well the problem is harley discontinued many parts on these older bikes...many of those parts are regular wear parts...the dealer guides you right to Drag or CCI...they have no interest in helping you with your old bike parts..Now if you need to buy a new overpriced bike! they will crawl out of the woodwork to help you...
@@AJC-jo3ds thats right ,its annoying how some parts ''No longer available '' my speedo on 98 FXD ,failed and couldnt be fixed or replaced so had to buy a Dakota digital ,theres no way i would buy a new bike ,HD used to have the parts lists and available prices online in Aust ,but now they have taken it down and want you to email them for specific parts which is annoying
Funny this comes out today. I JUST came back from a 25 mi, shakedown ride on my 86FXWG. Last 4 sp, last kicker. First time this thing has been on the road in 26 years. Got it for 1200 2 years ago, bad shape. Been through everything. Many upgrades now, ran beautifully, with NO leaks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I like when people come to look at a bike I have for sale after watching a video like this. They try to nit pick everything to get the price down. I always tell them what the bike is, the price is the price. Buy it, or don't. What you should take away from this video is, when you buy an old bike, you get an old bike. If it's original, you will be in there, if it's been touched, you will be in there. If you want new, buy new.
It was ten years ago today I bought my '99 Heritage Springer. She's all stock and runs great. Got it from the original owner with paperwork. Pretty low milage just under ten thousand miles back on 11/12/13. Today is 11/12/23. She runs and rides like a dream.
I’m still riding my 84 soft tail evo!! My dad bought it in 1986, I got it after he passed in 2020. Still in the family! And still running great!!! Great video! Great info!!
Interesting. I have a 2005 carbureted sportster XL 1200 custom and bought a 1995 FXDWG Dyna then a 2008 FHTCUI That twin cam runs much warmer than the evos even with Amsoil that brought the operating temp way down but I am with you, Love the carbureted Evo's..
Thank you man, I have had my 1985 Evo.FLHTC since 1990. I had all the things up,graded you mentioned. You were so right on what would need extra care. .I love that bike !!
Nice job on this Evo info. I'm the original owner of a 1988 Softail Custom and it has been an awesome bike for me. I do all my own work including tires. Still running original clutch. Upgraded carb, cam, rear shocks, petcock, voltage regulator, ignition switch, and several other things over the years.
AMF developed the Evo engine, 5 speed transmission, new frames for the FLT and FXR as well as the rubbermount system carried over to the Dynas, put disc brakes and electric start on everything, introduced electronic ignition, increased displacement on both Big Twin and Sportsters, converted the engines to run on unleaded gas and met stricter emissions and noise restrictions, as well as built a new factory in York and streamlined the entire manufacturing process.
@@frankfurther3828 lol. Every time I hear someone complaining about some of HD's business decisions lately I interject "And you guys thought AMF was bad"
I experienced every one of these issues on the '89 FXSTC that I parted with when it had 93,000 miles. EVOs of that era, '87 to '91 I believe, were also prone to the drive-side main bearing steel case insert coming loose and pulling engine oil into the primary. Mine experienced the problem at around 50,000 miles, at ten-years old-outside of the goodwill warranty Harley offered. After a less-than-satisfactory attempt with an after-market short block, I ordered a set of serial numbered replacement cases from Harley. They were the'96-99 versions, that eliminated the steel insert, along with other changes. I was told they were the best EVO cases. As I had no further problems, I agree. Good video, it brought back a lot of wrenching memories.
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Dam, I have the exact same bike a 1988 heritage Softail Classic. It was even the same color. Root Beer and cream colors. I am the second owner of the bike and purchased it in 2001.Luckily I own a motorcycle repair shop so my labor is not an issue. I have rebuilt the transmission, engine,primary and installed a new wiring harness. I love riding this bike. I use my 2015 streetglide for the long rides around the country, but I do love my heritage. You are spot on with your opinions about getting involved with the labor requirements, but if you are mechanically inclined you will build a bond with the bike that can never be matched. Love the honest review of what potential owners will be up against. It becomes a labor of love.
Awesome! We did a maintenance series: www.fixmyhog.com/videos/evolution-1984-1999/ and a top end / cam series: www.fixmyhog.com/videos/evo-top-end-and-cam/
I just bought a 96 FLHR with only 17000 miles on it. I was SO glad (and relieved) to hear you say 96 or above. Seems like all I may need to do is go through the carb and maybe change the petcock. It set for quite some time without being ridden. Runs fantastic, but I got a little gas leak when stopping at the DMV, but it stopped on the way to the gas station. It's not happened since. (stuck needle valve or float I'm thinking. (???)
I’ve got a ‘94 Wideglide 88”…. 52,000 now it had 17,000 in 2005…. It’s been very reliable…. Clutch recently 4 yrs ago, just rebuilt the carb 2nd time…. Now on in the East so I can’t ride for 6 mo… DO NOT USE ANYTHING EXCEPT NON-ETHANOL FUEL…. Terrible gummy crap in Ethanol fuel… A new air breather system has helped drastically… NEVER buy a chinese shit knock off carb… recently changed my original petcock
This was very helpful and convinced me to wait until a 96+ Evo Dyna appeared, got lucky and bought a '98 Super Glide. As was said among other things in '98 the clutch was improved and the spring plate went away and was replaced with a judder spring. Finding parts has not been too tough so far between my local dealer and independent HD shop
I had a 98 that I should have never gotten rid of, but oh well, live and learn. Great job, btw, on your detailed explanation and opinion on the different models.
1985 FXST now almost 40 years later sits with 17,700 miles of history and is pretty solid and runs great. ALL motorcycles are like having kids. If you knew what they will cost, you probably wouldn’t have one.
I have a 1997 FXDW that I bought new. It's been a really good bike and currently serves as a bar hopper. I have a 2010 FXSTC that is my daily driver so the Evo has spent a few years just sitting in the garage. I'm riding it again and it does need some work so I'm chipping away at it. Still a reliable bike though. Great video with a lot of good info.
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Nah, close but nope, the 84 FXRDG was the most dolled up, chromed out, and best looking, best riding machine Harley has made-That's why they only made a few-they used up the entire year's supply of chrome and gold paint!!!! HAH! @@bmp72
Landed on this video as im considering moving to an older Sporty. Havent owned a Harley in a lot of years now since an 03 Road King, but I've owned most of the major brands at one time or another. Interesting to note how many of the cautionary questions for Harleys revolve around mileage, say 50,000 and up... Meanwhile when you find a Japanese bike for a decent price and its got 100,000 miles the immediate thought is.. "nice good for another 100,000 before i gotta worry about anything." 😆🤷🏻
Love my 97 FXSTSB… always thought it was the coolest Harley ever. But getting her ready to sell… Am recently retired and want to find a touring frame EVO.
On top of basic fluids and adjustments In my experience things you should budget for: base gaskets, lifters, shifter pawl and centering spring, rotor and stator, clutch.
Carb'd EVO is HD's last good engine. HD Inc chose to abandon it by obsoleting everything we need. RIP HD Inc 1903-1999. EVO's forever. '98 Original owner here, and a 45 flathead.
The reason that HD went to fuel injection was due to tougher EPA requirements. Same reason they started putting catalytic converters in the exhaust headers starting in 2010 and the reason the newer bikes were coming from the factory with a very lean tune which causes excessive heat but cuts down on emissions. I can’t blame Harley for government interference.
Same here, that's all I own. I wouldn't trade any of my Evo's in an even exchange for anything new even if it was a top of the line CVO. My carbureted Evo's consistently get 55-60 mpg. How many EFI bikes are capable of doing that? NONE....
@EricReality I have fuel receipts to back that up too. I haven't ever seen lower than 55 mpg unless I'm going in excess of 80mph but I rarely do that. I try to keep my speeds in the 60-70 mph range. Stock jetting and stock mufflers produces top notch fuel economy. Original factory cam helps also
After watching this I'm selling my fxr going back to Japanese bikes. I like to ride bikes and not worry whats self destructing and going to leave me stranded. I thought thr evo motors were solid, glad I watched this. Selling mine while it still runs
My first bike was a 94 sporster, and the clutch was a little hard . My next bike was a 96 heritage that was very light, but after an hour, i couldn't feel my fingers too much vibrating but the bike looked great
My '86 Softail had 2nd and 3rd gears with a different number of teeth, couldn't even buy cogs from HD with that number of teeth. I replaced them with correct gears from HD and all of a sudden my gears were evenly spaced for the first time. I replaced the main drive gear, the 5th gear he held up in the video, because originally they were made from a separate cog and shaft, pressed together and welded on the cog side. The weld broke on mine and the cog moved on the shaft, so that I couldn't shift into 5th. When I got the replacement part, it was machined as one piece, so I guess mine wasn't the only one. Only other factory fault was a transmission mounting bolt that was too long for the hole and broke through the floor of the transmission case. Never leaked though, so I left it as it.
I bought a 1992 dyna glide custom brand new and rode it till 1999 , put 45k miles on it commuting to work 60 mile round trip . Had lots of problems . within the first year the high beam indicator bulb blew out . Splines stripped out of the drive pulley 2 times , 3rd time harley redesigned them as you note. 3rd time i had to replace the main drive gear . Shifter return spring inside transmission broke on a bike week trip . Wire harness was improperly routed from factory and ignition wire pulled out of connector when handlebars were turned to the right causing engine to stall. Lifter rollers wore out and caused front cylinder to missfire . Cam bearing failed and caused rear cam jurnal to get pitted. Front cylinder exhaust rocker bushings wore out and became noisy. I got stuck once going to work for a gas flow issue that i never did find the root cause of 100% but i concluded it was the factory coating inside the tank that peeled off and plugged up the petcock screen. This is what i can remember
I have a 2007 twin-cam, and a 1992 FXRS. I use the Twin cam for the highway, and the FXRs for putting around these little roads in Ireland. My Question: is, do all the Evo motors have the same motor-mount castings on the cases, or are they different through the years. I guess the mounting brackets are the difference. The reason I ask is, here in Ireland we don't have the parts around here, like in the USA. If my motor or trans gets a problem I'd just get replacements from the states as whole units. So, does anything fit into an FXRS, or are they different? I have a chain-drive model.
i had 87"electra glide special last year , bought for 4.5k and always problem with it and spent 3.5k to fix here and there till finaly sold it cuz feedup just a few months later ,very dissapointed investment indeed. now i have 96inch twin cam ( 07 softail night train) and am happy with it beside one thing which is Very Hot engine but i heard its normal with twin cam engine .
I have a 1987 FLHTC I bought new and it currently has 103,000 miles on it. Never touched the motor and replaced a bearing in the transmission. Still have the original mufflers. Told my sons that they get the bike and give it to the future generations. Never sale the bike, keep it in the family. It’s the first one in the family. I’ll look for another evo Harley. This video is pretty good as what to look for. Fully synthetic oils are used.
Hi. Thank`s for a very informative blog. I have, and have had, 1992, Daytona Dyna Glide, one of those 1700. What I have experienced, is some oil mist on my tight boot! The bike, I am the second owner, has 15000 km, on the meter. When I bought it, it was only 200km on the odo.No cheating, I spoke with the first owner. I wonder, after hearing about the casings in those modells, are they prone to crack, as I am told? If so, where is the oil coming from? The engine is never, as You understand, been touched. Some advice from a pro? from a Finn in Diaspora
In bought the first year Road King in 1994 (built in april), aqua pearl silver, the pulley splines were "nicely" worn away (= disappeared in rusty dust) at 10000 km. I got it under warranty (same width splines, still have PN somewhere, not sure if the 1994 wider one, came that after june ?), mechanic said 1 in 3 were not torqued down correctly in the factory, and I was allowed to repair it myself. The "5th gear" splines were not damaged at all, mechanic thought because I was a "carefull" rider. I simply noticed 2 km from home before a traffic light just off the high way that I had no power to the rear wheel as if clutch was slipping (no loose belt etc.). After this repair I rode it until sold at 74000 km in 2001, had no problems anymore on this nor on other items. Then I had the 1998 FLHTCI overstock in 2001 at very much reduced price (same price as the Road King in 1994 ! ), second generation injection system, only problem was that it gave once in every long holiday trip a hick-up as if one injection (or spark) was missing. I adjusted the idle myself, so not according to the book, but then you need about three times (one time in the dealer workshop may not be good enough), because of removing the airfilter to get at the small torx throttle adjuster screw, and then the cold idle stepper motor screw 2mm allen outside. Thus I managed to get cold idle at 1000 rpm (instead of 2000 rpm at some people), and warm nicely at 800 rpm (instead of 1000 rpm advised because of generator output etc.). If needed (maybe at longer idling) I kept it on 1000 rpm myself, and back to 800 rpm just before sliding silently into first gear. Rode this bike until 2016 sold at 91000 km, no problems with many holiday trips in Europe (I run always totally stock). Then I bought the last (Touring) Twin Cam (I did not know this yet then) 2016 FLHTK, which is my holiday bike now. Custom colour Cosmic Blue Pearl, and also still stock, only the electric water pump failed and replaced it myself "by the new kit", no warranty in 2022, this is a known weak point, different story.......
@@angryray3929 JP cycle will have the large ft sprocket get 1 for a 95 up 5 speed and the spacer that goes behind the sprocket and seal the newer design sprocket goes on the splines further JP cycle has 31 33 and 34 teeth ft sprocket kit but order for a 95 the splines are a good upgrade
@@angryray3929 JP cycle has a kit but order for a 95 it's a improved amount of splines and much stronger than the Early 1 it's item number p311338 JP cycle part number hope this helps you
@@angryray3929 may work good going more then 1 tooth when i did mine i went 1 because thats all that was available i think 1 or 2 more would be even better i dont race so i dont need extra takeoff i need low rpms and topend
Hello from the Isle of Man. Thanks for a very informative video. I own a low mileage 1995 FLSTN. When did HD start using the INA cam bearing? Many thanks. 🇮🇲🇮🇲
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They used the caged INA bearing in 1992, I was there, bought new 1994 FLHTC after 1 year I put after market cam in it , Crane cam after 1 more year and 10,000 miles I heard noise, took it apart and the cam & bearing was bad INA caged
I have a 1987 FLHTC (Electraglide Classic). If I want to upgrade the clutch, will stock Evo components from mid 90s fit and work OK or should i go with an aftermarket clutch from drag spec?.
My '99 TC 88 FXDL is better than the '95 FXDL I had before. It's going to be a project whether you buy new or old. First thing to do is take off all the junk people stick on, it's a free upgrade.
Easy to swap out speedo, harder to know if done, things to consider year of mc vs mileage, records kept, ownership tracking. www.fixmyhog.com/video/harley-digital-speedo-removal-011403/
I also have a 72, a Superglide FX, and an 85 FXEF Superglide (Evo motor in the 4 Speed frame) The 72 is an excellent Cruiser as is, the 85 is cammed, headwork, high compression pistons etc. Great for riding like an animal. Both give me what I want from them.
Thanks for a very informative video! I have a 98 RK with the efi Evo and I don't have any problems with it but I have always wanted to convert it to a carburetor but don't feel comfortable doing it myself so would it be possible to ship you my bike and you guys convert it over for me and if so please let me know and we can get together on this? Thanks
So that extra plate in the clutch would explain why the primary on my 96 is bigger than on my 98? Is it a different basket too? I havent done anything to the 96 yet i just bought it.
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It all sounds like if you do want an Evo Harley-go buy everything aftermarket and assemble it. 😂 Yes, it’s gonna be expensive and time, consuming, but you’ll get yourself a brand new old Harley!
Why is it that they never mention the 85 chain drive 4 speed? Exactly the same as a Shovel except for the motor. 100 thousand miles on mine great bike don’t need any thing else.
Sir, I am thinking of buying a road King 98 evo. If it is need's a engine rebuild, how much many are we talking about that I need to spend? It is advertised for 8000 euro.
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AMF develop the evolution motor to counteract the problems with the shovelhead motor that was being pushed fast design limits as well as being throttled with pollution controls and for quality gasoline. AMF spent 6to 7 years developing the evolution motor. They got high on the hog and figured that they're s*** doesn't stink and they could do no wrong. They went after the aftermarket shops, went after mom-and-pop Harley dealership , came out with the Bean counter twin-cam with turned around and put them in the ass for warranty claims, killed the Buell line of Harley sport bikes well the while their prices got higher and their quality got lower. It is so bad people wish AMF was still in charge.
@@kennethwise7108 of course AMF shaved Harley-Davidson because Bangor put you would have demolished the plant and we would have Harley t-shirts mugs and stuff but no motorcycles. They spent six to seven years developing the evolution motor all the development work was done during the AMF years. It is you who is absolutely incorrect. You should do more research before you say something that isn't true.
If you think HD got a new motor together in two years post AMF I got a bridge you would probably like. I worked for HD in service. The gates rubber company was up the road and we saw their engineers all the time. In 1981 I saw the drawing on their desk of the evo motor as they were working on new belt final drives for the Sportster and FLH models. . You believe what you want. The development of the EVO took half a decade @@kennethwise7108
A 1999 front pulley will fit over the splines of the 1992 main drive gear. However, it has a different offset. Both year pulleys are 32 tooth. www.fixmyhog.com/videos/evolution-1984-1999/
Would have loved the V4...95 Dyna is great though...this dispels the belief Evo is a high mile trouble free motor...seems as problematic as certain later models
I like your videos but I disagree with some of what you I own a88softailand it's on its second time around the clock it's been absolutely bullet proof delcron cased I've done absolutely nothing to the engine I brought it at 98 thou. my m8reckons it's just run in absolutely love evos that much I just bought a 90fxr love em
What I have seen is the less electronics the better. Any electronic component fails and you are walking. The price I have seen , failure is not an option.
Have 94 Ultra with 120,000 miles. 80,000 on top end rebuild Andrews 27 and 30 over bore job. Still runs good.
First thing you should buy after getting a older Harley is a service manual and parts manual.
First thing you should not buy it waste of time and $$$$$$
True. If you are going to do your own work both books are a necessity.
well the problem is harley discontinued many parts on these older bikes...many of those parts are regular wear parts...the dealer guides you right to Drag or CCI...they have no interest in helping you with your old bike parts..Now if you need to buy a new overpriced bike! they will crawl out of the woodwork to help you...
@@AJC-jo3ds thats right ,its annoying how some parts ''No longer available '' my speedo on 98 FXD ,failed and couldnt be fixed or replaced so had to buy a Dakota digital ,theres no way i would buy a new bike ,HD used to have the parts lists and available prices online in Aust ,but now they have taken it down and want you to email them for specific parts which is annoying
Yes, I just got a 94' heritage softail, I need to find a service manual?
Funny this comes out today. I JUST came back from a 25 mi, shakedown ride on my 86FXWG. Last 4 sp, last kicker. First time this thing has been on the road in 26 years. Got it for 1200 2 years ago, bad shape. Been through everything. Many upgrades now, ran beautifully, with NO leaks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My first new Harley was a 1985 FXWG, loved that bike.
@@pastorbobncc365same here,bastard year Wide Glide, loved it more than my 03 road king,miss the kicker the most,GODBLESS.
I like when people come to look at a bike I have for sale after watching a video like this. They try to nit pick everything to get the price down. I always tell them what the bike is, the price is the price. Buy it, or don't. What you should take away from this video is, when you buy an old bike, you get an old bike. If it's original, you will be in there, if it's been touched, you will be in there. If you want new, buy new.
It was ten years ago today I bought my '99 Heritage Springer. She's all stock and runs great. Got it from the original owner with paperwork. Pretty low milage just under ten thousand miles back on 11/12/13. Today is 11/12/23. She runs and rides like a dream.
I’m still riding my 84 soft tail evo!!
My dad bought it in 1986, I got it after he passed in 2020.
Still in the family! And still running great!!!
Great video! Great info!!
I have a 91 Dyna Glide, 93 Electroglide and 91 Sportster 1200. I love the Evo motor. You get home on an Evo.
Interesting. I have a 2005 carbureted sportster XL 1200 custom and bought a 1995 FXDWG Dyna then a 2008 FHTCUI That twin cam runs much warmer than the evos even with Amsoil that brought the operating temp way down but I am with you, Love the carbureted Evo's..
96 Roadking , 34,000 miles, stock. Holiday in Germany 3000 miles in 14 days never missed a beat
Thank you man, I have had my 1985 Evo.FLHTC since 1990. I had all the things up,graded you mentioned. You were so right on what would need extra care. .I love that bike !!
Nice job on this Evo info. I'm the original owner of a 1988 Softail Custom and it has been an awesome bike for me. I do all my own work including tires. Still running original clutch. Upgraded carb, cam, rear shocks, petcock, voltage regulator, ignition switch, and several other things over the years.
AMF developed the Evo engine, 5 speed transmission, new frames for the FLT and FXR as well as the rubbermount system carried over to the Dynas, put disc brakes and electric start on everything, introduced electronic ignition, increased displacement on both Big Twin and Sportsters, converted the engines to run on unleaded gas and met stricter emissions and noise restrictions, as well as built a new factory in York and streamlined the entire manufacturing process.
AMF ran the company better than today's golfers.
@@frankfurther3828 lol. Every time I hear someone complaining about some of HD's business decisions lately I interject "And you guys thought AMF was bad"
@@spamfriedmice4800 I WISH AMF would take over from the current cadre of clowns.
Love my Evo
Best buyers guide for an Evo.
I experienced every one of these issues on the '89 FXSTC that I parted with when it had 93,000 miles. EVOs of that era, '87 to '91 I believe, were also prone to the drive-side main bearing steel case insert coming loose and pulling engine oil into the primary. Mine experienced the problem at around 50,000 miles, at ten-years old-outside of the goodwill warranty Harley offered. After a less-than-satisfactory attempt with an after-market short block, I ordered a set of serial numbered replacement cases from Harley. They were the'96-99 versions, that eliminated the steel insert, along with other changes. I was told they were the best EVO cases. As I had no further problems, I agree. Good video, it brought back a lot of wrenching memories.
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Dam, I have the exact same bike a 1988 heritage Softail Classic. It was even the same color. Root Beer and cream colors. I am the second owner of the bike and purchased it in 2001.Luckily I own a motorcycle repair shop so my labor is not an issue. I have rebuilt the transmission, engine,primary and installed a new wiring harness. I love riding this bike. I use my 2015 streetglide for the long rides around the country, but I do love my heritage. You are spot on with your opinions about getting involved with the labor requirements, but if you are mechanically inclined you will build a bond with the bike that can never be matched. Love the honest review of what potential owners will be up against. It becomes a labor of love.
Awesome! We did a maintenance series: www.fixmyhog.com/videos/evolution-1984-1999/
and a top end / cam series:
www.fixmyhog.com/videos/evo-top-end-and-cam/
I just bought a 96 FLHR with only 17000 miles on it. I was SO glad (and relieved) to hear you say 96 or above. Seems like all I may need to do is go through the carb and maybe change the petcock. It set for quite some time without being ridden. Runs fantastic, but I got a little gas leak when stopping at the DMV, but it stopped on the way to the gas station. It's not happened since. (stuck needle valve or float I'm thinking. (???)
I’ve got a ‘94 Wideglide 88”….
52,000 now it had 17,000 in 2005….
It’s been very reliable…. Clutch recently 4 yrs ago, just rebuilt the carb 2nd time…. Now on in the East so I can’t ride for 6 mo… DO NOT USE ANYTHING EXCEPT NON-ETHANOL FUEL…. Terrible gummy crap in Ethanol fuel… A new air breather system has helped drastically… NEVER buy a chinese shit knock off carb… recently changed my original petcock
This was very helpful and convinced me to wait until a 96+ Evo Dyna appeared, got lucky and bought a '98 Super Glide. As was said among other things in '98 the clutch was improved and the spring plate went away and was replaced with a judder spring. Finding parts has not been too tough so far between my local dealer and independent HD shop
Glad it helped!
I had a 98 that I should have never gotten rid of, but oh well, live and learn. Great job, btw, on your detailed explanation and opinion on the different models.
1985 FXST now almost 40 years later sits with 17,700 miles of history and is pretty solid and runs great. ALL motorcycles are like having kids. If you knew what they will cost, you probably wouldn’t have one.
I have a 1997 FXDW that I bought new. It's been a really good bike and currently serves as a bar hopper. I have a 2010 FXSTC that is my daily driver so the Evo has spent a few years just sitting in the garage. I'm riding it again and it does need some work so I'm chipping away at it. Still a reliable bike though. Great video with a lot of good info.
Thank you! Stop by our site for hours of Evo How-to videos and Twin Cam www.fixmyhog.com/videos/evolution-1984-1999/
www.fixmyhog.com/videos/evo-top-end-and-cam/
Have a stock, unaltered 1984 FXRDG- Disc Glide- and will have until I die! Great machine, great ride, most beautiful of all Willie G's ideas
Me with my 83 FXDG disagrees 😊
Nah, close but nope, the 84 FXRDG was the most dolled up, chromed out, and best looking, best riding machine Harley has made-That's why they only made a few-they used up the entire year's supply of chrome and gold paint!!!! HAH! @@bmp72
I have two evo HD (FLHTP 1993 and FLHTCU 1994), I had in the past FLSTF 1992. I recomend EVO with carb to everybody.
Landed on this video as im considering moving to an older Sporty. Havent owned a Harley in a lot of years now since an 03 Road King, but I've owned most of the major brands at one time or another.
Interesting to note how many of the cautionary questions for Harleys revolve around mileage, say 50,000 and up... Meanwhile when you find a Japanese bike for a decent price and its got 100,000 miles the immediate thought is.. "nice good for another 100,000 before i gotta worry about anything."
😆🤷🏻
Love my 97 FXSTSB… always thought it was the coolest Harley ever.
But getting her ready to sell… Am recently retired and want to find a touring frame EVO.
On top of basic fluids and adjustments In my experience things you should budget for: base gaskets, lifters, shifter pawl and centering spring, rotor and stator, clutch.
VERY TRUE!!👍🏻
Carb'd EVO is HD's last good engine. HD Inc chose to abandon it by obsoleting everything we need. RIP HD Inc 1903-1999. EVO's forever. '98 Original owner here, and a 45 flathead.
The reason that HD went to fuel injection was due to tougher EPA requirements. Same reason they started putting catalytic converters in the exhaust headers starting in 2010 and the reason the newer bikes were coming from the factory with a very lean tune which causes excessive heat but cuts down on emissions.
I can’t blame Harley for government interference.
@@coreycallahan7443 I can't blame the gov for HD turning their back on their once-loyal niche. Trying to build V2 GW's. Fail.
Same here, that's all I own. I wouldn't trade any of my Evo's in an even exchange for anything new even if it was a top of the line CVO. My carbureted Evo's consistently get 55-60 mpg. How many EFI bikes are capable of doing that? NONE....
@EricReality I have fuel receipts to back that up too. I haven't ever seen lower than 55 mpg unless I'm going in excess of 80mph but I rarely do that. I try to keep my speeds in the 60-70 mph range. Stock jetting and stock mufflers produces top notch fuel economy. Original factory cam helps also
@EricReality agree
After watching this I'm selling my fxr going back to Japanese bikes. I like to ride bikes and not worry whats self destructing and going to leave me stranded. I thought thr evo motors were solid, glad I watched this. Selling mine while it still runs
Yeah, whatcha got?
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My first bike was a 94 sporster, and the clutch was a little hard . My next bike was a 96 heritage that was very light, but after an hour, i couldn't feel my fingers too much vibrating but the bike looked great
Riding a 1988 FXST. Just had the top end done.
Great video. Not many on evo big twins. I have a few videos on my channel for my 89 softail. Ill be filming a clutch install video soon.
My '86 Softail had 2nd and 3rd gears with a different number of teeth, couldn't even buy cogs from HD with that number of teeth. I replaced them with correct gears from HD and all of a sudden my gears were evenly spaced for the first time.
I replaced the main drive gear, the 5th gear he held up in the video, because originally they were made from a separate cog and shaft, pressed together and welded on the cog side. The weld broke on mine and the cog moved on the shaft, so that I couldn't shift into 5th. When I got the replacement part, it was machined as one piece, so I guess mine wasn't the only one.
Only other factory fault was a transmission mounting bolt that was too long for the hole and broke through the floor of the transmission case. Never leaked though, so I left it as it.
I have owned 3 EVO 1 Pan I love the EVO They are Bullet proof long lasting engine .
How do you know if the mileage is correct.
How do you know if someone change out the speedometer? Thanks Great Info.Just located you and subscribed.
I wished you'd have covered the "INA vs. Torrington cam bearings" opinion.
I bought a 1992 dyna glide custom brand new and rode it till 1999 , put 45k miles on it commuting to work 60 mile round trip . Had lots of problems .
within the first year the high beam indicator bulb blew out .
Splines stripped out of the drive pulley 2 times , 3rd time harley redesigned them as you note. 3rd time i had to replace the main drive gear .
Shifter return spring inside transmission broke on a bike week trip .
Wire harness was improperly routed from factory and ignition wire pulled out of connector when handlebars were turned to the right causing engine to stall.
Lifter rollers wore out and caused front cylinder to missfire .
Cam bearing failed and caused rear cam jurnal to get pitted. Front cylinder exhaust rocker bushings wore out and became noisy.
I got stuck once going to work for a gas flow issue that i never did find the root cause of 100% but i concluded it was the factory coating inside the tank that peeled off and plugged up the petcock screen.
This is what i can remember
I have a 2007 twin-cam, and a 1992 FXRS. I use the Twin cam for the highway, and the FXRs for putting around these little roads in Ireland. My Question: is, do all the Evo motors have the same motor-mount castings on the cases, or are they different through the years. I guess the mounting brackets are the difference. The reason I ask is, here in Ireland we don't have the parts around here, like in the USA. If my motor or trans gets a problem I'd just get replacements from the states as whole units. So, does anything fit into an FXRS, or are they different? I have a chain-drive model.
87 for was the finest harley I've ever ridden.
Ive bought a 94 softail with 13k on the clock, what's the first thing i should be looking for and when?
i had 87"electra glide special last year , bought for 4.5k and always problem with it and spent 3.5k to fix here and there till finaly sold it cuz feedup just a few months later ,very dissapointed investment indeed.
now i have 96inch twin cam ( 07 softail night train) and am happy with it beside one thing which is Very Hot engine but i heard its normal with twin cam engine .
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I have a 1987 FLHTC I bought new and it currently has 103,000 miles on it. Never touched the motor and replaced a bearing in the transmission. Still have the original mufflers. Told my sons that they get the bike and give it to the future generations. Never sale the bike, keep it in the family. It’s the first one in the family. I’ll look for another evo Harley. This video is pretty good as what to look for. Fully synthetic oils are used.
Hi. Thank`s for a very informative blog.
I have, and have had, 1992, Daytona Dyna Glide, one of those 1700.
What I have experienced, is some oil mist on my tight boot!
The bike, I am the second owner, has 15000 km, on the meter. When I bought it, it was only 200km on the odo.No cheating, I spoke with the first owner.
I wonder, after hearing about the casings in those modells, are they prone to crack, as I am told?
If so, where is the oil coming from? The engine is never, as You understand, been touched.
Some advice from a pro?
from a Finn in Diaspora
I bought 2 new Harleys in the early eighties to help Harley stay afloat.
The FXR started the “evolution” of the company with the shovel head from 82-84. But the Evo definitely save that company!
Close but the Tour Glide was the biggest thing that had significant improvements over the other models
In bought the first year Road King in 1994 (built in april), aqua pearl silver, the pulley splines were "nicely" worn away (= disappeared in rusty dust) at 10000 km. I got it under warranty (same width splines, still have PN somewhere, not sure if the 1994 wider one, came that after june ?), mechanic said 1 in 3 were not torqued down correctly in the factory, and I was allowed to repair it myself. The "5th gear" splines were not damaged at all, mechanic thought because I was a "carefull" rider. I simply noticed 2 km from home before a traffic light just off the high way that I had no power to the rear wheel as if clutch was slipping (no loose belt etc.). After this repair I rode it until sold at 74000 km in 2001, had no problems anymore on this nor on other items.
Then I had the 1998 FLHTCI overstock in 2001 at very much reduced price (same price as the Road King in 1994 ! ), second generation injection system, only problem was that it gave once in every long holiday trip a hick-up as if one injection (or spark) was missing. I adjusted the idle myself, so not according to the book, but then you need about three times (one time in the dealer workshop may not be good enough), because of removing the airfilter to get at the small torx throttle adjuster screw, and then the cold idle stepper motor screw 2mm allen outside. Thus I managed to get cold idle at 1000 rpm (instead of 2000 rpm at some people), and warm nicely at 800 rpm (instead of 1000 rpm advised because of generator output etc.). If needed (maybe at longer idling) I kept it on 1000 rpm myself, and back to 800 rpm just before sliding silently into first gear. Rode this bike until 2016 sold at 91000 km, no problems with many holiday trips in Europe (I run always totally stock).
Then I bought the last (Touring) Twin Cam (I did not know this yet then) 2016 FLHTK, which is my holiday bike now. Custom colour Cosmic Blue Pearl, and also still stock, only the electric water pump failed and replaced it myself "by the new kit", no warranty in 2022, this is a known weak point, different story.......
The shovel head was the best sounding engine made and build heavy duty
I have 2 Shovels and an Evo. When I wanna beat the dog p!ss out of something I'm not getting on a Shovel.
Great video🙋
This is a long shot, but could someone tell me what seat this is ?
I heard the 1993/1994 crankcases (I might be wrong on the years) had some sort of issue: is that true?
I love my 1985 FXRS. The only thing I’m going to update is the newer splined main shaft and starter assembly.
Would like to see a video like this for the XL Evolution.
also go 1 tooth larger ft sprocket the speed limit was 55 and they were geared to perform best at 55 now they run to many rpms at 80 fixes the problem
Could you please tell me where to get this? Would love to make my '90 Heritage more highway capable.
@@angryray3929 JP cycle will have the large ft sprocket get 1 for a 95 up 5 speed and the spacer that goes behind the sprocket and seal the newer design sprocket goes on the splines further JP cycle has 31 33 and 34 teeth ft sprocket kit but order for a 95 the splines are a good upgrade
@@angryray3929 JP cycle has a kit but order for a 95 it's a improved amount of splines and much stronger than the Early 1 it's item number p311338 JP cycle part number hope this helps you
@@angryray3929 jpcycle sells a kit get a kit for 95 it fits a 90 just a upgrade i think you have 4 different size options
@@angryray3929 may work good going more then 1 tooth when i did mine i went 1 because thats all that was available i think 1 or 2 more would be even better i dont race so i dont need extra takeoff i need low rpms and topend
Go for a a Mikuni HSR 42 carb to replace your FI - better than the CV in my experience.
Hello from the Isle of Man. Thanks for a very informative video. I own a low mileage 1995 FLSTN. When did HD start using the INA cam bearing? Many thanks. 🇮🇲🇮🇲
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They used the caged INA bearing in 1992, I was there, bought new 1994 FLHTC after 1 year I put after market cam in it , Crane cam after 1 more year and 10,000 miles I heard noise, took it apart and the cam & bearing was bad INA caged
very good content here, thank you for your knowledge-
I have a 1987 FLHTC (Electraglide Classic). If I want to upgrade the clutch, will stock Evo components from mid 90s fit and work OK or should i go with an aftermarket clutch from drag spec?.
My '99 TC 88 FXDL is better than the '95 FXDL I had before. It's going to be a project whether you buy new or old. First thing to do is take off all the junk people stick on, it's a free upgrade.
Can a 1987 be upgraded 1995 parts where needed or is it throwing good money after bad?
Even the Sidevalve and knuck freaks tell me that the Evo was the best engine that Harley ever made
Is there any way to know if the speedo has been changed to a lower mile speedo? Seems easy to do…..
Easy to swap out speedo, harder to know if done, things to consider year of mc vs mileage, records kept, ownership tracking. www.fixmyhog.com/video/harley-digital-speedo-removal-011403/
What do I do about the starter for my 1987 is there a upgrade because it is a fresh motor and hard to start
Love my 77 FXE n my 72 shovels ❤️
I also have a 72, a Superglide FX, and an 85 FXEF Superglide (Evo motor in the 4 Speed frame)
The 72 is an excellent Cruiser as is, the 85 is cammed, headwork, high compression pistons etc. Great for riding like an animal.
Both give me what I want from them.
Great Info. Thanks Brother!
Thanks for a very informative video! I have a 98 RK with the efi Evo and I don't have any problems with it but I have always wanted to convert it to a carburetor but don't feel comfortable doing it myself so would it be possible to ship you my bike and you guys convert it over for me and if so please let me know and we can get together on this? Thanks
So that extra plate in the clutch would explain why the primary on my 96 is bigger than on my 98? Is it a different basket too? I havent done anything to the 96 yet i just bought it.
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Dam good advice
It all sounds like if you do want an Evo Harley-go buy everything aftermarket and assemble it. 😂
Yes, it’s gonna be expensive and time, consuming, but you’ll get yourself a brand new old Harley!
Why is it that they never mention the 85 chain drive 4 speed? Exactly the same as a Shovel except for the motor. 100 thousand miles on mine great bike don’t need any thing else.
I have a 91 ultra. Do you have to clean the belly breather tube?
More info here: www.fixmyhog.com/video/evolution-oil-and-transmission-fluids-031270/
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full Evo Service
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The older Evos are dirt cheap, the problem is that the people that that buy them think that the repairs should also be dirt cheap.
Sir, I am thinking of buying a road King 98 evo. If it is need's a engine rebuild, how much many are we talking about that I need to spend? It is advertised for 8000 euro.
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1400cc bored out evo with 3 speed transmission I want to buy this bike what do you think?
1990
AMF develop the evolution motor to counteract the problems with the shovelhead motor that was being pushed fast design limits as well as being throttled with pollution controls and for quality gasoline. AMF spent 6to 7 years developing the evolution motor. They got high on the hog and figured that they're s*** doesn't stink and they could do no wrong. They went after the aftermarket shops, went after mom-and-pop Harley dealership , came out with the Bean counter twin-cam with turned around and put them in the ass for warranty claims, killed the Buell line of Harley sport bikes well the while their prices got higher and their quality got lower. It is so bad people wish AMF was still in charge.
That's absolutely incorrect. AMF had no involvement with the Evo. ZERO!!
@@kennethwise7108 of course AMF shaved Harley-Davidson because Bangor put you would have demolished the plant and we would have Harley t-shirts mugs and stuff but no motorcycles. They spent six to seven years developing the evolution motor all the development work was done during the AMF years. It is you who is absolutely incorrect. You should do more research before you say something that isn't true.
@frankmarkovcijr5459 Share one article about that and I'll eat my words. NONE EXIST
If you think HD got a new motor together in two years post AMF I got a bridge you would probably like. I worked for HD in service. The gates rubber company was up the road and we saw their engineers all the time. In 1981 I saw the drawing on their desk of the evo motor as they were working on new belt final drives for the Sportster and FLH models. . You believe what you want. The development of the EVO took half a decade @@kennethwise7108
@@kennethwise7108 The evo was developed by AMF...and produced by HD....too bad it is not a family run business' any more.
I don't know what I have it has a block with last 2 numbers 73 an top all evo could be a evo shovel
I Got on a trade a 85 FXRS that has lots of FXRD parts
DOES A 1999 SPROCKET PULLEY IS GOING TO FEET ON THE 5TH MAIN GEAR OF THE 1992 GEAR BOX?
A 1999 front pulley will fit over the splines of the 1992 main drive gear. However, it has a different offset. Both year pulleys are 32 tooth.
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The change in the offset was in late 1994 bikes (Softails) Can't speak for the others.
Making me think I don't want a Harley.
I like to ride and I've worked on enough stuff in my life. Simplicity is more reliable.
? 98 fxdl Torrington bearing or not, my bike love it 46k ty anyone
Would have loved the V4...95 Dyna is great though...this dispels the belief Evo is a high mile trouble free motor...seems as problematic as certain later models
I OWN A 1990 /1200 ,4 ,SPEED (ANDREWS GEARS) SPORTY ,,NEW ZEALAND NEW MATCHING NUMBERS . IM AFTER NEW SPOKE WHEELS ! CAN YOU ASSIST ?
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I have an 89 softail, is it junk? I’m drunk 😂
$80 million in 1981 equals $288 million in the summer of 2024.
Harley missed the chopper era…
Gorgeous 1998 XL1200S, Sportster Sport. less than 10k miles, black and chrome, for sale. Northeast florida.
I like your videos but I disagree with some of what you I own a88softailand it's on its second time around the clock it's been absolutely bullet proof delcron cased I've done absolutely nothing to the engine I brought it at 98 thou. my m8reckons it's just run in absolutely love evos that much I just bought a 90fxr love em
Upgrade the inner cam bearing immediately. Mine disintegrated abd almost killed the whole engine. £2500 that's British pound's. Nightmare.
What I have seen is the less electronics the better. Any electronic component fails and you are walking. The price I have seen , failure is not an option.
Top end or bottom end breathers makes no differents jus saying
Harley as always sorced parts globally
Buy an Indian and just ride it
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