Not a Garamond font fan myself but I do see the point of view on that. I've finished my book, right now I'm just going back to revise some Peaces and double space them as well.
As a long time deaf viewer, I do miss when your videos were manually captioned as they were more accessible. I do hope you'll bring those back again soon.
@@RikkiPReadsI can relate. I am a long time viewer too. While I am not totally dead, but I do have a hearing aid since one ear of mine is totally shot. People who have hearing have no idea how much they take it for granted. I mean that little device in my ear has really made a difference in my life.
Like, literally. Right when your struggling with your book, guess who swoops down and saves the day with one of her amazing vids!! Thanks for the video Abbie!! Your the best
Wait… what?! I just had my manuscript formatted, but I’d love to learn how to do this myself, and even possible improve what I just had done. ☺️ this is very exciting!
Keep in mind that this is for self-publishing books, meaning it's different from manuscript formatting! The former skips the manuscript part 'cause you're not sending this to a publisher, so it needs to be book-ready out the gate! The formatting for each is very different! lol.
This is the kind of thing I love to talk about when discussing the technical aspects of self-publishing. I've seen so many self-published books that, like you stated, really look amateurish and, well, look like "self-published books." I self-published an anthology through KDP (Amazon) in 2019, in which I put together the interior layout, chose the fonts, edited the stories - everything but the final cover. My goal was to have a finished book that, if you were to pick it up off the shelf at a bookstore, you wouldn't think twice about why it was in the store - you wouldn't wonder how in the world did THIS thing get in here? I've seen a lot of self-published books, some of which look just fine. But I've seen many more that have, like you said, terrible design mistakes. I did a ton of research about layout and basic novel page design when I was putting together my anthology. One of the first things I thought about was line spacing, or leading (pronounced as "ledding"), as it used to be called in traditional typesetting. I didn't realize how much there was to consider with just a page full of text: font, leading, type size, line length (you don't want the text to go too far to the outside edges of the page or too close into the gutter), where do you put page numbers, what should the headers look like, etc. Then, once I got the stories in layout, I had to do a lot of finessing to fix widows, short lines at the beginnings of pages, spacing concerns, etc.. I've since found ways to do this that streamlined the process. My background is as an editor (started out as a proofreader way back when), so that was also important for putting the book together. The anthology began as a project for our writers group, and when I started soliciting stories, I told everyone that the stories would be vetted and edited, that it wasn't just a group project that would be published using any and everything that was submitted. As I mentioned, I wanted the book to look and be the best it could be. I'm not a designer, but the research I did resulted in a nice final product. If I was doing a book that required lots of interior graphics and photos, I'd probably want to utilize a professional designer. I saw one self-published nonfiction book where the type size was so large that it looked like a children's book. This same book included black and white photos, but because the paper was not the better, slicker paper, many of the photos looked muddy. That, plus, none of the photos looked like they had been adjusted to look good - they looked like they were simply imported to the page without any adjustment for lighting, contrast, etc. I saw another self-published book that on the foreword page, it was spelled "Forward." I saw one book that had a photo on the cover that was only maybe two inches tall and the photo was the full width of the cover - the image had been "stretched" to the width of the cover only horizontally, but not proportionately, using both width and height. Also, far too many of the self-published books I've seen have a buttload of typos in them. I don't mean maybe four or five in an entire book - I've counted fifteen errors just in the foreword of one book. They weren't all spelling errors, some were bad punctuation, extra word spaces, things that the general reader wouldn't catch. But that's the thing - if you're reading a book and you notice multiple errors on just one page, that can put you off from reading the rest of the book. Bad amateur book covers are a whole other topic.
hello sir! Can you please tell us if it's profitable to self-publish on KDP-amazon? or If you have any other site suggestions pease feel free, I'm open for suggestions!
@@zakia-bin-salah It is possible to earn a decent amount of money from your book on KDP, but it depends on multiple factors: how good the finished product looks, what kind of marketing you do and how much, and of course, is your novel well written and a compelling story? I guess it's just the same as for traditionally published books, except when you're self-publishing, everything is done by mostly one person. Regarding your second comment, I am only familiar with KDP and have not published with any other online company.
I never did any formatting when I self published my first book. The publishers did it for me and now seeing the examples that you have given I must say , huge difference, when I queried it with them they said that's how their formatting works. Now I know better and will defiantly apply this to my future books.
If you do by-hand hyphenation, then what do you do the instant you have to do an edit anywhere in your manuscript? every hyphenation you did after that edit you have to find, delete, and rehyphenate. It seems as if there should be a good, automated solution out there.
@@WolfWriterL.P it was more of a rhetorical question -- no one should do by-hand hyphenation. LaTeX doesn't have these problems, and it's how I actually write my books. it's automatic hyphenation is way better than both automatic in Word and by-hand.
This was literally so helpful. I had most of my book in Times, save for flash-back scenes that were in a different font- I kept enjoying those scenes more during re-reading and now I know why. Thanks a ton Abbie!
I did some of these things as i was watching, and even just the font change made a HUGE difference! It went from my little thing in Google docs to "hey! This looks like a book!" Tysm Abbie!
Thanks, Abbie- Your instructional video posts have had such a positive effect on my writer's journey, Thank you from the bottom of my heart. I have never thought beyond the nitty-gritty of editing my manuscript, but this video has opened my eyes to a wider gamut when bringing down the curtain. You are amazing, and you have inspired me to Rock 🙏🙏🙏🙏
Thank you for making this master class because I'm like jumping out of my chair right now with excitement! 🎉 I've been trying so hard to figure out formatting, and you are the best guide I'd want through it! You are so easy to understand, and your videos have helped me through so many other pitfalls as a writer!
This video was extremely helpful before I send my book to print. I paid someone on fiverr to help with formatting and ended up still doing so much of it myself because they were not doing what I requested. Or they were not actually formatting correctly. Instead of going back and forth with them I began to research on you tube myself how to get this done properly. I am really I stubbled onto your videos. You explains things really well, show examples beautifully in your videos and give great tips!! What I hate the most about formatting is updating the Table of Contents. If I make edits to the book then realize the pages don't match up anymore in the contents page, the update is necessary. But I have it the way I want and going through the update changes the way it looks and I'm cleaning it back up again. ugh!
Thank you for this Abbie. I joined your Masterclass for book formatting and more. This will help me immensely as I never knew all what was entailed. I love that I can go back to it over and over to help me. As currently I use Arial Font and Size 12. I just use the standard MS Word margins and indents. But once I am ready to set up the formatting your class will help a lot. So thank you for doing this.
Graphic designer here. I have to disagree with you on point #3. I much prefer left aligned text over justified. While justified looks neater at first glace, having an uneven right edge actually helps the eye keep track on where you and it also doesn't sacrifice the even spacing between words. Of course, this is up to preference, but I think justified is sticking around as much based on tradition as anything else. In newspapers and magazine, left aligned is becoming more and more common, and I think books might follow too.
Same. I use align left since justify always looks more wonky than the "wonky" align left 😂, uneven spacings make me cringe, and because I use spaces for paragraphs (I know you aren't supposed to do that), justify means my paragraphs aren't aligned 😂😂😂
I haven't seen a physical newspaper in ages...seems that columns wouldn't be very column-y without justification ...or do you mean online magazines and news sources? Because yeeessss, the eye tracks much better generally with a ragged right, and the effect is more marked with online content. Hyphenation does the trick for justified text with a lot of rivers in it, but it sure would be easier to leave everything flush left.
@@Ykibmh If I'm editing fiction, I suggest Ragged Right, but for non-fiction, Double Justified is more appropriate. Other differences are indents and space between paragraphs. Fiction: indent and no space; Non-fiction: no indent and space between (about 3-12 points).
Yep, when I see l-r-justified, I brace for a headache. Wonky spacing between words is IMO jarring and irritates me to no end. Consistent spacing translates to smoother reading. Besides, with l-r-justified, what happens when the last line in a paragraph is two or three words? You get a real mess to read.
Formatting is SO unexpectedly important! Agents and publishers won't even look at the first page if it's not done correctly. From one published novelist to another - thanks for sharing this important video for new writers!
Agents and Publishers aren't looking for this kind of formatting though - they're looking for whatever formatting they requested (possibly 1.5 or double spacing, and probably unjustified, if memory serves) so if you're planning on submitting manuscripts to a publisher: look at what their requirements are, not this video. This video is for people formatting their own books for self publishing to make it look like a real book.
This is a perfect timing to understand this. I still have time to serialise every chapter from the last draft to the final product. Can't wait! And yeah it will be a better video I know. ❤
I cannot thank you enough for explaining justifying text, I never really knew what to look up to learn so thanks for this. Also as someone who always writes in times new Roman, thanks for telling me not to do that :)
For some reason I really don’t like it when people put little images or shapes in lines of text. I think if you’re going to put something there it should take up half or a whole page. If it matters enough to put in your book it deserves to shine. Besides everyone loves a bit of artwork to look at, that’s why we had maps and other pictures at the beginning of books. I miss seeing that. I only see it with authors who mainly published in the 70’s and 80’s
8:12 As a spanish writer using the spanish version of Word, autohyphenation in spanish works perfectly fine. didn't know english version had that error... how interesting
Thank you for the tip on proper justification... I didn't even know what that was! I went to my book (I'm finalizing the formatting), I switched it over, and now I can't UNSEE the huge difference it makes!
Thank you. Super helpful. What I struggle with is probably the easiest for others. Page numbering and section breaks. Always gets me huffing and puffing!
as a student journalist and writer i can confirm that times new roman is used specifically to keep more words on the page, which is why i never use it when i'm writing for myself 💀
I like TNR while I'm writing, for the font shape (specifically, the serifs). I just zoom in a bit and voilá. Side note: journalistic skills are very handy for developing the knack for titles, hooks, and crisp writing, don't you think?
Thank you Abbie, sharing and learning from your experiences is fantastic, you always have an insight and I think this topic is an important element for a first time (self or otherwise) publisher of any genre. Keep writing :-)
This makes me happy I saw this video before I returned to writing. This has really good advice. It also inspired me to get an account at Microsoft word. It also inspires me to write a book, even if it just sits on a self at the store collecting dust, because I would still like to see something of mine in print, but I never once gave any though to fonts. That makes me look at things totally different. Now I wonder how many books I turned down not due to a boring story, but simply due to the font? It also answered my question about spacing. This video also makes me wish I could show Abbie one of my stories some day. I am so glad I saw this video!
Good food for thought. Another good tip is to always use styles. Set up a style set for each appearance you need and change layout with a couple of mouse clicks. I'm not sure if Word supports loadable style sets, so that may not be a viable thing for all users.
I was told a long long time ago that Times New Roman is what I should use. While listening to you I changed my whole thing into Baskerville and I am amazed. When looking at them seperately I didn't think that looks so different but seeing it transform it is such a huge difference!
I've been looking for something like this, but in spanish, for like yeaaaars. Thankfully TH-cam has good CC and I can actually read english. You're really amazing!!
Hi Abbie, Great tips hope I need your class soon. Have tried writing my first book 5 times in the last 12 months starting 5 different stories. My first attempt was a mystery romance and a little too ambitious so I decided to go for plain romance but kept hitting a brick wall after a chapter or two I finally found a method that works and am almost halfway through my extreem rough draft of my 5th attempt. All thanks to some of your tips on another of your vids. Hopefully I can publish my first book before I turn 41. It's my goal for my 40th year. Hope to go back to the other books I started and finsh them as well.
When you mentioned the line spacing, I think it's worth noting that by default Word adds more spaces between paragraphs, and books do not have that. There should be no difference between the amount of space between lines within a paragraph and between the last line of one paragraph & the first line of the next. I also thought font size was important to mention when you discuss which font to use. It's a question that often comes up from new authors in writer groups. Additionally, I am not convinced that manually adding hyphens is a good idea, because if you happen to change anything in the manuscript you will need to go over it all over again to change the position of the hyphens and remove those which are now appearing in the middle of the lines. Plus, having too many hyphens on a page is actually distracting to a reader. And adding hyphens manually also means you wouldn't be able to use the same file for the ebook, as readers can change the font size of the text and even the justification on their e-reader devices, so again the hyphens will shift in place and appear in awkward positions.
Your Persuation Skills is definitely high level. Even though I can't afford the book right now. One day I will purchased it when my book got published. Thanks
For headers, I use display fonts. I aim for thematic ones that fit the subject matter. For Ciem-related content, I use Bebas Centipede. For Anarteq, I use Extrano-Arano for English text and Kisiska for everything that's going to be written in Inukitut. For Sodality, I use 60sekuntia. For Extirpon, I use Tequila Heights. For Cherinob, I use Living Hell. And for Swappernetters, I use Orbitron. What would you suggest with regards to using these fonts for headers? (I wouldn't use them for main story text. That'd be preposterous!)
I remember when I was little we were reading The BFG by Roald Dahl in class and I was annoyed at how the new chapters started on the same page that old chapters ended on. But then I read Stepsister by Jennifer Donnelly that used the same thing and I loved how seamlessly you could just flow into the next chapter (especially since there were a lot of cliffhangers). And it saves paper, so i love it even more! 😂
Justifying and hyphenating make it harder for me to read books because of my dyslexia. Is there a way to keep my book professional but still accessible for readers with dyslexia?
Just what I was going to say! I find reading hyphenated words really fustrating. I think finding the middle-ground between readers with and without dyslexia must be a tricky balance. I don't think I really appreciated the thought that went into formatting before, but I will now!
I'm going through the Masterclass and Abbie explains how to make these more readable. I understand now why taking the time to format properly is so important!
Thank you so much, Abbie! This is the one superimportant topic nobody ever cares to talk about! Also, can you make one about book trim sizes? I'm so confused which one to use for my book! As always, love your videos (and your voice)! 😁
I've always been so obsessed with how the font looks when i write, if it doesn't suit the writing, i can't continue because it'll bug me constantly. Nice to know that my font paranoia is worth it
About Hypehenation. My manuscript has sentences with very wide spacing. There is no way to use a hypen as they are complete short sentences. The only solution I can come up with is to hit Return on the sentence above and re-type the sentence with proper spacing, then delete the offending sentence. Any ideas about this?
Yes, I've always noticed hyphenation and HATED it. Hyphenation does NOt make for an effortless reading experience. I irritates the hell out of me. And.........................I don't use it when I format a book. And I'm not the only one to feel this way, so using hyphenation is not a universally accepted solution.
I am curious about the font because I just completed a minor in writing and all of my profs/tutors who have published books all said that the font had to be times new roman or arial for our books. So, I am curious why I have people in that field saying that and you saying this--and I am also certain I've read books in times new roman as well. I do think there are fonts similar to the ones you showed being used more recently, but maybe that is literally only for people who are self-publishing... edit: and as long as appropriate spacing is used with times new roman, there are no issues with reading. Our profs/tutors all said 1.5 or 2 spacing is required for books, and I haven't seen that non-existent spacing with times new roman since I read a small book published back in 19-something
I just bought Atticus last month to rebrand my book Series with new formatting with the new covers I'm getting so this would have been so helpful to have before then. Like you I've made a lot of mistakes but I bought Atticus cuz word didn't allow me to do custom scene break images or chapter heading images (that I knew of) or easy converting to epub so I can't wait for your masterclass
Loved the video, very informative! Pertaining to your course, I write poetry and was wondering if you would be able to create a course with the same contents mentioned in this course/video, but instead for poetry format/books? Appreciate your time!
I find the Times font the easiest to read. In the example given at 4:00, it had slightly less line spacing which made it look more busy, but with the same line spacing I find Times to be very comfortable which explains why it has stood the test of time. It also has a stylish "classical" look which I like also. To explain using Times as "cringeworthy" is really ridiculous.
Thanks Abbie as always. I will have to play around with it some more. I currently use Arial 11pt 1.15 spacing. I copied and pasted all four fonts for comparison, modified to 1.25. Spacing. I compared to the original. I get the scary feeling of possibly trashing the entire story. 😊
I need to format my books all over again. Thanks, Abbie, for the eye-opening lesson. One thing I'd advise everyone to avoid. Dictate for Word. For its ease of use, it creates weeks of manuscript inspection to correct all the words it misspells for you. Terrible.
I've only been reading eBooks for years. So my favourite books are formatted the way I want them. My printed books are usually 20+yo. All in Times New Roman and no spacing.
This was a great video, Abbie. I do have a couple of questions. First, you used the example (for spacing related to font choice) of Garamond size 11. Has anyone ever complained about that being small? I've had one person tell me that my font was too small, and it was bigger than that. Granted, that's just one person, but it was someone close to me that I really wanted to enjoy the book. Question 2A): you advised against using auto-hyphenation in MS Word. I use Apple Pages. Can you comment on their hyphenation feature? And question 2B): I noticed that you use a Mac. Is there a specific reason you use MS Word, and not Pages? Thank you so much.
1. you gave me a new favorite font: Lora and I will probably be using that from now til the end of time 2. I actually follow along quite well when it's times new roman. Maybe that's just me, but I read faster than when it's a different font.
okay.... I have a few questions and I'm just on the third question in the video, so I don't know if these will be answered or not! Okay, so when you make a new paragraph in your book, and y'all know the spaces you guys have to do? Exactly how many spaces do you have to put before you start your sentence? Another question is how you do like-- the pages *IN DOCS* where it will look like you are reading your book, for example, you're reading your novel on your laptop/computer. Third and last is the font GB Garamond in docs okay for the novel font? OH OH and...how do you make your own symbol when you fast forward in your novel?
I got so many flashbacks from my Print Publishing class (mainly for magazines), a lot of the points you made were brought up then too even though magazine and books are different formats.
I tried formating in the suggested fonts and I didn't try printing, but can't stand these fonts on the computer, so I left myself a note on the first page of the novel to reformat when printing. When editing, I love Ariel because it is so easy to read on the computer screen.
This course is just for paperbacks and hardcovers -- but I have an in depth free tutorial on how to use Vellum for formatting ebooks: th-cam.com/video/phus9fRekR4/w-d-xo.html
Finally a subject no one talks about for some reason.
Agreed!
So true !
😂 I feel it!
I was like... "I never thought of that being a thing? Let's watch!"
2:40 - 8:12: Garamond, size 11, 1.25 spacing, justification and manual hyphenation
8:13 - 16:56: Masterclass pitch
actual advice begins at 2:40 everything prior is "I'm going to do this"
Thanks. I don't want to waste my time with a master class pitch.
Not a Garamond font fan myself but I do see the point of view on that. I've finished my book, right now I'm just going back to revise some Peaces and double space them as well.
@@matthewhuntcrothers7491 Congrats! I'm still revising mine. It's such a long process.
@@deryago hear, hear
As a long time deaf viewer, I do miss when your videos were manually captioned as they were more accessible. I do hope you'll bring those back again soon.
Sorry if I sound rude but what is the difference between deaf and long-time deaf?
@@Harper_Batin I think they mean a long-time viewer of the channel, who is also deaf.
@@RidleyJones Okay , that makes sense
I was telling her that I'm a long time viewer of hers who is deaf and was subscribed to her because of her manually accessible content. @@Harper_Batin
@@RikkiPReadsI can relate. I am a long time viewer too. While I am not totally dead, but I do have a hearing aid since one ear of mine is totally shot. People who have hearing have no idea how much they take it for granted. I mean that little device in my ear has really made a difference in my life.
That hyphenation tip to make justified text look better is so useful. Why have no one told me this before
Like, literally. Right when your struggling with your book, guess who swoops down and saves the day with one of her amazing vids!! Thanks for the video Abbie!! Your the best
Wait… what?! I just had my manuscript formatted, but I’d love to learn how to do this myself, and even possible improve what I just had done. ☺️ this is very exciting!
Keep in mind that this is for self-publishing books, meaning it's different from manuscript formatting! The former skips the manuscript part 'cause you're not sending this to a publisher, so it needs to be book-ready out the gate! The formatting for each is very different! lol.
I’m so so excited to come back to this Masterclass when I’m ready to format my manuscript. Thank you for creating such empowering content, Abbie
This is the kind of thing I love to talk about when discussing the technical aspects of self-publishing. I've seen so many self-published books that, like you stated, really look amateurish and, well, look like "self-published books."
I self-published an anthology through KDP (Amazon) in 2019, in which I put together the interior layout, chose the fonts, edited the stories - everything but the final cover. My goal was to have a finished book that, if you were to pick it up off the shelf at a bookstore, you wouldn't think twice about why it was in the store - you wouldn't wonder how in the world did THIS thing get in here?
I've seen a lot of self-published books, some of which look just fine. But I've seen many more that have, like you said, terrible design mistakes. I did a ton of research about layout and basic novel page design when I was putting together my anthology. One of the first things I thought about was line spacing, or leading (pronounced as "ledding"), as it used to be called in traditional typesetting. I didn't realize how much there was to consider with just a page full of text: font, leading, type size, line length (you don't want the text to go too far to the outside edges of the page or too close into the gutter), where do you put page numbers, what should the headers look like, etc.
Then, once I got the stories in layout, I had to do a lot of finessing to fix widows, short lines at the beginnings of pages, spacing concerns, etc.. I've since found ways to do this that streamlined the process.
My background is as an editor (started out as a proofreader way back when), so that was also important for putting the book together. The anthology began as a project for our writers group, and when I started soliciting stories, I told everyone that the stories would be vetted and edited, that it wasn't just a group project that would be published using any and everything that was submitted. As I mentioned, I wanted the book to look and be the best it could be.
I'm not a designer, but the research I did resulted in a nice final product. If I was doing a book that required lots of interior graphics and photos, I'd probably want to utilize a professional designer.
I saw one self-published nonfiction book where the type size was so large that it looked like a children's book. This same book included black and white photos, but because the paper was not the better, slicker paper, many of the photos looked muddy. That, plus, none of the photos looked like they had been adjusted to look good - they looked like they were simply imported to the page without any adjustment for lighting, contrast, etc.
I saw another self-published book that on the foreword page, it was spelled "Forward." I saw one book that had a photo on the cover that was only maybe two inches tall and the photo was the full width of the cover - the image had been "stretched" to the width of the cover only horizontally, but not proportionately, using both width and height.
Also, far too many of the self-published books I've seen have a buttload of typos in them. I don't mean maybe four or five in an entire book - I've counted fifteen errors just in the foreword of one book. They weren't all spelling errors, some were bad punctuation, extra word spaces, things that the general reader wouldn't catch. But that's the thing - if you're reading a book and you notice multiple errors on just one page, that can put you off from reading the rest of the book.
Bad amateur book covers are a whole other topic.
hello sir! Can you please tell us if it's profitable to self-publish on KDP-amazon? or If you have any other site suggestions pease feel free, I'm open for suggestions!
@@zakia-bin-salah It is possible to earn a decent amount of money from your book on KDP, but it depends on multiple factors: how good the finished product looks, what kind of marketing you do and how much, and of course, is your novel well written and a compelling story? I guess it's just the same as for traditionally published books, except when you're self-publishing, everything is done by mostly one person.
Regarding your second comment, I am only familiar with KDP and have not published with any other online company.
I never did any formatting when I self published my first book. The publishers did it for me and now seeing the examples that you have given I must say , huge difference, when I queried it with them they said that's how their formatting works. Now I know better and will defiantly apply this to my future books.
"Defiantly" or definitely?
@@petehealy9819 Well Pete, it would be quite hilarious if they decided to apply them reluctantly 😂
@@petehealy9819 I cant tell if they are joking or not
@@petehealy9819 Defiantly.
I love header/pov/chapter imagery. Just adds something different. Im also enjoying text convos in bubbles 😅
If you do by-hand hyphenation, then what do you do the instant you have to do an edit anywhere in your manuscript? every hyphenation you did after that edit you have to find, delete, and rehyphenate. It seems as if there should be a good, automated solution out there.
@@WolfWriterL.P it was more of a rhetorical question -- no one should do by-hand hyphenation. LaTeX doesn't have these problems, and it's how I actually write my books. it's automatic hyphenation is way better than both automatic in Word and by-hand.
This was literally so helpful. I had most of my book in Times, save for flash-back scenes that were in a different font- I kept enjoying those scenes more during re-reading and now I know why. Thanks a ton Abbie!
I did some of these things as i was watching, and even just the font change made a HUGE difference! It went from my little thing in Google docs to "hey! This looks like a book!" Tysm Abbie!
Thanks, Abbie- Your instructional video posts have had such a positive effect on my writer's journey, Thank you from the bottom of my heart. I have never thought beyond the nitty-gritty of editing my manuscript, but this video has opened my eyes to a wider gamut when bringing down the curtain. You are amazing, and you have inspired me to Rock 🙏🙏🙏🙏
Perfect timing, Abbie! So excited for this! ❤
Such valuable information! Thank you so much.
I'm about six months from publishing my first book. Huge thanks for this video, Abbie.
Thank you for making this master class because I'm like jumping out of my chair right now with excitement! 🎉 I've been trying so hard to figure out formatting, and you are the best guide I'd want through it! You are so easy to understand, and your videos have helped me through so many other pitfalls as a writer!
I just love you. I was literally talking about how I don’t know how to format. I’m working on my first novel and you’re helping so much!
This video was extremely helpful before I send my book to print. I paid someone on fiverr to help with formatting and ended up still doing so much of it myself because they were not doing what I requested. Or they were not actually formatting correctly. Instead of going back and forth with them I began to research on you tube myself how to get this done properly. I am really I stubbled onto your videos. You explains things really well, show examples beautifully in your videos and give great tips!!
What I hate the most about formatting is updating the Table of Contents. If I make edits to the book then realize the pages don't match up anymore in the contents page, the update is necessary. But I have it the way I want and going through the update changes the way it looks and I'm cleaning it back up again. ugh!
This was such a fantastic video! Not only the content but also the the way you presented it.
Thank you for this Abbie. I joined your Masterclass for book formatting and more. This will help me immensely as I never knew all what was entailed. I love that I can go back to it over and over to help me. As currently I use Arial Font and Size 12. I just use the standard MS Word margins and indents. But once I am ready to set up the formatting your class will help a lot. So thank you for doing this.
Graphic designer here. I have to disagree with you on point #3. I much prefer left aligned text over justified. While justified looks neater at first glace, having an uneven right edge actually helps the eye keep track on where you and it also doesn't sacrifice the even spacing between words.
Of course, this is up to preference, but I think justified is sticking around as much based on tradition as anything else. In newspapers and magazine, left aligned is becoming more and more common, and I think books might follow too.
Same. I use align left since justify always looks more wonky than the "wonky" align left 😂, uneven spacings make me cringe, and because I use spaces for paragraphs (I know you aren't supposed to do that), justify means my paragraphs aren't aligned 😂😂😂
I haven't seen a physical newspaper in ages...seems that columns wouldn't be very column-y without justification ...or do you mean online magazines and news sources? Because yeeessss, the eye tracks much better generally with a ragged right, and the effect is more marked with online content.
Hyphenation does the trick for justified text with a lot of rivers in it, but it sure would be easier to leave everything flush left.
@@Ykibmh If I'm editing fiction, I suggest Ragged Right, but for non-fiction, Double Justified is more appropriate. Other differences are indents and space between paragraphs. Fiction: indent and no space; Non-fiction: no indent and space between (about 3-12 points).
Yep, when I see l-r-justified, I brace for a headache. Wonky spacing between words is IMO jarring and irritates me to no end. Consistent spacing translates to smoother reading.
Besides, with l-r-justified, what happens when the last line in a paragraph is two or three words? You get a real mess to read.
Formatting is SO unexpectedly important! Agents and publishers won't even look at the first page if it's not done correctly. From one published novelist to another - thanks for sharing this important video for new writers!
Agents and Publishers aren't looking for this kind of formatting though - they're looking for whatever formatting they requested (possibly 1.5 or double spacing, and probably unjustified, if memory serves) so if you're planning on submitting manuscripts to a publisher: look at what their requirements are, not this video. This video is for people formatting their own books for self publishing to make it look like a real book.
I'd always wondered about hyphenations in the books I read and why they're there - really enjoyed learning why.
This is a perfect timing to understand this. I still have time to serialise every chapter from the last draft to the final product. Can't wait! And yeah it will be a better video I know. ❤
Good to hear, that Cambria is recommended. I chose it by myself by just looking at different fonts.If it looks good to read.
I cannot thank you enough for explaining justifying text, I never really knew what to look up to learn so thanks for this. Also as someone who always writes in times new Roman, thanks for telling me not to do that :)
For some reason I really don’t like it when people put little images or shapes in lines of text. I think if you’re going to put something there it should take up half or a whole page. If it matters enough to put in your book it deserves to shine. Besides everyone loves a bit of artwork to look at, that’s why we had maps and other pictures at the beginning of books.
I miss seeing that. I only see it with authors who mainly published in the 70’s and 80’s
6:05 THANK YOU! I see this in so many Kindle books as well and it annoys the heck out of me.
Great information Abbie. Never thought about these things, but so glad you shared this with us.
I've been wondering about this, and toying with it as I've been writing my book. Thanks for the tips and the class. I'll definitely check it out!
Thank you for confirming the reasons to format my own book.
From the research I've done the default font size is 12.
My fav font lately is Calibri. I used to hate it, but it grew on me somehow before I knew it.
Totally needed this ASAP!! THX ABBIE!! You're the best by far
It’s like you read my mind! My editor and I are nearly done editing and about time to format!
8:12 As a spanish writer using the spanish version of Word, autohyphenation in spanish works perfectly fine. didn't know english version had that error... how interesting
As a writer and reader with Dyslexic thank you! It’s important to be readable or, well, we won’t read it 🤷🏻♀️
Thank you for the tip on proper justification... I didn't even know what that was! I went to my book (I'm finalizing the formatting), I switched it over, and now I can't UNSEE the huge difference it makes!
I'm months away from needing this and wouldn't have had a clue this was the a thing to consider
Thank you for the video, off the top of my head all fonts looked like Times New Roman 😅 glad I watched this 😊
Thank you for this video/masterclass!! I love formatting and thinking about how I want to format my own books so this is super helpful❤️
Thank you. Super helpful. What I struggle with is probably the easiest for others. Page numbering and section breaks. Always gets me huffing and puffing!
as a student journalist and writer i can confirm that times new roman is used specifically to keep more words on the page, which is why i never use it when i'm writing for myself 💀
I like TNR while I'm writing, for the font shape (specifically, the serifs). I just zoom in a bit and voilá. Side note: journalistic skills are very handy for developing the knack for titles, hooks, and crisp writing, don't you think?
Thank you Abbie, sharing and learning from your experiences is fantastic, you always have an insight and I think this topic is an important element for a first time (self or otherwise) publisher of any genre. Keep writing :-)
Hey Abbie - thanks so much for this great video!
This makes me happy I saw this video before I returned to writing. This has really good advice. It also inspired me to get an account at Microsoft word. It also inspires me to write a book, even if it just sits on a self at the store collecting dust, because I would still like to see something of mine in print, but I never once gave any though to fonts. That makes me look at things totally different. Now I wonder how many books I turned down not due to a boring story, but simply due to the font? It also answered my question about spacing. This video also makes me wish I could show Abbie one of my stories some day. I am so glad I saw this video!
Good food for thought. Another good tip is to always use styles. Set up a style set for each appearance you need and change layout with a couple of mouse clicks. I'm not sure if Word supports loadable style sets, so that may not be a viable thing for all users.
This was very helpful. I couldn't find video that explains all those editing problems, until I watched this!
This class is worth every penny, I can tell. Saving the link, and it's on my to-do list. Thanks, Abbie!
I was told a long long time ago that Times New Roman is what I should use. While listening to you I changed my whole thing into Baskerville and I am amazed. When looking at them seperately I didn't think that looks so different but seeing it transform it is such a huge difference!
I've been looking for something like this, but in spanish, for like yeaaaars. Thankfully TH-cam has good CC and I can actually read english. You're really amazing!!
The only difference I can see between Times New Roman and Garamond at 4:05 is the line spacing. The text is exactly the same.
Aah, this is so helpful! Thank you, Abbie! You're videos are always the best :D
Excellent tips! And y’all who are formatting in Word are super smart and tech savvy. I use Vellum and it saves my life lol
Hi Abbie, Great tips hope I need your class soon. Have tried writing my first book 5 times in the last 12 months starting 5 different stories. My first attempt was a mystery romance and a little too ambitious so I decided to go for plain romance but kept hitting a brick wall after a chapter or two I finally found a method that works and am almost halfway through my extreem rough draft of my 5th attempt. All thanks to some of your tips on another of your vids. Hopefully I can publish my first book before I turn 41. It's my goal for my 40th year. Hope to go back to the other books I started and finsh them as well.
When it's out, you must tell us, it's such an amazing thing to have this as your goal!
When you mentioned the line spacing, I think it's worth noting that by default Word adds more spaces between paragraphs, and books do not have that. There should be no difference between the amount of space between lines within a paragraph and between the last line of one paragraph & the first line of the next.
I also thought font size was important to mention when you discuss which font to use. It's a question that often comes up from new authors in writer groups.
Additionally, I am not convinced that manually adding hyphens is a good idea, because if you happen to change anything in the manuscript you will need to go over it all over again to change the position of the hyphens and remove those which are now appearing in the middle of the lines. Plus, having too many hyphens on a page is actually distracting to a reader. And adding hyphens manually also means you wouldn't be able to use the same file for the ebook, as readers can change the font size of the text and even the justification on their e-reader devices, so again the hyphens will shift in place and appear in awkward positions.
Your Persuation Skills is definitely high level. Even though I can't afford the book right now. One day I will purchased it when my book got published. Thanks
About the fonts: I am so happy tjat you recommended Cambria because that's my favourite as it's eye-friendly .
For headers, I use display fonts. I aim for thematic ones that fit the subject matter. For Ciem-related content, I use Bebas Centipede. For Anarteq, I use Extrano-Arano for English text and Kisiska for everything that's going to be written in Inukitut. For Sodality, I use 60sekuntia. For Extirpon, I use Tequila Heights. For Cherinob, I use Living Hell. And for Swappernetters, I use Orbitron. What would you suggest with regards to using these fonts for headers? (I wouldn't use them for main story text. That'd be preposterous!)
I remember when I was little we were reading The BFG by Roald Dahl in class and I was annoyed at how the new chapters started on the same page that old chapters ended on. But then I read Stepsister by Jennifer Donnelly that used the same thing and I loved how seamlessly you could just flow into the next chapter (especially since there were a lot of cliffhangers). And it saves paper, so i love it even more! 😂
Justifying and hyphenating make it harder for me to read books because of my dyslexia.
Is there a way to keep my book professional but still accessible for readers with dyslexia?
Just what I was going to say! I find reading hyphenated words really fustrating. I think finding the middle-ground between readers with and without dyslexia must be a tricky balance. I don't think I really appreciated the thought that went into formatting before, but I will now!
I'm going through the Masterclass and Abbie explains how to make these more readable. I understand now why taking the time to format properly is so important!
Thank you for your content
Very useful and interesting! Thanks
Aesthetics! Thanks for this piece, Abbie.
I use Vellum for my paperback and ebooks. Love it ❤
7:11 so THAT'S why they do that! That makes so much sense!
Thank you for this advice. I really need that.
Thank you so much, Abbie! This is the one superimportant topic nobody ever cares to talk about!
Also, can you make one about book trim sizes? I'm so confused which one to use for my book!
As always, love your videos (and your voice)! 😁
I've always been so obsessed with how the font looks when i write, if it doesn't suit the writing, i can't continue because it'll bug me constantly. Nice to know that my font paranoia is worth it
I used to do hot metal typesetting, and Garamond was always my favorite, followed by Bodoni Book.
Park Avenue makes for very attractive titles.
About Hypehenation. My manuscript has sentences with very wide spacing. There is no way to use a hypen as they are complete short sentences. The only solution I can come up with is to hit Return on the sentence above and re-type the sentence with proper spacing, then delete the offending sentence. Any ideas about this?
This was hilarious-and brilliant! Thanks, Abbie!
Yes, I've always noticed hyphenation and HATED it. Hyphenation does NOt make for an effortless reading experience. I irritates the hell out of me. And.........................I don't use it when I format a book. And I'm not the only one to feel this way, so using hyphenation is not a universally accepted solution.
I am curious about the font because I just completed a minor in writing and all of my profs/tutors who have published books all said that the font had to be times new roman or arial for our books. So, I am curious why I have people in that field saying that and you saying this--and I am also certain I've read books in times new roman as well. I do think there are fonts similar to the ones you showed being used more recently, but maybe that is literally only for people who are self-publishing...
edit: and as long as appropriate spacing is used with times new roman, there are no issues with reading. Our profs/tutors all said 1.5 or 2 spacing is required for books, and I haven't seen that non-existent spacing with times new roman since I read a small book published back in 19-something
Congrats on 400k! You deserve it xxx
I just bought Atticus last month to rebrand my book Series with new formatting with the new covers I'm getting so this would have been so helpful to have before then. Like you I've made a lot of mistakes but I bought Atticus cuz word didn't allow me to do custom scene break images or chapter heading images (that I knew of) or easy converting to epub so I can't wait for your masterclass
Loved the video, very informative! Pertaining to your course, I write poetry and was wondering if you would be able to create a course with the same contents mentioned in this course/video, but instead for poetry format/books? Appreciate your time!
It’s really heartwarming to know I’m not the only one who’s completely turned off by janky justification!
I find the Times font the easiest to read. In the example given at 4:00, it had slightly less line spacing which made it look more busy, but with the same line spacing I find Times to be very comfortable which explains why it has stood the test of time. It also has a stylish "classical" look which I like also. To explain using Times as "cringeworthy" is really ridiculous.
Can't wait for this!
I so appreciate this! 🙏 It couldn't have come at a better time. MC is bought!
I love your videos, they are addictive, understood and relatable. TYVM ❤🤗
Definitely the number one aspect to "self publishing" that gives the *illusion* of professionalism : )
Thanks Abbie as always. I will have to play around with it some more. I currently use Arial 11pt 1.15 spacing. I copied and pasted all four fonts for comparison, modified to 1.25. Spacing. I compared to the original. I get the scary feeling of possibly trashing the entire story. 😊
Arial is terrible for me. When I see something in that I immediately want to change it. It's too liney.
😅 might explain why I doze off during the editing sessions.
My book has some text and some comic panels, I couldn’t decide between text or graphic novel so I just decided to do both
Thank you for reminding me why I plan to pay a professional to format my book, lol 😁 Great content, as always!
The first one was a bullet to the heart cause i love times new roman font 😂
I need to format my books all over again. Thanks, Abbie, for the eye-opening lesson. One thing I'd advise everyone to avoid. Dictate for Word. For its ease of use, it creates weeks of manuscript inspection to correct all the words it misspells for you. Terrible.
I've only been reading eBooks for years. So my favourite books are formatted the way I want them. My printed books are usually 20+yo. All in Times New Roman and no spacing.
This was a great video, Abbie. I do have a couple of questions.
First, you used the example (for spacing related to font choice) of Garamond size 11. Has anyone ever complained about that being small? I've had one person tell me that my font was too small, and it was bigger than that. Granted, that's just one person, but it was someone close to me that I really wanted to enjoy the book.
Question 2A): you advised against using auto-hyphenation in MS Word. I use Apple Pages. Can you comment on their hyphenation feature? And question 2B): I noticed that you use a Mac. Is there a specific reason you use MS Word, and not Pages?
Thank you so much.
1. you gave me a new favorite font: Lora and I will probably be using that from now til the end of time 2. I actually follow along quite well when it's times new roman. Maybe that's just me, but I read faster than when it's a different font.
okay.... I have a few questions and I'm just on the third question in the video, so I don't know if these will be answered or not! Okay, so when you make a new paragraph in your book, and y'all know the spaces you guys have to do? Exactly how many spaces do you have to put before you start your sentence? Another question is how you do like-- the pages *IN DOCS* where it will look like you are reading your book, for example, you're reading your novel on your laptop/computer. Third and last is the font GB Garamond in docs okay for the novel font? OH OH and...how do you make your own symbol when you fast forward in your novel?
Excellent video. Thanks😎
I got so many flashbacks from my Print Publishing class (mainly for magazines), a lot of the points you made were brought up then too even though magazine and books are different formats.
Mitch Albom's "The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto" is perfectly formatted and laid out on the page. So easy on the eye.
I tried formating in the suggested fonts and I didn't try printing, but can't stand these fonts on the computer, so I left myself a note on the first page of the novel to reformat when printing. When editing, I love Ariel because it is so easy to read on the computer screen.
Not only we have storytelling but we have also text formatting! Being an author is tough!
Hey Abbie! Is the masterclass covering ebooks or just paperbacks? I love formatting my paperbacks but I’ve had trouble doing ebooks.
This course is just for paperbacks and hardcovers -- but I have an in depth free tutorial on how to use Vellum for formatting ebooks: th-cam.com/video/phus9fRekR4/w-d-xo.html