How to change gear | 16 speed manual | ZF gearbox in a Daf | Range change | Splitter
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 17 มิ.ย. 2023
- A quick, basic guide to using a 16 speed manual gearbox in a (Daf) truck. This one’s a ZF box with both a range change & a splitter though the principles are the same for most range change & splitter operations. Take into account things will differ slightly according to manufacturer, terrain, load & power output.
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Excellent demo. With all the automatics nowadays it's great to see a proper gearjamner. My Dad's been trucking since the 60's and has had a manual R Series since 05.
Cheers VRG, I had a manual Scania 420 myself when I worked in British Superbikes. Was a great truck 😃
thank you I can now drive 16 gear through your teachings
Excellent!
We used to rent from a company that had old Freightliner 24-foot box trucks with big assed diesel engines in them and split shifters on them. Just the two range ones. I could never get the hang of it. I always drove them in either high or low range. This is actually a four-range transmission. I am amazed he can keep it all together when he's driving without some form of display telling him what gear he's in. But that's why he's the professional truck driver and I'm a commenter on a TH-cam comments page. Much respect to you sir and thanks for making the video.
Just so everyone knows, modern clean diesels run catalytic converters and an extra fluid called DEF, diesel exhaust fluid, that is injected into the catalytic chamber to fully process the diesel exhaust. Those diesel catalytic chambers are not like the ones on your car. They run way hotter and they do an amazing job of processing diesel fumes. Of course, those who hate diesel never want you to know that. The warning you are seeing on the dash is the catalytic converter system asking for a standard maintenance regen procedure to help maximize the efficiency of the diesel catalytic system. Most diesels will do this automatically but occasionally they drive you crazy with the warning light until the regen is done either automatically or manually.
Modern diesels are truly amazing engines. I wish people were told the truth about how truly clean they run because modern diesel engines are truly awesome engines.
One last warning though about these modern diesel engines. If you are ever driving one to move your house or large objects, never - ever run them dry of diesel fuel. The catalytic converters run very hot, and they actually require that diesel be run in them to keep them cool enough to survive the conversion process. If you run the truck out of diesel dry, with the engine running, the converters will overheat and simply cook their insides. I was told by the rental company my company used to get our trucks from, that it is a ten-thousand-dollar mistake to run a diesel truck empty. Just don't do it.
I cannot stress too much how clean these modern diesels run. My lungs are toast and very sensitive to any pollution and I could stand right next to our trucks running all day with no lung discomfort. Simply amazing engines.
Tell me why I shouldn't idle my truck when it's ten degrees Fahrenheit, freezing outside or 100 degrees Fahrenheit broiling outside and 140 degrees Fahrenheit in the back of my truck, absolutely cooking.
Clean diesels let you do that safely.
In the UK we call the additive Ad-blue (or pig p155 😉). Thanks for your comment & I agree, most don’t know how clean a modern diesel actually is 👍🏽
Use to have one of these in my old 1633 merc (New at the time), great gearbox and very smooth.
Certainly are mate & this one was no exception 😉
That takes me back dude, my 2700 daf in the eighties had similar set up. Much more control with manuals especially loaded in bad winter conditions.👍
We had some of the first 2800ATi’s & that had this box too 👍🏽. I prefer manuals in bad weather myself too.
That was the best ever gearbox for me, loved it.
It’s certainly still popular Nick 👍🏽. Cheers pal.
I learn to drive in a D series Ford with a 2 speed axle. Progressed to a Leyland Bison with 9 speed range change, then a number of other Leyland's all with crash boxes and eventually into the best truck i had at the time an F reg DAF95 with the gearbox you are showing. Brilliant box once you got used to it. Cheers Colin
Thanks Colin. I too started in a D series but fair play the ZF box is a good’un.
Great video my friend. I miss my DAF XF manual. Sadly I’ve been stuck with autos for the last 7 years all so. Years ago I had an R series 440, running containers at full weight. With a manual box you were constantly changing gears. Keep her lit mate. 👍
Thanks Rob, I probably prefer the lazy option of automatics but it’s fun to drive a manual now & again. The DAF is a great place to live & work though the XG+ I had recently was another level ! Video on the Channel if you want to watch 😊. Cheers bud.
Clear and concise. Excellent!
Glad it was helpful TrackSol & thanks for watching 👍🏽
In the early 2000's I did some trucking, one of the trucks I drove was a Renault Magnum. It had a Mack engine and ZF gearbox.
The gearbox was a nightmare, really. The splitter worked as you showed, it was fine, but the high/low was manual too. To shift from high to low or low to high, you had to do it manual. From low to high, you had to push the stick hard to the right in neutral, and you would feel when you “broke” the resistance, and you were in high.
It was very wobbly and unreliable, so the risk was that it had not changed to high as intended and 5th would be 1st. Once we 2 drivers on the truck and my colleague used a “karate” punch to get it in high. I tried that, it worked better. We named it the “karate gearbox”. A real pain, literally.
The Renault had some few faults, but the cabin was by far the best at the time. It was huge, you could have a party in there, and dance. I had several Volvo and Scania truckers in the cab, they wanted to see it. You could see they wanted such a cabin on their trucks too. Shortly thereafter all trucks got a big cabin. I believe MAN was next in line to make a big cabin with a flat floor.
After the Magnum I drove Volvo, it was a breeze with the gearbox. Volvo had electric/pneumatic shifting on splitter and range since the 70's. I believe it was at the time Volvo introduced I-shift, many drivers was opposed to automatic, but when they got their new Volvo I-shift, they were delighted. No more stomping with the left foot.
Happy driving from a retiree.
Hi Gert, we had a truck at my old Company that had the “knock across” box 🤣. You think you’re in 5th, let the clutch out & it stands on its nose in 3rd 🤦🏻♂️
Great explanation definitely one of the better demonstrations I’ve seen. I hope to get my HGV at some point and try my hand at it but the chances of coming across a manual are probably less and less likely nowadays.
Great video though thank you for posting
Glad it was helpful & yes they are becoming fewer. Take care getting your HGV as the big hurdle is getting insurance which is what puts employers off. Try get a start on vans or 7.5t with a firm where you can progress. Good luck 🤞
Thank you, this is so simple.👍🏾
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When I took my test in 91, my instructor told me to baffle the examiner with science and show him I could use the gearbox. When we got back, the examiner more or less gave me a bol**** ing for using all the gears saying I didn't need to do that because I wasn't carrying any weight. ( crazy ) . Enjoying the vlogs.
At least you showed him Simon 😉. Thanks for watching my friend.
Perfect explanation and thank you sir❗️💗✊🫡👏👏👏
No problem & glad you found it helpful.
Back in the 80's I drove a Daf 2800 Turbo Intercooling with a Fuller 13 speed regulary and a Steyr 1291 occassionally with ZF Ecosplit 16 speed but I liked the DAF and especially the Fuller transmission the most.
The range change with the ZF was horrible - pushing the gear lever to the right / and left. Splitting was ok.
Wow Steyr, I remember them. Thanks for watching my friend.
I'm dyslexic took me days to understand this learning training i worked on removals for 4 years lorries
Clearly explained. Thank you.
Thank you Kaptain & check out the other stuff on the Channel too 👍🏽
Have one on my CD,310 CD daf,stillin daily use,great box,easy to get it wrong in traffic though,but coming from the Eaton in a 99 cf 380 it's a pleasure to drive.
Certainly are a nice, useful box Charles. Thanks for watching my friend 😊
Fascinating! Thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it Michael, thanks for looking 😊
That’s a piece of cake, you should try an Eaton Fuller road ranger! That sorts the men from the boys lol
Had an Eaton twin splitter in ERFs & Foden back in the day. Poke ‘em 🤦🏻♂️😳
Agh I figured it out this is a synchronized gearbox, had no idea they existed for trucks like this. Very strange
Not many left now, mainly automatics.
i used to have one with a torque converter on it. you could drive off in 5th easy and just skip a bunch. when empty i would just take 3~4 gears to get to top gear. was also great in getting the box and engine hot quickly in winter.
Funny things when they’re light or empty, like you say just skip loads of gears on your way up. Thanks for watching SrotW 😊
Thanks bro for teaching me
It's my pleasure, glad it helped. 😃
The splitter sounds like it works in an analogous way to the overdrive on the 2.5 Triumph my Dad had and I learnt to drive in.
That’s waaaaay over my head 😊. I just know it works 😃. Cheers for watching though !
When I did my Class 1 (CE) training back in 2009, I learned in a 8 speed (4 over 4) without a splitter. One of the things that struck me was how close the low ratios (1 to 4) were to each other. Once you are in high range (5 to 8) you have a spacing more like what you are used to in a car or a van. I'd imagine that you'd only ever use the splitter in low range to make a 1.5 shift where a block change between 2 whole gears might be too much for the load / gradient.
Hi Raithrover & thanks for checking in 🏴👍🏽. The lower ratios are still fairly close even with a splitter so 2/3 to start off then 4-5-6-7 low 7 hi 8 lo & top usually works well for me 😃
Thanks for the tutorial, always wondered how it worked. With buses and coaches you would be hard pressed to find a manual let alone with a splitter box. Safe travels (Don't forget your seatbelt though !!)
Glad it was helpful Graham. Keep watching mate 😊
I remember double clutching on a Leyland road train, & the bunk was wood with sponge on top.
Luxury Kevin ! Haha how things have moved on eh & not always for the best. There was no fuel theft & curtains getting slashed in those days plus a lot more cameraderie between drivers. Thanks for watching mate 👍🏽
Can't beat a twin splitter, most people couldn't get the hang of it 30 years ago, fabulous box if you could get the hang of it, would like to see how people would get on with it these days 😂
Was never a big fan myself but had them in an ERF & a MAN years ago. Certainly would baffle a few folk today though mate 😀. Cheers Owen 👍🏽
What we did, long time ago, similar ZF gearbox, with Daf 2800/3600 and 95.350 was low2, than low4, then the same as here in the video.
As long as it works & doesn't put too much stress on the drive-train, that'll do ! Cheers for watching buddy.
LOL, when I first learned to drive semi i had to "double" clutch to get into and out of gears. Long time ago thank goodness.
I remember double declutching BK 🤣. Thanks for watching my friend 👍🏽
nice video.
Thank you mate.
Love my 4 over 4
Prefer my auto 😉
Love that box have that over an auto anyday
Not sure I’d like one all the time but it’s fun to keep your hand in 👍🏽. Cheers for watching mate 😃
Well that just totally confuised me 🤪
Sorry Alan, I tried my best. Maybe watch it again 😊
I remember years ago, probably around 40 years, using the Mercedes-Benz 8 speed knock over box, gears 1 to 4 then knock the gear lever over in neutral to get gears 5 to 8, same operation coming down the box ,no switches to bother with
I had the same knock across box in an old 2800 Daf many moons ago 👍🏽. Cheers for watching Kev.
This is so far the best explanation I’ve seen, which my brain takes in - I’ve definitely been overthinking it. I do have a question, if you have to hard brake, what happens with gears then! Same as a car I take it? Thanks for a great video!
Pretty much, just got to remember what gear you’re in but at worse check your speed & if possible drop into low range & let the clutch up VERY slowly along with exhaust brake 😉
If I want to go down from 8L to 7H when should I switch the splitter to High? When I'm still in the 8th gear position or when I move the gear lever to the 7th gear position ?
Hi mate, you can pre-select both range & split as it doesn’t activate until the clutch is depressed. So, in 8L flick splitter to high & when ready depress the clutch whilst moving stick to 7 & Hi will select all in one go. Smooth like butter 😉. Good question & thanks for watching mate 👍🏽
good box those ZF's then you go to a twin split and start all other again lol. the american twin stick set ups are fun to drive clutch less, every good change is a small win.
Drove the Eaton twin splitters in both ERF & MAN trucks years ago but not keen Sam. Give me an automatic any day 😃. Cheers for watching my friend.
I’m confused why u need to push in the clutch to activate the gear split on this transmission. I’m from America and on all our 18/13 speeds all that is to split is coming on and off the throttle to allow revs to drop to next gear.
You got it in the end 😃
Sounds complicated to a non-trucker, but obviously works. And nearly 1Mkm to boot! 😜
Certainly does John & yes well spotted ! Not far off 1M 😃
For fun find a friendly farmer and ask for a drive of a modern tractor. Depending on spec they vary from semipowershift to full powershift to CVT
We have some HUGE tractors at our base which is a farm. Fabulous things 😃
Nice tutorial! Do you find you’re a little more fatigued after a run in a manual compared to an auto?
Cheers Paul & not really. Most trucks are so powerful these days that there’s little gear changes required & given the top 2 gears can be “split” sometimes that’s all that’s needed to maintain good progress.
We had new drivers come & cant operate a manual gear box but turn up in a manual car! &even say they cant drive a3 pedal opticruse scania cos its got a clutch pedal🤔🤣
All there was when I started was manual 😂
Think I'd be ok changing up the box but I reckon my mind would get a bit muddled changing down as what gear I was in or what gear I needed think I'll stick to auto thank you let something far more intelligent than me work the gears out 👍
You’d get used to it - if you were doing 40mph you’d know you were in high range then the dash light & button tell you if you’re in high or low split. Thanks for watching Geraint 🏴
Are these synchronized gears or non-synchronized?
This box was synchro though they did a crash box too on earlier models - we only had 1 🤦🏻♂️
So if youre in 6 high with a high split youre in 14th gear ?
No mate that would be 12th. Each gear (in high) is equal to 2. Thanks for looking & check out some of my other videos too 😊
What was the middle bit??!!!
Sorry, which bit ??
Went on test match daf 2800 v volvo back in the 80s daf start In 2 then 4 then 5 the 6 6 high 7 7high 8 8high
That’s it mate. Lovely box too.
Great video mate but don’t forget your seat belt next time might save your life one day:)
Hmmmm, some would disagree. Each to their own eh. Cheers bud.
Do you prefer a manual or auto?
Auto Matt but it’s a nice change to pick up on old skills now & again 😃
Very interesting indeed. Life is getting too complicated hi hi.
It sure is Alec but thanks for looking in 😃👍🏽
I thought driving an F1 car was complicated but this is on another level of complication 😅
Haha you get used to it Boski. There’s some F1 stuff on my Channel & I’m currently in Spain with an F4 Team in case you’ve missed it. Cheers Bud 👍🏽
All that splitting you forgot to put your seat belt on 😅
You got me Gary 😊
Oh wow it's fully Synchronized... he's single clutching...
I drove a DAF manual only once...
Then came to Canada and then drove the Eaton Fuller 18 and 13 speeds, but they aren't Synchonized. They need floating and Double Clutching...
I'd love to come back and have a go in a DAF with a gearbox like this... to see if I can handle it for a laugh.
Lovely box mate 😍
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Absolutely my friend.
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Nice one Ian 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
You'll need diesel soon sir.
Not with the HUGE tanks the Daf has fitted 😉