Arrowverse Fans Choose The WORST Mistakes That The Arrowverse EVER Made! Is This Top 10 Correct!?
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The biggest mistake was caving to Tumblr shippers and forcing Olicity upon us. It was all downhill from there, slowly but surely.
Except it was up and down from there, not all downhill. S5 and S8 are widely considered great seasons.
@@jaymckeown7601 I agree, there were still some very high highs between then and the end. But it represented a turning point in prioritisation and quality, the CW-isation of the series, marking the beginning of the end. "It's the slow knife that cuts deepest..."
@@jaymckeown7601 Those seasons were great because Olicity was broke up in season 5 and Felicity was only in the series finale
@@alexwallar8608 Did you forget they still got together in episode 20. hell a whole episode was dedicated to them. Stop crying coz you did not get your couple,.
@@nicoolio_gp olicity was endgame since season 2 since oliver laurel were dead as a relationship. it took season 4 where laurel-oliver finally became friends again. that shows how much toxic they were.
The biggest mistake was killing off Oliver in the first episode of Crisis only to have him return as some CGI beam shooting from his face guy. He should have been the Paragon of Humanity instead of Ryan Choi (another dumbass decision to add a new last minute character for such an important role instead of focusing on already established characters), so Oliver would represent humanity by fighting without superpowers, only bow and ARROWs and he dies fighting the Antimonitor at the dawn of time. That's how he should have gone out. Not just fighting some ghosts trying to save a universe that ended up being erased anyway.
A missed opportunity, Barry meeting the living Gideon from Legends.
I hated when they revealed Oliver’s identity as green arrow. Like the FBI chick was portraying him as a bad guy but like, he saved the world from an alien invasion, Nazi invasion, other awesome things, and they still wanted to arrest him!? To me the show runners did it just to put him in prison and that whole scenario. But you could have just sent him there for some reason that involved him being the mayor. And that FBI chick lost her job and sh!t the next season. That whole storyline made no sense to me whatsoever.
To be fair, that prison storyline was one of the best parts of the show and easily the best part of season 7. Him not wearing his mask or hood for most of the season was irritating though.
@@dariusporter358 that is true, I liked the concept and execution, but the reason why he got there was what got on my nerves.
I mean yeah, I doubt they intended for the FBI chick to be seen as a hero
I can see the government pulling something like that.
Making Eric Wallace show runner of the flash was one of the worst decisions they’ve ever made. The only good season he made was season 6, after that he should’ve been fired or demoted, especially after season 7
Not even season 6 fully, just season 6A and the other half was a snoozefest. Then he fires Hartley Sawyer and nukes the quality of the show with season 7.
@@ivanagustinortiz5237 i agree, although I actually enjoyed the second half of season 6, the mirrorverse stuff I wasn’t a fan of but I enjoyed the other stuff like the Grodd episode, death of the speed force, the reverse flash stuff, etc. season 7 was one of the worst things I’ve ever seen on tv period and the show barely improved in quality after that. I agree he also didn’t handle the Hartley Sawyer situation very well and it shows in interviews that he didn’t, and he screwed over the original actor they had cast as Impulse at the 11 hour who they had on hold since 2018. Eric Wallace is the exact reason I’m glad the show is over, which sucks to say because I love the show
Oh my god that mirrorverse arc draggggggggggged. And it just went downhill from there. Even the cinematography is worse starting in season 6. I don’t know if that part is Wallace’s fault but it looks way less cinematic from S6 on
I still dont understand why he used the excuse of in season 9 how they didnt have time to do certain things when there was like 3 or 4 of those bottle episodes that didnt need to happen and could have fit in some important and cool moments as like thank you to the fans for sticking that long but nope, only one Ill give him credit is the oliver return episode.
@@malivore7264 agreed, season 9 he did not know what he was doing at all except for episodes 9 and 10 which were perfect in my opinion. I have a whole rewrite of season 9 that’s loads better than what we got if you’d like to hear
No particular order
1. Killing off Lauren (I agree that I like the "new" character but I wish that E1 Laurel left the show alive.)
2. Firing Ralph Dibney
3."killing" off Caitlin/ Kion in general
4. The flash changing Showrunners
5. Politicizing Supergirl
6. Dropping the superhero aspect of the characters in Legends.
7. Breaking up Kara and Mon- El
8. Not making Cobalt Blue's villain motivation the fact that Barry made his "sacrifice" meaningless.
9. Red Death in general
10. Flash defeating villains "with the power of friendship" (talking villians down)
When done right barry using talk no jutsu was solid.
Legends didn't end on its own accord Pagey, they were expecting a renewal that never came, same with Batwoman.
Ngl with legends they should've ended it seasons ago but no they kept in dragging in more seasons and episodes doing barley any superhero shit and it changing its tone to be more goofie & wacky time travel adventure and once Constantine left there was no point in watching it
@@wolfgang6442i really disagree Legends is the second best arrowverse show it is the most consistent and embraced the show being satire
@@prodwazzam To a point where Legends became a satire of itself.
It takes a lot of bravery to declare you have no taste by saying anything past s2 of Legends was anything less than a horrible Doctor Who ripoff.
Firing Ralph actor was Flashes biggest mistake!
Giving Sara a permanent girlfriend and making her a regular on the show was one of Legends biggest mistakes, and stepping away from adding actual super heroes in Legends later seasons was a mistake as well.
Facts Firing Ralph without even recasting the character
@@nathanielwoods664 Nickelodeon's iCarly actor Jerry Trainor would've been a great replacement for Ralph
@@williampearson6299agreed.
Also how they just randomly stopped using their suits all together was quite stupid to me
@Totaldramaislife1 That's that TV budget for you. Explains why most times we saw J'onn on Supergirl he mostly always stayed in his human form
The fact that the 3 filler episodes of the flash s9 are so forgettable he thought s9 was 10 episodes not 13 speaks how bad they were
Great point.
It would've been nice if Legends could have more tertiary characters from DC comics, I mean that was the big draw, but we didn't get Booster Gold until the very End!
Making Oliver and Felicity a cannon couple and killing Laurel
Same mistake as Smallville.
Half and half, could ahve done without them, but Amell and Cassidy had no chemistry on screen.
i agree full heartedly
I remember I wanted Olicity so badly in S2, but by middle of S4, I was so burnt out of them. Their drama was ridiculous
OMG yes I absolutely hated Felicity she was the worst
Not necessarily putting the blame squarely on DC's shoulders, but definitely WB has been screwing over Green Lantern fans for a decade. They did a massive disservice to the fans who were looking forward to Diggle becoming Green Lantern, and even if his decision not to take on the ring made sense to the character, it was a complete and total cop out. The two main arguments for not having Green Lantern on the show were a)we're saving him for a movie (really, WB? Saving him for what? Certainly not Justice League....prats) b) we can't handle the CG cost it would take to bring GL to the small screen. Well, looking at the amount of CG that was put into those avatars of speed in the 8th and 9th season....the plotline NO actual Flash fan ever asked for....I again have to call BS. WB seems to think their fans are complete idiots, in that the fans can't distinguish between two different Batmen (one on the big screen, one on the small screen) or different Supermen, or two different GL's. One thing that the Arrowverse had going for it was the demand for inclusion.....and I'm sorry but the Lanterns were ALL about inclusion. You had a wealth of different characters you could have brought to the table....Simon Baz, Kyle Rayner, Jessica Cruz, Alan Scott.....and you absolutely blew it on characters that no one was begging for. Really? Chillblaine? Bite me, WB.
Not having Barry stay with Patty so that they could actually commit to killing his girlfriend in season 3 with Savitar.
Not having Laurel be in Central city when the particle excelirator goes off so she could get her canary cry.
Making Caitlin and Frost actually two different people like the Hulk was dumb.
Cisco getting rid of his powers just to continue to go into the field with tech that simulates them.
Not having Harry Wells and Jesse Wells death more of a big deal. I’m pretty sure only Cisco brought it up during an argument with Nash. In all honesty, keeping Nash over those two was a bigger mistake.
Speaking of people who came back, Oliver really a h*e to Quentin and Sara considering he brought back his mom but chose earth 2 Laurel over our Laurel. To be fair though, I’m pretty sure they did that with the mindset that they were still making the spin-off show.
I was looking forward to team flash with vibe, kid flash and frost with Barry the flash as the leader! That would have been great! But they ruined it.
I couldn’t agree more with your points on Harry and Cisco.
They made Cisco such a simp, too. He’s like a horny desperate middle schooler.
Harry Wells was my favorite Wells.
I always thought one of the biggest missed opportunities was not to do a soft reboot with these shows after Crisis. They could have brought something new and make big changes but the shows stayed pretty much the same.
Superman and Lois was the only one that decided to make something very different to what had been established before with these characters before they decided to keep it in a different universe.
I will never forgive Arrow writers for killing Laurel in Arrow S4 for no reason, and then shoving Olicity down our throats, after its disastrous execution in S4. The series never truly recovered after that.
S5 and S8 were decent though (as there was little to no Olicity) but they would have been better if they stopped pandering to Olicity shippers after S4.
you are just salty you did not get your couple.
@@hasan_1888 No. But Olicity fans are definitely salty that their "ship" isn't worshipped by everyone and it will always be remembered for destroying the show LMAO
@@nikhilsfamilymoments I only see you being salty. olicity fans got what they want. and they are still getting some form of olicity again LMAO
@@hasan_1888 please go an waste your time somewhere else.
I don’t think Olicity really ruined the show (to be clear, I didn’t care one way or the other about it). I think the biggest issue the show had was that the team got too big and almost all of the members were constantly whining about Oliver (Felicity included). That was what made me turn it off. I thought Felicity had way better chemistry with Oliver than Laurel did, so I didn’t mind them getting together (could have done without all the will-they-won’t-they that dragged on), but once the team just started complaining and backstabbing Oliver, I was done.
Frosts death was so anticlimactic
That's because she died like 5 times!
At some point, Wally West should've been made the new protagonist of the Flash TV show to change things up e.g Wally not having a scientific background.
Facts
Oh now that's a missed chance right there
They could've done that to continue the show if it really was down to Grant not wanting to return
I wanted team flash with both Wally & Barry like In the cartoons I watched and loved as a kid!!
Wally was a whiny, smug annoying character.
Biggest miscasting i've ever seen was the guy who played Hawkman.
Hawkman was so much better in the Earth-Prime comic
I think the number one biggest mistake was dedicating so much of Arrow’s final season to another show. It was the founding father of the Arrowverse and to use the last season as a springboard instead of a proper send off was an insult to the cast, crew, and fans
If u're referring to Green Arrow and the Canaries, that was only one episode, a backdoor pilot. But if u mean the season as a whole, then the buildup tied into Crisis and that's not a bad thing. It was still relevant to Arrow and the universe as a whole
Tf are you smoking? S8 was almost completely focused on Oliver, we only had the flash-forwards in the first 3 episodes plus the backdoor pilot, apart from that, it was basically a wonderful goodbye to everything the show had done over the years.
Having Cicile on the Flash is the biggest mistake on Arrowverse. #6 The best part of Arrowverse was their teams. But the way Tom Cavanagh and Carlos Valdes left did hurt the show, but not as much as Jessie Martin leaving in the last season. It felt as if the team was dismantled just because there was no Joe and we were stuck with a villain bigger than Reverse Flash a.k.a. Cicile Horten. 11:33 THEY CANCELLED LEGENDS and I can never forgive CW for that. We will never know if Team Legends was ever rescued from the time prison. 14:35 They could have mentioned in one line that Barry had to travel to a time prison to save the legends because he got an SOS from them or something.
Cecile and then the whole baby thing was ridiculous on the flash. Her character should have stayed a lawyer, single & a minor character
I didn’t mind her ending up with Joe (it was kind of cute in the beginning), but her list of powers is absurd. That was one of The Flash’s biggest mistakes. She should have been a mildly telepathic lawyer, wife, and mom, NOT a demigod.
2 things 1. Batwoman should have been introduced as a series before elseworlds and 2. The Arrowverse in its entirety should have ended with Crisis considering aside from guest appearances we never got real crossover afterwords anyway
They could’ve just not made Batwoman. It was horrible.
Flash’s final season didn’t answer the questions of how and why Batwoman was missing during the Red Death arc and how the blue crystal was created for the Cobalt Blue arc.
Ruby Rose left after S1 so they probably had planned for her to be Red Death but were busy trying to recreate a new character to play Batwoman so it ended up making no sense.
Olicity should've broke up and have Oliver end up with Laurel
olicity > barry iris.
Laurel's death was a big mistake but honestly I'd say Arrow's entire handling of the Black Canary was a mistake.
The black Canary kill was the worst, but for the reason of at the time there was consideration for a Black Canary movie rumors in the dceu that preceeded this, similar to how they had to kill of the suicide squad use the season prior
The Flash not ending with Wally West taking the mantle for Barry or Wally just not being The Flash for abit before bringing Barry back in S4.
Definitely agree! With the exception of 2 episodes, Flash’s final season was a COMPLETE MISSFIRE!!!
I wouldn’t say that it was still a great season
@@christopherlopes7321 it was the second worst season of the series
@@zachschmitt3654 not for me it was still pretty good
They should’ve bring Cisco, Ralph and Wally to help Barry defeat 4 former Big Bads
They rushed to make a Yara Flor Wonder Girl show way too soon. When they announced the show, the character was just announced and didn’t even appear in a single page of a comic book yet. They were literally working with nothing.
1. Olicity
2. Flash's dumb lightning sword
3. Dumbing down villains into freaks of the week
4. Evil Batman Kevin Conroy
5. Pushing non-comic characters on BL and LoT
6. No Justice League show after COIE.
7. Replacing Kate with Walder.
8. No Rogues
9. Arrow no longer noirish
10. Too many supporting characters.
Oh god the lightning sword.
What non-comic characters on Black Lightning?
Batwoman's series ending with the zombie (maybe Dr. Phosphorus or Scarecrow or whoever it was) is definitely a cliffhanger. But I think they hedged their bets on a "maybe one more season" possibility like Pennyworth did; and they ended up not getting that.
IMO these DC TV cliffhangers could easily be resolved in an another tie-in comic run like Earth-Prime. That JJ/William one still infuriates me, especially.
Hated Olicity, but they seriously couldn't write Black Canary (they had a great actor, but They just couldn't write her good stuff).
The only way I see they could continue with GA and the canaries is through comic books. Didn’t care for Batwoman, imo it was a terrible show, I was disappointed with Legends cancellation, it should’ve had one more season. Also, preferred Laurel and Oliver’s relationship over Felicity.
Batwoman got good in Season 3
I liked Oliver and Felicity’s relationship for the most part.
The ARROWVERSE’s BIGGEST MISTAKE WAS CANCELING LEGENDS!!! LEGENDS DESERVED A FINAL SEASON!!!!!
I seriously loved Black Lightning but I was so excited for Painkiller, in the backdoor they made it so distinct from everything that came before. Loved it!
I loved legends because how chaotic it was same with doom patrol
The Arrowverse slowly started going downhill as soon as it became the Arrowverse IMO. Arrow could’ve easily and should’ve IMO just stayed as it’s own self contained thing, same with the other shows. I’m glad they kept Superman and Lois out of the Arrowverse. And butchering Laurel’s character was a total misfire just to push up Felicity from side character who shows up every now and then to becoming a main character. Black Canary’s a really cool character, she should’ve gotten more attention. I’m not necessarily saying Ollie and Laurel should’ve been endgame though I would’ve loved that, just that her character was screwed over in general, even just to bring her back as a variant or I think doppelgänger was the Arrowverse term. Characters like Martian Manhunter who in Arrowverse canon, even Superman himself said is the most powerful being on Earth, even he to a degree would be scared to have to fight J’onn, were way underused though I do fully understand that J’onn could’ve eventually risked becoming a Deus Ex Machina, even risking overshadowing Supergirl on her own series though I personally wouldn’t have cared that much because I’ve always loved the character since the justice league cartoon (mainly because he’s green, my favourite colour). One last thing, I get this was probably a rights issue but that’s not really an excuse because they had a Bruce Wayne actor in Batwoman and even another one through the multiverse. They had the whole thing with Hush stealing Bruce’s identity, that should’ve been reason enough for Batman to come back with a vengeance if he was still alive, was it ever even confirmed what happened to him? Again I get that having Batman in the series would’ve inevitably overshadowed Batwoman in her own series but the show could’ve certainly benefited from the inevitable rise in viewership even just for those one or two Batman episodes, the positives would’ve outweighed the negatives.
I agree they dropped the ball with GL ark for Diggle very disappointed
For me for the flash it felt like at some point they stopped focusing on Barry Allen and started focusing on the side characters far more than what they should have
They totally did make the show less about the flash and more about minor stupid characters 🤦🤦
Absolutely I don't know about you but some of the filter episodes with Cecil and Allegra in later seasons was a borefest I honestly couldn't even watch and get thru it.
Killing off Laurel Lance not putting Barry with Caitlin instead of boring Iris. Those were mistakes
Truth
@@TeamForwoodLAZY Elliot Roger incels blaming women never ceases to surprise me. Women won't sleep tlwith you because of your own negative attitude, Dude.
If they would have kept iris' character like season 1 and not had her be the "hero" or the girl in distress constantly it would have been fine! But they made it so dumb. I also didn't like it when they moved in together & left Joe's house.....the family dynamics that was so great with scenes in Joe's house changed & it wasn't as good
@@nortfroggirl Nerds were never gonna be satisfied. Iris was made black and that's where the problem stemmed form. You're not fooling anyone.
Both legends and batwoman were on their last legs anyways before being canceled. The writers of legends were warned about the show possibility of being canceled
No thanks to WB, they did john constantine dirty in season 6. Flash tv show change their direction multiple times. Eddie and Iris relationship were too bland. Killed off laurel
Too many team members on the heavy hitter shows, especially flash. Also big villains from the comics like Brick, Komodo, count vertigo, etc were very underused. Those are my main ones
A mistake with Legends was making it about Time Travel; like right off the bat. I mean, the entire series was clearly just slapped together in an effort to take all of the ancillary characters from Flash and Arrow that the writers wanted to keep playing with, but didn't have room on those two shows and give them their own forum; yet they had no idea what to do with them. Case in point is the fact that the so-called "pilot" that sold the series was just a demo and then _none_ of that material actually ended up in the first episode (or I think _any_ episode).
They very easily (and I would argue, more to the show's benefit) done the series as a take on "Justice League Dark" and instead of a time machine/space ship, make their base the House of Mysteries. Instead of Arthur Darville playing Rip Hunter, make him the Arrowverse's John Constantine. Nothing against Ryan, but Arthur would have played that part well. Maybe that would have kept him around, as it was disappointing to see him depart.
As Constantine, he could have tricked the other main characters into accepting an invitation into the house of mysteries, which ensnares them in a curse where they become bound to the House in a mystical sense (not trapped inside it, but like, indentured to it). It can travel the world or even through time if they really still wanted to.
Within the show's actual premise, I think it was a mistake ignoring Mick's time as Chronus. I thought that was one of the more brilliant twists of the first season; and they could have given his character a lot of growth, because it would have provided him a lot of accidental intelligence. Here's this goon who just like stealing and setting stuff on fire and he's given the knowledge about physics and time travel centuries ahead of anyone else, besides Rip.
But that was kind of the larger problem for Legends, in my opinion, which was that it kind of relied on the main characters needing to be stupid in order for the plot to work. I mean, look what they did to Ray, for crying out loud. He became a caricature of the character introduced on Arrow. After they established that Gideon could get into the crews' head, I always thought it would have been interesting to find out that that Gideon, unlike the one from The Flash, was malevolent; and was actually manipulating the Legends the whole time, decreasing their intelligence to make them more complaint; and sending them on missions across time in order to manipulate history the way it wanted time to unfold.
I agree with Laurel. Her death was stupid, but the earth 2 version is much better.
From a comic book stand point, killing off Laurel (Black Canary) was the WORST thing they could’ve done. Green Arrow and Black Canary are one of the iconic DC couples. They even have their own comic run.
Number 1 has to be letting Eric Wallace right the Flash
Now that's facts
Well I'm 50/50 on that, yeah he's made a bunch of bad decisions but he's also made some good stuff like most of s8 was great and he gave us a powerful flash in s8 and most s6 was great
Genuinely surprised that since Olicity made it on this list, West Allen wasn't..once those two got together that was litterally when Barry couldn't do shit for himself.
One of the worst mistakes they made was what they did to Batwoman from season 2 on they should have recast Kate Kane and continued with the original character the racist nightmare that the rest of the show became was horrifying
you are quite the hypocrite. hating one character coz its not in the comics but supporting the other original character.
@@hasan_1888USA is born out of racism. It won't change until the demographic changes
Legends getting cancelled
And making Superman and Lois another Earth.
With Olicity, it was really more of the chase that got me involved. I liked seeing the nerdy girl fall for the rich and broody hero.
Batwoman's existence at all .. was just unnecessary
It was extremely forced and quality was shit
letting legends end on a cliffhanger will always be a big mistake to me. it was such a mess of a show but it was fun and it felt like there was genuine heart behind it, and i wish we could’ve got a satisfying ending
Not the biggest mistake but definitely one of the weirdest things in MY opinion was the fact that they made Barry and Iris adoptive siblings when they were the endgame pair. Like, why? What reasoning went there for this to be a logical conclusion??
Oh, where to begin?
1. Supergirl - SJW trash that hates Superman
2. Boatwoman - SJW trash that hates Batman
3. Flash after Cisco left - SJW trash with horrible, HORRIBLE writing
4. Inconsistent speed on the Flash
5. Captain Cold's gun causing fire explosions
6. Heat Wave's gun causing physical impact rather than burning
7. Dropping the ball with Diggle/Green Lantern
8. Laurel not being with Oliver rather than Felicity
9. Not keeping Brandon Routh's Superman for the finale in Crisis
10. Oliver getting kicked off a cliff by Ra's and not breaking his back (or multiple bones), then getting healed with Penicillin
11. Diggle's stupid costume; especially that helmet
12. Making Smallville's Clark powerless
13. Dropping the ball with Killer Frost
14. Killing Black Canary (Laurel), even though Black Siren turned out to be superior
15. Not giving the 90's Flash more screen time
16. The reverse Flash not killing Iris
17. Iris fake death
18. Giving powers to virtually everyone on Team Flash
19. Superman nor Supergirl showing up in times where they would obviously be needed, nor any reason given as to why. This is an issue, obviously without even needing to explain, but made more so by the fact that on Arrow you would see the Flash show up for like a second to help Arrow out of a no-win situation and just leave right after. So there's no excuse.
20. Oliver defeating the Monitor with an electric Arrow
21. The final battle against the Anti-Monitor - very uninspiring
Oh, is the list getting too long? Shame.
Too much screen time to Agent Liberty.
I agree with ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING
>SJW
>Oh, is the list getting too long? Shame.
Another conservative being condescending and passive-aggressive because that's just who they are: angry, unhappy people lmao.
I think the ending of StarGirl was heartbreaking and one of the worst things to happen on the cw!!!!
I loved that show but even that one I feel should've got a forth and final season like superman and lois but I guess the higher ups didn't see it that way for stargirl had lesser viewers than S&L so they pull the plug on it but luckily they saw the signs and made two alternate endings and they choose it but good thing they live on to have other adventures as said in it's ending
@@wolfgang6442 that’s why I said that
Biggest mistakes IMO
Arrow: Killing Laurel Lance, S4 Olicity (made it super toxic and bad)
The Flash: wasting S9, wasting Wally West after S3
Supergirl: killing Astra in S1 & moving on too quickly from CADMUS in S2. Wasting Cyborg Superman.
Legends of Tomorrow:
Killing Rip Hunter, not using him enough
Batwoman:
Making the transition from Kate to Ryan too complicated in S2. The trailers. Making Kevin Conroy’s Batman evil rather than Batman Beyond Bruce Wayne.
The ending of Crisis did not matter whatsoever as we didn’t get any real crossovers after Arrow ended. The shows got systematically cancelled, Covid ruined any chance of another crossover and Superman & Lois had to retcon itself to stay on air.
Doppleganger theory. I love the multiverse and multiple flashes showing up. But saying doppleganger theory and then back tracking to try to explain it works with Jay Garrick the FIRST TIME. But the moment Ezra shows up, 90s flash, etc. same for Superman in crisis. The word “doppleganger” never should have been said.
I have a feeling we almost had a Vixen show, the character was been prepared, but they choose Supergirl instead, this is why Megalyn never returned. Ps: Legends and Batwoman deserved more seasons
Not making Maxwell Lord the main villain of Supergirl S1
Letting Eric Wallace write The Flash
Almost everything post-Crisis except for Superman and Lois
Making Supergirl the least comic-accurate of the Arrowverse Trinity
Making Batwoman a thing. Just use Black Lightning as the fifth show in Crisis and add the Atom or Vixen as the seventh member of the Justice League
Making Superman and Lois a different universe
Leaving Legends on a cliffhanger
Not having another crossover after Crisis on Infinite Earths (Armageddon doesn't count)
Using Tom Cavanaugh as Reverse-Flash outside of The Flash S1
Getting rid of Ralph Dibny
Honorable mention:
Not making Jax Captain Cold in Legends S3
I agree with merging Supergirl's with the rest of the Arrowverse sooner would have been better. That wouldn't have need to be a full on Crisis on Infinite Earths type crossover; it could have been a precursor, teasing out the eventual outcome or any number of ways to do it. An Earth 1 with no Superman or Supergirl seemed incomplete.
Totally agree about John Diggle/Lantern. Don't wind us up and not pay off, that's just lazy writing!
Olicity and killing Laurel are, were and always will be one of the worst mistakes
The creators of the Flash were hoping to get a few more seasons. That's why the last season is kinda rushed.
Setting up Barry and iris as siblings
“Foster” siblings!
@@saintzeroinfinitystill spent their entire adolescence together
Why anyone wanted the Painkiller show is beyond me. He was the worst character in Black Lightning, and the backdoor pilot for it was atrocious.
Real shit black lightning as a show was quite decent but it always remained in its own lil corner of the arrowverse even after it got folded in wit some slight mentions of the flash but still it was its own lil bubble
The arrowverse’s biggest mistake was not giving Brandon Routh his own Superman show
The DC universe should’ve bring new Green Arrow and the Canaries & Wonder Girl in Arrowverse
The bighest mistake is not giving barry the gold boots earlier. We really only had one season with the gold boots. Season 9 didnt have much flash in it so yeah one season. But honestly most of this list couldnt be helped like diggles green lantern and the other shows couldnt happen because of covid shows running too long is cause of the network. If it was a netflix show or disney plus then yeah but its network. Plus people like flash should have successful seasons because hes a character with great stories so you know
Hmmm I genuinely haven't watched any Arrowverse episodes in a long time so I don't have that many fresh opinions about the list although I do agree on some of these but disagree on others.
If I had to make a list of my own, this would be it(This list is not necesseary very realistic)
1. The way the seasons are structured(except for Legends)
What I mean is that I feel the seasons of each show used their long seasons in very uncreative ways, like I do like filler but atleast I would like if the filler were creative and had some sort of purpose, like if you have so many episodes take advantage of that and expand the story with maybe more character drama or story that not only builds up to the finale but serves purpose through out the seasons. But since I feel like they couldn't do that, I feel like a shorter season would work better.
2. Ending The Flash
It had to end at some point but come one! There were many ideas left to explore, the characters and story weren't in the right place for the show to end, Eric wanted to adapt more big stories in the future which made the final season so unsatifying because it never were intended to be the final season.
3. Not adding Comic Heroes/anti heroes to Legends of Tommorrow
I remember the days of wishlist videos of which character to add to the team, Zatanna were one of the most wanted/requested characters I think, a lot of people(including me) were really interested to potentially see Dr.Fate. I feel like the earlier seasons nailed the feeling that I liked the series for, of course I love the goofy but have the goofy with more known comic characters and magic or cosmic powers. I feel the same about villains. Legends of Tommorrow was the show with most potential, while I love it I wish there were different characters that were introduced.
4. Not adding Wally West to the Legends
I don't know how it was behind the scenes, if Keiynan didn't want or want to appear more or just couldn't. I just think Wally were a very fitting and fun part of the show, I think story wise the way to go would have him be a series regular. Plus it would have added more power to the team.
5. Removing Hartley Sawyer and not recasting Ralph
The things he used to say were never okay, far from okay but as a trans person I question the firing, did he actually hold those same views? From what I know, no. He had already adressed his past and aplogised and said he don't thinks so anymore, if were gonna fire people for a transphobic past, let's apply it to Candice Patton who also said some nasty stuff about trans people. Ralph were one of my favorite Arrowverse characters and Hartley were one of my favorite cast members(based on performance).
I guess there are some more but I feel like these 5 are the things I genuinely think:)
They Actually Were Gonna Do 1 Last Season But The Flash Movie Was Comin Out They Didn’t Wanna To Much Attention Off The Movie Bc WE All Know Grants The Better Flash
Making Iris a terribly written character, and killing off Laurel are bad of course, but in my opinion the worst mistake the Arrowverse made was canceling Superman and Lois, that show is amazing!
4:49 I noticed this GREATLY after Crisis. It made season 5 hard to push through and I couldnt even finish S6, tbh.
A big shame because I really liked Seasons 1-4.
The biggest mistake, at least as I see it, was the universe doubling down on representation and diversity to the point even the people who liked that stuff or the people they were representing got sick of it.
Killer frost being evil cause the plot says so and then killing the black flash with a simple ice blast when eobard thawne, who worked with captain cold , was running from the black flash and didnt kil him when making a whole other reality cause he probably cant die but killer frost just boops him with a blast lol . They had no idea what to do with killer frost in season 3 and it was a harbinger of worse things lol
Savitar should’ve killed Iris. Still the single best moment in the entire shows history up until it’s revealed to be H.R. Wells.
The problem is. The seasons were too long. Shows like these are meant to have 13-15 episodes a season. You can’t make 20 hour long episodes each season without drawing out the storyline or getting repetitive
1. Was the green lantern ark in John diggle and the build-up? Oh wow, what a waste of time. That was all the crossover episodes. The build-up leading to nothing like if you're not going to do something then don't lead up to it and promise it and then don't fulfill and even show the green lantern planet in crisis and then don't do anything about it. It was absolutely a waste of time and I was so angry at it
2. For me and I think most people will agree. The Supergirl finale was just awful. I mean I was expecting so much better but it was just awful for a final episode. There was no climax to it. It was crud.
3. Frosty's boyfriend. He was utterly pointless. I mean what was the point of him? I think they were trying to fulfill an extra team lender with this guy and he was just pointless. I just they were trying to build him up but I just didn't go with it. I was so disappointed by this guy. I wasn't really impressed with him at all even if he did try and bring frost back to life and I know they were doing that story arc but still he was just not good enough
I hated that it was always Supergirl going to earth 1 for the crossovers. I understand why, there's more characters there, and it's easier to have 1-3 characters go to one earth rather than 20 to another, but I felt like they didn't even try. Even for one-off crossovers like how felicity was always on the flash. That's why I was so excited when they were there for crisis, but it just wasn't enough.
I also hate that they've put Superman on an earth of his own. What was the point in setting him up as Supergirl and earth primes Superman just to not do anything with it. Also, that Diggle crossover just confuses me, how do they know each other if there's no Arrow, Flash, or Supergirl on his earth?
Diggle in Superman and Lois mentions an Oliver that fought alongside Superman
Non-powered heroes like Green Arrow and Batman could still exist, but Superman is the only hero with superpowers
I'm rewatching season 1 &2 of the flash and another huge mistake was killing Henry Allen towards end of season 2. They should have kept him alive & had him marry Dr Magee!! They also should have made Wally kid flash & Caitlin Frost in season 2 rather then Barry making flashpoint & then they became kid flash & frost. Barry had just come to terms w/ his mom dying then they kill his dad! Terrible idea. Flashpoint story line was the beginning of the end for me really watching the flash. I forgot how much I didn't like about the decisions made at end of season 2
Yes #1! I had finally just started actually liking Laurel.
Tbh I hated Earth2 Laurel
Let’s not forget how the kept replacing actual superheroes in Legends in the later seasons
Honestly Team flash got too big, It was better before it was a team full of metas, vs just flash and some support characters.
Worst mistakes are the same with most tv shows or movies which are plot errors and unanswered questions
Now I havent read it yet but apparently in the earth prime comics which are canon to the arrowverse apparently its explained what happened to the legends after season 7 so read for yourself and see if that is the case cause i just heard that from someone who supposedly read it.
Very cool video 😎
1. I disagree also, they can always put them on the same Earth when they needed to, Earth X, the Dominators etc. So having them on seperate earths didn't make up too much.
2. I don't think the Green Arrow and the Canaries etc would have kicked off as well. People liked Oliver etc other characters never work as well.
3. Never watched Supergirl so much so I can't say. One thing I hated was how they changed her outfit and hair.
4. The Red Death stuff on Flash was shit tbh but the rest of the season was much higher quality.
5. Oliver was a human and definitely needed a team more but Flash was a bit too much for it when Cecile, Frost, Cisco etc began to get powers.
6. Diggle not becoming a green lantern was absolutely a short fall. He needed it.
7. I disagree, but it is a bit more down to quality than anything.
8. I kinda like Oliver and Felicity tbh.
9. Batwoman didn't do well, and it suffered. Legends of Tomorrow was a sin.
Happy to see Olicity in the top 3 mistakes. 100% agree. I don't agree with it backing them in a corner. They could have made Felicity "the person in the grave" when they teased someone from the Arrowverse dying. I like Felicity, I like Emily, but killing off Felicity instead of Laurel would have been much better over all.
But my personal opinions on the list-
10.I dont exactly agree on that although I will say they needed to be utilized more in mini crossovers
9.Yeah I agree
8.Um for someone who started watching in season 2 I always thought the quality was wishy washy it never really stayed mostly great or mostly bad and I cant respond to production values, I guess people mean the cgi, I dont get upset at that stuff like alot of people, to me there is no good or bad cgi.
7.It was a mixed bag, it certainly wasnt a great season but there were a handful or two of cool moments and as mediocre as it was overall it was still better than the movie version.
6.I did complain about teams in the past on other comment boards but tbh when you have like 10, 15, 22 episodes you sort of need teams to balance it out cause focusing on one hero mainly can get boring. My whole issue is sometimes the titular character couldnt beat their own big bad let alone a criminal of the week,the team should be to help out the main hero not win the battle instead of them. The flash show was particularly the worst at that and if they called the show team flash it be different and would make sense the team get to win alot more than just barry.
5.Yeah and it was insulting considering diggle had like an arc where he appeared on idk if it was all the arrowverse shows but alot of them and they didnt really lead to anything in the grand plan and he never became the gl, I would say it was probably saved for that justice U show that never happened but then we hear justice U took place like either on its own world or superman and lois world I forget so its not using the same diggle from the main arrowverse.
4.Yeah I agree on that it just became repetition and mostly just wasting money and time after a while. And the worst part of it is when a show does go on for a zillion seasons, it ends and there is still big questions unanswered.
3.Im indifferent to olicity I dont love or hate it.
2.I havent seen batwoman yet but the legends tomorrow thing Im only slightly irritated we didnt get closure, again there supposedly exists closure in the earth prime comic but I was getting tired of the show by s7 anyway, I felt that too ran its course.
1.Im also indifferent to that especially that we got another version, what I found more odd is in the arrow series finale oliver uses his spectre power to bring back quentin, his mom, tommy but he dont bring laurel back and even quentin tells laurel 2 that is fine with him so I found that bizzare.
Supergirl got too political, and Arrow and Flash got repetitive.
With #4 I feel like if the seasons would’ve been like 6 episodes shorter then the amount of seasons would’ve been fine
These all apply to the flash
Letting Eric Wallace write anything
Mixing the flash up with starwars
The amount of side characters its not called the cecile or the iris ITS THE FLASH DAMMIT
Somehow giving normal speed people the ability to defeat a speedster
Overusing tom cavanaghs reverse flash matt should have been alot more involved
When carlos valdes left barrys reliance on star labs should have diminished of course Caitlin would still be barrys freind so if she showed up regularly it would make sense but no need for Chester
The amount of filler episodes in the final season its already a shortened season ffs not to mention the LAST😮
I agree with number 6. I'm okay with teams with arrow but flash and supergirl doesn't need a team.
Which individual decisions were the worst are up for debate, but overall the writing really just fell off a cliff for every show after the first few seasons of Flash. There were maybe a few good episodes of shows here and there, but the early season of arrow and flash were what really allowed them to expand the universe to all the other shows in the first place, and then everything just got progressively worse from that point on.
In terms of the shows longevity, Arrow and Flash "ran too long" after their respective season 2. Although that's maybe disingenuous to the extent that, the later seasons would have been fine if the writing hadn't taken a dive; but maybe that's the same thing. If the writing standards can't be maintained, has a show run out of steam or run its course?
On the other hand, there's arguably no reason either show should have taken the dip in quality it did; and I think that's the thing that's most frustrating. I remember, it was maybe during Flash season 6 or 7 or something, catching a random clip on youtube from Flash season 1, which was the first time seeing stuff from the first season in a long time; and it caught me off guard, because I had gotten used to what The Flash had become and I was like, "oh yeah, holy shit, this show was _so good._ What the hell happen?"
And I think it's the to the same point with the Supergirl quality issue. I'd maybe question whether the actual production value of things like sets or effects was significantly different, but the writing wasn't great - but I'd also argue that the writing for Supergirl wasn't great in season 1 either. There's a reason CBS didn't keep it going; why they did a Hail Mary bringing the Flash on towards the end of the first season; and did a soft fold of it into the Arrowverse for season 2. It was already on par with the direction of the writing for the other Arrowverse shows; and was under the same overarching creative direction. The same thing can be said about Legends.
I did not have high expectations for Arrow going into the first episode after 10 years of Smallville (at least 5 of which left me a bit disillusioned). Yet, it did win me over right out of the gate. Then they made The Flash work. But something happened not long after that, where the stories just weren't as compelling. It was like they were resting on their laurels. They overused certain villains and plot premises. They over-relied on the serial arc, to the point where they knew immediately who the season big bad was going to be and spent 7-8 months treading water, in order to have the final showdown in the season finale; and the failure to stop them in the interim just made the characters look incompetent. They needed better pacing, and they desperately needed the benefit of more one-off, stand alone episodes that could explore the characters, give them growth and give the season arc a rest. Buffy the Vampire Slay helped popularize the serial format, but Buffy at its best was when it had a blend of serial and episodic episodes.
They also leaned too hard into the campiness. You can't avoid it entirely, but you have to be careful or it will consume the narrative, like it ultimately did with Legends.
Arrow = Batman, Flash, Martian Manhunter, Supergirl = Wonderwoman, Superman, Black Lightning = Green Lantern, no Aquaman Equivalent
Combining the Supergirl and Flash universe. Continuity Confusion Crisis.
Agreed on #10 kinda, like I think Crisis was the perfect way & time to do it, but it sucked cause all the shows ended basically immediately after
Killing Sara was a mistake. I don't care how it played out with her eventually coming back and the whole "legends" thing. First off, Legends of Tomorrow became such a frickin' joke. That's its own separate entry, of course.
But the nailed the live action depiction of Black Canary on the first try... and then they kept trying to improve it. And it did not work.
With the first season of Arrow, they punted on their depiction of Dinah by making her "Laurel," with basically no foundation for her eventually become the Black Canary. As it turns out, when tried to give her that story, the writers weren't up to the task; they didn't know what to do with Laurel, so they kill her off, bring on Dinah, don't know what to do with her, bring on another Laurel.... it was a mess. More importantly though, they didn't need to do any of that. Caity killed it. I much preferred her black costume over the "White Canary" look.
Like, make her the leader of "Team Arrow," doesn't matter if Ollie's still on the team or that the team is named after him; he was arguably a bad leader, if a good hero and Sara had what it takes to be a good leader, but deserved better than being the leader of the Keystone Time Cops. And while I'd much prefer a comic accurate pairing of Green Arrow and Black Canary (especially since I despised Oliver and Felicity; and frankly never cared for Sara and Ava) I could make my peace with Oliver and Sara not being end game - even if she had the best chemistry with Oliver than anyone else they tried to pair him with.
Legends ended on a Cliffhanger😒
This should be interesting.