How to compose music with a recipe (Arvo Pärt, Xenakis and others)

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  • @gemmachaos
    @gemmachaos 4 ปีที่แล้ว +433

    "Woah, this video is nearly as trippy as Ben Levin's recent stuff..."
    *Ben Levin shows up*
    *head explodes*

    • @DBruce
      @DBruce  4 ปีที่แล้ว +67

      Very inspired by Ben's recent stuff. But I don't think I'm 10% as trippy!

    • @Memento_Mori_Music
      @Memento_Mori_Music 4 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      @@DBruce I suspect you're a Monty Python fan as well? I'm getting a strong hint of Terry Gilliam's animations for Flying Circus @ 4:55 e.g..

    • @KleversonRoyther
      @KleversonRoyther 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@Memento_Mori_Music I came here to say this. In fact I said it, but you beat me to it

  • @BenLevin
    @BenLevin 4 ปีที่แล้ว +421

    This is a pedagogical masterpiece! I knew about like 2 algorithmic approaches before, but now I know about a bunch, but more importantly I am excited to use them in my music! Thank you for your devotion to your art, it’s really inspiring!

    • @DBruce
      @DBruce  4 ปีที่แล้ว +56

      I worship at the altar of Benedict the Levine

    • @YambamYambam2
      @YambamYambam2 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      What do you think of my vowel "solfege" diagram (more like oh-aeh), with only smooth transitions? imanuelhab.mooo.com/scale-major-vowels-imanuel.png
      So trippy that I had made this about a week before this video was uploaded! Man, what a perfect timing/coincidental overlapping in time and... pitch!

    • @danielchmiel7787
      @danielchmiel7787 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@YambamYambam2 what is its origin and use?

    • @ChemBoy613
      @ChemBoy613 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I know this comment was a while ago, but is there a link or resource or list of these somewhere?

    • @mikoajp.5890
      @mikoajp.5890 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Huh, even your comments are somehow very Ben Levin-y. To the point of inadvertently reading the comment with your voice!

  • @creatief_met_kaas
    @creatief_met_kaas 4 ปีที่แล้ว +209

    Editing is like Terry Gilliam mixed with Wario Ware. Weirdly nostalgic.

    • @androidwalle4932
      @androidwalle4932 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I knew I have seen this aesthetic before!

  • @DavidBennettPiano
    @DavidBennettPiano 4 ปีที่แล้ว +52

    Brilliant video and great visuals too! Nicely done 🤖

  • @fikradas
    @fikradas 4 ปีที่แล้ว +198

    Wow you really surpassed yourself for the editing in this one, love the illustrations !

    • @rade-blunner7824
      @rade-blunner7824 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      This might seem weird to say but I think taken to this extent it can be a bit much at times. More quirky and distracting than illustrative.

    • @simonprecheurllarena
      @simonprecheurllarena 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Rade-Blunner No.

    • @MarcFresko
      @MarcFresko 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I agree with fikradas

    • @jonasrla
      @jonasrla 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Certainly Monty Python inspired

  • @hallamhal
    @hallamhal 4 ปีที่แล้ว +72

    "If we change the sound to marimba and start overlapping we quickly get"
    A ringtone?

  • @yuvalne
    @yuvalne 4 ปีที่แล้ว +69

    Numberphile and the OEIS are two things I didn't expect to appear in a David Bruce video.

    • @PeterBarnes2
      @PeterBarnes2 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      I want more overlap between my maths and music content.
      All we need next is a collab that pulls breadtube in, and we've got a real party going on.

    • @digitig
      @digitig 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I was about to say that!

  • @ernestogramsch5284
    @ernestogramsch5284 4 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    omg three of my favorite youtube channels in one video
    -numberphile
    -ben levin
    -david bruce
    rock on!

  • @ListeningIn
    @ListeningIn 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    This is really inspirational. It both highlights the importance of some sort of algorithmic approach to composition, but also recognises that a more formulaic approach to writing music doesn't necessarily mean that either the music will be banal, or, at the other end of the spectrum, esoteric and impenetrable. You show that with your lush string piece! Also, the editing on this is amazing. It must have taken forever!

  • @Tantacrul
    @Tantacrul 4 ปีที่แล้ว +56

    Can I please get that machine as a guest on my channel? I just love it :) haha

    • @Envy_May
      @Envy_May 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      the one with the coin eater face hhh ?

  • @s90210h
    @s90210h 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Very insightful! One of my favourite electronic music composers has recently said that even if they could, they wouldn't share the software they created themselves to help them make music, because even though algorithms definitely play a role, they still need the composer to play them. The software, the algorithms don't do anything without the player. They're all just instruments! It is up to us to make use of them in meaningful ways. And that is ultimately deeply tied to being human.

    • @fuzziemusic
      @fuzziemusic 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Which electronic composer was that? Autechre or Aphex? ;)

  • @alonamaloh
    @alonamaloh 4 ปีที่แล้ว +53

    Many musical conventions that have been used for centuries are algorithms in some sense. For instance, the sonata form is a recipe that says something like "Write a theme A and a theme B; Start with the exposition of A, then the exposition of B, then a section of increasing tension that plays with both A and B, then a re-exposition of A, etc.". Doesn't that sound like an algorithm?

    • @redhill945
      @redhill945 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Same could be said about many genres in general. It's pretty standard in Blues music to play 12 bar blues along side a pentatonic scale melody, which limits your chord variation right from the beginning. Obviously you can break and bend these rules but they are stylistic components that define a genre. Effectively an algorithm.
      From there, the more you define the rules, the easier it is for a computer to create it. I suppose thats why the line between man and machine music is very grey.

  • @thekathal
    @thekathal 4 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    Wow that ending was amazing

  • @TerraFantasy
    @TerraFantasy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I love the humor in your videos. Always funny but still very informative and educational! Keep up the great work!

  • @joshuabroyles7565
    @joshuabroyles7565 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you for making this video. I'm nobody important, but I do have a few easy tips which I hope you will consider are just one more reason for people to come here and give you a higher view count:
    1) Modern composers now have so many technical resources available that what stands to distinguish them most (as not redundant with other composers) are things like their aesthetic goals and their capacity for meaningful judgment of their options; things that algorithms, alone, still don't provide all that well to listeners. Focusing on clever algorithms will tend to make a composer sound like other composers who focus on clever algorithms. But starting with way too much algorithmic data and gradually paring it down to preferred components in a preferred order will allow the composer's personality and sense of musical value to come through. Is a modern composer cheating by not using pure algorithms? Shhh... I won't tell if you don't.
    2) A trick I have used to get around duplicating other people's algorithms is to take readings from a track pad and combine them with pseudorandom numbers under modulo reduction. Just wiggling your finger around on a track pad can really generate a lot of data that's not analytically reducible other than by imposing what are probably false mathermatical patterns.
    I'm aware of at least one composer who has used hand-sweeps of a radio telescope across the sky to pick up data. It's unlikely that what happened out there thousands of years ago relates in any discernable way to arbitrary hand motions, so the results should be pretty original in terms of being reliably random. Again, if you're an insightful editor, at least some listeners might appreciate your editorial insight as expressed in musical composition.
    3) I don't think Guido's use of vowels was quite optimum. For a language like Latin, Spanish, or Esperanto (and more recently Hindi and Marathi), I prefer the idea of using 2 different (though perhaps related) arrays of 5 pitches; one for stressed syllables and one for unstressed syallables. My preferred order of these vowels in ascending pitch is U,O,A,E,I.
    Look at the mechanics of vocalization and maybe you'll see why. The reverse order has some merit, too, if your goal is more narrative than musical.
    Similarly, English as phonetically transcribed, has about an octave's worth of vowels. I default shwa to the middle of the range and spread out the others by basically drawing the shortest possible line through them on a vowel space diagram. This should work about the same with languages other than Swedish, at least.
    4) The cheapest cheat code to greater melodic interest is simply to increase the proportional frequency of figures that look like "escape tones".
    For a complete explanation of why this works, please read (if you dare) The Analysis and Cognition of Basic Melodic Structures by Eugene O Narmour,
    and also this thing. www.jstor.org/stable/40285540?seq=1 The short way to combine these things is to bias melodies toward gradual escalation of nonclosure.
    Slowly escalating nonclosure basically makes people keep paying passive attention because it's an intensity parameter.
    As woodwind exercises to help condition me to improvise better, I have constructed some signatureless diatonic contours that, in a brutally algorithmic way, elaborate an "escape tone" figure with successive elaborations of similar figures; they look vaguely like fractals that expand to the right.
    I have no proof that this is helping me, but my subjective impression is that it is helping.

  • @SteffenThole
    @SteffenThole 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I'm only halfway through the video, but I had to jump down to write how much I love the editing in this, and your interaction with it! It sprouts with creativity and charm, which shows that you're not really limited by your skills - or rather you perfectly worked within those limits. It's brilliant.

  • @gavinwild2647
    @gavinwild2647 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    David's been upping his editing game during the lockdown!

  • @ChristianVegh
    @ChristianVegh 4 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    The Planets AI version killed me 😂😂

  • @mr88cet
    @mr88cet 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks, great topic! I think there are two really-good uses of algorithmic composition:
    1. To flesh out details that aren’t super-important. Simplistic example: If you’re writing a 4-part chorale, you write an inspiring melody, and enticing bass line, then let an AI that understands the mundane “rules” of Common-Practice harmony fill in the details, avoiding parallel octaves and such.
    2. To build an arsenal of seeds for inspiration, to break logjams in future composition: For example, have an AI write a bunch of melodies, then spend an afternoon auditing them: “crap, nonsense, garbage, ooo wait! that one has some potential; save it away! hooey, rubbish, crap…”

  • @onetouchtwo
    @onetouchtwo 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    As a software engineer and musician, bless you for covering this topic!!

  • @xencage
    @xencage 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Wow! Someone finally mentioned Norgard! I’ve been mentioning the infinity series to several of the folks who do music theory videos, but no dice😝

  • @aylbdrmadison1051
    @aylbdrmadison1051 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Speaking of composing and inspiration: 1:36 I used to go for walks in the forest with my electric guitar and that exact same little marshall amp on the shelf, just to our left of Davids ear.

  • @joywolfe.
    @joywolfe. 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Visuals were your best yet! It's very inspiring to see you really inhabit a video style of your own

  • @whywe1601
    @whywe1601 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Possibly the best video in YT that taps into the zeitgeist? Seriously, well done Mr. David Bruce. This video is a testament

  • @olawfhjorth9985
    @olawfhjorth9985 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why only 198000 followers! This is pure gold! Learned so much!

  • @countorringtonludlow5211
    @countorringtonludlow5211 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is an incredible presentation of these ideas! Eternally grateful that you're on YT and not trapped in an academy somewhere.

  • @zachammonpeterson2011
    @zachammonpeterson2011 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love the evolution of your video style. Also thank you for the Ben Levin cameo. That guy makes me smile.

  • @KleversonRoyther
    @KleversonRoyther 4 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    I feel like I'm watching Monty Python and I love it!

    • @DBruce
      @DBruce  4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      wondering if I can fulfill a 'music theory meets monty python' tagline!?

    • @KleversonRoyther
      @KleversonRoyther 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@DBruce this video was pretty much it! I'd love if you managed to keep it up, so nice seeing our music theory youtubers stepping up their animation game!

    • @twkotb
      @twkotb 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      My only complaint is that I spent the whole video waiting for a giant foot to squish someone, and it never came 😪

    • @KleversonRoyther
      @KleversonRoyther 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@twkotb "and now for something completely different"

    •  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Felt the same, love it!

  • @blackmagentaorange5940
    @blackmagentaorange5940 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I enjoy how much you enjoy editing this Maestro Bruce.

  • @lachlanblackwood42
    @lachlanblackwood42 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is my favourite video on TH-cam.

  • @Trystaticus
    @Trystaticus 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The animation in this one is very charming. Great work as usual!

  • @almuel
    @almuel 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Xenakis is my most favorite composer. I’m so happy that you talked about him. I love all of his works. Thanks for this.

  • @oclictis1
    @oclictis1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    What is the background music at ~5:40? Sounds great

  • @drazlet
    @drazlet 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    People need to talk about Avro Pärt more, and it’s awesome to see you mentioning him

  • @Bigandrewm
    @Bigandrewm 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Speaking of algorithms, I've never found the purely random ones like using the digits of PI to be all that interesting as a basis to create music. I definitely dig using highly structured sequences as compositional tools. Norgard's "infinity series" reminds me of another highly ordered set of sequences: superpermutations.

  • @hrlarson
    @hrlarson 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just wanted to say thank you for your excellent video essays, Bruce. You are my hero.

  • @androidwalle4932
    @androidwalle4932 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    As always: Your best video yet. The connex to Numberphile and the many versions of "algorithmic music" while telling a story was masterful. And a good Steve Reich slam never hurts!

  • @JDD_Music_Press
    @JDD_Music_Press 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    This was incredibly well made. Thanks, Bruce! Also, as a percussionist, I REALLY enjoyed your video featuring Gene’s work. Keep it up!!! Will be sharing this

  • @michaelbinder9518
    @michaelbinder9518 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Dear Bruce. This is really an excellent video! Great. I think AI or algorithms can be used to get you to other directions you didn't even thought of. Like you said at the end of the video. I saw once a documentary in German TV about a painter who used AI like a assistant, who gives him new ideas. Looking forward to the next video. Very good and inspiring channel you have. Stay healthy, Michael

  • @kibavlood5826
    @kibavlood5826 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Came here from tantacrul video about corporate music. Lovely channel.
    Stay safe dude.

  • @jayducharme
    @jayducharme 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is one of your best videos! Back in the '90s I had a computer program called Fractal Music. You entered mathematical variables and the program would generate an unending musical piece. Fascinating stuff!

  • @WhiteLionExperimentalMusic
    @WhiteLionExperimentalMusic 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Oohh Arvo Pärt :) Very happy you mentioned him! Long live rule-based music.

  • @simonprecheurllarena
    @simonprecheurllarena 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Outstanding work and point of view, as always ! It’s really refreshing to see a modern composer not diabolizing algorithms, and reminding us they’ve been around for milleniums. Bravo David !

  • @el-bov8034
    @el-bov8034 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love the Gilliam-esqe...ness of your videos. Really adds an extra level to the already impressive depth of research and accessible presentation.

  • @F1shF4c3
    @F1shF4c3 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It's worth mentioning that counterpoint has many rules which, while still allowing freedom of the composer, are quite amenable to algorithms. There was a paper where the authors wrote a program to apply the rules of first species counterpoint to show the composer which notes were allowed according to the rules given the notes already chosen.

  • @JJBerthume
    @JJBerthume 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    These animations are god tier

  • @christianmaltais
    @christianmaltais 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video. Woujld you be open to sharing that score you created from the Xenakis algorithm? I love the chord colors and I'd like to study them.

  • @kevinxiehk2909
    @kevinxiehk2909 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow, amazing video. As someone that's deeply interested in computer science, maths and classical music, this video really let me know more on "Algorithmic music" from a professional composer's perspective.

  • @YavorArseniev
    @YavorArseniev 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Really fascinating and quite unknown are two tables by William Bathe (from his "Briefe introduction to the Skill of Song") that can be used to algorithmically write or even improvise canons and canons over a cantus firmus.
    Peter Schubert has been using this idea for teaching improvised counterpoint, although I don't believe he has quoted Bathe.

  • @neildawson6274
    @neildawson6274 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Really fine work David

  • @Koettnylle
    @Koettnylle 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you for elaborating on the topic

  • @koitsuga
    @koitsuga 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video! Algorithms are frustratingly misunderstood these days and this is one of the most accurate and informative pieces on them from a non computer scientist.

  • @SyncdAlien
    @SyncdAlien 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Fascinating! Thank you very much for this.

  • @giacintofinocchiaro2307
    @giacintofinocchiaro2307 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love your thought provoking videos very much, David Bruce. Thank you. I would simply like to add that Guido d' Arezzo original hymn on which he based a new note-naming system was the "Ut Queant Laxis (Hymn to St. John the Baptist)":
    Ut (queant laxīs)
    re (sonāre fibrīs)
    Mī (ra gestōrum)
    fa (mulī tuōrum),
    Sol (ve pollūtī)
    la (biī reātum),
    S (āncte) I (ōhannēs) That is: Si.
    Later renamed by Cecile Gertken, OSB (1902-2001) as follows:
    Do (let our voices)
    re (sonate most purely),
    mi (racles telling),
    fa (r greater than many);
    so l (et our tongues be)
    la (vish in your praises),
    S (aint0 J (ohn the Baptist). Afterwards becoming Ti - in English speaking countries.
    As quoted in Wikipedia. org under "Ut queant laxis"

  • @cashwarior
    @cashwarior 4 ปีที่แล้ว +124

    What would happen if we threw in a bunch of Jacob Collier's music into one of those computer algorithms and see what they come up with?

    • @DBruce
      @DBruce  4 ปีที่แล้ว +54

      that would be fun to see!

    • @whycantiremainanonymous8091
      @whycantiremainanonymous8091 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Actually, it probably would sound like nonsense. Collier's music is not especially formulaic or predictable.

    • @srglzrmj
      @srglzrmj 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you need a massive ton of data in order to replicate another style, Jacob's catalog, prolific as it is, it's not huge enough to produce clear consistent results

    • @mattheasboelter5217
      @mattheasboelter5217 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      @@whycantiremainanonymous8091 I bet you it's just that we haven't figured out the formula's behind his music yet. Music theory has evolved from people creating music "without a formula", only to have theorists notice things in common between that music (and their contemporaries). Through those trends, they come up with theory to explain how it works.
      I bet you in 200 years, Collier's music will be just as systematized as the classical period is today.

    • @jaegonekim
      @jaegonekim 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      WhyCan'tIRemainAnonymous?! I disagree

  • @Bushwhacker-so4yk
    @Bushwhacker-so4yk 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The Guido vowel thing is something I’m going to put in my back pocket for later, thanks.

  • @pineapple9238
    @pineapple9238 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    the editing recently has been incredible

  • @paxwallacejazz
    @paxwallacejazz 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    In the late 80s Steve Coleman who was guest artist at a school I was loosely connected to told me that he'd created a program to improvise jazz based on his own musical predilections. He said it worked well enough for famous bassist composer David Holland to tell him to get rid of it.

  • @pogeman2345
    @pogeman2345 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Oh damn what a coincidence. I just recently watched a documentary about AlphaGo, the AI that beat the world's top 1 Go player and now David uploaded this!

    • @guscox9651
      @guscox9651 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Not a coincidence, the algorithm noticed you were interested in AI so it made sure you watched this one too

    • @pogeman2345
      @pogeman2345 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@guscox9651 I mean it was a coincidence that David uploaded it on the same day as me watching a video about AI. I wasn't referring to it appearing on my feed suddenly after watching the previous vid since I'm subbed to this channel so it will pretty much appear

  • @noble_rosethorn
    @noble_rosethorn 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I suppose you have been watching a lot of Monty Python... But great video! As always, very interesting. And thank you for introducing Arvo Part to me!
    P.S: That Xenakis animation is pure nightmare fuel.

  • @-arche-7926
    @-arche-7926 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Love this vid estpecially! Your nerdiest ones are the BEST!

  • @kiwa11
    @kiwa11 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    thank you David, fascinating !

  • @kinderobi
    @kinderobi 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    It would be awesome to have a 2nd part of this video! This was great! Thank you 🙏🏼

  • @craia25
    @craia25 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Fascinating exploration of music composition and algorithms! 🎵 Algorithms offer composers new tools for unique and innovative pieces, generating ideas and shaping composition structures. 🎹 It's crucial to note that algorithms enhance, not replace, creative input. 🚀 As tech advances, the composer-algorithm relationship evolves, opening exciting avenues for musical expression. 🌟

  • @manuelmoreira8575
    @manuelmoreira8575 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Another brilliant video, now watching for the second time! :D

  • @xanderjcliffe-musicreviews7740
    @xanderjcliffe-musicreviews7740 4 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Garry Kasparov's "Deep Thinking" is a great book about AI vs Human relations.
    The penultimate chapter is called "human plus machine" that discusses how the intelligence, and perfection of computers PLUS the creativity of humans is the greatest actor we can get. In chess, this manifests in humans making strategies, battle plans, taking enemy weaknesses into account, etc, with the machine giving them perfect predictions on the chances of each strategy succeeding, so the intelligence and creativity can be combined. I imagine that the way that composers might use this is with some kind of lick generator, so for example, if I'm starting on C and need to get to Bb an octave below, the machine could calculate the most satisfying to the ear possible way to get down there in let's say a bar, and from there, the composer could choose weather C-Bb was the best choice at all, or weather this 'perfect' lick could be changed to express something specific. This could also be done with cords, so say if I have two very, non-matching cords the AI could generate a path to that make them fit, so the composer can focus on more important things. This is pretty similar to what many of us do already, I, for instance,have a folder of drum fills or solos so when I have a vague idea of what I want I can look through what I've already made. I think the best place for AI is in this 'human plus machine' dichotomy the same way that no chess machine will ever be able to think about metagame or tilting the opponent, AI will never be able to capture experience, or put into notes nuanced emotions, it can, however, be a great resource for 'checking' yourself, meaning all the calculations a chess player is already making, such as 'are there any holes in my defence' can be answered with 100% accuracy and 0% bias, or in other words, doing the automatic calculations humans already do but without objective error. And composing already has similar automatic calculations, I don't have to think about how to resolve, I automatically default to V - I. Or in other words:
    AI is better at the science of music theory, but humans are better at the art of music. and together they'll probably be pretty cool

    • @Posiman
      @Posiman 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      This already used for a lot of music. Not the one you hear in an opera house, but the one you hear in TV, movies, games and all around you.
      Programs like Band in a Box can automatically arrange the melody and harmony input as a Richard Wagner symphony, mariachi band song or Scott Joplin tune. And I'm not saying composers really shoehorn it in like this, they often completely rewrite the output , but they use these tools as part of their creative process, since it automates the boring parts of composing, letting you focus on the more interesting, creative parts...

  • @francissadleir9805
    @francissadleir9805 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    omg, a david bruce upload and Tantacrul in the same day!! Today is a good day

  • @alex.todorovic
    @alex.todorovic 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love the Monty Python style of editing. Great video !

  • @misterbachelor6348
    @misterbachelor6348 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    just heard some of your stuff on R3, David... great! Also love this film...especially the 'plate spinning' DJ

  • @filipecalixto7596
    @filipecalixto7596 ปีที่แล้ว

    Absolutely brilliant video, even for your standarts. Bravo

  • @jeffreyvanderwielen5335
    @jeffreyvanderwielen5335 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Really great video dude! love the editing and the animations in this one and your other videos lately. Would recommend giving Autechre a go if the idea of algorhitmic (electronic) music interests you.

  • @aimilios439
    @aimilios439 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    That was quite a horror show.
    Very well done. I liked it.

  • @alvarostockle
    @alvarostockle 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    The editing in this video is so good!

  • @doctormock1
    @doctormock1 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Glad to see you discussing Per Norgard. What I find interesting about his use of the infinity series is that one can apply the basic formula to different types of pitch collections, microtonal ,chromatic or tonal in order to get different results. While Voyage Into the Golden Screen is good as an introduction to his infinity series pieces, I believe it was his first piece to do so and at times it gets too repetitious for me. I find the his second and third symphonies and the harp concerto Gennem Torne more rewarding to listen to.

  • @cornicello
    @cornicello 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Quite interesting - thought provoking, actually. Thanks so much for posting this.

  • @connor991
    @connor991 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Loved the Ben Levin cameo!

  • @rharrington8669
    @rharrington8669 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I like the new style

  • @simonprecheurllarena
    @simonprecheurllarena 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    “Good ideas aren’t made by algorithms, they arrive mystically through the ether” I died with David’s face 😂

  • @ccrider5398
    @ccrider5398 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    It was pretty cool to see Ben doing music in that style.

  • @PabloGambaccini
    @PabloGambaccini 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent video, very inspiring!

  • @GeoffreySkinner
    @GeoffreySkinner 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love it! Working with limitations set creativity free

  • @yosemitemusic-godsild
    @yosemitemusic-godsild 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    David, your Xenakis-algorithm string chords are gorgeous! I was trying to figure out what that piece was when it first came up! :)

  • @MattMusicianX
    @MattMusicianX 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Whooooa, that is really beautiful at the end. You gonna make an entire composition from that, David?

    • @dudefloatingnearby6445
      @dudefloatingnearby6445 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yes, would love to hear that! Also to know how you used Xenakis' data set to produce it.

  • @sonodrome
    @sonodrome 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wonderful, finally an unbiased look at algorithmic music, nicely done 👍

  • @pkos91
    @pkos91 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for making this video! As a computer science + music major, almost nobody seems to be aware how far along algorithmic composition has come, and how long it's been in development!
    Although, it's a bit funny to study. At my uni's library, algo music books were either punchcards from MUSIC V "scripts", or David Cope's works, or some isolated paper. Now that AI/ML has hit the mainstream, I can't wait for algo music to evolve (ha) in the next decade or so.

  • @GiovanniPiacentiniMusic
    @GiovanniPiacentiniMusic 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wonderful video. Very interesting indeed.

  • @kingofthecrows8802
    @kingofthecrows8802 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    loved the meme style editing in this video

  • @brandongunnarson7483
    @brandongunnarson7483 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I didn't know I needed to hear ben Levin singing Latin until today

  • @MyJazzChannel
    @MyJazzChannel 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for a great intro to this fascinating topic.

  • @MrInterestingthings
    @MrInterestingthings 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This guy's exposure is extraordinary ! It's funny as a performer I heard Aki and her brother Yuji Takahashi,Roger Woodward play Xenakis and Yuji and Messiaen,Boulez the once living masters and couldn't appreciate much except that it was very , very different . Then when I began composing and noticed detail , textures, density uncanny , ingenious notational figures etc,Once you try making things (painting,sculpture,architectre , music ) you can really listen and appreciate better !

  • @dummytri
    @dummytri 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    thank gosh i have such an awful sleep schedule so i can watch this

    • @thekathal
      @thekathal 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Lol get rekt it’s 1 pm here in England lol

  • @riccardocataldi4084
    @riccardocataldi4084 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you

  • @norili7544
    @norili7544 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Really excellent video, thanks for all the inspiration & education :)

  • @DarkSideofSynth
    @DarkSideofSynth 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video, great seeing Ben 'The Trippy Monk' Levin ;) After all, music is maths, it's not magic. It's such a beautiful maths though, that it seems like magic ;) Have a nice weekend.

  • @Bixmy
    @Bixmy 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    U actually talk about xenakis one of my fav composers. noice.

    • @joshuabroyles7565
      @joshuabroyles7565 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Xenakis is extremely effective at getting the kind of result he very clearly intended. That's a reason for other composers to try to understand what Xenakis does and how he does it, even if they don't enjoy the music. Good art is something people probably shouldn't all respond to in the same way. It's pretty hard to make something that seems both personal and universal, because these things are somewhat at odds with each other.

  • @pashwarinaan
    @pashwarinaan 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Amazing visuals on this one!

  • @zgrsky
    @zgrsky 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Your videos are so great. Thanks a lot!

  • @iLikeTheUDK
    @iLikeTheUDK 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    0:43 was the background picture taken in Salisbury? It looks a lot like it

  • @Ryan-wr8fx
    @Ryan-wr8fx 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    This editing is amazing

  • @V1DE0DR0ME
    @V1DE0DR0ME 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Bruce, please please please complete that piece at the end, with the same lush orchestration, and Matthew Rose's amazing voice.