Underappreciated Historical Armors: BRIGANDINE, and Steel-Mastery review
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- An in-depth look at one of the most underappreciated but awesome armors of the medieval period, the Brigandine.
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Fucking hell shad I just finished listening to your book and tbh I'm not much of a reader or book man but that was amazing and a for someone's first publication I'm very impressed that book damn near brought tears to my eyes at several points, I freaking loved it I look forward to seeing anything you plan on making with this universe. And p.s I just might buy the physical copy cause of how awesome it was.i am disappointed with one thing the book was great and all BUT WHAT ABOUT DRAGONS!!!!!!
They are making a short film of it: th-cam.com/video/B8xst3P8gbA/w-d-xo.html
Dragons will appear in the next book. I've got good money on it. 🤣😉
How difficult and unusual Shad’s wording is? I’m really curious and want to try Shad’s book but I’m afraid as a non native I’ll have trouble understanding everything.
@@mscrabson consider an audiobook version. It's far easier to figure out what's being said when a native speaker reads it to you. Inflection, cadence, and intonation really helps with some unfamiliar phrases.
That said, I'm a native English speaker, I just have an easier time with other languages when other people read them. I haven't read Shad's book yet, but in general, that helps me.
@@samuelevans738 ARMOURED dragons!
Shad got a level up, he’s getting too strong...
I miss the cuddly Shad. 😭
Went from shad to chad
He also looks like he shed some lbs, way to go Shad!
Shad doesn't believe in leveling up. He thinks it's stupid. Did a whole video about it called "Why character levels in RPGs are stupid."
Mark Pompeo yeah, I hate when enemy is unbeatable just because numbers.
Shad looks ridiculously good in that Brigandine. He be making those damsels want to elope. Yet the man has already sworn to another.
The fact that shad would heart this comment over many more is just too good to be trye
codo-walllopo LNTLG *true
I mean, i feel hes working out a LOT lately. He looks way healthy!
He does look good in it that crimson is especially sexy
I think he *is* Mormon, so...
Shad: *Spends over half an hour just talking about his armor*
Me, a peasant: " ...P-please, sire, I just need into the keep..."
Damnit dude I was 11 minutes into the video and I read your comment and now I can't help but imagine this the whole time.
I can't stop laughing at this comment... XD
🤣
"You should have thought about that before being born POOR!"
POV: You're a humble peasant trying to bring water to the keep, but your lord is standing outside ranting about how awesome his gambeson is and he really really wants to let you know about it.
"do glasses break immersion?"
Me watching a man review armour from the dark ages on my magic talking rectangle: Yes.
When you watch it on the larger magic rectangle: it's way more immersive.
Highly under-appreciated comment! 😆👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
To me they don't but I'm also one of those people who wishes we had all progressions we have now minus the military stuff since then
@@captaintitusz4761 Your gonna feel real dumb for not for not wanting a badass military if we have to deal with an alien invasion, a demonic incursion, or God forbid, a communist takeover.
@@SquashGuy02134 roflmao we've long had the most badass military. And communism isn't that popular anymore (it's just used to make oligarchs richer). It's socialism. You know social security Medicare section 8 food stamps. You know all our programs to help the less fortunate.. which will probably 80% of people in 2030...
The neighbors: "Honey, he's at it again, this time he's wearing studded leather." "No, that's not studded leather, it's Brigandine, we gotta move now, he's now fully prepared for war!"
I love brigandine. I wore it once, it's slimming.
@@foolslayer9416 I'd wear various armor too, but I'm broke. Also, pretty sure any armor I wear will have the opposite effect for me. Pretty difficult to be slimmer than I already am. Well, unless I want to look like an actual skeleton that is (my metabolism is godly). Also over 200 likes in 12 hours, was not expecting that, thanks people.
@@darkrite9000 Cosplay as an undead?
@@BlackEpyon Well I could certainly pull off being a skeleton or something.
Lmao
*Historical* = You're wearing a fully accurate armor reproduction.
*Historicaly Accurate* = You wouldn't look apart in a group of similarly eqquiped soldiers, you blend in perfectly even though your armor is personalised to your liking.
*Historicaly Plausible* = You would look apart in a group of similarly eqquiped soldiers but they wouldn't question you about your armor.
*Fantasy* = "Where and when do you come from Sir ? What the duck are you wearing ?!"
*Wearing actual duck*
@@ThatOneGuy-iv9sn According to Fiore, Contra-Contrartio (drawn to represent the fourth beat in the fight) wears a swan hat.
Purrrrrrrrfect.
Edit: Why did I write that?
@@the11382 studded leather < brigandine
*Fantasy* = "-And where can get one!?
Alternative title: time travelling mercenary praises armour in front of his castle.
Only thing missing is the codpiece and he'd have the full mercenary kit.
How is he a travelling merchant if hes in front of his castle, doesnt that just make him a merchant or a lord
@@joanignasi91 yes where are the codpiece reviews!
@@johannesclips1685 Mercenary, and he could've captured it!
Sure
I love how they literally started marketing it as the "Shadiversity Brigandine" over at their site xD Shad is a model now guys.
I made my own comment with this info, but gave you credit. Sorry for stealing but I wanted to include the link. XD
@@sorryifoldcomment8596 put the link under this comment
I believe it. Man looks good in it lol
I just checked when I saw this comment, and it is still called the Brigandine Shadiversity Set. He deserves it for his attentive dedication
He already was
Seeing him now, compared to months ago when he was going through that rough time... *happy noises*
I remember him mentioning he had a bunch of medical concerns, but what specifically were those and did he get the help he needed?
@@kounurasaka5590 chronic fatigue caused by sleep apnea. He had surgery to correct the issues causing it.
I'm assuming the surgery worked as Shad is looking great and is exerting himself way more than before, it's awesome to see!
@@edwardstables5153 I agree. He looks like a new man.
@@edwardstables5153 lmao thats awesome to hear. He does look good, just healthier overall. I mean look at the action when hes drawing that bow!
Everyone knows the more stylish the armor, the more effective it is.
That's why I requested flames be painted on my armor. Mobility is the most important stat.
In terms of fantasy, everyone knows that the less clothing you wear, the more powerful you become. In fantasy, the best and most powerful version of you is the one not wearing any clothes.
@@kremit6479 As powerful as that sounds, I think the increase in movement speed would still make a plate bikini with flames painted on it worthwhile. Thanks for the tip.
@@Dovahkitten Then I guess you just paint your skin, while still retaining maximum power.
@@Dovahkitten Nah fam. You got to have no skin as well, hell no flesh! Just be a soul flying around and be invincible.
Steel-Mastery: we just want a simple shout-out
Shad: I'll take your entire stock!!!
But does it work... underwater? XD
Shut up and take my Ducats!
@@MiciusPorcius And my florins!!
I love how shad's hand just constantly drifts back to his sword handle. It's just natural for him.
Honestly, it is just a natural movement while wearing a sword. I am an American Civil War reenactor, wearing any sabre or NCO sword, it's just the natural thing to do!
And necessary to keep control of your sword.
Looks like if you didn't do that you'd just bang and poke your hand all the time, even with zero consideration of security or readiness or anything
He is stopping the sword swinging about and banging into his legs etc. If your used to wearing a sword you do this automatically.
Fun fact: the term "brigandine" arose because its ease of manufacture and maintenance made it popular with *brigands*, a word that originally did not mean "bandit" but rather "independent foot soldier." (If you know anything about the history of warfare, the shift in the meaning of the word should come as no surprise.) Because brigands had minimal chains of command to provide equipment and resources, having a simple, (relatively) cheap, yet well-protective type of armor was very useful to them!
If I’m not mistaken, word brigand itself has its roots in roman times and used to refer to certain tribe?
@@Ake-TL not sure about that but it could very well be true. Can you link to a reference on the subject?
@@masonwheeler6536 the obvious leap is the Brigantes, a tribe from what is now northern England, but I have no concrete link.
Nice
French terms "Brigand" "Brigade" "Brigandine" share an obvious common root. For what I can remember, a brigade was a mercenary troop, made of brigands wearing brigandines... such mercenaries tended to revert to robbers when they weren't retained and that's why "brigand" 's meaning shifted to bandit in French.
On a side note, yes the brigandine was easier to maintain but even when it got too damaged, the metal could be saved to be sewn in a vest to become the brigandine poor cousin : the jack of plates. It's a jack of plates that was later used as one of the earliest attempt to create a bulletproof vest... the weight of history...
Shad: "If you are familiar with my content, you can probably tell that I'm wearing something different than what I usually wear"
Me: Contact lenses?
Whiskers
If I didn't read the title of the video, the lack of his glasses would have made me miss the brigandine.
Same
I feel like the glasses Shad is a kind loving father who is a writer, while the the Shad without glasses is a character from a historical drama/movie
Shad: "...I'm wearing something different..."
me: "yes, no glasses"
And the poet sheaths his pen while the soldier lifts his sword?
Some people take their Coat/ Jacket off when they get serious.....Baron Shad, however, takes of his glasses
Glasses: Shad
No glasses: Chad
he looks much better without glasses
"does it break the immersion?"
*standing in front of a miniature plastic castle*
That castle is "real". th-cam.com/video/L0SbXeKDEmA/w-d-xo.html
Henry: But is it…. Immersive?
@@max_garcia But what about dragons ?
It's not miniature. It's just very far in the background
@@craig8197 watching sir Ben attempt to enter the castle tells a different story
Pov: *You accidently started a non-skippable conversation with a NPC*
I can't believe he never mentioned the arrow in his knee
@@crazeddonkey He's still an adventurer, duh
jeez i know i clicked but man does it feel like an unskippable conversation aahahah
'Must have been the wind'
It really did feel like that but only because I was so engrossed I couldn't stop listening 😂
glasses off: who is this handsome knight of the ancient times
glasses on: oh my it was Shad all along!
Glasses off: a HEMA practicioning history enthusiastic youtuber?
Glasses on: Shad the HEMA practicioning history enthusiastic youtuber!
It's the Clark Kent effect!
A history buff?
*puts on glasses*
SHAD THE HISTORY BUFF?!
Who'd a thought.
Not me, i thought it was the dragon lord, as the scrolls had described.
Hang on...
Petition to get Shadiversity a job as wardrobe director on the next medieval movie!
And/or weapon props director, for that matter. Medieval architecture too. He'd be good to have on the team.
He needs to be the director! The man already wrote his own book, let’s see an original cinematic!
I feel like Shad has a very surface-level knowledge of the stuff he hasnt talked about on his channel and about a work-week worth of reading up on subjects he makes videos about. One exception to this is arcitechture since he is an arcitecht by profession, not a historian.
Also hollywood hires people to make movies look flashy for the dumb commoner who has maybe played Skyrim if even that. Not history buffs that can appreciate the historical accuracy of the clothing on background characters.
One army and another clashes, arrows fall over the 'bad guys' few of them die, as the arrows bounce on the armor. 'Who had the idea to make this scene so it makes sense?!' -'Was Shad!' -'Shad, yes, he could do such a thing'
All this time I thought the brigandine was "cloth armor". Videos like this are so helpful for us artists!
Wife: Babe, please, not again.
Shad: *THE BRIGANDINE STAYS ON!*
Wife: At least remove the pauldrons.
I am wearing protection
he's wearing protection
If i would be his wife i would beg for him to keep it on everywhere. Even in bed.
This made me laugh so hard I almost cried. Ok I did cry
They aren't glasses, they're Merlin's ocular visor.
It is known
Lord Merlin's looking glass, even.
The ideal companion series to Under-appreciated Historical Weapons.
Dare I suggest another series titled, "Fantasy Re- Armoured"?
Oh hell yes
Goth Mog YAS! Fantasy Re-Armored! Do it! [insert Sideous's "do it" gif]
Yep, I'm on board.
Agreed, this is a genius idea.
Just do it!
I appreciate the sentiment of differentiating historically “accurate” vs “plausible”. The simple facts written records are spotty and inconsistent at best.
I loved studying anthropology and history. Also, the further you go back the more you get information based on the first guys (generally) interpretation of the artifacts or sites that are rediscovered. These interpretations are put into text books until someone sores along and proves that aspects of what those first guys thought through experimentation and theories based on more modern understandings of the relevant historical period.. it’s just always been interesting to me how the perception of history changes overtime and how that process has come about.
Reminds of the blacks in premodern Europe trend in films, TV shows, etc. since the Great Awokening. Is it plausible for a subsaharan African to have made his way to Northern Europe? Possibly. Is it accurate for blacks to be present in large numbers or in prominent positions? Hell no.
I would say age and time which is kind of the same thing is an accurate example to your statement, eg some things I thought of when I was 21 in a certain way now being older I think of them differently, almost like a was wrong back then to think like that but now I'm 100 % sure I'm right, and then my son grows up and finds out some new info about the stuff I thought I was right about and proves a different reality.
After Shad had his surgery, he seems to have gotten 15 years younger. Keep at it dude, love seeing you like this.
Trevor Gibbons I don’t think it was just breathing problems tho. It’s been awhile since I’ve seen the video but pretty sure he would tire out quickly if doing any sort work that requires some effort. So not just breathing, but really everything in your body is telling you to slow down or not do it. Getting winded is just the end result. Could be wrong tho it has been awhile.
the armor gives a him a better shape than , fat guy.
@Trevor Gibbons @thefisherman007 it was a breathing problem, but only when he sleeped. It caused fatigue so he couldnt move a lot during the day
@@carbonado2432 im pretty sure he lost a lot of weight
Getting better sleep will help with weight loss. Energy for exercise and even just helping your body regulate itself better.
I love that Kingdom come: Deliverance not only added a historically accurate brigandine but also made it one of the top body armors in the game.
Its the strongest i can find thats not the DLC armor.
@@robertharris6092 Nurembergian Cuirass would like a word with you. It's stats beat all the brigandines and was in the base game. Hell so would the Magdeburg stuff.
No, the bright Brigandine is literally the best non dlc armor in the game
If im not mistaken Pillar of Eternity also had brigandines as one of the top armors of the game
Unfortunately they also rated leather armor above gamberson. Can't win them all i guess...
@@arthurgrmg2850 True, but then again, they deserve some credit for **not** having "Studded Leather" armor.
Shad's wife: Honey, I thought the nice people at Steel-Mastery were sending you the Brigandine as a gift for a shout out.
Shad: Yes love they are
Shad's wife: Then what are these charges to the bank account for then.....
Shad:........you know you married
Shad, the splint mail in DnD is actually an inside-out version of a brigandine. The description reads, "This armor is made of narrow vertical strips of metal riveted to a backing of leather that is worn over cloth padding." Interchange 'narrow vertical strips' with 'small horizontal plates' and turn it inside out, and it would be a dead-on description of a brigandine.
Exactly
The thing about splint armor is it absolutely existed....just almost exclusively as limb armor with the torso protected by something else because while it's good at keeping your arms attached and unbroken, it's not really good at keeping a big flat surface like the torso by being punctured by a spear or arrow. If you combined it with brigandine (and a helm, of course), you'd have a perfectly reasonable suit of armor, but fantasy artists keep trying to make splint torso armor for some reason...
@@dynamicworlds1 Huh, that would explain the long sleeve arm protectors I see on some Legionaire units in Rome 2. Part of the Segmentum series I suppose.
There isn't leather in brigandine, did you not listen to the man!
Thing is what they are describing is actually modern body armor. That usually consists of a kevlar vest worn over normal clothing with ceramic tiles attached to the outside.
*Shad:* "I'm wearing something different"
*Me:* "Contact lenses"
Clever comment, you earned yourself an upvote good sir/mam
Upvote hmmmmm
And he looks great without glasses
r/foundtheredditor
I thought he was going to say that for a laugh
Soldier in brigandine: "I may die in battle today, but dang it I'm going to leave a good looking corpse."
Kolonel A.B.C.D. de la Houlette would like to know if he has a great looking neck
@@thefrenchbastard1646 I'm afraid I don't get the reference.
@@truefanforum3273 Yeah, I imagine you are right and that many many soldiers in armor were thinking along that line. Why else would they decorate armor and weapons with things like Inlay or silk emroidery, next to none of it is practical.
@@erikblarg5498 As Shad pointed out, fashion reaches into everything. And maybe the decorations made the soldiers feel unique and special?
@@truefanforum3273 Made you somewhat distinctive in the field likely. 100 bodies clad in steel, mail, and helmets...Having something that makes you distinct was probably nice.
And probably like you said, it makes you feel unique or it looks cooool.
The same reason soldiers in Vietnam decorated and painted their helmets, or designed special unit patches, kept unit trophies, and had mascots or special banners. Unity. Style. Intimidation. boosts personal morale. You'd be surprised how much "Look good, feel good" makes a difference in combat. How feeling like you look like a badass makes you more confident in your abilities, more assured of your decisions, feel like you have power over your enemies, in a manner. The worlds earliest "power" suits.
Steelmastery: can you sponsor us
Shad: uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu.....
Steelmastery: you can have our brigandine
Shad: I’LL TAKE YOUR ENTIRE STOCK
"*shut up and take my money*"
500k views, a lot of unsigned in accounts, auto playlist loads and bots/paid subs, *I'm worth 1000's* what a joke haha
@@SCP-001DatabaseAdministrator what?
You mean can they sponsor Shad
The common man's plate. With impact absorbitive backing, very hard to defeat. With modern ceramic microplates and high density metals, you can create something that is literally bulletproof like this. Either way, it's great stuff- pretty easy to produce since you can replace plates and assemble from mass produced metal slivers. As compared to Plate, which is sooo much more labor intensive. Plus! It is also weather resistant, so you can actually wear it on a daily basis without ruining it or having spending hours polishing and oiling it.
I mean in concept a modern plate carrier is basically the same thing. It’s not segmented as much but to my understanding there are ballistic reasons not do that related to fragmenting and deflections. Aside from that though modern body armor is a tough fabric vest with 2-4 (depending on if the sides are protected) internal pouches that steel/ceramic plates and trauma pads are inserted into.
@@ethansenter5298 I believe its a combination of the risks of fragmentation and deflection as well as dispersal of the impact force. When a bullet impacts the plate inside ballistic plate carrier armor, the force/momentum of the bullet (which is somewhere between the force that swinging a hammer and a sledge hammer would have, .223/5.56 has about 1800 Joules of kinetic energy and .308/7.62 has about 3200 Joules, which is quite a lot of force to dissipate) is transferred to the plate and then that impact force is spread over the entire surface area of the plate when it transfers to your body, which for standard SAPI plates is around 100 - 130 square inches depending on size. If the armor plates in a ballistic vest were segmented, then that same amount of force from the bullet striking would be dispersed over a MUCH smaller amount of surface area, which would mean the damage from the impact would be much higher. Getting shot with a rifle round that hits a SAPI plate already does quite a bit of damage even with zero actual penetration (to the point where Im pretty sure it can crack ribs and certainly will bruise severely). If the plates were segmented, I could easily see the results being that far too often a hit would result in cracked/broken ribs to the point where lungs and would be punctured or other such injuries, rendering the armor practically worthless.
@@KA24DERACER Agreed, the importance of dispersing the forces over as large an area as possible is something rather obvious which I shouldn’t have overlooked. I think my mind was on the fragmentation risk because I had just watched a video on it.
@KA24DERACER wouldn't have thin segmented plates attached to a main plate solve this problem while giving some of the benefits like being replaceable
Well, modern ballistic ("bulletproof") armour worn by ex. police and military is conceptually the same. It is made from resistant fabric like kevlar along with hard plates inside, usually made from composite, metal and/or ceramic, so you're pretty much spot on when you say you could create modern ballistic armour in the way of a brigandine - it is exactly what modern militaries actually use.
Shad.. With this look, you should consider renaming yourself Chadiversity.
Yeah dude, looking good.
We'd need more golf clubs for that name.
Shad really do be a Chad in all honesty tho
Bruh I’m saying
It _does_ look very spiffy.
@@malahamavet 'The Australian Shovel Knight' takes my vote.
Damn, that armor looks so badass!
Vote yes for more Brigandine in fantasy games instead of studded leather!
Also those using "studded leather" can easily retcon it to be a Brigandine since as Shad stated leather was also used in their construction.
Shad: Brigandine is a very effective armor that is unfortunately overlooked in many adaptations of the medieval period.
Me as soon as the video starts: O look Chinese Brigandine armor!
@@maxverner2341 lol right? The C drama crowd immediately noticed. Funny most people around here also overlook Chinese armor thinking that no chainmail/platemail = China didn't have good armor.
@@maxverner2341 nevermind Shad explained all the reasons why China wouldn't want plate armor. high maintenance, high cost, low yield and the one he didn't mention is that plate armor in Europe became wide spread only by the 15th century (watch his Game Theory reaction video) and by then China was already using guns and rockets (yes rockets look up huolongchushui which debuted in the 14th century) that made plate armor useless.
@@natalyni9245 C drama armor is so inaccurate though. You always see someone cutting through them with ease. But brigandine armor is even less impressive than that when you find out that China actually made paper armor that held up as well as European plate armor. The mythbusters even made their own and even that one held up as good as their period accurate plate armor. It just didn't last as long. But who cares as long as it lasts a whole battle. They even found out that the armor gets stronger in rain!
Ok this is the coolest armor I've never seen before. This DOES need to be thrust into the midst of Hollywood and be represented in movies far more often.
Yes!
I feel like the black armour that geralt of rivia (witcher series) was inspired by the brigandine
Shad's cosmetic game has been up there for the last two videos. Kind of impressed me and goes well with his tiny mock castle-gate.
I can guess ONE movie it's going to appear in!
In the first 5 minutes you convinced me I want brigandine instead of plate. Faster, more flexible, maybe even slightly lighter. Genius concept. Very similar to modern combat armor which contains multiple ceramic plates to stop bullets.
I swear, seeing you wear that just made me think “didn’t I kill this guy in the Witcher?”, awesome vid nonetheless!
Oh my God i just realized it looks like the Cat School armour
@@TITANia69420 IKR!!
@@TITANia69420 yeah it looks like the mastercrafted feline armor dyed in red
@@XXPePeXX yeah, he just need mail underneath
Yes you did. But, Shad has many lives. LOL
I see... We had it wrong the whole time! It's not studded leather, it's STUDDED CLOTH!
another thought on the possibilities of brigandage in movies
replace the steel plates with plastic and you have a very cheep, light weight, and historically accurate costume piece.
I was thinking even a stiff cardboard or paper material could potentially work. You'd just sew or glue them in place and then glue metal bits to the outside to look like rivets. Bonus points if you can get the metal bits to also attach to the cardboard to keep your fake rivets from moving unrealistically.
Actually, the brigandine coat of plates is so functional that it is the most popular armor in the SCA, and yes, you can and they do substitute the steel plates with plastic plates made from 55gal plastic drums. As a matter of fact, they have a '10yd' rule allowing bare plastic plates so long as at 10yds it appears 'authentic'.
Cheap
For plastic plate, try thermoformer plastic kydex. I've made several and they work fine.
But then it wouldn't be historically accurate...
My brother and I own brigandines that we've owned and worn for many years. Super light, very durable, flexible and easy to get in and out of. Also works great with separate single pieces of plate. Definitely a good piece of armor to own. Shad's looks straight up gorgeous; love the color :-)
This is the coolest armor that I've never seen before.
Steel Mastery: Hey, Shad. Can you give us a shout out for this cuirass?
Shad: I'll take your entire stock!
Steel Mastery: [Ultra stonks]
Steel Mastery: Holey lite ⬆️
Steel mastery: *quietly promotes the marketing guy who thought of calling Shad for a shout out*
Shadiversity action figure:
Shad in Brigandine
Shad in Gamberson
each with historically inaccurate weapons
Added collectable: Excalibur
Limited, autographed collectors edition: Shad in brigandine over gambeson shooting a draw assist SIL warbow with a broken retention handle lying on the figurine base.
@@SonsOfLorgar Limited Collector's pack all what you said + autographed novel too
And the Castle Playset.
With Machicolations!!!
with changeable banners with one that states Because Dragons right?
Love the armor. I’m definitely a fan of brigandine now. Love your kit although I do prefer metatron’s royal blue.
how society thinks men want to dress: suit tie slacks dress shoes
how men really want to dress: 0:10
Can I add caps to this too. I really want capes to be a thing. Maybe cloaks instead but still.
@@richiek1155 Wool cloak comeback, yes please..
Society: "Oh for goodness sake, I don't think men want to dress that way, I just think its funny to make them dress that way. I know they want to wear a briganden, I just think its funny to crush their dream of ever getting to. I also found a way to BBQ puppies and kittens alive yet still eat them raw."
Nailed it
I would love a full dark green (to kinda blend in with the forest) brigadine set
Ahh... so this is how studded leather became a thing: People misunderstood, and this is not well enough known, so it was only spreading misinformation when people saw it...
I myself was confused at first, in previous video, why on earth is Shad wearing studded leather: It's not at all obvious it has metal plates in it from outside to a lay person.
A lot of the older games had both studded leather and brigandine, but drew an explicit link between the two. Essentially, "studded leather" was a lighter and lower-quality brigandine where there are gaps between the metal plates rather than them overlapping (or at least meeting at the edges) like a proper brigandine. Over time, though (including later editions of D&D), brigandine (and lamellar) was largely forgotten and people started forgetting that there was supposed to be more under the surface than the external "studs".
I blame E Gary Gygax for a lot of that, for all I love his work. I was also misled by "studded leather" armor, and it didn't help that even back then I knew that leather armor was effective. That started back around '80 or so, and until now I've never heard of brigandine, so to me the influence on fantasy writing and games is quite obvious. Nobody's perfect.
Makes me wonder how people got into using mail as synonym for armour, like for example the terms scale mail and plate mail
Brigandine
Me: wait, its all metal plates?
Shad: Always has been.
*loads crossbow *
@@kyrnti1075 *loads fancy breechloading wheel lock gun*
@Blizzard Gaming ignoreyit because the gun i mentioned actually exists :P
@Blizzard Gaming in case you wonder about the gun:
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@Blizzard Gaming how about a double barreled Bolt Action Big Game rifle?
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That's probably the best color you could have on a brig, looks cool
Burgundy Brigandine.
Shad, doesn’t that brigandine just make you want to stand atop your castle and roar with that legendary battlecry...
*MACHICOLATIOOOOOONSSAH!!*
MACHICOLATIONS!
pronounced 'macilations' apparently according to Lindybeige, sick burn
Probably went back out and did it after “hearting” your comment
Woops I spelled it wrong... well the heart of the expression was there at least
Glasses on: Sage mode.
Glasses off: Badass mode.
And we haven't even witnessed Shad's final form :o
Shad with his glasses in quantum superposition of being on and off the same time?
When he puts his glasses on the point of his nose, he has his glasses both On AND Off
G-mage Wizard or a monocle
Glasses on- shad, Glasses of- chad.
Monocle on: Badass Sage.
I vote for the brigandine to make a modern comeback.
* fashionable
* protective
* cost effective
* did i mention fashionable?
( warning: do not wear near giant magnets )
Kevlar brigandine is possible...
@@heidiaguirre5672 Or aluminum! It's not AS good as steel but it's so much lighter and cheaper that it can still be effective (make the plates a little thicker to compensate).
Arguably, modern flak jackets could almost be called brigandine. The main difference is that the plates are stitched in instead of riveted.
I was thinking about sleeveless longcoat + jacket combo using proprietary cut-resistant fabrics as a protection layer.
The problem is the financial feasibility and difficulties choosing to have a tailor make it or make it yourself.
I looked into UK-based Cut Tex and US-based SuperFabric, though the challenge is procurement.
Cut Tex is designed for cut resistance, but has regular puncture resistance due to dealing with knife slashes and biting.
SuperFabric uses plastic-based plates over the fabric to provide varying resistances based on plate shape, which can reach ANSI cut resistance A8 on its own, and even used for abrasion resistance when thrown across rough asphalt from a motorbike. The manufacturer introduced silver traces as an option for anti-microbial surface in recent years.
@@codahighland Titanium if you want to flex
Bullets: I'm about to end this man's whole life
Only 30 sec in, and I love it. Thank you for doing something us writers can't do and find little time to research.
Shad spends 40 minutes figuratively and literally flexing in his armor
Why not look how cool he looks
Steel mastery website is taking a long time to load... I imagine they're experiencing a bit more traffic than usual.
Yeah, I was looking for this. It's taking too long
Still happening 5 hrs on
Brigandine: The armor that inspired the Holywood Studded Leather made of flimsy leather
Shadiversity: WRONG! Give us Gambisons!
Technically. Brigantine CAN be made with leather.
Still it doesn´t matter. Only armor which really works in Holywood movies is the plot armor.
@@baronvonbrunn8596 true
"Do you call this one a brig?"
No, I'd call it a full metal jacket...
You Magnificent Bastard I've read your BOOK! And it was one of the most refreshing works of fiction I've read in a long time. Thank you for that and I will by the sequel. Btwy you look badass in this!
That Patton vs Rommel reference though.
William Watton same here I‘m gonna read while wearing my chainmail hoodie
If you don´t have time to read, try the audiobook. The Voice actors do a magnificent job. It even has his theme music
@@samoht2911 oh yeah, it friking great
@@bujtorm I thought it sounded familiar.
Brigandine, at least yours, also looks badass as hell, while being functional
This ARMOUR literally gives you more movement than my school uniform.
Seriously, I'm not exaggerating.
I can feel some of your pain- luckily only had overly tight pants in my school
Wouldn’t it be great to have a brigadine uniform
pretty sure kevlar vests will be required wear soon in some schools in america.
@@SteveAkaDarktimes Definitely a meme, However they do sell bulletproof backpacks here (Gotta go to gun stores or sports wear super stores not smaller ones)
Woah. Im stunned, and charmed. This is the most attractive ensamble of protective gear ive ever seen. This has peak fashion, and obviously pretty decent protection. You look pretty great in it as well ;)
"You should never underestimate the impact fashion has in nearly every walk of life, including armor."
-Shad M. Brooks, 2020
Heard one tale many years ago, of a man or woman that was glib of tongue and real easy on the eyes, if you know what I mean. The whole village got together and dress them in the finest with an entourage to go .
Told them where a noble party was and they should go.
Lie your ass off, but what ever you do,
don't embarrass yourselves or tell them where we live !
-- bit of some old Irish/ Sicilian humor .
I was wondering if he ever played dark souls when he said it :D
The Cavalier’s Secret is a shining example of this; a metal bowl worn under their hats so they wouldn’t have to fully sacrifice protection to look good.
Shad: "brilliant I love a good troll, I can be a bit of a troll myself"
I think Shad just had a "hello fellow kids" moment there
Read the comments ^_^
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@@shadiversity brilliant. Just brilliant
it's ok to be a bit behind if you aren't engaged as even being out for a few days will set you far behind.
Brigandine is one of the most underrated armors in history
Justice for brigandine!
#BrigandineAwareness
Real talk, brigandine is my favorite medieval armor. Because it seems more affordable than plate harness, and mayyyybe less of a pain to construct and maintain than mail (but don't hold me to that), it seems the next step up from just a gambeson, etc. Learning more about its range of motion and flexibility also accentuates its usefulness compared to plate or fabric armor. I use it in place of mail for my mid-level body armor in games I run. :p
I fucking LOVE shad, his genuine interest & overall personality is incredibly adoring.
Shad Fact: Shad's reflexes are so quick, he caught the Flash by the throat, I'm the.middle of him going backwards in time.
I like your comment. Not to be that person but can you edit your comment and fix the start of your 2nd sentence replace I'm --> In and remove that period between the.middle
This message has been approved by Chuck Norris (my future husband 20 years ago)
Shad fact: shad has been known to snatch the souls of his enemies, explain their features and return them out of kindness
This is a wonderfully wholesome channel made just to comment on Shad's videos! I never noticed until now, thank you for your work.
I think that "studded leather armor" came about as a pop-culture misinterpretation of brigandine, particularly in both Holywood and with DnD, and as for DnD I know Mr. Gygax is pretty well studied, so I think it's possibly more likely that someone in the writing process saw brigandine and was like "there's no way there's metal under that" and just kind of ran with it without putting in the effort to do some further research.
Another way to look at it is that they were trying to replicate the "look" of brigandine but without having to create the real thing.
"Gygax was well-studied" and "Gygax made a mistake based on misinterpreting evidence" are not mutually exclusive. No one is perfect (certainly not Gary Gygax).
"Ring Mail" was someone at TSR looking at medieval images of chain mail and thinking it was something else.
@@lynngreen7978 Ring mail was probably chain mail with bigger rings. So it is more like cheap mail most of the time.
The inventory icon and indeed the model for "studded leather" in Bauldur's Gate and other infinity engine games that used the same resources are definetly a brigandine.
“Greetings. I’m Shad.” Lol the armor already got to his head
Have you check out his vid on the golf club?
He seems like a fantasy dark lord.
SHADULA!!!
@@haillobster7154 you Mean hr isnt already?
@Sightless_Seeker ouch, i dont fall within any of those categories but by God am i sorry for em'
As it should! He looks like the captain of the guard come to instruct me in the special technique that will carry me through the whole of the game. LOL 😂
This is actually cool. I’ve heard that “studded leather” isn’t a real historical armor.
And I was trying to realistically explain the studs in armor in a particular fantasy fandom.
I actually had decided that they were either leather or metal plates riveted into place. Which apparently is armor people already did. Awesome!
This style appears to be much easier for field type repair than full plate as well. As a guy that fixes lots of different things, reshaping this in a tent at night, between battles would be a whole lot easier than trying to fix dents/cuts in a breastplate. Quick, sufficient, mobile armor for common troops.
This makes me understand why "studded leather armour" is so prevalent in fantasy. the idea of attaching the plates to fabric, but having the fabric on the outside rather than inside... makes sense. Some people probably saw illustrations of brigardine and didn't think it was fabric with plates on the underside, but rather riveted leather.
I have an interpretation that "studded leather" are created with thin layers of leather ribbed. The thin leather could not be used for other applications, so a armor made with "trash".
I don't get why you would put the fabric on the outside. Wouldn't that mess up the fabric after every hit/scrape? That seems like itd be a pain to repair so often.
@@luci_ix5181 As he explains in the video, the fabric helps keep it together and in place
@@luci_ix5181 It's so that the enemy can't see where the plates are. If the cloth was on the inside the enemy could easily stab inbetween the steel plates.
Volterslam speaking from an engineering standpoint, it’s more than that. When you stab into cloth it tends to bind the sword into place. When you stab metal plates, the sword deflects into the gaps. So if you put the “scales” on the outside your sword will automatically find the gaps, but with cloth on the outside, the cloth will hold it in place, so it won’t just automatically slide to a gap, with no effort from the user.
I petition Shad to wear this armor for every outdoor episode as a mandatory uniform. Whether he's doing archery or swordplay, it MUST be worn! Who's with me?!
HEAR! HEAR!
Seconded. The motion is carried. Please note in the record.
He'd do it without a petition
@@notaword1136 True, but he did say he would wear it most of the time. The petition is for it to be mandatory. 😁
Also when traveling and going to the market.
Compared to plate armor. That price is unbeatable. I’m very surprised you don’t see it more in games and movies then, because nearly everyone must have used it at some point.
Love the combination of scarlet and black. its beautiful
Yup
He's the Scarlet King.
@Zentmeister that's true.
@Zentmeister I'd actually say it's even closer to maroon, but that may be the overcast sky giving that impression.
It looks great, very handsome piece.
Me: wow shad! Sweet leather armor!
Shad: peace was never an option...
"Studded leather armor"
Why do I hear boss music?
Me: Shad, you were supposed to destroy studded leather, not wear it!
Shad: BRIGANDINE!
Me: Only Popular culture deals in absolutes!
Shad: BRIGANDINE!!!
Me: You were a Brother to me, Shadiversity!
Shad: BRRIIIGGAAANDDIINEEEE!!!!!!!
You Brigand!
-ine.
@@Aereto wait... are brigands called that because they normally wear brigandine?
pretty sure it isn't, but it would explain a lot...
@@blackthrone6976 O-Yoroi are the inspiration for the brigandine.
@@blackthrone6976 Brigand is a foot soldier and the root of brigandine. so brigandine armor is armor pertaining to brigands. according to the dictionary and a few other sources.
"BRIGANDINEEEE" will be the new "MACHICOLATIONS"
I just love your passion in this video.
Edit to add -
I suspect this type of armor is under represented because with modern manufacturing techniques it is more time consuming than some other armors, and maintaining cloth props is a lot more of am issue than a pure metal armor, or even leather.
Next up, he wears the castle.
"Most underappreciated historical armour, stone walls!"
And what should all good walls have...?
He'll have a little turret shaped hat on.😄
Don’t forget the machicolations.
@@TrueMentorGuidingMoonlight there it is!
I'm having Gravios flashbacks...
In the game by Warhorse Studios, Kingdom Come: Deliverance, brig is the best armor in the game imo. They represent it well.
Adam Martin was looking for this, the Milanese brigandine has the highest armour rating in the Game
Nah
The nuremburgian cuirass is the best
It’s has to get but it have 25 percent more armor
they DID work very historically accurate iirc. The even removed a type of chicken color after hearing from a historian/ biologist, that these chicken colors were existent much later :D
"It's a very popular and effective type of Medieval armour that is unfortunately overlooked in many adaptations of the Medieval period."
King Come: Deliverance: Allow me to introduce myself!
That's why kingdom come is one of my favorite game.
This video just introduced the perfect armor for a character I’m drawing and designing, THANK YOU SHAD!!
Did it had a helmet?
"You should never underestimate the impact fashion has in nearly every walk of life, especially armour"
Me in video games: it may not keep me alive very well but at least I'll die looking fly af
Fashion Souls...
@@Invisifly2 Black Iron Helm/ Sage's Big Hat, Milwood Knight Armour/ Dragon Scale armour, Milwood Knight Gauntlets, Harald Knight leggings. Fashion souls and really good overall defense
I do this in KCD.
Me in most games, people may laugh but I get to say I beat the game with trash equipment and looking fly af.
In the witcher 3 I wore only witcher gear because most of the armor you can find looks terrible.
"Your armour, sir... How stylish of you to dress in an antique. You'll start a trend if this catches on. My grandfather will be able to wear his armour in public again."
High class reference my friend. Absolutely classy as fuck.
"You have been judged, you have been measured, and you have been found wanting"
Such an underrated film
@@splatalie746 i have actually used this line as a bartender after seeing dudes getting shot down by a woman
@@splatalie746 Absolutely underrated. I believe it was based on one of Shakespeares Canterbury Tales with a modern media twist, hence the rock music. Knights were the rock stars of their day so it was fitting to use it.
Edit: after the fact I realized that yes, it Was Chaucer who wrote the afore mentioned tales, so I stand corrected.
@@rexpimplemyer3839 you're partially correct. The Canterbury Tales were written by Geoffrey Chaucer, who is Williams announcer in the movie and played by Paul Betany
35:14 “this armor have being passed down for generations on my family! My grand grand grand father used it on the siege of jerusalem and the angels themselves blessed this armor to make him one of the few to leave those lands alieve! Of course I will wear it, even if it is a few sizes bigger than me, it is blessed!”
this got me thinking: i want to see how practical it is to have a brigandine that uses scale-mail instead of small iron plates. forget historical accuracy, i want to see the practicality!
my idea of a scale-mail brigandine is that the scale-mail is made as flexible as possible.
Brigandine is my absolute favourite armour. I love how colourful it can be, the patterns made by the rivets, the inside looking like silver scales, the subtle bend to its shape. It just looks so pretty! And it's versatile enough to look good on any character archetype in a fictional setting.
Brigandine is best.
It adapts well to both the rogue/archer and warrior/knight archetype characters, the knight just has to wear a surcoat over it.
To be fair, Plate armour also can be really colourful, since, well... there was painted plate armour. Or you could wear a Jupon.
If I had to choose and was given the choice, I'd go with Gothic Plate.
@@undertakernumberone1 I suppose it depends on taste. Plate can look good but it never gives me the same giddy feeling that brigandine does
I feel that after Shad had his surgery operation, he keeps getting stronger and stronger.
Could it be, that all this time it was a limiter to Shad's true power?
This isn't even his final form!
Shad gone Bankai!
If he keeps training eventually he'll become One Punch Shad.
@@AlvoriaGPM Well, one strike Shad, or one shot Shad. I can't imagine him not using his weapons.
@@andyknightwarden9746 one "machicolatiooooons" shad.
Armorer here,
This may not be quite as obvious, but i asked the question of "Why are the metal plates of the brigandine on the inside instead of the outside? Wouldn't it be better to have the metal on the outside to ensure the fabric doesn't tear in combat?"
And the guys of the united league of armorers response was, the fabric on the outside made the metal gap less between the plates on the inside of the brigandine.
Examples of the plates being on the outside would be the kuyak and klivanion styles of armor.
And, like what you said Shad, the fabric on the outside also allows you to do any kind of extra fashion choices you want.
You also wouldn’t want any “weak spots” visible to your opponent(s). That’s just my logic though. 👍🏻
My 14th great grandfather always used to tell me, “Fashion first, safety second”. He also died with an arrow in his gut after he chose a linen shirt over a breastplate.
The Dawnguard armor from Skyrim seems to have some similarities to the brigandine (though nowhere close to one-to-one). Would you mind taking a look at that and maybe do a video on how useful an armor like that would really be?
It's inspired by coat of plates armor, a sort of precursor to brigandine. Looks fairly legit but doesn't have the greatest protective surface, and the space between the plates is much larger than that of brigandine.
@@boredgunner Unless I misunderstood Shad in the video, the Coat of Plates is actually a successor of the Brigandine, not a precursor.
@@sebastianb.3978 Coat of Plates refers to an earlier form of armor, largely 13th century but into the 14th. Brigandine became popular closer to the end of the medieval period.
Me: “Okay I need to save money for my masters degree” *Shad uploads a Brigandine review* me: “oh no...”
Same here. I went to the site from the description link, just the helmet that I want tallied up to over 1,000 euros.
Dont ever go in to debt, dont.
Every time I watch this guy I mean to just watch 2 mins to understand what the armor is and end up watching the whole thing as he is just so enthusiastic and good at explaining.
That’s a legit problem I get watching this channel “hmm cool historical video I’ll watch it for a couple min”....FOUR HOURS LATER WTF BRO!?!?!? (In a good way)
I hope Bearded Shad is here to stay. Because beards don't get enough love and plus Shad looks rather Kingly with the beard.
Great video! Just wanna add tho.. That a big advantage for the full plated armor comes from Knights usesage of lances. A wellmade breastplate could save your life if it hit by a lance, but a brigandine.... Not so much ^^
Therapist: "Level 20 Shad isn't real, he can't hurt you"
Level 20 Shad:
Eldritch knights with 20 Int with blacksmithing expertise making new armor
He drops the rare item “spectacles”.
He is such a chad
"It's time to talk about brigandine generally." Ah yes, the respected rank of brigandine generally.
That’s exactly where my mind went when I heard that lol
General Brigandine *salutes*
The plural of "Brigandine Generally" is "Brigandines Generally"
The past tense of "Brigandines Generally" is "Brigandinesed Generally"
Lol I thought the same thing XD
What if whole pop-culture studded leather look is basically someone misinterpreting what brigandine was supposed to be?
EDIT: and this comment above is prime example why one should watch the video first, before commenting! xD
Yup, I think it started with Erik Flynn Hollywood style movies. They wanted to show off the bodies of the swordsman for sex appeal so make the armour tighter and more flexible for their broad movements. Seems like tight leather is a good idea, just add rivets and voila.
Or Just great Minds think alike..)
Yeah, ever since I learned about brigandine from reading about historical warfare, I've always thought that the people making the studded leather armor in these movies and games thought that the rivets in brigandine were, like, studs instead, and they missed the part about how there are actual metal plates underneath all of that.
mobility vs armour is always the classic trade-off.
I definitely agree with it looking awesome. Might be a good option to make a modern version with a Kevlar weave and a nice titanium plating. could be cool to have. Thanks for the awesome video, used to watch a lot back in 2019, fell off a bit after that, but I am now gonna watch a lot more.
When those of us that are authors write our medieval books, interviewers shall say, "Such brilliant accuracy, can you tell us your sources? Did you attend a university?"
"Why, yes, I did," we shall say, "Shadiversity, in fact."
This s very accurate 😂
Shad Facts: Shad only wears armor for show, as his own skin is capable of stopping and deflecting any and all weapons or projectiles.
Shad is Chuck Norris' younger brother
no, didnt you listen? he is clearly wearing it for fashion purposes.
Good one, does not require a beastplate stretcher
Nice
Good, I'm getting too fat for my own armour
😆
😂😂😂😂 that meme