given me insight. I've been meditating for the last 3yrs and sometimes my system automatically does conscious breathing. What I observed is there is discontinuity to my thought patterns. I dont know if its for the better or worse since my linear mind gets frustrated trying to find out what should be my emotional state. It stops and it stops. There isn't prolonged state in my mind and its hard to form any concrete identity for myself and predictability of others. Sure, any form of story I could conjure could be changed altogether. There is and there is not. Everything could be rearranged and yet I think I could not adhere to society, its no use. I dont know what to do with this. its so booooring
You are just realizing that reality is a very fragmented thing. All sensory input and our thinking itself is by its nature fragmented. Its the mind that creates a sense of continuity, a storyline, so to speak, which is illusory. When you meditate you can sometimes see through this illusion. Especially when practicing insight meditation, like vipassana. This is a good thing. It means you are seeing reality as it is: transigent and devoid of self. Combine this with practicing compassion and you are on your way to enlightenment :)
His hypothesis, while not based on full experience, is compelling to some degree. Some things to consider are: 1) Consistency of experiences. E.g. People report interacting with the same entities. This happens with people who have never met one another, had never heard of other people's experiences prior (obviously some had heard of previous experiences, but not all). And it seems to happen across a very wide geographic range. 2) The vivid colours. There is a perception of colours which we don't see in our lives (and impossible to convey for that reason). These are not colours which I've ever experienced in dreams, and seem to be limited to dmt. 3) The characteristic "smell" (something akin to burnt coffee) and hummm which envelopes/overcomes a person at the onset of the experience. It is a curious constant. I don't know what any of that means, but think they are observations worth considering when trying to discuss and rationalize the experience.
I have read a wide range of DMT experiences and I do not agree with your "points". Many times people's preconceptions and knowledge "seep" into their DMT experiences. I mean just look at the famous Latin American artist who painted DMT visuals from his experience and what people told him. It's related to jungles animals etc. who would have thought? LOL! I'm pretty sure people on DMT 2000 years ago did not see "machine elves". Also this coffee smell you mention is the first time I hear this. LOL Joe Rogan is probably the guy who talks most about DMT out of anyone today and HE DOESNT MENTION IT. The "sound" is also not a constant, some describe it like a hummm or a loud trumpet or a siren. NOT THAT SIMILAR. Some don't mention hearing a sound. So, no, your "points" aren't really constants sorry.
I have no idea why you invested your energy in writing that. It's like you went looking for an online debate. Nothing you wrote is interesting or even engaging.
@@ianfleischhacker6154 Ian, perhaps you should think about why it is not engaging(to you)? Is it because it doesn't confirm your preexisting biases? Invalidates your knowledge? You wrote a public comment, people can engage. Debates can help too. How are you going to arrive at the truth if you continously operate within a framework and scoff when someone points out fallacies? I offered challenge(s) to test your theory/points and delve deeper into the topic. I understand it seemed confrontational at first. It was, to an extent(confront the strength of claims) but please don't take it personal. The reason being, is because I don't like it when people jump to conclusions and that seemed what you were doing is all. Cheers.
@@theTranscendentOnes Your inability to be succinct says you have no point. You're just writing to say "I think you're wrong." And it's quite possible you're right. But so what? Your style of communication isn't engaging to me. Ponder that or don't. Please, have the last word, and have a good day.
@@ianfleischhacker6154 Your inability to separate succintness/simplicity from whether a point is made is telling. Advice: Stretch your Mind a bit. Thank you for your advice to me. Have a Great day
I think Lex or Joe or someone needs to finally get Tom Campbell on a podcast and get his take on reality and his theory of everything. If Lex can entertain Donald Hoffman, Tom Campbell paints a more clear and precise picture that is easier to digest...
I originally heard "It's impossible to read anything while dreaming. Go ahead, try it, it's not possible." multiple, multiple times and can confirm that isn't true, as well as seeing a clock but not being able to tell what time it is, this coming from someone who isn't a lucid dreamer, but I do dream basically every night and actually tend to remember it for a little while after waking up, as I've read something in a dream and later woke up to write them down as lyric ideas. Not saying it was quality or potentially usable stuff by any means >> But this is the first time I've heard about the text changing if you look away and look back. Slightly curious about that now. Wouldn't be surprised though, as in my experience the entire sort of "dream world" is constantly changing.
How so ? He admitted he never even tried DMT. And there's no evidence that dreams and DMT are even remotely connected, so i don't know why he's comparing them, they are completely different experiences.
@@Funkadelick he’s a very strong thinker on altered brain states, consciousness, and how we thinks about the relationship between subjectivity and objective reality.
the dimmer switch on lights in lucid dreams is interesting to me. I lucid dream maybe once a month and it almost always starts with me realizing im in a dream but it is too dark so i start flipping on light switches everywhere so i can see but no matter how many lights i turn on they are all just too dim for me to really make out what i am seeing. The frustration of all the lights not being bright enough in my dream is what clues me into the fact that i am dreaming.
My intuition is that machine elves built this dimension. My girlfriend and I laid down on the pillow in bed and things became translucent and I could literally see them working on our brains when we were laying there in and out of sleep.
thats what interests me about it. your mind doesn't feel like it on a drug but ur blasted into what sounds like the dream world. when I dream if I'm not aware during the entire dream that I'm dreaming ill become aware that im dreaming within the dream at some point. how exactly I know is beyond me, but reality testing rings bells. how far back does my memory go, do I have a body even, how did I get here? one thing to always remember is that if people are trying to mess with your sense of reality or memory...they are NOT your friend
why do you ask deep DMT questions to a guy who didn´t even take it? For us who have taken it, this is a little insulting Grow some balls, do ayahuasca and then we talk
To do abstract math requires a certain quietude of the mind that allows for that degree of focus. LSD tends to be a rather "busy" experience for the mind, so that kind of concentration becomes difficult. But, a temporary loss of math abilities seems trivial when compared to the philosophical and artistic insights attested to.
Haven't done DMT but even I know from reading the experiences that it's nothing like a dream. If Sam did try DMT and had the most profound experience ever, I'm sure even then he would be able to rationalize that it's just his mind conjuring up stuff. He's a hard-core materialist.
He was just saying that the experience comes from within. Our minds create the experience. We're not actually sent anywhere. The mind is a beautiful thing.
@@JesseSwaney that’s honestly debatable… it’s impossible for him to say when he hasn’t tried it. Taken all sorts of hallucinogens except peyote and all my friends never had anything close to similar visuals. DMT has such a common baseline even though the experience’s are unique the entities are definitely dimensional regardless wether you believe it or not IMHO.
@@greg6162 it doesn't matter if he tried it or not. he's pointing out the fact it's possible for our minds to come up with that sort of stuff. our brains are powerful and there's no reason to think they can't hallucinate an intense experience that's "convincing".
Dimmer switch because we witness the slow unfolding of time but our conscious mind sews up lil details like that. Our brains actually experiences the light traveling, it just filters that part of the awareness out.
Hmm, Sounds like to me that Sam Harris is ducking doing DMT , because it might call into question his whole belief structure! For years he has been open to doing a DMT trip , but has never done it.
He's a fraud, ofc he wont be an atheist no more, i was a hardcore atheist, after experiencing an ego death from a high dose of LSD, god never leaves my mind now,i can see him everywhere!
Every time I try to read something in lucid Dreaming, it changes right when I think i am about to read it, and can never read it. Another thing is that i can never write a text message or dial a phone. Right there I realize that I am lucid Dreaming. I also feel like i can close my eyes, but I keep seeing things. I have also experience a lot the sleep paralysis, the sound like your windows are vibrating like there is a UFO outside or something, the feeling of levitation and someone on top of me or around, breathing or whispering on my ears. If you try to jump and sit on the bed, you can get ou of it, but sometimes it takes a few tries and if you don't know what is happening, it will freak you out.
So many people get the machine ELF wrong. Terrence Mckenna explains in detail what it looks like from the book Archaic Revival. It is a vortex of infinite choices. It looks like a infinite hexagonal “thing” of love. Very similar in looks those amazing ceilings in mosques that are 3d.
You really can’t compare the psychedelic state to the state of dreaming. Dream states are full of your own culture, full of people you know or have seen before, doing things you’ve heard of. Psychedelics are something completely different.
@@generalwasteman That specific instance isn’t what I’m talking about - flying around or hanging out with a celebrity in dreams isn’t remotely comparable with a breakthrough psychedelic state. It’s completely alien to our reality
You can also dream or hallucinate that you've had a profound insight. When you, arguably in the cold light of day, have not. Isn't this the foundation of hallucinations or dreams? Thinking things that haven't actually occurred? The profundity of the thought is the dream/hallucination in itself: It not having a substance or leading process of actualisation. You've just been fooled by your own brain: it's a dream/hallucination..
The only similarity I can think of is that for me, afterwards it feels like waking from a dream. The memories of the trip are often vague and fleeting and only brief snapshots stay with me for a long time.
Leo !! Leo!! He never said this! @6:48 I quote him saying: "With psychedelics you don't tend to hallucinate in a dream-like way. DMT is giving you an experience of others, but it seems to be non-standard. It not just like dream hallucinations..."
Sam is one dmt trip away from realizing Ben stiller is his brother... lol
@@YearsOVDecay1 I'm Well aware. I risked seeming banal in order to make a few people smile. I hope your "how original" comment makes some people feel good too.
I didn’t know he mentioned it and I got a great laugh out it. Thank you kind soul ❤️
@@YearsOVDecay1 When Cybertrucks and Plaids begin roaming the wild and BMW and Ford Raptor owners realize their vehicles have erectile dysfunctionality tsla stonk will reign Supreme.
NFT beats you literally killed this man with kindness. godspeed soldier.
@@_eddiecole it made me laugh, well done lol
I experienced DMT twice. The first time i smoked it slowly because I didn't know how powerful it was. It was an amazing visual trip. It lasted around 20 minutes. However, the second time has been the most revealing psychedelic trip of my life. I closed my eyes to try to explore my mind and I instinctively experienced what "death" is. I just knew it. I remember I could be anywhere in time, I didn't have a body but I was self-aware of that. If that was death, it was an amazing place to go to when we die. It was an undescribable feeling of peace.
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I used psychedelics to help me solve a health issue doctors couldn’t find out (solved 80% already). In the future doctors will be using DMT and psilocybin as a means for a patient to hear his own body and find clues about his disease and how to solve it.
This is true when i have deep mushroom trips then eat during the trip(yeah i can eat on mushrooms prolly munchies from the weed) i can feel where the food is in my digestive track its pretty wrird
In the USA they have been using MDMA for PTSD with a very high success rate. I mention it to my Trauma councillor, for my PTSD and he dismissed it straight away, and does so every time. I've been seeing him for over a year now and were getting nowhere with all the methods he trys...
@@Raydondo62 Find a new councilor!!
I saw and felt my entire nervous system on a trip. On another my friend and I could understand each others thoughts without speaking. On another I could map where ethics were located on my physiological body. I also wrote my whole masters thesis over just a couple of days on mushrooms 🍄
What was the issue?
Sam Harris on DMT : "I haven't taken DMT"... ok then, that sums that up real quick.
Thank you. McKenna would suggest consumption, witnessing, then reporting.
@@ryansouthard4929 McKenna is probably the most profound lecturer I've ever listened to.
How about dont do drugs kids
Which is awesome as minutes before he was criticising intellectual bullshit artists.
@@billballinger5622 key word: "kids"
It's like listening to two blind men describing a sunset.
Foreals I’m 3 minutes in and just leads me to want to hear from someone who’s actually done it lol
@@mrcid5653. I know joe rogan has done it multiple times. Everyone thats ever takin it say its almost stupid to try and describe what theyve experienced in words
@@mrcid5653 terrence mckenna. great content out there on youtube. good one to start is about whether reality exists
@@drummerguy612 You can have an opinion on anything, and you a free to discuss that opinion with anybody. I did not say anything against this!
But for many things, direct experience helps, as it is through experience that we gain perspective. And I thought my comparison particularly apt, when dealing with a topic that is based in perception.
And just as you described, two blind men could only really talk about what others have described, rather than draw and interpret from direct experience. Which is what we see here - Again nothing wrong that they do - but my observation/comment also still holds true.
People who are really smart but never use them can often talk and remind you of a trip if their open minded to them but just a trip lands someone even smarter like alan watts or Carl Jung
I'm 57 years old and with those years I've amassed a fair few experiences of dreams and dreaming, some made such an impression upon me that I still recall them clearly, even from my youth. Not a single moment of a single dream was anything remotely similar to my dmt breakthrough. It was so completely alien and so utterly confounding in every single aspect that listening to anybody discussing the possibilities of it without any personal experience of it just seems so ridiculously pointless. We may as well imagine the experience of life as a snail but we'd really only be imagining it, I imagine?
I'm 38. Had a DMT breakthrough 2 years ago. I still think about it everyday. It changed my understanding of life and death, and it was the most amazing experience I've ever had. It cured a life long depression, burned all the negative shit from my soul. But yeah I kinda agree with you, people who have not experienced it have no idea how utterly reality shattering it is..
@@killyourego1185 hear me out and let me know your thoughts..
So we have dmt which triggers the brain in to psychedelic trips.
This is where you find a cure for your depression? How?
We have dreams which is believe that the brain releases dmt. Some think and believe that some dreams are meaningful or even God given.
We have deja vu which I have experience my self. Don’t know how it even happens neither do we have experts on it.
We also have spiritual encounters either with angels or demons. Which I had my share ..
So I’m here now it’s 2022 I’m trying to figure out what’s the deal with DMT .. using drugs to trigger your brain into stuff now sure how this could be helpful or a disaster
@@gustavovillatoro7970 Well, psychedelics have been used throughout the history of human kind. Some believe it was the starting point of religion, or that early human consumption of them triggered an advance in human consciousness that "woke" us up. Either way we now know through clinical research that certain psychedelics such as psilocybin and dmt breakdown your default mode network and allows you to rewire neural pathways in your brain, thus being able to work through and let go of trauma, grief, guilt, whatever is holding you back from a good life. You can easily verify this by simply looking it up. Here in Oregon they just legalized psilocybin therapy for people with bad depression, ptsd, end of life anxiety in dying cancer patients. The work that has been done in this field is groundbreaking and saving people's lives. It is the future of treatment for anxiety and depression. My experience with dmt has convinced me that "god" or whatever you want to call the energy that is consciousness, is very real, and we as humans are just having an experience to develop our understanding of what it means to be alive and exist. I've lost my fear of death, I can't unsee what i've been exposed to. Like you said dmt is produced in our brains, and i believe it is a chemical gateway to the other side..
@@killyourego1185 thank you for replying. very interesting. Let me do some searching on it. I’ll get back to ya.
yeah but for those of us that havent, all we can do is experience it vicariously through people that have done it.
so even if all you can describe is the life of a snail, thats way better than nothing
When Machine elves do DMT, they see Joe Rogan.
Hahahaha! 👏
Yes. And Chuck Norris was Joe Rogans karate coach.
And Alex Jones stops to talk to em for a little bit while they’re coming down from their trip
Leigh Raven is scammer
When DMT does Joe Rogan, it sees machine elves
I clicked, you had me at “transforming machine elves” lmaoooo
Same..
Self-transforming
I believe that "You had me at transforming machine elves" was the original line from "Jerry Maguire".
@@artvandelay3840 huh what you mean
Had me at ‘Sam on DMT” is the correct statement
Lucid dreaming was one of my top 5 experiences I've had. At first when I realize I was asleep I woke up but over time I got to the point where I could control anything I wanted inside my dream. And what a journey.
I've been in so deep with DMT , there's so much more beyond the "machine elves "
Report back. Brother!!!
when you really break through its impossible to really describe to someone who hasnt...even if they have lol its really hard to explain in detail what you saw bcuz u only remember bits...its kinda how everything makes sense on caps or lucy then you forget lol but so much bigger and deeper
Um,...I'm waiting......please feel free to continue....
I am also interested in the follow up on your journey
Can you elaborate?
Sam's point is just that DMT is similar to dreams in a way that we, our brains, are capable of producing very compelling hallucinations. He wasn't trying to describe the experience at all, but merely illustrating a part of it that CAN be misinterpreted.
It seems from the stories I’ve heard, the difference between dreams and DMT experiences is the limitations of knowledge of the “others.” In dreams, they’re limited by your own knowledge, and from what I’ve heard, the DMT others are somewhat like teachers with knowledge beyond the person experiencing the trip.
@@TheCho22 I get what you mean because I've felt this in my mushroom journey. And it was real as real can be. It's a bit tricky because your "knowledge" in the traditional sense is what's in your memories or in your waking consciousness. You may not "know" all the stuff beneath your biology but maybe it is something that can be tapped when under DMT. For example: the memory of the earth embedded in your genes, or that everything including yourself is vibration. But the degree of how real and vivid DMT is, I don't know anything about that.
@@nbst-nobstutorials5856 Very insightful response!
HOLY SHIT. LMAO. I take this back. I've just "seen" it. It doesn't make sense at all, it can't be understood. Basically language is a rookie's attempt of showing it to others. Unfortunately there really is no way to say it. All words are futile. The only hope is that it could point you to the right direction, and saying that isn't even quite right.
@@nbst-nobstutorials5856 I love this. Thanks for sharing!
When I worked with the elderly with either dementia or alzheimers there was a patient that talked about the elves in her room. Granted, I heard lots of nonsensical stuff over the years working with these kinds of patients but that one freaked me out.
Yes did u question
Holy shit
Yes I did, from what I remember she claimed they were in her room moving around and she wasnt afraid, more annoyed.This situation was different because she often said it. At first I was like ok, Ill keep an eye out for them (disagreeing with these patients only angers them). Then I thought gee maybe I should be for real lol.
you know I'm thinkin if you give the elderly blow jobs, they would forget their problems/ mainly that they were elderly, at least for a few seconds. Kinda nice isn't it ;)
@@countfloydschillerhorrorth2090 *_exhibit A:_* pictured here is person diagnosed with severe smooth brain currently suffering from its symptoms
Sam, please take DMT and report back! Everyone wants to hear you articulate the experience!
and for him to report back when its actually happening. lmao!
Why? DMT will shatter his worldview. So he'll either recant all his materialist dogma, or up his level of denial to industrial levels,
@@frankslade33 yup^
Shatter one view, and crystalize another.
Materialism is as pathetic as antimaterialism.
@@frankslade33 please can you explain the 'materialist dogma' to which he succumbs.
I really enjoy the podcast. My critique in listening to you two discuss this is it would be like someone discussing driving a car that had never driven. Have courage to jump in the deep end and see for yourself and then speak from personal experience.
Well Sam has used quite something drugs and does meditation. He just hasnt gotten to DMT yet, which he acknowledges
Ya he does heroic mushroom trips though. He’s still a ganster
@@marionow6227 Good deal..I didn't know that.
@@ilikedogs870 I was unaware he had, but glad to hear it!
Where can I get dmt bro seriously
Why is a guy who’s never had DMT talking about DMT
exactly
exactly
Probably from the perspective of his profession, isnt he a neurologist?
For the same reason that a psychiatrist doesn't need multiple personalities to be able to talk about them
I agree with your question
When 5MEO DMT is smoked to breakthrough levels it was for me, heavier than all my forty years of combined experiences (awake and dreaming). There are things there that are impossible to imagine, and impossible to describe with words. It is not like any other psychedelic. It is not a recreational thing for fun. Asking someone to do it is like asking them if they want to die for about 30 minutes.
well said.
Well 5 meo DMT is the way more intense version of DMT, congrats for at least experiencing that once in your life
A full-release 5-MeO-DMT journey-with full surrender to the medicine-is the most powerful, profound and beautiful experience humanly possible.
@@mattslev Just think what it will be like to spend eternity with the God who created this compound. Accept Christ as Savior.
@@joelsmith4816 i dont think dmt is necessary but if you believe in an abrahamic religion you should probably do some type of psychedelic, every person on north centinal island is going to hell because they didn't accept christ as savior rip.
I’ve taken DmT several times in my life and the main difference for me between an intense acid experience is that it’s internal. While an acid experience changes your perception of the world around you (provided you have a visual experience not just a body high) if you do DMT right which to me is to close your eyes and relax you are at first feel like you’re experiencing an inner world that becomes engulfing to the point where sounds you may be hearing in the outside world are replaced completely by repeating subbase and visually the closest I can compare to is a pulsating Alex Grey painting. Some times I did experience “beings” who I wouldn’t describe as elves telling me some “truth” that breaks down to some very common sense things. Out of the 6 or 7 times I’ve done dmt I’ve had that experience perhaps 3 times. Many times it’s just glowing geometric shapes some times the DMT dosage was weak and the visual was fleeting. The experience is rather short with a euphoric feeling lasting afterward for an hour or two.
I do think if are in a good state of mind DMT is an experience to be had. I do not think it changes your consciousness or you as a person. It’s fascinating that this is taking place in your mind but after 10 minutes you’re not transformed into some meta human.
I would love to see if Sam experiments with it at some point and get his take on it.
Acid trips were insane back in the late 90s…shit was very strong….I took 21 hits of something called Cherry Bombs and saw the craziest shit, and still 3 days laters was looking in the mirror and literally watching my face melt and fall apart…shit is unsettling, lol
Maybe worth exploring whether the DMT elves and other visions experienced are not actually self generated by those who've been pre- influenced by material they've watched or read about. The only way I can think of to dispel such a possibility would be to test a subject who'd never been exposed to another's experiences and would therefore have no preconceptions. It would also be interesting to hear a totally blind persons account of what they experience after using.
I saw what I saw(self transforming fractal humanoid) in 1999 and I never heard about any of this or told anyone else about it.
9:38 - I got scared for a minute, don't do meth on LSD. Just don't do meth period. I'm glad it was actually 'math' not 'meth'.
Don’t knock it if you haven’t tried it.
@@adamhawn2523 I've tried this. It sucks.
Doing math on LSD? Bro, I can hardly remember to pull my hot pocket out the microwave on LSD
I took an Organic chemistry test on acid once and it was very difficult to stay focused on steps LMAO
Once while tripping, I watched my sister, who was also tripping, attempt to do physics homework. Fun times!
I thought he said meth 😹
its kind of annoying to hear sam dismiss the alien-ness of the experience, and equating it to dreams while he has never tried it himself. "Experience" is the key word here. At least some of those who have done DMT have also had dreams, yet not a single one of them liken it to a dream.
At least he acknowledged he hasn’t done it himself 🤷🏻♂️
because it isnt, its an awakening. ;)
What I've found with dreams is the landscapes in them aren't entirely new worlds, there mixture of places I've been but rearranged with other places I've been. So my mind has created somewhere totally different, If that ankes semse
I liken my DMT trips to dreams in one specific way. It’s the way the memories of the trip stay with you afterwards. The memories from dreams are fleeting and sort of atomized and this is very similar to DMT. I have vivid snapshots of things I’ve experienced on DMT but the majority of the trips are blurry and vague in my mind now.
@Phillip hanna Exactly this. The only way I’ve been able to describe the feeling is like you said, alien. Not at all like a dream, in fact, it’s more real.
Lex: "What are your thoughts on DMT"
Sam: "I haven't taken DMT"
Lex: "What about these elves? What if we redefine the word 'traveling?'"
Sam: "Hmm."
*Clip ends*
Lots of people are criticising Sam here as if he couldn't possibly have anything to say because he hasn't directly experienced DMT, but he has done a shit load of psychedelics and is a neuroscientist so I feel like everyone is jumping the gun a bit.
Nah he's a virgin with an anatomy degree discussing sex.
“I wasn’t raped by a Jaguar, but I can’t say we’re entirely on platonic terms either.” Sam Harris describing his psilocybin trip
😂😂😂 wtf bro!!!
Salvia did a similar thing, though I didn't see it as elves but interpreted it as rows of little houses, red cubes with green pyramid shaped tops.
I saw this as being the building blocks of reality.
When the trip first began i started to feel as though I was a part of everything. But not in the metaphorical way, I physically felt as though I was a tiny piece and the space around me became solid, like I was a little pixel stuck around other pixels.
This was when I was starting to feel and struggle against my awareness being detached from my sense of self, my ego.
At the height of the trip I began to panic intensely because I couldn't put anything into words and then suddenly like a foghorn the thought came to me,"I think therefore I am"
That brought me back to reality. Anyone else tripping if you can remember that you'll be fine
Was tripping on mdma and lsd and remember closing my eyes and seeing a green-ish upside down pyramid, slowly rotating clockwise on its point, perfectly balanced on a silver sphere. No idea what tf it was or what it means but that image is still vivid in my mind.
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@@stoneylonesome239 what’s that
“It’s an experience I haven’t had, so I just have to accept-“
Annnd I’m out.
Why are you out, though? Aren't you interested in what a famous neuroscientist has to say about DMT, even though he hasn't taken it yet?
Only people who haven't experienced a breakthrough DMT trip think that you can reason about it, use neuroscience etc. You can't. It's entirely inexplicable by the materialist paradigm. IF you want to talk about it, just do it already.
Cuz you have to try something to have an opinion about what others have said about their experiences, right? Way to be open minded
@@drummerguy612 it was a joke, m’dude.
Lex is using his mind to explore possibilities.
Sam is using his mind to explore reducing the possibilties of phenomena.
Still, an interesting conversation.
Your comment deserves more likes.
I agree with your analysis. And the interest is in what we learn about these two characters. Of the two on the basis of this I prefer Lex.
Sam needs to experience what it's like to stand stand in awe of the grandeur of reality and perceive all the ways he might be wrong and realize that the implicit assumptions he is making about nature are one small piece of an infinite landscape of possibility.
@@andyb2977He has taken MDMA and mushrooms and spent a cumulative 2 years on meditation retreat. I don’t think he’s as psychologically or spiritually impoverished as you might be imagining 😊
The 'bottle, foil and elastic band' method ensures everything is inhaled in one hit.
Can't believe either of these people still haven't tried it - it's definitely their kind of thing!
I was met by an elf that transported me into a 'space station computer' which blew my mind. Then I was lead into different dimensions, each time making the 'space station computer' and the previous dimension seem less and less mind-blowing. Worlds within worlds. Nothing in life is more profound than a fully blown DMT trip.
It's fascinating to see how high in the trait of openness Lex seems to be. I imagine he's off the charts in that category. He displays more openness than any guest I've seen him interview.
Yea, the guests are full of themselves.
maybe because he's interviewing people?
Good conversation. However, Sam said he has not taken psychedelics but he is explaining the experiences. That's absurd.
Scientists do this regularly.
He has taken shrooms multiple times
@@aadi2488 not the same. Ayahuasca and dmt is a far different experience
@@redwood-in-stereo ayahuasca != psilocybin
Well lex asked it and he talked about what he has heard and simply talked About it. Also the first thing that he mentioned is that he hasn't infact taken it..that's honest. It's not like he wants everyone to think he has taken it. You are making "absurd" demands here. They are simply having a conversation my friend.
He's talking about DMT elves but he's never taken DMT.
this is good publicity for DMT and it’s great to hear Sam referencing Mckenna, but ultimately somewhat empty due to the fact that not one person with a microphone has had a DMT experience
love the description of "traveling" at the end of the clip, "what if traveling is something like we do with psychedelics and meet the elves; what if thinking or the space of ideas, as we kind of grow and think through ideas, that's traveling. Or what if memories is traveling."
I am curious about DMT but when I listen to people who advocate for it, they don't impress me as particularly bright or enlightened.
End the war on drugs.
I would argue that just because we can dream doesn’t mean that dmt is nothing divine or spiritual. If we are spiritual beings then surely we could do or tap into a divine or spiritual realm (like dreaming). And just because we can hold dmt in our hand and it’s a physical thing doesn’t mean that it’s not a divine or spiritual thing. Surely if we are such then we could hold such a thing in our hands. And just because we can put anything under a microscope and break it down into its smaller components doesn’t make it any less a spiritual thing. If you look of course you’re going to find something because you’re creating it. Create the technology to look deeper into a quark and still you’ll find something.
I wish that someone who has actually experienced DMT answered this question.
I've been tracking my dreams for over 40 years and am well familiar with psychedelic experiences.
There are some curious similarities between DMT experience and dreams and some significant differences. In dreams, when we become submersed in the experience of being in another place there is often an encounter with something or someone that is out of place and the dream narrative seems to be a process of reconciling that. With DMT experiences however, we are often the object or person that is out of place and what we encounter seems to have a reality or narrative already in motion that we either observe or become swept away within. And with DMT what is encountered becomes transformed the more it is engaged or observed.
What do u mean by transformed at the end?
"with DMT what is encountered becomes transformed the more it is engaged or observed" ...that's what a summer of LSD tripping did to me and my consciousness. The deeper I got made me understand that no moment or situation is what it used to present itself as. Listening to this segment makes me wonder what DMT would have done or brought to me back then..
"In my house are mansions" I wonder if that phrase in regards to heaven refers to the mind
I had dreams where I had found dozens of books, comics, and world maps that were on the bookshelf or dreams where I get handed books from other people and they stayed the same. And they were all so rich in information, details, and colors, that was unbelievable astonishing and profound. You scroll over 200 different pages and they got diagrams, colorful borders, Hebraic letters, and a table of contents and the time reading were not chaotic. I could read it with high clarity and an undisturbed time frame of like 5-10 minutes. But of course, I also got dreams, where the content changed when you go back to the previous pages.
I experimented with psychedelic mushrooms on a weekly basis for about 3 months twenty years ago. During that time and for a few weeks afterwards I was able to have lucid dreams. It was so enjoyable and profound. The mushrooms, I believe, unlocked a portal for me to access this power. I’ve never had them since, neither mushrooms nor lucid dreams.
time to go back bro
@@GoodGuysMedia perhaps so
It's your inner self. It's a representation of the oh so complex mechanics, processes and intelligence on a cellular and biochemical level. The entities are parts of yourself (of what you normally experience as you, thinking as a single mind or in form of an inner dialog).
It's like your cells talking to you.
The message is: Love yourself. Life is beautiful, biology is. Love your life. Care for life, not for wealth or fame.
If you haven’t had the experience , why are you blabbing about it? Do it then come back and let’s see the change in the conversation.
Yep, exactly
The analogy with the experience of dreaming is probably the best way to discuss and consider the "realness" of the psychedelic experience and what can be expected from it beyond a simple emotional ride. For example, on the experience of reaching a higher level of consciousness or experiencing a "genius insight", the explanation is most likely in how such emotional experience is in fact completely detached from actual content.
Our conscious mind is rigged to link the two, ie, believe that we can't experience such an emotion that comes with a bright insight without actual content. However, what may in effect be happening is that the neuronal networks involved in the emotion might be running in parallel, but separate from any actual cogent content. It is thus probably a misconception on our part to believe when we wake up that we had this moment of genius or great idea or great song, etc. during a dream, and wish we could remember it. In fact we only had the emotional experience of such a "genius insight", and the content we believe was the trigger and we wish we could remember was never there in the first place.
A potential proof point is to compare this with the "genius insights" that occur when under the influence of cannabis or cocaine, which generate new connections previously unseen, ie, an insight. Any external observer who's not partaking will see any such "genius insight" as total bonkers. So the idea that psychedelics could induce some higher level of cognition that can produce superior insights should be assessed with this caveat in mind. But having the experience of reaching a higher plane of understanding ("it's all connected!") is still pretty good in and out of itself. It's just a question of managing expectations. :-)
I vividly remember dreams and am a lucid dreamer so i can control my dreams...but i will say as someone who's done DMT and psychedelics many times, it does not appear that the visuals or experience comes from something in my own mind. Because dreams for me look like reality. Psychedelics and especially DMT look other worldly almost. DMT appears to be a window into another dimension or realm that we cannot otherwise see or connect to. It does not look like a dream and I have NEVER dreamt of such things that you see in Psychedelic states. So while our brains may produce DMT in the pineal gland meant to assist us in dreaming, i don' think that DMT in our brains creates the illusion from psychedelics. They truly are magical substances that deserve way more funding and research. They are very special plant medicines and DMT is probably the most special compound found on our planet. Where mushrooms feel Earthly, DMT feels very much like it's from another plant or dimension.
Anyone who seriously wants to explore what consciousness is at a fundamental level needs to explore the dmt experience for themselves and not just try to interpret others inadequate descriptions. Once they do, they will instantly understand how silly this conversation is.
That the brain can create "other entities" is not that remarkable, the same happens in dreams or hypnopompic hallucinations. A better question for Sam is: HOW DOES the brain create the higher-dimensional worlds in DMT (that are at least 4D, but many people say are above 4D, from 5D-8D)? The experience can be like being in a fractional universe, where you are in multiple timelines going on at the same time. Our brains evolved solely for 3D.
The brain doesnt create other entities. Or consciousness for that matter
@@billballinger5622 yes it does. brain is fascinating. brains can hallucinate other entities.
He says about dreaming, but I'm pretty sure every person you see in a dream is someone you have already met or seen. Kind of debunks his theory that dreaming is the same as seeing elves and other beings when hallucinating
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During my DMT trip I saw a gigantic grand being infusing energy into the earth and he did not look happy to see I was there but his face was like an eagle or a falcon. By the way this is after I was escorted to some sort of cave by Teletubbies. I dont know either. They weren't that while on the trip but now in my mind they are Teletubbies. They took me to a cave that had all these people waiting to get in this pulsing cave. There was someone guiding everyone in. The cave was as big or as small as you wanted it to be. I couldn't perceive how big it was. I got transported to some sort of area with a big blooming flower in a great big ol field. The flower was so damn stunning. It reached up to the sky. It fell like the first flower or something. I don't know bro. I look through this peephole that just appeared out of nowhere and thats when I saw the bird God looking guy infusing a whole bunch of energy in the earth. Over the bird God was another God that looked like the Colossal titan from attack on titan. It wasnt that while I was there but its that now because I cant remember its face. It was as big or as small as I wanted it to be. I could see across the whole surface of it and its surface extended endlessly. There was no boundaries to it but It was still it somehow. Idk man. Then it proceeded to eat me over a billion times continuously. It was surreal and calming like I wanted to be eaten by it. Bro the drug makes you so calm with everything you are seeing. I wouldn't take DMT again because I just needed a little proof. I didnt need all of that bro Jesus I thought I was just gonna see some Egyptian shit. I aint know nothing bout no damn infinite vision or no telepathy. Or no big ass important flowers. I just thought I was gonna see Jesus or some loved ones. Maaaaaaan dont take that shit lol just stay human because once you take that shit. You cant unsee that shit. Plus right now you are a human. The main message I got was to stop seeking answers and just be happy to be alive. I also felt this overwhelming since of everything is taken care of so just sit back and relax. Just coast and stay happy, and appreciate everything. There is no knowing God. That very phrase is a paradox.
Holy cow. Lol
I have tried doing Mathematics while on LSD and I can confirm it is impossible. while I was attempting to do equations though something cool happens. The numbers and letters started forming geometric shapes and interesting patterns started to immerge.
@John Sampson LSD didn't do that to me, but old age has lol. LSD can affect people differently
With regards to reading in dreams, only people with highly developed language centers in the brain can actually read or perceive spoken language in a dream state. It's a common ability among writers and poets. My personal record for the longest word I've read in my dreams was seven syllables, but I can read entire articles in dreams.
Lately I’ve been hearing speech in my dreams. More intriguingly I’ve also been hearing music and I mean deep, rich and loud music as though I had headphones on. It’s a fairly new development.
I have a few sleeping disorders as well, I suffer bouts of insomnia and also sleeping paralysis. I’ve had episodes where I’ve woken up with my eyes wide open paralysed, unable to move or speak and seen only what I can describe as a ghost bride hovering at the bottom of my bed. In addition to this I also see faces before I fall asleep at night, some of them have the appearance of looking through a photographs negative image, others are so completely real I could swear someone or something is watching me. Anyway it’s crazy what your own brain can put your through
Yes, I too have read that theory years ago, but I've always thought it to be incorrect. I say this because I quite often; have conversations, hear music, and read during my dreams. And I consider myself a monkey, as in I don't believe myself to be "highly developed" in any area of intellect.
It’s more with regards to your neurological development than your intellect in my view. I started reading in my dreams after a very intense acid trip when I was a teenager. During the trip, my language centers were clearly being affected as I effectively lost 99% of my vocabulary for several hours, but I’m also a lifelong writer and I noticed that my ability to write creatively became incredibly advanced after that experience.
@@alexandra_isabel_official Interesting, I myself have never done an acid trip so I don't know what effect it has on dreaming but I still read, hear music, and have conversations in my dreams. I keep a notepad next to my bed and write down everything I remember, it's a fun habit to have. There is still so much unknown about dreams, it's a fascinating subject.
I have conversations all the time in my dreams, the ones I remember most are with my late wife. I also hear music in my dreams and sometimes I wake up with that music still in my mind and I hum or sing the tune into a recording device, usually my phone. I'm a songwriter by the way.
Who's read the case against DMT elves? James kent
. Any programmer can tell you that a single line of code consisting of only a few characters can drastically alter the way your screen presents the data coming from your video card. It can make the screen flicker, blink, warp, twist, or fall into infinitely recursive fractalline chaos. When this happens is your monitor now displaying an "alternate reality" or "parallel dimension"? No, it is not. It is simply taking the same old data and processing it with a new factor in the base algorithm (disruption/excitement at the 5HT2A receptor). Even a very small tweak could produce dramatic results. Since the sensory processing system is so delicate, any abrupt chemical perturbation can cause it to become excited, unstable, or fall into chaos. When the visual system is disrupted for any reason we get phosphene activity, which is the visual system's version of a "ringing in the ears." Phosphene activity is chaotic, but as we all know chaos does not produce random noise, it is familiar and predictable, and produces some damn trippy patterns.
Great discussion. About a subject. Which neither of these guys have experienced. What’s your take on being poor? Or black?
Thank you.
This shit is bizzare to watch.
Sam Harris is a low key pseudo intellectual.
Just a reader and thinker.
I got 200 trips under my belt. This shit sounds like two people who never fought talking about a psychology of a UFC Title fight.
@@ApexSapien Playing devil's advocate here; but haven't both of these men experienced a side of reality that you'll never experience? I doubt they'd throw shade your way. Don't give people reason to avoid the positivities that come with trips. Experiencing riveting altered states of consciousness shouldn't bring you to criticize those avoiding the plunge.
Is direct personal experience the only perspective relevant to the conversation though? Might it not be the case that e.g. a sociologist could contribute usefully to conversations about race or wealth inequality even if they themselves are not poor or black? In the case of psychedelics, Sam has taken loads of them, even if not DMT specifically, and he is a neuroscientist, so it seems possible that he might be able to give some interesting input to the topic.
@NolanEP sounds like excuses.......
In layman's terms. If he so smart just take the drug, then talk about it.
Why the need for 12 mins of an guy talking about something he has no experience with.
Thats pseudo intellectual horse bleep.
That's a dumb argument. They are simply expressing they are curious about it and a lot of people who haven't done DMT but have done other psychedelics like LSD and magic mushrooms are certainly very curious about DMT having listened to people like Terrence McKenna. It's just a curiosity driven conversion. At no point in the conversation did either of them try to suggest they are an authority on it or that they have done it. So stop your whining.
Everyone who talks about doing DMT talks about some elf/wizard/gnome people making something. None of those descriptions ever seem to be married to reality. I feel these people forget that just because they experienced a trip, doesn't mean they fully understand what they experienced. Hallucinations are regularly referred to as a reality beyond reality, yet the people hallucinating always forget that they've been taking HALLUCINOGENS. Quite literally defined as something that divorces you from reality. Not to detract from the experience (which I myself have never done, admittedly), but these guys need to carry the context with them throughout or submit themselves to some neura-link webcam.
"Unfortunately I havnt taken DMT" would have been a more useful title.
Cuz you have to try something to have an opinion about what others have said about their experiences, right? Way to be open minded
Lex, have you read much about Pythagoras? He spent 25 years in Egypt and was initiated into many secret societies in the east. The Pythagorean theorem is referencing the gnomon, the geometric map to time and growth, phi. The Platonic solids, which come from Egypt, show the different stages of tetrahedra in formation as they grown and contract to create the material world. Check out “homage to Pythagoras” book, the kybalion, buckminster fuller, and look at Nassim’s work. Note: Oneness can sometimes be intimidating because it ultimately means giving up the self. DMT will show you these truths, but often can give you too much information making it hard to be in a human body afterwards if you didn’t reach a certain level of understanding prior to it to help integrate. There is a reason why we forgot. Knowledge comes from your mind/brain, books, and people. Wisdom does not come in English/language, it comes through induction only. Physics will soon discover the other 6 quarks and their anti quarks, and will come to discover much more. Much love, good luck, remember some boxes can’t be closed once open.
“Unfortunately I haven’t taken”
Why continue listening
One thing to take away is that there IS a personal, physical reality...you can imagine "other" and extrapolate
on your dream/drug altered moment but you WILL be back in Reality at some point no matter how altered by
the dream/drug experience. Too much time is wasted on hopefully thinking there is a "god" or an "elf" or a
"guide" when really it is all the unique "YOU" to be discovered.
Love the Alex Grey thumbnail
Coming up on 2 years ago when I was hospitalized with viral pneumonia (OK, COVID) from November 2nd through the 13th of 2022.
I was placed in a medically induced coma for the first 36 hours where I was visited by a group of wonderful beings. The Ketamine Elves.
Admitting myself to the hospital with no insurance to speak of I naturally had the usual trepidation and worry about how I was going to pay the hospital bill for this stay. 13 days with full COVID (remdesivir, Lovenox, ventilated etc...) protocol.
At some point after I went under The Elves came to me. They perceived my concern and told me to stop worrying about it and to simply accept that the bill had already been taken care of.
I was happy about that and went on watching them play. Their faces would morph into various states of beautiful, psychedelic visages that instilled a completely fearless, calm, and peaceful state. All the while a soundtrack of psychedelic music was playing. Nothing coherent, just a (for lack of a better word) cacophonous roller coaster of sounds. Buzzing, whirring, whistles, chirps, clicks, screeches, clanking metal like the sound of hammers on anvils, humming etc... I had a sense of being able to taste the sounds and the colors I was experiencing were like nothing I've ever experienced in a conscious state.
I was in bad shape but had no awareness that I was dying. I was calm and relaxed. My blood oxygen level had dropped down to 72% on three separate occasions during that first 36 hour period while I was under.
I surmised that it was during those NDE times that the worry about the bill started creeping into my awareness again.
When that happened, when I started doubting them The Elves would get upset with me. Their otherwise cheerful smiling faces would begin morphing into more and more hideous looking creatures. I would get frightened but they remained patient and compassionate with me. After their stern but gentle reassurances I would eventually start coming back to the peace where they would then morph back into their previously beautiful cheerful selves.
But every time I started slipping back into worry about the bill they'd change back into these horrific critters again and on the last time they all gathered around me in what was an infinite sea of these hideous-looking entities and right in my face they all screamed in unison in an ear-shattering chorus: "IT WON'T WORK IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE!!!"
I was never vaccinated and I survived those 13 days and two years on at the age of 66 I look better and feel better than I did when I was 50. I beat these Deep State fuckernauts! They couldn't kill me. I feel invincible.
The really cool part of it all happened in early February of 2023. I had received a letter from the hospital informing me that the entirety of my $108,935.38 hospital bill had been canceled.
I trust my Elves implicitly!
6:36 Okay hear me out... I have actually had a dream where I met Sam Harris. I was on a dock from a local beach, and I jumped off into the water and was swimming. My dog jumped in too, and then turned into a small ferret, which I accepted as normal. I got back onto the dock from the water and dried off. A small dinghy with two people was pulling up to the dock, and I realized it was Sam Harris and his wife Annaka (who I've never seen videos of, only an audio podcast, so I was just imagining what she looked like). I yelled "Hey Sam! Sam!". Annaka looked over and said "Is that Jake?" I walked over to say hi, and they invited me onto the dinghy.
Sam and Annaka untied the dinghy from the dock, and started the zodiac motor to drift away. On the boat, Annaka was asking me what I've been up to. I told her about my behavioural neuroscience degree at UBC, my interest in psychiatry, and the work I've done with my volunteer group. I was hoping to talk to Sam a bit more but he wasn't too talkative. We had interesting philosophical conversations as we boated around the ocean, and docked on an undiscovered beach on a random island. That's around when I either woke up, or the context of the dream changed entirely into a new situation.
As soon as I woke up I wrote the dream into the dream journal I keep next to my bed, which has lots of documented dreams by now. This was the first dream I can remember where I met a celebrity. I even told my brother about it since it was so cool, and he laughed. When I heard Sam tell Lex that it would be more likely for people to dream of him than meet him in a psychedelic experience, I was blown away. I felt like I needed to share how this was actually true for me.
If only Lex had been on the boat with us too :( I guess I'll have to try to lucid dream more to make it happen, or maybe one day I'll be able to meet them in real life on their podcast or mine? I've got big dreams you could say.
Please upvote this comment, since I want Lex or Sam to see how what they said at 6:36 was true.
Perhaps Harris represents the Sage in your dream (to use a Jung reference)?
Countless people who have done dmt describe seeing colours that don’t exist, 4D shapes, basically just things they’ve literally never seen or even thought about before. In a dream, you CAN create a lot of incredibly intricate and fantastical things just in your head, but its all based on things you’ve seen before. It’s impossible to dream up something that hasn’t been seen before. That’s why we don’t wake up from a dream with our minds completely blown, apart from the odd sleep paralysis or out of body experience. It’s like how AI can only create based on what it has “experienced”. It chops everything into little parts and then rearranges based on the input. We can relate everything it creates to something in real life. People who have done dmt will use human language to try to describe what they saw or experienced, but will often mention that there are no words to describe. Nothing to compare it to. That doesn’t happen in dreams.
I did Nitrous and DMT combination recently and "self transforming Machine Elves" is definitely the correct language.
(Do not try DMT, speak to your Doctor first please)
That is a very good painting on the thumbnail used to describe the DMT trip. It’s a couple minutes of intense lights and patterns and then it’s over as fast as it started.
Why do I always feel like nobody reads Jung (unconscious) or Campbell (reading of symbol and metaphor)?
I started listening to lectures and reading Jung the past year and to say his teachings have blown me away and radically changed how I view myself, others and the world at large is a radical understatement. Especially once you have a grasp on his work and start delving into the Red Book, I was totally levelled when I read into the “Cabiri beings” he encountered during one of his hypnogogic states and how similar their descriptions are of Machine Elves/DMT beings. The implications of their potential existence alone is probably one of the most profound pieces of knowledge mankind could ever know, let alone what their reason for existing and the role they play in human behaviour or reality in general.
I can’t help but feel people will be looking back on Jung in centuries to come and realise how radically before his time that man was, theres a reason the Red Book wasn’t published until 50 years after his death in 2009
I will say it is very hard for any atheist to smoke DMT and have the full experience and then still be confident In his previous materialistic point of view, Terence McKenna makes this point very clear: DMT is phenomenologically impossible from a materialistic paradigm.
Complete Poppycock.
DMT takes atheists to church
"Well I did end up taking DMT, and much to my astonishment, I realized it is entirely possible for one self to forget that it is one self by dividing itself into many selves that it can interact with, I am God, effectively" - Sam Harris
This is not a real quote but I hope it is one day
@@15minuteenlightenment41 Damn, man- you just put that up as click-bait! Worked on me, anyway! One day, eh? Lol.
@@donaldgallacher6998 Yeah pretty sneaky lol. I just don’t understand, he did a 5 gram mushroom trip, how do you not realize you are God after that?
@@15minuteenlightenment41 due to personal experiential bias, I'd have to parse that as 'god' with a small 'g' and parentheses, but otherwise- yeah! (I've developed my own shorthand when it comes to matters 'spiritual'- 'QMI'; Quote Marks Inherent. Makes for complicates conversations but works for me(nearly fell out with some body on here today due to misinterpretation...). Congrats again on the post.
@@donaldgallacher6998 Thank you thank you!
We get transported in the unconscious part of our brains where we dream.
In a dream, when you see dead relatives or experience monumentally different scenarios and you awake, you dont freak out, you remain unchanged like they mentioned.
The machine elves come from the stories of whomever first experienced these entities, it gets passed along like myths and legends. Those curious in DMT or tripping in general, usually research what the experience is, and from there they get the entity idea planted
What I want to really know now, is if there has been someone who has NEVER heard of DMT or machine elves, who has an experience and encounters elves. Im sure there are, but most experiences have been tainted by others experiences.
Spending a full life on this mortal plane without experiencing alternate levels of consciousness is a life wasted.
I’m sure theres plenty of people you admire or whose life’s work you rely upon daily who never had such an experience.
You cannot compare dreaming to DMT... It's like saying you've been on a rollercoaster when all you've done is stood up and sat back down.
@Alpha Omega oh yeah it's miles apart
transforming machine elves should be legal
Think they have a union?
@@15walkingaway good question 🤣
Interdimensional economic migrants
I don’t really care to hear about anyone talking about DMT, who hasn’t themselves taken it. He has no clue how absolutely insane it is
Same. Ive never seen these elves everyone talks about. Ive done plenty of psychedelics in the last 35 years but dmt was on anotner level, it was bananas no doubt.
We need more neuroscientists to take DMT or try Indian deep meditation to try these areas of consciousness. We need more research on this and apply the 3 steps of scientific method to it.
Otherwise, hearing about it from a fanatic is same as hearing about God/s hallucinations from a religious fanatic. In both those cases, we generally face backlashes when we try to question them or analyse the situations critically.
I remember reading that Ram Dass teacher took concentrated pills and he said “oh so that’s what this is, it’s nice. But meditation is better.”
Apparently according to this guru and some others, you can self-induce the experience.
You've just given me insight. I've been meditating for the last 3yrs and sometimes my system automatically does conscious breathing. What I observed is there is discontinuity to my thought patterns. I dont know if its for the better or worse since my linear mind gets frustrated trying to find out what should be my emotional state. It stops and it stops. There isn't prolonged state in my mind and its hard to form any concrete identity for myself and predictability of others. Sure, any form of story I could conjure could be changed altogether. There is and there is not. Everything could be rearranged and yet I think I could not adhere to society, its no use. I dont know what to do with this. its so booooring
You are just realizing that reality is a very fragmented thing. All sensory input and our thinking itself is by its nature fragmented. Its the mind that creates a sense of continuity, a storyline, so to speak, which is illusory. When you meditate you can sometimes see through this illusion. Especially when practicing insight meditation, like vipassana. This is a good thing. It means you are seeing reality as it is: transigent and devoid of self. Combine this with practicing compassion and you are on your way to enlightenment :)
I'm convinced Sam is a DMT Elf and is simply trying to run cover for them.
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I love hearing Sam Harris quote and dissect McKennas ideas about psychedelics. You can tell that even he’s fascinated with what McKenna had to say.
This makes me happy 😃. The wisdom nuggets that came out of McKenna is insane. I wish more people would take him more seriously
His hypothesis, while not based on full experience, is compelling to some degree.
Some things to consider are:
1) Consistency of experiences. E.g. People report interacting with the same entities. This happens with people who have never met one another, had never heard of other people's experiences prior (obviously some had heard of previous experiences, but not all). And it seems to happen across a very wide geographic range.
2) The vivid colours. There is a perception of colours which we don't see in our lives (and impossible to convey for that reason). These are not colours which I've ever experienced in dreams, and seem to be limited to dmt.
3) The characteristic "smell" (something akin to burnt coffee) and hummm which envelopes/overcomes a person at the onset of the experience. It is a curious constant.
I don't know what any of that means, but think they are observations worth considering when trying to discuss and rationalize the experience.
I have read a wide range of DMT experiences and I do not agree with your "points". Many times people's preconceptions and knowledge "seep" into their DMT experiences. I mean just look at the famous Latin American artist who painted DMT visuals from his experience and what people told him. It's related to jungles animals etc. who would have thought? LOL!
I'm pretty sure people on DMT 2000 years ago did not see "machine elves".
Also this coffee smell you mention is the first time I hear this. LOL Joe Rogan is probably the guy who talks most about DMT out of anyone today and HE DOESNT MENTION IT. The "sound" is also not a constant, some describe it like a hummm or a loud trumpet or a siren. NOT THAT SIMILAR. Some don't mention hearing a sound.
So, no, your "points" aren't really constants sorry.
I have no idea why you invested your energy in writing that. It's like you went looking for an online debate. Nothing you wrote is interesting or even engaging.
@@ianfleischhacker6154 Ian, perhaps you should think about why it is not engaging(to you)? Is it because it doesn't confirm your preexisting biases? Invalidates your knowledge? You wrote a public comment, people can engage. Debates can help too. How are you going to arrive at the truth if you continously operate within a framework and scoff when someone points out fallacies? I offered challenge(s) to test your theory/points and delve deeper into the topic.
I understand it seemed confrontational at first. It was, to an extent(confront the strength of claims) but please don't take it personal. The reason being, is because I don't like it when people jump to conclusions and that seemed what you were doing is all. Cheers.
@@theTranscendentOnes Your inability to be succinct says you have no point. You're just writing to say "I think you're wrong."
And it's quite possible you're right. But so what? Your style of communication isn't engaging to me. Ponder that or don't.
Please, have the last word, and have a good day.
@@ianfleischhacker6154 Your inability to separate succintness/simplicity from whether a point is made is telling. Advice: Stretch your Mind a bit.
Thank you for your advice to me.
Have a Great day
I think Lex or Joe or someone needs to finally get Tom Campbell on a podcast and get his take on reality and his theory of everything. If Lex can entertain Donald Hoffman, Tom Campbell paints a more clear and precise picture that is easier to digest...
I originally heard "It's impossible to read anything while dreaming. Go ahead, try it, it's not possible." multiple, multiple times and can confirm that isn't true, as well as seeing a clock but not being able to tell what time it is, this coming from someone who isn't a lucid dreamer, but I do dream basically every night and actually tend to remember it for a little while after waking up, as I've read something in a dream and later woke up to write them down as lyric ideas. Not saying it was quality or potentially usable stuff by any means >>
But this is the first time I've heard about the text changing if you look away and look back. Slightly curious about that now. Wouldn't be surprised though, as in my experience the entire sort of "dream world" is constantly changing.
Agreed
Sam is still the best in the moment thinker around on these types of topics.
How so ? He admitted he never even tried DMT. And there's no evidence that dreams and DMT are even remotely connected, so i don't know why he's comparing them, they are completely different experiences.
@@Funkadelick he’s a very strong thinker on altered brain states, consciousness, and how we thinks about the relationship between subjectivity and objective reality.
@@JAYDUBYAH29 i get it but he has zero experience. Fact. So get doesn't really know what a DMT experience is
the dimmer switch on lights in lucid dreams is interesting to me. I lucid dream maybe once a month and it almost always starts with me realizing im in a dream but it is too dark so i start flipping on light switches everywhere so i can see but no matter how many lights i turn on they are all just too dim for me to really make out what i am seeing. The frustration of all the lights not being bright enough in my dream is what clues me into the fact that i am dreaming.
My intuition is that machine elves built this dimension.
My girlfriend and I laid down on the pillow in bed and things became translucent and I could literally see them working on our brains when we were laying there in and out of sleep.
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thats what interests me about it. your mind doesn't feel like it on a drug but ur blasted into what sounds like the dream world. when I dream if I'm not aware during the entire dream that I'm dreaming ill become aware that im dreaming within the dream at some point. how exactly I know is beyond me, but reality testing rings bells. how far back does my memory go, do I have a body even, how did I get here? one thing to always remember is that if people are trying to mess with your sense of reality or memory...they are NOT your friend
why do you ask deep DMT questions to a guy who didn´t even take it? For us who have taken it, this is a little insulting
Grow some balls, do ayahuasca and then we talk
Yep, exactly
To do abstract math requires a certain quietude of the mind that allows for that degree of focus. LSD tends to be a rather "busy" experience for the mind, so that kind of concentration becomes difficult. But, a temporary loss of math abilities seems trivial when compared to the philosophical and artistic insights attested to.
Haven't done DMT but even I know from reading the experiences that it's nothing like a dream.
If Sam did try DMT and had the most profound experience ever, I'm sure even then he would be able to rationalize that it's just his mind conjuring up stuff. He's a hard-core materialist.
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He was just saying that the experience comes from within. Our minds create the experience. We're not actually sent anywhere. The mind is a beautiful thing.
@@JesseSwaney that’s honestly debatable… it’s impossible for him to say when he hasn’t tried it. Taken all sorts of hallucinogens except peyote and all my friends never had anything close to similar visuals. DMT has such a common baseline even though the experience’s are unique the entities are definitely dimensional regardless wether you believe it or not IMHO.
@@greg6162 it doesn't matter if he tried it or not. he's pointing out the fact it's possible for our minds to come up with that sort of stuff. our brains are powerful and there's no reason to think they can't hallucinate an intense experience that's "convincing".
Dimmer switch because we witness the slow unfolding of time but our conscious mind sews up lil details like that. Our brains actually experiences the light traveling, it just filters that part of the awareness out.
Hmm, Sounds like to me that Sam Harris is ducking doing DMT , because it might call into question his whole belief structure! For years he has been open to doing a DMT trip , but has never done it.
I agree, dmt definitely fucks with hardcore atheist beliefs
Rarely does an atheist walk away from a DMT breakthrough without questioning their entire framework.
He's a fraud, ofc he wont be an atheist no more, i was a hardcore atheist, after experiencing an ego death from a high dose of LSD, god never leaves my mind now,i can see him everywhere!
@@TheArchiveOwl fascinating!
Any of Hindu faith here?
How can you hands down this? What is your tinking process?
Lex: Have you ever done DMT? / Sam: Unfortunately, no. Here's what it's like.
For better or for worse, DMT is going to play a greater role in society going forward.
Every time I try to read something in lucid Dreaming, it changes right when I think i am about to read it, and can never read it. Another thing is that i can never write a text message or dial a phone. Right there I realize that I am lucid Dreaming. I also feel like i can close my eyes, but I keep seeing things. I have also experience a lot the sleep paralysis, the sound like your windows are vibrating like there is a UFO outside or something, the feeling of levitation and someone on top of me or around, breathing or whispering on my ears. If you try to jump and sit on the bed, you can get ou of it, but sometimes it takes a few tries and if you don't know what is happening, it will freak you out.
DMT is the communication tool for everything to vibe and connect with each other
Perfect
So many people get the machine ELF wrong. Terrence Mckenna explains in detail what it looks like from the book Archaic Revival. It is a vortex of infinite choices. It looks like a infinite hexagonal “thing” of love. Very similar in looks those amazing ceilings in mosques that are 3d.
You really can’t compare the psychedelic state to the state of dreaming. Dream states are full of your own culture, full of people you know or have seen before, doing things you’ve heard of. Psychedelics are something completely different.
Low doses of dmt definitely can be compared to that state where you are just drifting into a dream for sure
@@generalwasteman That specific instance isn’t what I’m talking about - flying around or hanging out with a celebrity in dreams isn’t remotely comparable with a breakthrough psychedelic state. It’s completely alien to our reality
You can also dream or hallucinate that you've had a profound insight. When you, arguably in the cold light of day, have not. Isn't this the foundation of hallucinations or dreams? Thinking things that haven't actually occurred? The profundity of the thought is the dream/hallucination in itself: It not having a substance or leading process of actualisation. You've just been fooled by your own brain: it's a dream/hallucination..
How has Sam not taken dmt yet? I've heard so many people ask him about it that I feel like finding and selling the shit to him myself
scared?
Who is the artist that did thumbnail art work?
Sam !! Sam!! DMT is nothing like dreaming! It’s not even close!
The only similarity I can think of is that for me, afterwards it feels like waking from a dream. The memories of the trip are often vague and fleeting and only brief snapshots stay with me for a long time.
Leo !! Leo!! He never said this! @6:48 I quote him saying: "With psychedelics you don't tend to hallucinate in a dream-like way. DMT is giving you an experience of others, but it seems to be non-standard. It not just like dream hallucinations..."