With regards to unit scale, the size that you use scales automatically. The four unit sizes are small (30 peasants per unit), normal (60 peasants per unit), large (120 peasants per unit), and huge (240 peasants per unit). No matter which unit size you are using, one unit of peasants per 1000 population will provide the maximum public order. So for instance: If the city has 1,000 population: -Small: 30 soldiers (1 peasant unit) will give 80% garrison public order boost -Normal: 60 soldiers (1 peasant unit) will give 80% garrison public order boost -Large: 120 soldiers (1 peasant unit) will give 80% garrison public order boost -Huge: 240 soldiers (1 peasant unit) will give 80% garrison public order boost If the city has 12,000 population: -Small: 360 soldiers (12 peasant units) will give 80% garrison public order boost -Normal: 720 soldiers (12 peasant units) will give 80% garrison public order boost -Large: 1,440 soldiers (12 peasant units) will give 80% garrison public order boost -Huge: 2,880 soldiers (12 peasant units) will give 80% garrison public order boost I would also like to point out that these garrison sizes and their effects are consistent across all factions. All of the tests I conducted for this video were tested on the Roman Julii faction as seen in the video, a barbarian faction (Briton), and an advanced, non-roman faction (Macedon), and the numbers all work the same.
Hey, BM, do you think the ratio applies with hastati in the darthmod? The 1 to every 1000? I ask about as hastati instead as you can't recruit peasants in darthmod. Thanks!
The most cost-effective garrison troops are actually dogs, they have even cheaper upkeep per soldier than peasants. They need two turns and more money to recruit, however.
@@sauromatae9728 The public order bonus for garrisons depends on the total amount of soldiers (or dogs in this case), not on the amount of units or the unit size. Dogs are 192 at huge unit size with 50 upkeep, peasants are 240 with 100 upkeep which is more per peasant than per dog/handler. But as said, they need two turns to recruit, so you cannot simply recruit one unit and move on with the army on the spot - and speedy advancement of the armies is crucial for efficiency. Also, not every faction has them and it needs a large town with stables to have them, so it's not always an option. On the long term it's worth replacing peasants with dogs, however.
@@krischan67 192 gives less public order than 240. so it's not effeective in the big cities where all 19-20 slots are used. also, game only counts handlers, not dogs.
@@sauromatae9728 My point was about cost efficiency, not about the maximum amount of garrison soldiers possible. Besides, you don't need such a huge garrison. Reducing taxes or even monthly or daily games and/or races will be cheaper in most cases.
also like to point out that, by making the peasants in the city you plan to use them, it lowers the population. Reducing the population also reduces squalor penalty (which is more or less the game's term for 'unemployment', not 'filth' as it is commonly misconcieved), so this improves both public order AND population growth. So you get kinda a double bonus to public order. Atleast for awhile. Of course, once the population exceeds 20k, you'll still never be able to max it (as limited to 20spaces of units). Garrison bonus will continue to wither as population increases. At 28k~ pop, a full stack of peasants will only net about 65% bonus. Which works out to around -2% bonus per 1000 pop over 20k.
In BI, troop type does calculate differently. Depends on the city level. A fully upgraded city doesn't seem to care whether its garrisoned by 6 peasants or 6 regular infantry units. But a minor town does. Peasants do not contribute to the garrison as much.
Everything you said is true but I would like to add that in border towns or towns that may see some combat, a smaller force attack by enemy faction or some rebels that spawn like 3 or 4 unit ones, its better to have town watch, or archers and peltasts if stone walls, or maybe only the cheapest units without the poor morale debuff.
This hurts my brain that it works this way. So Town Watch are completely pointless then? I assumed they kept public order better because, ya know, literal town guards.
There really is no "right" strategy. One thing I love about Total War games is that you can basically approach the campaign in any way you like; there are no right or wrong people to attack. Making your own strategy to victory is a lot of the fun. My recommendation for your situation, though, is that you use the Greek peninsula that you already captured, since that is a very rich area, to be the economic backbone of your empire and continue to expand through the Roman factions. Fighting through Italy is a lot of fun since the cities are very close together and the Romans will have a bunch of large armies there waiting for you. From your current position, probably taking Rome and the Julii cities of Ariminum and Arretium would be a logical next step as well as expanding south into Sicily
BlueMatona yes that is the good think about total war but the “right strategy” the only one is not to go against those roman armies without some great fhalanx
@@juliovielma8703 Not actually. Greek provinces are the richest in the game, so using an army of assassins to remove family members and a diplomat to bribe remaining troops works great as well.
There are no right or wrong but usually i dont like destroying romans early as i get bored after few turns. Its like movie the main antagonist is defeated early it get dull. So i usually avoid italy. Send emissaries to bribe their soldier( no general) but only to weaken them. I keep them until the finale
So if it's worth amything, you should get a different intro..the one now is lackadaisical and unexciting..not being rude or hating infact I poverty the game and watch alot ur vids..but everytime I do I'm like..."why is this his intro"?
Oh shoot I totally meant to address this in the video. Thank you for reminding me. I'm going to post a separate comment right now about this and then pin it so it will be at the top of the comments section
You are the best total war youtuber. Hope people see your channel soon.. Hope this channel grow big. Please make short video. That is less than 3 minutes. Simulation war about unit vs unit. Just for the sake of this channel growth
This is actually going to allow me to get a huge new force of town watch, at least something to throw at those Greek spikes, while my hastati and ranged units massacre them from afar. :3 Thx!
Omg you’re teaching me so many internal mechanics in these videos! I’ve been playing itsince it came out in ‘04 & I was only 13. TH-cam almost didn’t even exist, and it sure didn’t have videos like this! You literally crushed all of my “knowledge” about garrisoning… I thought town watch was the best because well… they are supposed to watch the town! lol I’ve tested units better than town watch and I remember testing presents one time but for some reason I thought town watch was better. Probably in case of attack I guess. 1 peasant per 1k pop…. My god that’s a beautiful calculation! Thanks!!!
I was thinking of disbanding expensive upkeep troops who are garrisoning certain cities with cheap peasants. If the cities are far from the frontlines and arnt in risk of siege then why have expensive units garrisoning cities when they cost more to upkeep and pay.
That was pretty much my conclusion, peasant your safe towns, while keeping some sort of troops in dangerous towns (or even create specific troops just for defending that move between towns). By now I'm already near the end of my greek campaign full map clearing, but I'll keep that in mind for the other ones. It also seems it makes things easier for barbarian cities that need less than 10 peasants (and some periodic extermination for cleaning space. By then, population growth surpasses your unit production count if on normal unit size, like me)
One or two half decent units are useful to keep around even well away from the front just to keep the rebels that sprout constantly at bay. I've generally felt one unit of Tier 3 infantry and cavalry plus peasants in areas of significant population works well. In example one unit of equites and one of hastati plus peasants to get public order if playing pre-Marian Rome.
Dont disband in the city itself. Find some small town and do it. Disbanding will make them retire there so increase its population which make it harder to maintain
I don´t remember how much upkeep peasant have. 100? Wardogs are only 50 and are much better fighters. They cost more upfront but they will be cheaper in the long run
they are also the best defence force in the game. you can start a battle, unleash the dogs and let them attack until all dogs dead. then withdraw. it will be a draw and the siege will continue, but because you lost no handlers the unit lost no men but did damage to the defenders, just keep repeating until u kill the sieging army ^^. literally the free cheese
He gave a thorough explanation of different scenarios to explain the mechanics behind it. Sure he could of posted a 6 sec video taking out a hastati unit and putting a peasant unit and just pointing at public order, but that's without context and not helpful. Just like your comment.
With regards to unit scale, the size that you use scales automatically. The four unit sizes are small (30 peasants per unit), normal (60 peasants per unit), large (120 peasants per unit), and huge (240 peasants per unit). No matter which unit size you are using, one unit of peasants per 1000 population will provide the maximum public order. So for instance:
If the city has 1,000 population:
-Small: 30 soldiers (1 peasant unit) will give 80% garrison public order boost
-Normal: 60 soldiers (1 peasant unit) will give 80% garrison public order boost
-Large: 120 soldiers (1 peasant unit) will give 80% garrison public order boost
-Huge: 240 soldiers (1 peasant unit) will give 80% garrison public order boost
If the city has 12,000 population:
-Small: 360 soldiers (12 peasant units) will give 80% garrison public order boost
-Normal: 720 soldiers (12 peasant units) will give 80% garrison public order boost
-Large: 1,440 soldiers (12 peasant units) will give 80% garrison public order boost
-Huge: 2,880 soldiers (12 peasant units) will give 80% garrison public order boost
I would also like to point out that these garrison sizes and their effects are consistent across all factions. All of the tests I conducted for this video were tested on the Roman Julii faction as seen in the video, a barbarian faction (Briton), and an advanced, non-roman faction (Macedon), and the numbers all work the same.
Hey, BM, do you think the ratio applies with hastati in the darthmod? The 1 to every 1000? I ask about as hastati instead as you can't recruit peasants in darthmod. Thanks!
Nevermind, sorry! I wrote this too early haha you sort of answered my question in the video
I guess whatever the biggest size unit would be best for a garrison? Provided they don't cost a ton of money
@@daleprosser350 exactly. The best unit for garrison in RTW is peasants for any faction.
MachinegunnerMugZ that’s not what I asked, I was asking about darthmod because there are no pleasant in darthmod
The most cost-effective garrison troops are actually dogs, they have even cheaper upkeep per soldier than peasants. They need two turns and more money to recruit, however.
and they are actually good for fighting
but are they maximum unit suze though?
@@sauromatae9728 The public order bonus for garrisons depends on the total amount of soldiers (or dogs in this case), not on the amount of units or the unit size. Dogs are 192 at huge unit size with 50 upkeep, peasants are 240 with 100 upkeep which is more per peasant than per dog/handler. But as said, they need two turns to recruit, so you cannot simply recruit one unit and move on with the army on the spot - and speedy advancement of the armies is crucial for efficiency. Also, not every faction has them and it needs a large town with stables to have them, so it's not always an option. On the long term it's worth replacing peasants with dogs, however.
@@krischan67 192 gives less public order than 240. so it's not effeective in the big cities where all 19-20 slots are used. also, game only counts handlers, not dogs.
@@sauromatae9728 My point was about cost efficiency, not about the maximum amount of garrison soldiers possible.
Besides, you don't need such a huge garrison. Reducing taxes or even monthly or daily games and/or races will be cheaper in most cases.
also like to point out that, by making the peasants in the city you plan to use them, it lowers the population. Reducing the population also reduces squalor penalty (which is more or less the game's term for 'unemployment', not 'filth' as it is commonly misconcieved), so this improves both public order AND population growth. So you get kinda a double bonus to public order. Atleast for awhile.
Of course, once the population exceeds 20k, you'll still never be able to max it (as limited to 20spaces of units). Garrison bonus will continue to wither as population increases. At 28k~ pop, a full stack of peasants will only net about 65% bonus. Which works out to around -2% bonus per 1000 pop over 20k.
In BI, troop type does calculate differently.
Depends on the city level.
A fully upgraded city doesn't seem to care whether its garrisoned by 6 peasants or 6 regular infantry units.
But a minor town does. Peasants do not contribute to the garrison as much.
Are you sure ?
Right, in BI peasants only count for half its units. So six cards peasants is like garrison of 3 cards peasants only.
Come back to us, BlueMatona. 🥺 he’s been gone over a year and I’ve tried hunting him down but idk where
You are a legend man, only person where i can go for tips and tricks.
Wow... This is very helpful. I hope this also works in my Android version. Thanx man. Subscribed 👍
This was a very informative video.
BEST INTRO EVER!!!
Decades playing this... And now I get peasants is enough. Lolololol
Thank's for the info.
Great TW videos man!
Say wouldn't macadons phalanx get the same bonus?
Everything you said is true but I would like to add that in border towns or towns that may see some combat, a smaller force attack by enemy faction or some rebels that spawn like 3 or 4 unit ones, its better to have town watch, or archers and peltasts if stone walls, or maybe only the cheapest units without the poor morale debuff.
Just build a watchtower.
thank you!
Do you do Europa Barbarorum? If not could you?
Ty man i was looking for this
Hope it helped!
This hurts my brain that it works this way. So Town Watch are completely pointless then? I assumed they kept public order better because, ya know, literal town guards.
i can't get the game to run, it used to work on my old computer any advice would be appreciated.
If you use your old CD, take the CD key and put it in redeem CD key on Steam. You will get updated version for Win 10 on Steam + Barbarian Invasion
Can you give me some advice about Macedons ? I took Greece and I sailed to Thermon I wiped out Brutii and took Capua. Is it right strategy ?
There really is no "right" strategy. One thing I love about Total War games is that you can basically approach the campaign in any way you like; there are no right or wrong people to attack. Making your own strategy to victory is a lot of the fun. My recommendation for your situation, though, is that you use the Greek peninsula that you already captured, since that is a very rich area, to be the economic backbone of your empire and continue to expand through the Roman factions. Fighting through Italy is a lot of fun since the cities are very close together and the Romans will have a bunch of large armies there waiting for you. From your current position, probably taking Rome and the Julii cities of Ariminum and Arretium would be a logical next step as well as expanding south into Sicily
BlueMatona yes that is the good think about total war but the “right strategy” the only one is not to go against those roman armies without some great fhalanx
@@juliovielma8703 Not actually. Greek provinces are the richest in the game, so using an army of assassins to remove family members and a diplomat to bribe remaining troops works great as well.
There are no right or wrong but usually i dont like destroying romans early as i get bored after few turns. Its like movie the main antagonist is defeated early it get dull. So i usually avoid italy. Send emissaries to bribe their soldier( no general) but only to weaken them. I keep them until the finale
good job
Peasant units should of been named Plebs
So if it's worth amything, you should get a different intro..the one now is lackadaisical and unexciting..not being rude or hating infact I poverty the game and watch alot ur vids..but everytime I do I'm like..."why is this his intro"?
What kind of potato are you using to get lag in Rome total war.
Probably a CPU with 8 cores as RTW isn't optimized to run on more than one core.
They using ur brain mr HacaPotatoe
Nice vid. Now, what if you turn up the unit size scale? Does that then give more public order? Or what
Oh shoot I totally meant to address this in the video. Thank you for reminding me. I'm going to post a separate comment right now about this and then pin it so it will be at the top of the comments section
Thank you sir.
You are the best total war youtuber. Hope people see your channel soon..
Hope this channel grow big.
Please make short video. That is less than 3 minutes.
Simulation war about unit vs unit.
Just for the sake of this channel growth
Thanks man! I'll think about making some unit vs. unit videos
I hope this is what you were looking for! th-cam.com/video/rypgp0YI8Wg/w-d-xo.html
This is actually going to allow me to get a huge new force of town watch, at least something to throw at those Greek spikes, while my hastati and ranged units massacre them from afar. :3 Thx!
Yeah, I have a huge force of town watch as meat shield now.
Omg you’re teaching me so many internal mechanics in these videos! I’ve been playing itsince it came out in ‘04 & I was only 13. TH-cam almost didn’t even exist, and it sure didn’t have videos like this! You literally crushed all of my “knowledge” about garrisoning… I thought town watch was the best because well… they are supposed to watch the town! lol
I’ve tested units better than town watch and I remember testing presents one time but for some reason I thought town watch was better. Probably in case of attack I guess.
1 peasant per 1k pop…. My god that’s a beautiful calculation! Thanks!!!
Thanks man I needed this
over 4000 views and only 149 likes, criminal!
6:52 your ability to calculate that impresses me, & thanks for information
I was thinking of disbanding expensive upkeep troops who are garrisoning certain cities with cheap peasants. If the cities are far from the frontlines and arnt in risk of siege then why have expensive units garrisoning cities when they cost more to upkeep and pay.
*Attila the Hun wants to know your location*
That was pretty much my conclusion, peasant your safe towns, while keeping some sort of troops in dangerous towns (or even create specific troops just for defending that move between towns). By now I'm already near the end of my greek campaign full map clearing, but I'll keep that in mind for the other ones. It also seems it makes things easier for barbarian cities that need less than 10 peasants (and some periodic extermination for cleaning space. By then, population growth surpasses your unit production count if on normal unit size, like me)
One or two half decent units are useful to keep around even well away from the front just to keep the rebels that sprout constantly at bay. I've generally felt one unit of Tier 3 infantry and cavalry plus peasants in areas of significant population works well. In example one unit of equites and one of hastati plus peasants to get public order if playing pre-Marian Rome.
Dont disband in the city itself. Find some small town and do it. Disbanding will make them retire there so increase its population which make it harder to maintain
Try using only peasant to conquer the known world. 😂 You'll get a different trait and ancillary without cheat
super useful tyvm
I don´t remember how much upkeep peasant have. 100? Wardogs are only 50 and are much better fighters. They cost more upfront but they will be cheaper in the long run
they are also the best defence force in the game. you can start a battle, unleash the dogs and let them attack until all dogs dead. then withdraw. it will be a draw and the siege will continue, but because you lost no handlers the unit lost no men but did damage to the defenders, just keep repeating until u kill the sieging army ^^. literally the free cheese
Wardogs only has 24 men compare to peasants 120 men if i am not mistaken.
good job
Barbarian Invasion changed this by reducing the garrison bonus from peasants. Better to use cheap soldiers in BI than peasants.
I barely played BI years ago, didn't realize that. Helpful to know, town watch should really have the biggest public order boost in reality
@@BlueMatona I recall one of the later Total Wars (I think Napoleon) giving a public order bonus to the game's Town Watch equivalent.
I'm pretty sure this is the case as well, definitely a better mechanic with that modifier
Thanks g this was really helpful
Why no 720p option?
4min to say the larger number of troops improves public order
He gave a thorough explanation of different scenarios to explain the mechanics behind it. Sure he could of posted a 6 sec video taking out a hastati unit and putting a peasant unit and just pointing at public order, but that's without context and not helpful. Just like your comment.