People talk about wanting Marduk back until they're dealing with Marduk with heat. Imagine actually getting into real guess situations for VT after heat burst or heat smash. Or if they fucked around and gaving him an untechable tackle out of strings like Drag has
@lestonclark2398 As someone who, granted, is not exactly great at tekken but did play Marduk til the end of 7. Marduk was daylight robbery the character. And Marduk with the heat system would be straight up Armed robbery.
@@AnthonyYang002 how would he rob u without dmg??all im saying is without dmg he can be alright marduk loses his turn alot and in this game he's barely gonna be able to play how everyone is so aggressive...
@lestonclark2398 Why would they tone down his damage to that point? Considering the explosive damage is his entire identity? The Bears and, to a lesser extent, Jack usually also lost their turns a lot, but in Tekken 8, they have tools to also be more oppressive to fit the identity of 8. If anything, you could expect Marduk to do the same if not more damage and have newer more oppressive moves in a similar realm of power to his db2 or d4
@AnthonyYang002 marduks biggest issue is the tackle and dmg they can literally make his dmg similar to jack and nerf the tackle... take away his perfect tackle and only give him that in heat lets be real spending heat on tackle isnt broken steve has a 50 dmg throw in heat and at the wall the 1 option leads to a wall splat then combo and thats steve, zafina was OP and look at her now steve was disgusting as well look at him now they literally can balance him and we can argue zafina was better than marduk they can balance him...Leroy was broken look at him game developers can make a character not strong if they choose.
I think bears should have high damage, they are bears. I don't like this general homogenization of combo damage among a lot of the cast and high damage bad neutral makes a character unique. About the chip as well, I think some characters SHOULD be better at utilizing the mechanic itself, similar to how certain characters have varying levels of drive rushes in SF6. If anything I would say T8's biggest problem for me is character homogenization in general. If the dev team utilized heat to accentuate a defensive characters defense, or a tricky characters gimmicks, the game would be cooler. Edit: I don't play Kuma.
Most common sense comment right here, people are just basically saying , as I feel, Bears aren't legit and assuming people like Rangchu, Nino or SourPiggy are overrated because they play Kuma... it's crazy😅. If people pretend to know how to play this game, then Kuma/Panda shouldn't be a big issue over the community. But some of them are empathizing their chars as if they have no chance against most of the roster , when it's just negated by excessive flowcharting all among the ranks and awful char community elitism...
@Walied678 heihachi needs resources and pretty difficult execution to achieve similar damage to a bear that does the simplest combos known to man and still achieves almost pewgf levels of damage.
They will nerf that bear combo eventually but even then he has decent alternate wall combos that do like 2 percent less damage so his damage will be a problem forever it seems
Ahhhh kk my bad. Tbf, they need to tone down the tracking of tons of moves for all characters, especially strings. I'm a Lili main myself and Heihachi's ff+2 tracks so much that I literally was behind him, after SSL, and got hit. Didn't even press a button to expand my hurtbox
K-wiss if I may ask....how do you still find enjoyment in making T8 content or playing in general i love tekken it's one of my favorite games but I jus genuinely don't like the state of the game and find myself genuinely struggling to make content or even jus play and keep my tekken king rank
5:53 - 5:56 Hate to be "that guy", but that was an actual homing move. I know you know, so please don't ban me. If Armor King came back I'm almost positive he'd also have an unbreakable throw that's a Heat Engager. Why King has that is beyond me. Kuni feels like she just fits the cinematic style of Tekken 8. Oh god, it's the Gigas guy. I really hope I'm wrong, but I have a feeling the unscaled bear ass is going to be one of those things that flies under the radar for years. 21:41 - 21:54 "The damage is hard to access? Do you need to have your eyes checked?" - K-Wiss
Another reason bear damage is not okay is cause they can still hit you with the butt attack mid stage. There's literally no where they can't do 60% to you.
But they have no movement, like do you even can play the game without movement 😅? Many moves of his kit can Sidestepped right and while they seem on hitboxes, like even the flowchart ss electric works on the because of the hitboxes. Bears are animals, damages are justified, you can't play like it's nothing just because it's supposed to be tekken😅. Dude is been trash until Tekken 6 but somehow, you always want them down in the tierlist, I bet you had a heart attack and still manage to survive because they have an i15 electric 😅. Regular electric is 11-13 frames😅. Y'all look so childish to complain about their dmg when Drag, King, Jin, Jun and many others can do the same approximate dmgs. Y'all regular has also more chance to put bear players to the the wall if they're fucking up...Bears still got the same issue dealing with high pressure which movement was supposed to be applied when in danger, cannot since the bigger hitbox prevent to get a effective sidestep without being launched, only sidewalk works decently with Bears.
@@TheProswagonist The person who replied to you didnt say that you said bears had no weaknesses. They pointed out the negative aspects of playing bears like bad movement and bad lows to show why the damage the bears have is at least somewhat justified. Also what exactly did they downplay?
Honest?! She has so many bullshit moves. She can be -5 and just jump over your entire offense, or go underneath it instead. Not to mention her poke sidestep pressure along with an amazing counterhit game. Shes like a mini nina and xaioyu combined. There's nothing honest about Lili
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The hardest part for me when fighting bears is keeping a solid mental
bear players will stare you dead in the eyes after hitting you with unscaled butt damage mid screen and say "ggs"
🙃
People talk about wanting Marduk back until they're dealing with Marduk with heat.
Imagine actually getting into real guess situations for VT after heat burst or heat smash.
Or if they fucked around and gaving him an untechable tackle out of strings like Drag has
King is already doing u that the only thing made marduk insane is his damage if u nerfed his dmg he would be ok...
@lestonclark2398
As someone who, granted, is not exactly great at tekken but did play Marduk til the end of 7. Marduk was daylight robbery the character. And Marduk with the heat system would be straight up Armed robbery.
@@AnthonyYang002 how would he rob u without dmg??all im saying is without dmg he can be alright marduk loses his turn alot and in this game he's barely gonna be able to play how everyone is so aggressive...
@lestonclark2398
Why would they tone down his damage to that point? Considering the explosive damage is his entire identity?
The Bears and, to a lesser extent, Jack usually also lost their turns a lot, but in Tekken 8, they have tools to also be more oppressive to fit the identity of 8.
If anything, you could expect Marduk to do the same if not more damage and have newer more oppressive moves in a similar realm of power to his db2 or d4
@AnthonyYang002 marduks biggest issue is the tackle and dmg they can literally make his dmg similar to jack and nerf the tackle... take away his perfect tackle and only give him that in heat lets be real spending heat on tackle isnt broken steve has a 50 dmg throw in heat and at the wall the 1 option leads to a wall splat then combo and thats steve, zafina was OP and look at her now steve was disgusting as well look at him now they literally can balance him and we can argue zafina was better than marduk they can balance him...Leroy was broken look at him game developers can make a character not strong if they choose.
a hworang main breathing air is insane
@@LegendT1 a Hwoarang main living on earth is unforgivable
Obligatory "coming from a hwoarang main is funny'" comment
8:03 lol i remember i was watching that match on Dewglider in online lobby, his a really good Lili player ngl
A Hwoarang main being a Hwoarang main is a Hwoarang main
As a Hwoarang main I agree
I am tired of K-wiss downplaying th facts that he plays hwoarang
@@toas6693 I'm tired of annoying whining crybabies who can't get past the fact that k wiss plays hwoarang
A Hwoarang main saying the word "insane" is insane
A hwo hater commenting on a hwo mains video minutes after uploading is insane
It's not a k wiss video without this comment
@@Unsaid_Grapes23 Sorry I don't speak Hwoaranganese
@@Unsaid_Grapes23please stop using amharic for this kind of stuff
That's his favorite word you can't do that
11:40 "So we're adding Kunimitsu but we made her a stance character with a 50/50 mixup"
the bears are really slept on in T8
omg you voiced your frustrations as a hwoarang main? to reddit with you lol
I think bears should have high damage, they are bears. I don't like this general homogenization of combo damage among a lot of the cast and high damage bad neutral makes a character unique. About the chip as well, I think some characters SHOULD be better at utilizing the mechanic itself, similar to how certain characters have varying levels of drive rushes in SF6. If anything I would say T8's biggest problem for me is character homogenization in general. If the dev team utilized heat to accentuate a defensive characters defense, or a tricky characters gimmicks, the game would be cooler.
Edit: I don't play Kuma.
Most common sense comment right here, people are just basically saying , as I feel, Bears aren't legit and assuming people like Rangchu, Nino or SourPiggy are overrated because they play Kuma... it's crazy😅. If people pretend to know how to play this game, then Kuma/Panda shouldn't be a big issue over the community. But some of them are empathizing their chars as if they have no chance against most of the roster , when it's just negated by excessive flowcharting all among the ranks and awful char community elitism...
Funny how Heihachi needs 3 rounds to activate his ult to have combo damage similar to his pet lmao
heihachi is getting 100+ when you get the wall without warriors instinct huh
Pretty sure they have similar damage, heihachi might be even higher
@Walied678 heihachi needs resources and pretty difficult execution to achieve similar damage to a bear that does the simplest combos known to man and still achieves almost pewgf levels of damage.
Im all for kunimitsu returning and yoshi being circumsized
i know damn well you, a hwoarang main, ain't talking
I know damn well you, a green rank, ain't talking
I enjoyed the bear fight. 🐻 those mix ups were insane.
every time lm loosing against bears l feel like lm 🤡
As a Leroy main I can tell you we can output some crazy damage if we get you to the wall, and if we’re in heat too…see you next round
They will nerf that bear combo eventually but even then he has decent alternate wall combos that do like 2 percent less damage so his damage will be a problem forever it seems
5:54 Ofc it'll track. It's homing lmao
I was referring to the cartwheel
Ahhhh kk my bad. Tbf, they need to tone down the tracking of tons of moves for all characters, especially strings. I'm a Lili main myself and Heihachi's ff+2 tracks so much that I literally was behind him, after SSL, and got hit. Didn't even press a button to expand my hurtbox
Can’t wait for the video where you ran into nothing by Yoshi and Shaheen
Panda also has that Combo damage but is still probably the worst character in the game. That is crazy.
K-wiss if I may ask....how do you still find enjoyment in making T8 content or playing in general i love tekken it's one of my favorite games but I jus genuinely don't like the state of the game and find myself genuinely struggling to make content or even jus play and keep my tekken king rank
5:53 - 5:56 Hate to be "that guy", but that was an actual homing move. I know you know, so please don't ban me.
If Armor King came back I'm almost positive he'd also have an unbreakable throw that's a Heat Engager. Why King has that is beyond me. Kuni feels like she just fits the cinematic style of Tekken 8.
Oh god, it's the Gigas guy. I really hope I'm wrong, but I have a feeling the unscaled bear ass is going to be one of those things that flies under the radar for years.
21:41 - 21:54 "The damage is hard to access? Do you need to have your eyes checked?" - K-Wiss
get a life bro
Can I ask what the song track on the azucena stage is?
"Fist Festival" from Tekken 6
@@paoracampbell3127 Thank you!
LMAO that thumbnail image, the characters and your facial expression is exactly how we all feel about this bloody game AHAHAHA 🤣🤣🤣
9:14 u pressed so ur hitbox expanded
It doesn’t usually track 😅
6:25 Can someone tell me the song name please?
"Françoise's Bassline" from Tekken Revolution
High level Tekken is frame trap central. 😵💫
I think heihachi can get that 18:48 kinda damage to, but I believe only with triple perfect electric. Crazy what bear booty can do lol.
nerf da botty and buff a different part of their kit so no ones happy lol
Another reason bear damage is not okay is cause they can still hit you with the butt attack mid stage. There's literally no where they can't do 60% to you.
But they have no movement, like do you even can play the game without movement 😅? Many moves of his kit can Sidestepped right and while they seem on hitboxes, like even the flowchart ss electric works on the because of the hitboxes. Bears are animals, damages are justified, you can't play like it's nothing just because it's supposed to be tekken😅. Dude is been trash until Tekken 6 but somehow, you always want them down in the tierlist, I bet you had a heart attack and still manage to survive because they have an i15 electric 😅. Regular electric is 11-13 frames😅. Y'all look so childish to complain about their dmg when Drag, King, Jin, Jun and many others can do the same approximate dmgs. Y'all regular has also more chance to put bear players to the the wall if they're fucking up...Bears still got the same issue dealing with high pressure which movement was supposed to be applied when in danger, cannot since the bigger hitbox prevent to get a effective sidestep without being launched, only sidewalk works decently with Bears.
Imagine getting a long-range low poke that is -1 on hit and -15 on block😂
@@フランス人の熊さんBro did I say they have no weaknesses? No one asked for the downplaying paragraph.
@@TheProswagonist justification>downplay
@@TheProswagonist The person who replied to you didnt say that you said bears had no weaknesses. They pointed out the negative aspects of playing bears like bad movement and bad lows to show why the damage the bears have is at least somewhat justified.
Also what exactly did they downplay?
3:20
Wait that doesn’t work on female characters? No wonder I kept falling that
Can you play Lili instead of whining about her. She is the most honest character right now
Can you stop leaving dumbass comments on my channel?
Lili would sidestep this comment at -9 bro
fucking honest lmao
"Most honest" get outta here bro
Honest?! She has so many bullshit moves. She can be -5 and just jump over your entire offense, or go underneath it instead. Not to mention her poke sidestep pressure along with an amazing counterhit game.
Shes like a mini nina and xaioyu combined. There's nothing honest about Lili
Delusional lili main
we’re reaching Jin levels of downplay with these bears in twitch chat
the bears really are like -13+ at all times lol, if you can get through heat, youll beat the bears easy
Love the comments for this video
Bears deserve it
Didn't Kuma had that booty ender in t7 for a while before it got removed?
ME BOMBO
use the translator on this
lili is annoying
okk.