Good advice. Very important. A "50/50" isn't a true coin flip. It's a bit of a misnomer. "Mix up" is generally a much better term. A huge part of the game is learning your opponents tendencies and then using those again them. Every choice/guess you make is informed by all of the previous interactions. Your opponent is doing this same thing. BUT! you don't want to just stand there and wait for them to pick the option you guess correctly if you're actually trying to get better. You gotta learn how to defend against your opponent, sure, but they can't mix you up if you're the one hitting them. Maybe most importantly, the more opportunities you give them, the more of your mental stack will be dedicated to predicting the low instead of making active decisions. Big truths in this video.
i think hidetone was also skirting over the topic of controlling tempo. there are so many ways to negate/enhance 50/50s and timing is just one major component. its why people have coined the term 'true 50/50'. kaz just knocked u down and is flawlessly wavuing on u when ur down and knows how to cd~iws2/ff3/hellsweep? u have to commit to the guess. but thats the 50/50 that was respectable, earning ur mixups with oki has been a part of tekken for as long as i can remember, the direction bamco is going with forced mixups and stances for everyone just really spits on this misunderstood mechanic.
@@markkim1356 Direction bamco is going? Misunderstood mechanic? Chill with the negativity broski. We're all here to talk about how much we love the game you don't gotta yuck the yum. The point I'm making is a human brain is never going to pick option A exactly half the time and option B exactly half the time in any situation. Everyone is more predictable than a "50/50".
I know you're a Bryan specialist but i really appreciate these kinds of general knowledge videos and I wish there was more content like this in the future
I feel like I had this talk but on Soulcalibur. You mentioning that we can't be passive all the time is a good reminder of that very talk I had years ago.
I've been waiting so long for a pro player to make a video about adapting on offense/defense and picking up on opponents' timings and I think you're the one might actually eventually do that Thanks for this vid too though of course
realizing this really made me a better T8 player. in T7 i was doing it to a degree, but the mixups weren’t as much of a thing to worry about, mostly just safe CH launchers that discouraged anyone from doing anything committal in neutral. once i realized i dont have to be afraid of them anymore and can actually be a lot more active in neutral, i felt like i could “keep up” with the game
These yap sessions are really useful I tried using more keep out tools in some recent games after watching this and it helped tremendously, also found I shouldn't be scared to use higher frame moves and just commit to whatever attack im thinking about thanks homie. Have a local tournament in 9 days hope I can learn heihachi by then
I like to stand there and defend and be rewarded with good punishes instead of mashing on my opponent with fast buttons to interrupt him, even if it’s a harder playlstyle on T8 this is how I’ve always been playing fighting games
Even in Knee’s case, he uses jabs a lot to interrupt pressure and limit his opponent’s timings. Or at least, that’s how I interpret them. He does a lot of moving and watching but he will stick out hitboxes sporadically to keep people from getting too comfortable.
Great video but I feel like you underestimate how much your own experience is weighing into your intuition of making fast paced decisions. Many players do not have developed the ability to make quick decisions as they don’t have the same high level experience as you do. That’s if I would teach a piano student a couple piano blues riffs and tell him he has to implement it in his next improv session. It just wouldn’t work. I think there is a big difference between starting slow and becoming faster and just trying to be fast without understanding why it works or doesn’t work
I agree that starting slow and working your way up to being faster is totally viable. But I also think that maybe the point was to just make ANY decision faster, even if its the wrong one. Because now you have information to go off of and you can go back into the replay and ask why that decision didn’t work and figure out what you could have done instead. Your intuition of what the correct decision is gets better as you continue to make the fast decisions.
Advice like this doesn’t help people lose less, it gives people direction and structure on how to lose efficently. 1000 games losing standing there trying to low parry someone vs 1000 games losing trying to guess whats happening next quickly are gonna benefit you differently. Imo the speed of thinking does improve over time but there are people unwilling to continue to believe in their plays because of a couple losses. I wanna encourage people to play fast but dont mash!
I might be the worst player when it comes to Fighting Mishimas, I guess wrong every time and im under alot of stress when they keep wavedashing on me at lightspeed
But neutral is a guessing game too. You try to preventively keep out, you get whiff punished. You don't press anything, you get rushed down. I don't get this genre
do a perfect electric
Actually useful information and easy to diggest. Recommending this to my friends again.
Great vid Tone, pls make more
Good advice. Very important.
A "50/50" isn't a true coin flip. It's a bit of a misnomer. "Mix up" is generally a much better term.
A huge part of the game is learning your opponents tendencies and then using those again them. Every choice/guess you make is informed by all of the previous interactions. Your opponent is doing this same thing.
BUT! you don't want to just stand there and wait for them to pick the option you guess correctly if you're actually trying to get better. You gotta learn how to defend against your opponent, sure, but they can't mix you up if you're the one hitting them.
Maybe most importantly, the more opportunities you give them, the more of your mental stack will be dedicated to predicting the low instead of making active decisions.
Big truths in this video.
i think hidetone was also skirting over the topic of controlling tempo. there are so many ways to negate/enhance 50/50s and timing is just one major component.
its why people have coined the term 'true 50/50'. kaz just knocked u down and is flawlessly wavuing on u when ur down and knows how to cd~iws2/ff3/hellsweep? u have to commit to the guess.
but thats the 50/50 that was respectable, earning ur mixups with oki has been a part of tekken for as long as i can remember, the direction bamco is going with forced mixups and stances for everyone just really spits on this misunderstood mechanic.
@@markkim1356 Direction bamco is going? Misunderstood mechanic? Chill with the negativity broski. We're all here to talk about how much we love the game you don't gotta yuck the yum.
The point I'm making is a human brain is never going to pick option A exactly half the time and option B exactly half the time in any situation. Everyone is more predictable than a "50/50".
Thank you so much for this video. Your words unlocked something in me. I'll do better.
Awesome video bro! 😎 excited for the next one!
I know you're a Bryan specialist but i really appreciate these kinds of general knowledge videos and I wish there was more content like this in the future
That intro is fucking badass
I feel like I had this talk but on Soulcalibur. You mentioning that we can't be passive all the time is a good reminder of that very talk I had years ago.
Definitely a great video, and something I only started to understand more recently and helped a lot in my gameplay.
I've been waiting so long for a pro player to make a video about adapting on offense/defense and picking up on opponents' timings and I think you're the one might actually eventually do that
Thanks for this vid too though of course
The perfect advice for neutral plays, I've learned this because of the community through observing and playing with good players
i would love another video on this topic. imo it's where I struggle the most. Great video!
realizing this really made me a better T8 player. in T7 i was doing it to a degree, but the mixups weren’t as much of a thing to worry about, mostly just safe CH launchers that discouraged anyone from doing anything committal in neutral. once i realized i dont have to be afraid of them anymore and can actually be a lot more active in neutral, i felt like i could “keep up” with the game
These yap sessions are really useful I tried using more keep out tools in some recent games after watching this and it helped tremendously, also found I shouldn't be scared to use higher frame moves and just commit to whatever attack im thinking about thanks homie. Have a local tournament in 9 days hope I can learn heihachi by then
"And you all have adhd" gotta be the best outro I've heard in a long time
Damn ill never get mixed up when I see a new Tone video just dropped
🥹
Anakin also told me some life changing info. God bless that man.
What was it?
Commenting bc curious too haha
I play feng and l asked him before l played if he had any advice and he said db3, but u gotta be quick with it.
What really changed me was he borrowed my controller cable and l can feel his tekken prowess coursing thru it.
😅😅@@mikekingtaberna8917
this MIGHT be my goat :shrugemoji: :100emoji: :hmmMeeting:
TH-cam did you dirty with the emojis
it was intentional 💀
Great video, look forward to more from you Tone!
That toddler 4:35 looks fcking hilarious 😂
Phitus
Was literally just watching a phidx video about defense and then this video pops up in my feed once it ended. Lit
I like to stand there and defend and be rewarded with good punishes instead of mashing on my opponent with fast buttons to interrupt him, even if it’s a harder playlstyle on T8 this is how I’ve always been playing fighting games
Engagement comment goin crazy 🔥 (solid video as always)
Exactly the video I needed
Great video, learned something with this one 💯
4:19 anakin impression kinda on point ngl lmao
Kinda hooked on ya" channel lately among some other Bryan pros'....no time to play so keep em coming plz
I felt personally attacked at the end.
Honestly mind opening❤❤
These 10 minutes have been massive for me.
Even in Knee’s case, he uses jabs a lot to interrupt pressure and limit his opponent’s timings.
Or at least, that’s how I interpret them.
He does a lot of moving and watching but he will stick out hitboxes sporadically to keep people from getting too comfortable.
He uses df1 more than jab
@@WeMissDimebag his jab placements are amazing
Great video but I feel like you underestimate how much your own experience is weighing into your intuition of making fast paced decisions. Many players do not have developed the ability to make quick decisions as they don’t have the same high level experience as you do. That’s if I would teach a piano student a couple piano blues riffs and tell him he has to implement it in his next improv session. It just wouldn’t work. I think there is a big difference between starting slow and becoming faster and just trying to be fast without understanding why it works or doesn’t work
I agree that starting slow and working your way up to being faster is totally viable. But I also think that maybe the point was to just make ANY decision faster, even if its the wrong one. Because now you have information to go off of and you can go back into the replay and ask why that decision didn’t work and figure out what you could have done instead. Your intuition of what the correct decision is gets better as you continue to make the fast decisions.
Whole lotta yapping for a sentences worth of information
Advice like this doesn’t help people lose less, it gives people direction and structure on how to lose efficently. 1000 games losing standing there trying to low parry someone vs 1000 games losing trying to guess whats happening next quickly are gonna benefit you differently.
Imo the speed of thinking does improve over time but there are people unwilling to continue to believe in their plays because of a couple losses. I wanna encourage people to play fast but dont mash!
Woo another bryan fury guide from the tju tutorial god
New Tone just dropped.
Does this also apply to Yoshimitsu's oppressive wall pressure/oki? That shi makes me think I have no choice
This video makes me realize I was playing T8 in T7 lmao
Thanks for the tips and letting me use your Lamborghini to take my sick fish to the vet tone U da Goat
Time to overthink another Kings sprint situation
Please make a better neutral guide ❤
After this video I no longer get mixed & I master the neutral game. Thank you hidetone. I have lots of girlfriends now.
I might be the worst player when it comes to Fighting Mishimas, I guess wrong every time and im under alot of stress when they keep wavedashing on me at lightspeed
i need the instrumental in ur intro
"just hit the child before they rock paper scissors you"
How do you play neutral when people just press round start?
Every round start it’s better if you block, sidestep guard or kbd if you can do it cleanly.
@@baconbitz7804 neutral starts at Fight, so just do what beats what they open with
I never lose the 50/50. It's pretty easy tbh. i just simply...uninstall the game🤣
When does "Real tekken" start?
Red Ranks.
From Tekken God and up I would say
tekken emperor
Somewhere around god ranks if you're asking about a rank
@@SD-mi2vc maybe real tekken is the friends we made along the way
lmao the toddler phi
Neutral is nonexistent in t8 lol watch any high level play both players are always staying in close range forcing timing mixups
i have to report this before the red ranks see it
40 minutes next time.
But neutral is a guessing game too. You try to preventively keep out, you get whiff punished. You don't press anything, you get rushed down. I don't get this genre
first
this guy talking made me sleep
Well, well, well - somebody knows about sansukumi-the three-way deadlock.
you play Byron ?
yes
ROFL - I DO have ADHD ! 🤣