Historian Reacts - WW2 - Western Front, 1944-1945. Part 2 by Eastory
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good map of the Netherlands, in the last 70 years we acquired a lot land from the sea, the sea borders seem really accurate for 1944 as far as I know them.
@Robert Kaevur Actualy we are.
mostly around Indonesia and smaller scale projects due to budget restrains
i love the dutch, they took a lesson by seeing the germans trying to expand west and decided to declare war on the ocean
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There is a great line in Band of Brothers regarding the 101st encirclement. Winter's character, upon being told that they will become surrounded, says "We're paratroopers, we're supposed to be surrounded." Its my favourite line in that whole series, because even though they arrived on trucks instead of parachutes, they were the perfect guys to be in that situation.
"They've got us surrounded again. Poor bastards, now we get to shoot them in all directions."
I love the posturing....how they insist Patton didn't come to the rescue because they didn't need rescuing.
I HIGHLY recommend watching Eastory’s Eastern front videos. It’s absolutely fascinating.
He never did 😔
@@seanthesheep3871I don’t understand why he didn’t but it’s very disappointing.
One thing that’s often missed with Bastogne and the Battle of the Bulge is that the 101st was not the only division there. The 10th Armored was with them and they played a big role in holding back German armor.
This is an often missed point. If you check the order of battle for the defence of Bastogne there were other units there. Whilst the overall command was under the 101st, I believe about half of the defenders were actually 101st AB paratroopers.
And they had a couple anti tank units in the area as well. And I believe they also had a couple artillery pieces there.
Eastory's Estonian Accent makes it WAY better. love your reaction vids btw
Even in the Western front the captured Germans were not certain to escape harsh treatment, specially if they were captured by the French who were eager for revenge for what had been done to their people like Soviets were.
Yeah, but the Germans knew very well that their treatment of the French had been nothing compared to the savagery they'd committed in Belarus and Ukraine. Going to French imprisonment wouldn't be a vacation, but the prospect of being captured by the Soviets seemed like either a very quick death where they catch you, or a slow death on the march to Siberia.
@@Yora21 Get capture by French is really risky anyway. Many France soldiers,resistance militia and even just angry mob will kill on sight or imprision(in some location even worst than Soviet camp) if not for over all Allied told France to hold on it it can get even worse.
@@Yora21 a lot of them starved while in captivity in France
@@DOSFS its either take the chances with the french or almost 100% death in siberia
@@Yora21 The movie "Come and See" shows that savagery committed by the Nazis. Hard movie to watch. I only saw it once and that was enough.
Would love to see the Eastern front of this series now!
16:07 "The last thing you want is a guerilla war in the mountains for years."
If only we remembered that in the early 2000s.
One thing about Bavaria: while it's true that it was the birthplace of the Nazis, it wasn't the region with the most support for them. The Bavarian police prevented Hitler's putch and arrested him and the Nazis got around 40% of the vote which is far less than in other regions (although not the lowest).
There was even a really cool plan that would make for an interesting what if scenario. It involved making Rupprecht von Wittelsbach, the former crown prince of Bavaria, the emergency head of government and declaring Bavarian Independence in case the Nazis win the election. This plan was even supported by the SPD (the social democrats) who were usually very much against the monarchy. Sadly when the time came, both the Bavarian government and Rupprecht hesitated and the opportunity was lost.
Gotta love Eastory's videos! I would love to see you do more reactions to him
This channel is sparking an interest in history I never knew I had. You’re great at inputting but not over complicating the original video. Keep doing what you’re doing 👍🏼 merry xmas
Thank you and merry Christmas!
@@VloggingThroughHistory can you react to extra credits rasputin?
Eastern front next if possible, would be great. 1941-45
You should really react to The Eastern Front all parts :D 1941-1945 it's amazing!
One of my favorite reactions so far. Love the maps along with your knowledge and input. Do more of these
Great Video Chris, Love the Channel and keep up the good work!
After seeing your top 10 and honor mentions, glad you suggested to Eastory. Definitely in my top 10, the dates/unit/division/army ect, visuals are easy to read and understand.
They germans in the month of april wisely collapsed to the western allies after fighting so hard before. Wisely as they knew the soviets were coming and also their situation was hopeless.
Did I ever say that history is awesome but u are just the icing on the cake lol
This video was pretty intense. My grandfather fought under General Patton in the Battle of the Bulge...he was one of just 4 men from his entire platoon who came back alive. Thank you for the upload!
Please react to eastern front series by eastory too.
I believe the decision to let the Soviets have Berlin was already out of consideration for the post-war period and anticipation of the Cold War. Berlin was important because it was the headquarters for all the German top-level administration. But the location of Berlin itself has no strategic value. It sits smack in the middle of the central European plain. If you want to secure Western Europe against a Soviet Invasion, you'd focus your line of defense around the central German hills to the southwest of Berlin and towards Belgium where you have defensive terrain. Which is exactly what NATO did. (Which now makes me wonder what the plans for Denmark, the Netherlands, and eastern Ausria would have been in case of an invasion.)
Berlin as a city has great ideological value, but the position of Berlin has no strategic value.
Also in the Yalta agreement the areas of occupation for after the war had been agreed and the allies didn't see the need to occupy areas at the loss of many troops at the end of the war that they would have to hand over to the Russians after the war ended.
Thanks to this channel and channels like this I've started study history in university alongside of my work. Best decesion i've made
I truly appreciate this channel and the amazing commentary/ context that Chris provides. As I was watching the movie Gettysburg yesterday I wondered if that is a path he could go down at some point? Reaction/ commentary series on scenes from war/historical films such as Gettysburg, Lincoln, Gods & Generals, etc.
15:14 - It had been agreed between the big 3 at the Yalta Conference in February '45 that Eastern Germany would fall into the Soviet Occupation Zone. Anything they took in the region they had already agreed to be part of the soviet zone.
I recommend his series on the eastern front as well.
Oh yeah been waiting for this haha
The decision by the Big 3 was to give the USSR eastern Germany including Berlin. The Allied military decided there was no point in loosing men to gain territory that would only be given to USSR; therefore, no major drive to Berlin. The capture of Berlin cost the Soviets over 100000 men.
Been sick too. Feeling better now. Can't wait to get back to work.
Good Video
Would love to see some Historia Civillis next because i've been really getting into his videos especially about caeser
So I actually know a little more about why the western Allie’s didn’t push to Berlin. At some point before the East and west entered Germany the British met with Stalin (the US wasn’t present at this meeting or one of the meetings) and essentially decided who was gonna get what after the war. This may have been partially because of how Stalin was fighting Germany, instead of pushing straight to Germany they essentially took over all the countries Germany had taken over/absorbed first. This later became the foundation of the eastern block.
It was decided that half of Germany would be under Soviet control with Berlin being far into the soviet area. What was hidden is that Churchill and Stalin divided some of Europe up so they would have influence while rebuilding. I believe the soviets wanted 90% of control in Romania (with 10% British) and British in turn wanted 90% of control in Greece. Churchill called the agreement “the naughty document” and they didn’t tell the US bc it was believed the US a would be against this really imperialist policy. This was also later important when communist/anti communist uprisings happened in these areas and were put down based on the power with the most control. Britain put down a communist overthrow in Greece and the soviets stayed out of it because of this agreement.
I don't think the document you are referring to had much affect on the push to Berlin, it covered the countries in the Balkans. As a side note it is correct that the agreement was initially hidden from the US because apparently the US were against such high handed approaches of carving up nations by the great powers. Of course when it benefited US interests Roosevelt himself did the same thing holding a secret meeting with Stalin at Yalta without the British present effectively carving out parts of North East China (a US ally) to fall under Soviet influence after the war. The Chinese were informed of this later and told to suck it up.
i would love to see a reaction or an alternate history theory crafting video on what the world would look like if the allies captured Berlin first and the Germans retreated to the Alps. that would make for some very interesting conversation! another great reaction VTH, thank you!
@Trade Bum Simmons sorry bout that. i meant the western allies like the USA UK and so on. good catch!
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Could you look at the island hopping in the Pacific. I don't know as much of the Pacific front in 43-44. Obviously stuff like Guadalcanal and others in 42 get wide coverage and then stuff like iwo jima and Okinawa get coverage from 45 but besides Peleliu I don't know much about 1944
13:30 the desperation of the Germans included launching V2 rockets at the bridges, one of their last uses in the war.
can u react the Mannerhiem recording
I see his videos with all the divisions marked and i wondered how accurate they are.... I tried to follow the 101st, one of the groups where i knew where i knew roughly their areas of operation and it seemed legit... So the amount of research to get all of them correctly located must be insane.
This hits different after having just watched Band of Brothers, particularly "Bastogne"
Where is the hurgden Forrest? I’ve heard horror stories about that but I’m not seeing some static place on the map.
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A very good video the maps are very helpful. My father was in an artillery unit attached to the 43rd infantry division on the outskirts of Bastone during the battle of the bulge. The two things that he and others who I've known who fought there were how gallantly and brave the 101st and and others on the front lines fought and how disappointed they were when they were required to wait for the Russians to take Berlin when they felt that they could have accomplished it much sooner.
Hey! Love your videos btw. Can you react to History of Japan by Bill Wurtz?
Eisenhower would suggest to FDR to let the Soviets take Berlin, the reason was mutual between both, they were sympathetic to the horrors and losses that the U.S.S.R have sustained and believe that it is their rightful victory, FDR would agree and issue the order, many Generals were furious and protested, especially Patton, who was ready to fight agasint the Soviets if it meant to take Berlin.
Nevertheless the decision was made and they left the Soviets take it, at the end of the day, Eisenhower also rushed the capture of Paris just for Charles, despite it not being a major strategic goal, the allies knew that morale and will of fighting is just as equal of strategic value than infrastructure or terrain.
you really should look into the story of Leo Major, Canadian commando who freed an entire dutch city by himself in 1944.
Do you plan on also doing their video about the eastern front?
With the fall of Aachen, the western allies were already in Germany. Aachen was the first German city to fall. The crossing of the Rhine, however, would lead to the heart of Germany.
Please please react to Kings and General's Thomas Cochrane video. A Scotch seaman that fought bravely in the Napoleonic Wars, and helped to liberate Chile, Peru and Brazil from their colonial rulers. A truly interesting character and an amazing story, for real.
You should watch TIKs stalingrad series. Probably not a reaction though as they are all around an hour long
at 3:56 the german line resembles john madden maybe trump too
useally not a fan of "reaction" but since you ad your own knowledge i love it.
The reason the allies didn't rush for Berlin is because it was already established by the "Big 3" (FDR, Churchill and Stalin) that Berlin would be within the Soviet sphere of influence. So Eisenhower so no reason to spend large amounts of allied lives working to take a city that was going to have to then be handed over to the USSR along with t he rest of the territory the Western allies took in what would become East Germany.
This is one of many reasons. While the political aspect played a part the allied high command was extremely worried of a drawn out guerilla war centered around the alps and other parts of southern Germany. While this turned out to be a goose-chase the combination of keeping a broad front where all allied forces push in tandem (to avoid political fallout from any particular country's force being prioritized) and to race towards southern parts of germany to ensure no continued resistance that would act as a thorn in regards to allied-soviet but also inter-allied relations. The 44-45 allied campaign was marked by political and military working together due to its plural make-up of different countries, where the ending stages of the war would be no different.
The decision not to push to Berlin was twofold.
One, manpower was dwindling and fanatical asymmetric warfare was racking up a ridiculously unsustainable casualty rate. The Brits basically had no more men to spare and the Americans had all but depleted it's properly trained infantry. (Not to mention the eviscerated Air Corps of both sides.) Two, if the Commies were happy to bleed their way to Berlin, the West way more than happy to watch from the Elbe.
Ultimately, I believe the West had just burnt/gutted itself out, and Japan still loomed large in the distance. Marshall had even wrote Ike telling him there would be no more significant reinforcements bound for Europe, and to make do with what he had, that the homefront was getting sick of stomaching so many dead Americans. The book "Partners in Command" covers that bit.
I changed my degree to history once I realized I watch these videos in my free time
you're lucky i was about to riot for part 2 lol. great work.
"However, General Omar Bradley warned that capturing a city [berlin] located in a region that the Soviets had already received by the Yalta Conference might cost 100,000 casualties."
You should definitely watch Eastory's Eastern Front videos as well.
Do eastern front as well sometime
Armchair historian can give you a good detail video of why the allies in the west didn't went to berlin even tho they have a chance. Another good videos he has is also life of a POW german in prisoners camp and many other really interesting videos
I watched eastory dunkirk video the other day
Patton awarded a medal to one of his Chaplains, after he said a prayer for better weather for his advance north, and the weather cleared up.
I would recommend checking out the Eastern Front videos from Eastory he goes into great detail about this side of the war and it's incredible to watch if you're interested in watching more of his content
I’m curious about your take on Oliver stones untold history of United States as well as creditability as a historian.
I have to wonder if any thought of preemptively surrendering to the Western allies was dismissed because of what had happened at Versailles. “Nein, if we surrender they’ll just do to us again what they did before. We have absolutely nothing to lose by fighting to the last soldier.” Backing someone into a corner where they have nothing to gain by surrendering guarantees a bloodbath.
The idea the Nazis had was that, if they made the Western Allies suffer enough on the Western battlefield, they'd make peace with them and potentially help the Nazis with fighting the Soviets. On one side were the Soviets, who were their ideological and racial nemesis and on the other were the United States and the United Kingdom, who they didn't want to fight unless they had to, and also distrusted the Soviets and (in their mind) could be persuaded to fight them. At least that's what I've heard.
Can you do a reaction to the aftermath of WW2 including the Nuremburg trial?
Awesome now do the eastern front next
1945 for Germany is basically like being down 20 to nothing in the 9th inning lol
The D-day invasion was to stop the Soviets, not beat the Germans. The Russian had already pushed the Germans back to their original borders by 44', against the best Wermacht troops.
I've always wondered, what happened to the Germans who surrendered in Russia?
Most of them never made it home. Of the few who did, it was often several years before they were released.
@@VloggingThroughHistory that's kind of what I expected but that's still brutal
Western numbers Around 3 million German POW. Between 350 000-1million died . Sov numbers-2 388 443 POW 2 031 743 returned 356 700 died.
@@VloggingThroughHistory My great grandfather from my mother's side was captured in Stalingrad and was one of the very last waves of prisoners to be released. My grandpa on my father's side also served on the Eastern front and... stole a set of civilian clothes from a Polish farmer and ran back home and hid on his family farm until it was all over.
Probably the smarter choice.
Opening up dams is a common thing to do in the Netherlands 😂. We just not have natural obstacles outside the rivers. We call small hills like the Grebbeberg mountains 😂.
Literally no dislikes yet let's go!
Do history bombs next it is really good! Ww2
I heard "Nuts!" was not the reply to the Germans, but what the general said to his aide when he was woken up and told about the demand to surrender.
At this stage, it is really impressive that Germany held on as long as they did. Imagine the weight of three superpowers bearing down on 3 nations, and with total allied air superiority
@Trade Bum Simmons incredible what you can do with a few tanks, a kr98, pervitin, and a go get 'em attitude.
That's bad they were delaying the inevitable and spilling their own blood
@@stargazer1405 There was no alternative. Germany's position in the 30's was basically die from cultural atrophy, and communism or fight. After Germany started the war it was either win, or be carved up like '45-'46, because the allies, and Russia were never going to let them get away with what they did.
@@fdlman93092 dude, if Germany surrendered not only would less people be killed but it would some influence and independence like in WW1. They were trying to erase Jewish culture in Germany history and communism was more or less under control in Germany with the Weimar Republic.
@@stargazer1405 If I understand your response correctly (missing a few words here and there). For a nation with a history as proud, and as powerful as Germany and Prussia, the Weimar Republic was a totally unacceptable existence. This is pretty evident by the ideology they embraced, to escape the cultural erosion. Truly tragic, could have been prevented.
can you please react to the estonian independence war
If only Steiner did a counter attack.
He was unfortunately on the other fro- “gets yelled at by hitler”
I hope you feel better soon but your voice just sounds more historical.
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By the time the Allies reached Berlin neither the military nor the civilians in the south of Germany had any interest in staging a last stand for Hitler.
Please watch Deadliest Battle In History: Stalingrad from the Armchair Historian
I think given the fact the the UK, US and France lost suck relatively small numbers, compared to the Germans or the soviets. If the US UK and France didn't stop when they met the soviets but caught Stalin by surprise by pushing forward into Berlin then further into eastern Europe and Russia itself. I think they could've destroyed the USSR and avoided a cold war
I think by that time, the continent was exhausted from war. To go again as it were after defeating the Axis powers would’ve caused mutiny. Interesting thought though
Sure, because we all know that taking on the Russians, a modern mechanized army and air force in '45, 46 would have been a piece of cake. (lol)
@@pacscanadadatabaseservices3711 didnt say it would be a price of cake I said the soviets lost about 20 million troops the us lost 400 thousand so did the UK. The soviets wouldn't have to man power to keep going for years after 1945
@@jamescameron4735 Absolutely wrong. The Soviet Union had virtually unlimited manpower, and a weapons industry second only to the US. And you seem to forget that at the fall of Berlin, Japan had yet to be defeated and that is what the Allies turned to at that point.
@@pacscanadadatabaseservices3711 Japan is a good point, but the soviets didn't have unlimited man power they already lost about 40 million people soldiers and civilians. The population was only 190 million pre war. The soviets also got a out 50% of their ammo 50% if their artillery shells, and tons and tons of food and planes without American or English support I think they run out of supplies
Hello sir, I would like for you to check out Ben Shapiro's US President Tier List. It's around 17-18 mins long, and I think he has some pretty interesting tier list and I think you might find yourself agreeing and disagreeing, but even so I would still like to hear your thoughts on the tier list.
As always great video, and great on giving more context on the historical points mentioned. Praying for your speedy recovery sir!
I always thought the context of the nuts reply was 'are they offering to surrender to us?' 'No, us to them' 'nuts'.
have you heard of a channel called voice of the past? I leave my recommendation here. 😄
Where there’s mush you push
it's a shame that Eastory, with all his detail, didn't cover the Canadian liberation of the Netherlands. I understand his focus was more on the eastern front, but that's a very important moment in WWII for Canada that would've been cool to see with these maps.
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Americans might have had the manpower advantage but their ability to eat half of Germany in a month and a half or so is pretty impressive.
Americans? Try ALLIES.
Did you know Germany will always lose a world war except ww3
Many of the 101st bocked at the perception, as they put it, that Pattons' 3rd Army saved them. In reality, I believe they could have held until the cows came home by pure tenacity. What do you think?
Once they received the supplies and air support (after the weather cleared), yeah I think they could have held on.
Anyone here know about horrible histories?
The Holocaust, the Nazi genocide of gentile pols, holodomor, Cambodian genocide, circassian genocide, Armenian genocide, Rwandan genocide, Greek genocide, etc
@@Plab1402 I mean the Kids TV show,
And you forgot the Israeli occupation of Palestinian btw
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