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Once you get past the "I've been saying this for the last 15 years, give me credit" shtick, Lyle's podcasts are always a pleasure to listen to. Looking foward to this one.
@@naskrajuciszy It's just annoyingly repetitive if you're not used to it. But as I said, I very much enjoyed all of Lyle's podcasts on this channel so it's not really an issue. More of a quirk.
I tried both fixed volume vs adding volume (number of sets), they both work, volume is just another method for progression same as adding a rep or weight thats about it, nothing special about it tbh.
Brains and Gains that would be sweet. He is a wealth of knowledge. I think one reason I enjoy those three so much is they provide such skepticism to everything. Always questioning the validity of things using science and research. It forces me to question a lot of what I believe myself to be true
He reminds me of the first time I saw House M.D.: I thought "he's quirkyly awesome"🤘 and then you realize the other characters don't like him that much🤦🏾♀️. Maybe the world is a rough place for people who doesn't practice hypocrisy 😬🤷🏾♀️....
Brains and Gains I have been following yoyr podcast for about a year now. It has always been good but most of the time it was just one good podcast out of many. But recently you have started pumping out one super episode after the next inviting one super highly respected expert of the industry after the next. thats really impressive and a blessing for us listeners!
So the point of adding sets, reps and/or intensity is to progressively overload lol and the timeframe in which the progressive overload occurs is individual which is based on the lifters experience, strength and capacity to recover.
I feel one thing needs to be corrected : the mev / mrv concept, the general stress adaption curve was long conceived before Mike israetel was born. Lyle likes to get personal sometimes is my impression.
Do you know how Lyle goes about his periodization? For example, during an 8 or 12 week block, is he manipulating volume and intensity? Just based on this interview alone, without context, it sounds like he only does double progression type programming, regardless of the length of the cycle.
@@boxerfencer looks like a very standard routine. He doesn't seem to change volume much or at all. Just starts sub maximal and pushes towards maximal. Sounds like MEV to MRV concept, except achieved through weight increases alone with volume static. Inverse of RP style. 🤔
@@AberrantArt it may look run of the mill now, but when it was written, it wasnt standard in structure. The load progression also contrasted with the fluff and pump protocols predominant in bodybuilding of earlier decades, although you have "always" found that in strength orientated programs. If memory serves, the program also makes use of DUP, way before Dr. Zoudos coined it, and before Layne Norton made it famous. There's a ton of training articles on Lyle's site and an old pdf ebook floating around, which fans compiled from his old forum. There's more than one way of doing it.
@@boxerfencer in the 2 versions I saw it was ran block style without DUP but im sure you could adapt it quite easily. Either way, thanks for the reply. 👍
I would have liked to heard a different answer to the genetics question. I mean Eric Helms is probably above average and I don't dissagree with that but the topic is kind of interesting for us who think we could have gotten much further if we didn´t do all the typical mistakes. Not eating enough, program hopping, not really pushing enough (the right way) to progress. I just don´t think that ”by definition, because he has gotten where he is, he has got above average genetics” is a good answer. How many people even choose to take that path and dedicate their life to training? Maybe it´s just not an interesting topic for Lyle and he has no interest to speculate :) Why I´m interested. I´m 42 years old, 6.2 and have been training since I was a teenager. Gained like 10 kg in the beginning but after that not much has happend (ups and downs and some progress over time of course). Started gaining and progressing again a couple of years ago after finding channels like 3dmj. The pyramids were really helpful. Next up is increasing volume and that will probably give some results. Still haven´t done too much with that part. Anyway, great content in your channel! If someone smart really gets in to this topic in the future I would like to hear some more speculation about it :) (not necessarily about Eric)
dangoran I agree that the answer of “by definition he’s above average” is not necessarily so. Someone could have average genetics and still excel if the group of people competing is limited (like bodybuilding or any niche endeavor). One could, for example, have average ability to play an instrument but still become a “top 1% player in the world” because most people never play the instrument. I do think Eric has somewhat above average genetics for bodybuilding though
Just saw SSD Abel´s recent video about genetics after watching this and I just want to say, nevermind. I just reacted to Lyle's answer but it´s not really that interesting and Abel sums it up pretty good :)
@@BrainsandGainsPodcast Agree. It's not easy to judge how big someone is that you have never seen in person though, and their size looks different in different pictures and videos. People I see at the gym who I would guess are Erics size are probably a lot smaller.
yeah man, like why would most people even wanted to lean down that much to compete? it must be horrible... "why isnt there much more people like eric then" well because there is so many things that people do wrong in training and diet...he choose bodybuilding and powerlifting to be his shit, he is a scientint in this field, he does it for decades...like who can cay that? i would say he has good genetics in terms of his muscle shapes, he just looks very aesthetic...but idk if i would say so for size
can you please invite someone who can explain how to body recomp? bret contreas advocates it and says its great for most people. thank you for your great podcasts
Elijah Clifford there’s no secret to it, just a difference of opinion in how possible it is to do...most don’t believe it’s effectively possible or an efficient goal when beyond the intermediate stage
Good episode, couple of great points, but overall one of the worst misrepresentation I've ever seen. Example 1) MRV+ overtraining, "overtraining sneaks up on you", yes that's why you plan de-loads proactively not always reactively in those cases. A question worth asking could be; is Lyle open to the possibility of adding sets for progress being the best or will he deny it regarding the evidence and argument presented?
I could certainly ask him that. The problem is we know there is a limit to how many sets one can do, and we don’t have any good evidence that continually cycling through volumes is helpful
@@BrainsandGainsPodcast I agree, with what you say, 100%. However, what Lyle calls passive-aggressiveness is actually correct articulation of how any approach to training should be critiqued. Lyle's critique was characterized by too bombastic speech and strawman arguments. Whether the approach Mike and RP propose is correct or not can be discussed, as of now, it cannot be rejected, ESPECIALLY not with this degree of certainty.
I think the bodybuilders know exactly *what* works (for hypertrophy). It's up to science to explain *why* it works, if you care about that sort of thing. Also - When's Lyle going to address the Barbalho controversy? Squats vs hip thrusts or bust!
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Will always tune in for Lyle's rambling, ranting style of imparting so much good, reality based info.
Joe Herrera Glad to have you listening Joe 👍
38:55 - double progression
Once you get past the "I've been saying this for the last 15 years, give me credit" shtick, Lyle's podcasts are always a pleasure to listen to. Looking foward to this one.
Huffman_Tree Yea that one is a common theme lol glad you’re enjoying them
If he was actually saying these things for the past 15 years, then what is the problem?
@@naskrajuciszy It's just annoyingly repetitive if you're not used to it. But as I said, I very much enjoyed all of Lyle's podcasts on this channel so it's not really an issue. More of a quirk.
Maybe if people would give Lyle credit instead of just stealing his work then he wouldn’t need to bring it up.
@@JamesSmithTexas Saying something is not the same as evidence. Ideas are cheap
killing it with the guests !! I could listen to Lyle 24/7 ! A walking talking 30 years in the trenches sports science freak !
Thanks Dean :)
I tried both fixed volume vs adding volume (number of sets), they both work, volume is just another method for progression same as adding a rep or weight thats about it, nothing special about it tbh.
iFalcon 93 agreed
49:39 - fun story
three guys that I genuinely learn something from every time they come on a podcast: Lyle, Dr. Mike, and Menno. Always throwing out science bombs
Jan Overmeer I need to get Menno on at some point
Brains and Gains that would be sweet. He is a wealth of knowledge. I think one reason I enjoy those three so much is they provide such skepticism to everything. Always questioning the validity of things using science and research. It forces me to question a lot of what I believe myself to be true
Another great podcast 👍 well done buddy!
Salvatore Marziano Thanks man!
23:25 - The key
bingeing all of these old lyle ones loloL
In lyle I trust the guy is always right another great episode
Thanks Jon :)
He reminds me of the first time I saw House M.D.: I thought "he's quirkyly awesome"🤘 and then you realize the other characters don't like him that much🤦🏾♀️. Maybe the world is a rough place for people who doesn't practice hypocrisy 😬🤷🏾♀️....
WTF is going on with this podcast? Do you wanna conquer the fitness scene with all these crazy episodes recently or what is that supposed to be? 😂😍
Daniel Meyer you’re so complimentary I’m going to start thinking you’re a bot lmao thanks
Brains and Gains I have been following yoyr podcast for about a year now. It has always been good but most of the time it was just one good podcast out of many. But recently you have started pumping out one super episode after the next inviting one super highly respected expert of the industry after the next. thats really impressive and a blessing for us listeners!
So the point of adding sets, reps and/or intensity is to progressively overload lol and the timeframe in which the progressive overload occurs is individual which is based on the lifters experience, strength and capacity to recover.
I feel one thing needs to be corrected : the mev / mrv concept, the general stress adaption curve was long conceived before Mike israetel was born. Lyle likes to get personal sometimes is my impression.
is it supposed to say Part 1? or did I miss Part 1? Either way, stoked to watch this, keep it up, man.
Mark Euse Yea good eye, I need to fix that
I feel another another Mike V Lyle debate coming!!!.... We need this rematch in our lives... Get it sorted Dave 👊🏻👊🏻😀
Danny boy lol! I feel like Mike wouldn’t be very down for that
Brains and Gains you don’t ask you don’t get my friend haha!
I wonder if you could progress too by slowing a set down, more TUT.?
69Camaro Generally not advisable
When I see Lyle's name I prepare for long podcast 😂💪🏽💪🏽
Abin that’s a good call lol
Do you know how Lyle goes about his periodization? For example, during an 8 or 12 week block, is he manipulating volume and intensity?
Just based on this interview alone, without context, it sounds like he only does double progression type programming, regardless of the length of the cycle.
Google his GBR
@@boxerfencer looks like a very standard routine. He doesn't seem to change volume much or at all. Just starts sub maximal and pushes towards maximal. Sounds like MEV to MRV concept, except achieved through weight increases alone with volume static. Inverse of RP style. 🤔
@@AberrantArt it may look run of the mill now, but when it was written, it wasnt standard in structure. The load progression also contrasted with the fluff and pump protocols predominant in bodybuilding of earlier decades, although you have "always" found that in strength orientated programs. If memory serves, the program also makes use of DUP, way before Dr. Zoudos coined it, and before Layne Norton made it famous.
There's a ton of training articles on Lyle's site and an old pdf ebook floating around, which fans compiled from his old forum. There's more than one way of doing it.
@@boxerfencer in the 2 versions I saw it was ran block style without DUP but im sure you could adapt it quite easily. Either way, thanks for the reply. 👍
AberrantArt I second most of what boxerfencer said
Lyle needs to write a training book seriously
dave oalumbo He certainly has enough training articles to compile into a book
@@BrainsandGainsPodcast please ask him the next time he is a guest
SQUAAAA 🔥
Mike wouldn’t be happy to hear the intro. “You must be the number one requested guest, Lyle.” 😂
Wezz haha well I’m sure Mike is the most requested guest on Revive Stronger
How the heck did I miss this???
Christopher Wu well now you’ve got a fun hour or two ahead of you 😎
I would have liked to heard a different answer to the genetics question. I mean Eric Helms is probably above average and I don't dissagree with that but the topic is kind of interesting for us who think we could have gotten much further if we didn´t do all the typical mistakes. Not eating enough, program hopping, not really pushing enough (the right way) to progress.
I just don´t think that ”by definition, because he has gotten where he is, he has got above average genetics” is a good answer. How many people even choose to take that path and dedicate their life to training? Maybe it´s just not an interesting topic for Lyle and he has no interest to speculate :)
Why I´m interested. I´m 42 years old, 6.2 and have been training since I was a teenager. Gained like 10 kg in the beginning but after that not much has happend (ups and downs and some progress over time of course). Started gaining and progressing again a couple of years ago after finding channels like 3dmj. The pyramids were really helpful.
Next up is increasing volume and that will probably give some results. Still haven´t done too much with that part.
Anyway, great content in your channel! If someone smart really gets in to this topic in the future I would like to hear some more speculation about it :) (not necessarily about Eric)
dangoran I agree that the answer of “by definition he’s above average” is not necessarily so. Someone could have average genetics and still excel if the group of people competing is limited (like bodybuilding or any niche endeavor). One could, for example, have average ability to play an instrument but still become a “top 1% player in the world” because most people never play the instrument.
I do think Eric has somewhat above average genetics for bodybuilding though
Just saw SSD Abel´s recent video about genetics after watching this and I just want to say, nevermind. I just reacted to Lyle's answer but it´s not really that interesting and Abel sums it up pretty good :)
@@BrainsandGainsPodcast Agree. It's not easy to judge how big someone is that you have never seen in person though, and their size looks different in different pictures and videos. People I see at the gym who I would guess are Erics size are probably a lot smaller.
yeah man, like why would most people even wanted to lean down that much to compete? it must be horrible...
"why isnt there much more people like eric then" well because there is so many things that people do wrong in training and diet...he choose bodybuilding and powerlifting to be his shit, he is a scientint in this field, he does it for decades...like who can cay that?
i would say he has good genetics in terms of his muscle shapes, he just looks very aesthetic...but idk if i would say so for size
PLEASE do Martin and Lyle together to discuss Rapid Fat Loss...
The Dude It’s in the works :)
Brains and Gains thanks! My life has fallen apart, this is all I have to look forward too lol
Nice. 👍
69Camaro 💪
can you please invite someone who can explain how to body recomp? bret contreas advocates it and says its great for most people. thank you for your great podcasts
Elijah Clifford there’s no secret to it, just a difference of opinion in how possible it is to do...most don’t believe it’s effectively possible or an efficient goal when beyond the intermediate stage
Good episode, couple of great points, but overall one of the worst misrepresentation I've ever seen. Example 1) MRV+ overtraining, "overtraining sneaks up on you", yes that's why you plan de-loads proactively not always reactively in those cases. A question worth asking could be; is Lyle open to the possibility of adding sets for progress being the best or will he deny it regarding the evidence and argument presented?
I could certainly ask him that. The problem is we know there is a limit to how many sets one can do, and we don’t have any good evidence that continually cycling through volumes is helpful
@@BrainsandGainsPodcast I agree, with what you say, 100%. However, what Lyle calls passive-aggressiveness is actually correct articulation of how any approach to training should be critiqued. Lyle's critique was characterized by too bombastic speech and strawman arguments. Whether the approach Mike and RP propose is correct or not can be discussed, as of now, it cannot be rejected, ESPECIALLY not with this degree of certainty.
Hail Lyle!
The Dude 😅
💪💪❤️❤️‼️
Gamer Christina 💪
I think the bodybuilders know exactly *what* works (for hypertrophy). It's up to science to explain *why* it works, if you care about that sort of thing.
Also - When's Lyle going to address the Barbalho controversy? Squats vs hip thrusts or bust!
Ryan Maxwelll In part 2 :)