NS' Chicago Line: A Railroad Superhighway Part 1
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ก.ย. 2024
- BUTLER, INDIANA - PART 1 OF 3
The Norfolk Southern Chicago Line is a railroad with an esteemed past and exceptionally bright future. Since it was built for New York Central predecessors, it has been one of the nation's most important corridors, funneling traffic into an out of Chicago towards the eastern seaboard.
Always at least double track, and with over a dozen miles of triple track added in the last few years, growth continues for this railroad of giants. We'll take a look in this series of the entire line across Indiana, from Butler to the Chicago River.
Don't forget to check out the other parts to this series!
Part 1: Butler to Elkhart: • NS' Chicago Line: A Ra...
Part 2: Elkhart to Porter: • NS' Chicago Line: A Ra...
Part 3: Porter to Chicago: • NS' Chicago Line: A Ra...
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Videography Equipment:
- Primary: Sony FDR-AX53 4K Camcorder
- Secondary: Sony HDR-PJ790V HD Camcorder
- Aerial Platform: DJI Phantom 3 Advanced Drone
- Radio Scanner: Uniden Bearcat BC125AT
- Edited with: Cyberlink PowerDirector 16
Created by Alex Christmas. Copyright 2018, as the Thornapple River Rail Series, All Rights Reserved
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Give me a SD 40-2 any day of the week!!!! Love the coverage. Thank you.
You make by far the finest Railfan videos on TH-cam. Good job.
Excellent, just the right length and content. Keep up the good work. These documentaries are much better than ordinary railfanning.
One of the most outstanding series out there, thanks for sharing with us
A treasure trove of RR information. Thanks to you I also figured out the route that NS runs between KC and Hannibal, MO continues on to Detroit. That would explain the long boxcar trains heading to the Ford plant in KC. You sir have a new subscriber! Excellent videos!
Awesome railfanning
Greetings from New Hampshire
This is an amazing series, I like these types of series. You should definitely keep these up...and if you ever get the chance, you should do one on the "I-5 corridor" (Union Pacific line from Portland, Oregon into Sacramento California), which has some really cool scenery, and some grades. Also, you could try the Portland/Fallbridge subs for BNSF and UP, in the Columbia River Gorge, some fast trains and really cool scenery. Just some ideas. Love the shots in this video.
nice video, waiting for your next series
Great video. I grew up in Goshen, trains were part of our daily routine!
I love these. I often track the route on google. One day I'll just go to the US just to railfan.
I so enjoy your productions. Keep up the good work.
I love your videos. Top tier editing too. Keep up the great work!
Glad you like them!
Great videos! Glad you went back and fixed the audio from the previous uploads.
Great video! Love the info! I railfan this line from the Chicago and NW Indiana side often.
Porter-Chicago segment due out Thursday.
33:14 actually thats the new AC4400CWM rebuild for CP.
I have just started and LIKING THIS ALREADY!
All I can say bravo... well done 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
5:56 I remember news reports when I was a kid in the '90s about piggyback trailers on trains taking business away from truckers.
Nice foreign power on this line. I'm seeing a lot of that in your videos and TBH, I like it.
I also like your use of language in narration:
"This unit was apparently too clean for the camera as it temporarily gets confused on how to focus."
That made me laugh and was pretty awesome.
Ha, yeah that line was one of my favorites...and pretty accurate, too!
The Sony cameras I've used my entire life have always had exceptional autofocus, but sometimes, it gets a bit confused!
Outstanding!!!!! Great job,!!!! Thanks
Very informational’ the commentary is perfect...not too much, not to little.
Try it with CC. Butler is the only at grade railroad prostitute. What is it like to snuggle with a railroad prostitute?
I have 2 dvds put out by Greenfrog videos that cover from just west of Butler into Ohio.THe other one covers from Butler all the way into Chicago.Very facinating.Live long way down off the Wabash.Those John Deere tractors were coming from Waterloo.Iowa.i know alot about in the video because of the 2nd GF dvd I have,We get no piggybacks down here
I enjoy the narration
I'd love to see the Indianapolis area rail system 😀
Like the segment around 31:20 about the new flyover and resulting improvements.
My Grandma lives in Wawaka. I was there last month and I had my scanner programmed to the NS Chicago line and I get the defect detector of MP 386.3 in Brimfield
Excellent videos
I've watched all three, By far the best I have watched. Now if we could get someone out west to do this. :-)
Glad you enjoyed it, Marques!
42:03 omg that was the spot that I railfanned after my 14th birthday!
ALEX, just a technical point. Those empty " trailers " as you call them, for containers, those are actually called " chassis " is the correct term. GREAT video, thanks.
I concur with your point here. But since they can still be hauled around behind a truck without a container, I forward the argument that they can still be considered trailers. I've heard both thrown around in industry parlance.
nice video
Unbelievable how busy this line is! How often do you get to railfan the Chicago Line?
Very nice.
LOVE IT
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Very nice video. I think you forgot to cover the other portion of the Chicago Line running between Selkirk, New York and Toledo, Ohio. You should cover Berea, Ohio. Berea is located at mileposts 194 on NS' Former Conrail Chicago Line and at milepost 22 on CSX's Cleveland Short line subdivision (the former big four main line between Cleveland and Columbus, the Former Conrail Columbus and Indianapolis Lines
This project was just about the Indiana segment of the line, as I said in the intro.
47:02 that’s an 80MAC!
Now this is Midwest Railroad Weather.....
Wonderful Video!
Hey is that Daniel pulling that intermodal from Rails of highland valley
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Wow
That Dash 9 At 7:37 Has No Flashing Ditch Lights
8:58 all jb hunts and 40 stacks is a sign that this train was bound for bnsf
The new signals being installed are they LED types
Thanks for the video
Are you still using the Sony FDR and if so, how is it holding up? I got mine in Feb of 19 and was curious of the longevity.
I got mine in November of 2016 and it’s still with me with no issues whatsoever as my primary.
@@ThornappleRiverRailSeries that's great to hear, I've really enjoyed this camera so far. Great series on the Chicago Line when it had a bunch of trains!
36:07 I didn't know 9322 had a K5LA before. Now it has a K5LLA.
Damn that was a lot of John Deere tractors. Also, at 23:56 what were those cars labeled "IBC" used for?
Those are just standard intermodal well cars. "IBC" stands for inter-box connector, which is the hunk of metal used to lock the intermodal containers together when double-stacked.
These new cars have those posts for the carmen to set the IBCs in closer to the height at which they are installed at - an ergonomic feature. Most intermodal wells have places for IBCs, but they're just kept in the main carbody.
Ah, thanks so much for the knowledge and explanation.
Sd80mac 7212 trailing on the intermold at 47:02
Nice Video!!
8:54 what happened to the snow?
It was filmed over multiple days over the course of over a year
Alex: When you commence these lengthy TH-cam projects, do you ever consider the possibility, it has already been done before but by someone else? I'm always curious about this. I'm almost positive, the Drayton Blackwell (DIB), or Michigan Central lines has produced a very similar approach and lengthy upload, maybe in 2017 or before. Should this be the case, and surmising, what is already out there, would you consider your contribution a different take on the same material, or possibly an update? You've presented a very complete expose, and I'm happy you were able to correct the audio issue, you had been experiencing with your most previous episodes with voice-over narration.
I generally make my stuff to stand alone. DIB has not, to my knowledge, produced this sort of detailed look. He sure has quite a bit of Chicago Line stuff, but he's tended to do it in patches and not a full going-over. Ditto with Michigan Central Lines...both tend to stay further east.
You might actually be thinking of my own video, which covered Goshen to Porter a couple years ago. This project is an expansion/update of that, now obviously covering Butler to Chicago. So I used a bit of the old footage to show "the way it was before", but 90% of it is new footage from 2017/2018.
I consider my specialty to be full-line and day-in-the-life train documentaries, to get as far into the actual operations as possible. While strung together runbys can be interesting, I like building a narrative which includes as many facets of the industry as possible, from current operations to capital upgrades and locomotive power.
That's the goal, at least!
Can you please do an informational video of the NS Chicago District/Fort Wayne line?
Probably not, at least in the near-term.
Excellent video. Have you graduated yet? Looking forward to 2 & 3.
Rich
Nope just 5 weeks into my 3rd year. Parts 2 and 3 have been published!
3:02 what is the name of that horn I like it
If I may ask, what camera equipment do you use. This film is pretty clear, better than 4K
Info in the description
In America, are there only ever westbound and southbound trains? What about northbound or southbound?
Most traffic is east and west due to the shape of the nation, but there are plenty of north-south corridors as well. Another factor is that many railroads only timetabled themselves as east/west, even if they were more north/south. For instance, on the Southern Pacific, going towards Sacramento was always westbound, away always east, even through they had their corridors running up and down the western seaboard.
how can signals be upgraded? They all mean the same things? some are besides the usual green/yellow and red arespeed restrictions/line junctions and I think no whistle zone.etc. They mean what they mean.
Please refer me to a timestamp you're talking about
Why do the headlights of locomotives in North America softly blink alternatingly left right left right? Is this more a traditional thing from former times with steam locomotives? I can imagine that a modern strobing LED such as on emergency vehicles would much better warn traffic of the oncoming train.
Everything until the 1990s generally only had a single headlight. The FRA mandates those lower “ditch lights” about 30 years ago to reduce crossing accidents and improve visibility for the crew.
Some railroads do not flash their ditch lights. CSX and NS are the two major roads that do. Amtrak does as well. They slowly flash because they are using incandescent bulbs. New locomotives with LEDs flash at the same frequency but are quicker at turning on and off, of course.
A major reason for the lights is it makes it easier to judge speed and distance of approaching trains, as opposed to the single traditional headlight.
Just curious, why does the locomotive and rolling stock look compressed length wise at 45:40?
It's just the viewing angle. We're looking pretty much directly down the track instead of from a more side-on angle, so that's why it looks like it does. If you were there in real life it'd look the same.
I thought the Chicago Line was the former PRR. CSX got mainly NYC trackage from the split. Is this a CSX or NS owned line? I doubt NS has a need for the old NYC as they have their own busy mainline on the old PRR.
The Chicago Line is the former NYC from Albany to Chicago. This became PC and then CR. When CSX and NS split Conrail, the NS got the line west of Cleveland, while the CSX got it east of there. In turn, the NS got the PRR via Pittsburgh, while the CSX got the line via Indianapolis to St Louis. This thus split the “big X” mainline network of Conrail.
This happened because CSX did not need another double track line from Northwest Ohio to Chicago, nor one from Northwest Ohio to the East Coast/Baltimore/Philly/DC. They already had the B&O to do that. Likewise, the NS had the Nickel Plate into New York which would suit their needs just fine.
Ultimately, the PRR was greatly downgraded after the NYC-PRR merger because Penn Central and later Conrail found the NYC to be superior and a better fit for the combined giant.
So to sum it up, the Chicago Line is the former NYC. The PRR main across Indiana and most of Ohio is now the CFE.
@@ThornappleRiverRailSeries Oh yeah, I got it now. Thanks so much. I grew up along the NS main line thru PA which was the old PRR, so I assumed the old PRR main was NS the whole way to Chicago.
I appreciate your work.... but the ZOOM is wrecking the train shots.
Any reason why NS hasn’t upgraded the NYC signals to the PTC-capable Vaders on the east end of CP 358 in Butler?
They're working on it. First priority were the more complex areas running east from Chicago. With Butler to Chicago effectively done now, and Toledo to Cleveland also nearing completion, Toledo to Butler is really on borrowed time now!
Wayside signal types have absolutely nothing to do with PTC. You could have Semaphores with PTC, it's irrelevant to PTC's operation.
I feel like crying for not seeing the locomotives in Conrail paint scheme over those tracks anymore. Everything looks so dark since the fleet vested the Norfolk Southern paint scheme which is not ugly, but it is not vibrant and inspiring luke Conrail's. 💙🤍
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Would it be possible for a 4th part from Cleveland to Butler?
Perhaps someday
Okay
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Where do you find the interlocking diagram like at 1:56
I made those myself in Microsoft Paint, referencing the ATCS layout.
Was chicago Line former NY central or Penn?
NYC, except what is west of today's CP 506
those signals aren't very bright, seems like it would be hard to see what they read.
They're focused beams, so while you can see them a bit from the side, if you're not directly in line of them they aren't all that bright.
If you limited your video length to 25 minutes or less, then you would have more postings, and posting more often. Food for thought.
I don't like breaking up these long-form documentaries, though. The greatest barrier to me posting more often is work/life related, not due to video length.
I can understand all that. It was just a thought/idea. Your video's still come out great, no matter what.
nice video BUT could you please stop trying to talk over the horns,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,you lose every time.............
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