The bottomline is there is no evidence to suggest that they asked to take her lies to the grave. Think about it, who is going to be responsible if she took her own life if they have piled her with pressure to address at parliament asap when she was already in an unstable & vulnerable state? Extending sympathy & giving her the space & time was humane & the right thing to do even though they were upset with her for damaging the party’s reputation despite being told to substantiate her claim by PS before making her speech. Singapore is not going to collapse if her lies were not addressed immediately.
That's The Thing! No evidence of any discussions whether to lie or Not to lie. Emails, sms, whatsapp, nothing. According to 3 of them they didn't even verbally Speak to each other about this for 3 months. Including immediately after RK confessed and left Pritam's home while they stayed back. How can it be Possible?
@@ipanmei3380 Speak about what? They already knew she lied. They told her to seek professional help. They told her to take responsibility for her action and discuss with her parents. What more is there to speak about?
Where was SL from 8th August to 4th Oct ? Didn't she met Raeesah on 8th Oct and said she was emotionally fragile? She didn't meet her at all. Confidently left it to Pritam. What kind of Chairman is this?
Leadership is not only about doing what's right. It is also about compassion. The WP leadership did the right thing allowing Ms Khan the space and time to first settle her personal problems before proceeding further. They did not want Ms Khan to end up like another Teh Cheang Wan. If this case were as straightforward like the adulterous PAP MP case, I'm sure the WP leadership would have made the WP MP concerned resign much sooner. Think about that.
@@edwinsim147 we need ignore the cosinh guy hahaha . He's commenting on everyone's posts like a typical IB or PAPbiased person, so no use to explain to him cos he's dead set on talking down on WP members generally (as observed on other WP questioning vids too)
If RK lied about her case in parliament, what's stopping her from lying to say that PS told her to take her lies to the grave? This RK is a serial liar
I personally think Sylvia handle her session much better than the other two senior leadership. Forget about Faisal, his session was purely painful, not just on his own but made worst by Desmond for the first part but still painful after Edwin took over. Pritam’s session was pretty clear that Edwin and Pritam were not going easy on each other. There was a lot more grace for Sylvia’s session, even though she was paraphrasing before answering to the questions, she gave very clear answers ultimately. I see her in a different light after this session. 👍🏻
Why should E Tong question S Lim about Faisal when the issue is about S Khan? E Tong kept asking hypothetical questions. E Tong failed miserably to get more details about S Khan's lie.
RK lied that is a fact, then she said she was advised to do so... in other words, RK's lie is WP's lie, and E Tong is just trying to get a clearer picture of the happenings in between. Facts are, WP leaders knew about the lie long ago, but did not do anything about it until damages are done, RK lie came out, now they are doing damage control which is normal, but the fact is, if WP leaders are as transparent as they claim to be, the public would have known about it long ago.
The other extreme would be to throw her under the bus immediately. All 3 testified that she broke down everytime when the subject arose and told her to seek professional help. I wouldn't want to be the one to trigger her into an emotional outbreak raising the issue again. I have dealt with people suffering from depression and emotional stress and I can tell you it's not a place you want to be. The chain of events was no longer controlled by the WP. It was in the hands of the PAP. Indranee could have asked for her resignation and be done with it. But she had to make a wayang of it and called for a COP, which was her perogative. Even if the WP had admitted the lie earlier, we can be sure the PAP would still continue with the COP knowing how vindictive they are. Pritam knew whatever he did or did not do, the wayang would have to play itself out. And that is why we are where we are today.
@@jpphua602in ur own words : 1) “All 3 testified that she broke down everytime when the subject arose and told her to seek professional help” My understanding was, from the recorded COP evidences given by all 4 of them (3 senior leaders & RK herself), her sexual assault issue was only brought up once in PS home on 8 August, not “everytime” as u suggested. This subject including the lie issue was hush hush till 3 October when PS alone visited her at her home. Bear in mind there was a sufficient 2 month’s space from Aug to Oct. Nothing was done to prepare her for the 4th October parliament sitting except for PS’s very vague statement to RK on 3 Oct to “take ownership & responsibility”. PS also did not border to ask her if her parents been informed of her sexual assault as it is, in his recorded evidence, “Pivotal” for her to come clean in public. Practically she was left all alone “To take ownership & responsibilty”. Imagine her anxieties without clear directions & needed backing & support from her 3 senior leaders as to how she can address her lie & come clean on 4th October. No surprise to me that she fumbled on 4 Oct. Where is the compassion shown to her by her leaders? 2) in ur own words: ‘The chain of events was no longer controlled by the WP. It was in the hands of the PAP”. My take is this was a very sweepy statement mayb only u can explain 3) in ur own words: “Indranee could have asked for her resignation and be done with it”. My question to u, do u really think so? My understanding is any abuse of MP’s privileges in parliament has to be dealt with by the COP. This is not a simple case, damage was done & Indranee could not exercise her own discretion. PS also knew this, in fact he also told RK about facing the COP for the mess she created
@@snowdrop77 Have you ever dealt with a person suffering from a mental condition? I have. Everytime they breakdown you are at a loss as to what to do next. Only the professionals can help. And this was the leadership's advice as well as telling her to talk to her parents. Pressing her further to tell the truth before seeking professional help would only lead to greater stress that may lead to suicide. That was why they gave her the time and space to come to terms with her condition before they could proceed. Knowing that she spoke to her parents is an indication to the leadership that she had come to terms with her condition and was no more in a state of denial. That is compassion. She's not a child. The leadership is not her babysitter. She only needed to be told once what's the correct thing to do. What was there to prepare her for when they knew she was going lie again? Indranee could have called for the COP at anytime. She could have called for a closed hearing instead of an open one. She could have not subject Ms Khan to further stress by putting her under the spotlight with cameras rolling. She could have called for a medical examiner's report before commencing the COP. That would have saved everybody a lot of time instead of letting Edwin Tong ramble on with his "if we assume she did not lie" line of misleading questions. She lied. She confessed. She resigned. What more does Indranee and the PAP want? This is nothing but a witch hunt. Don't be stupid like Edwin Tong.
@@jpphua602 so u are saying u r an expert as to how the COP shd conduct its proceedings? What is done is totally unnecessary? If that is so, let it be so then. But I must say in my opinion, after watching the whole, full & complete COP proceedings, Edwin Tong was indeed intelligent, superb & impressive in his handling of this COP. That's the reason why I follow this case very closely & learned many things from it too
damn she sounds like my form teacher being disappointed in me trying to defend me but also asking me to face the music in front of the discipline master. Sorry cher I lied
I think her state (RK) is vital for people to fully understand. Maybe only then will it be clear why there was a delay. Rest of it sounds like gossip session paid by our tax money.
Sylvia is calm. Rk elected in July 2020...maternity leave from Jan to April.. shingles in September... need a lot of handholding n drawing MP's of $16K per month n cannot be responsible for an unnecessary lie n does not know the implications of lying in Parliament.
SL said it was the "judgment" at that time. Without denial or trying to appear smart nor defensive. Finally, someone owns up to the lapse of judgment. But man was she brilliant. You could see how she instantly commanded that mutual respect from ET.
@@edwinsim147 About knowing from 7 or 8 Aug. About keeping this secret till the CEC appointed the DP making the 3 of them the only judges. About disclosing that they knew the lie only on 2nd Dec. 4 solid months keeping this secret
She has great family background and a 28 yo mature adult with husband and children and certain can take full responsibilities on her own. Raeesah is the daughter of Farid Khan, the president of the Singapore Malay Chamber of Commerce and Industry, who intended to run in the 2017 Singaporean presidential election but had his Certificate of Eligibility rejected.[41][42] Her father is of Pakistani descent, while her mother is of Arab descent. She has a younger brother, Yusuf Khan.[43] Raeesah married Mahadhir Caffoor on 14 July 2018. Together, they have a son and daughter.[
@@adamkhan7102 calm the full caps, although I dont have an opinion on Raeesah Kahn as of yet, some rape victims will not tell their parents about it, so its a bad assumption to make.
In the end , she as Party chairman didn't do anything from 8th Aug till Oct 4. No communication with RK and no communication with the other 2, Pritam and FM. What a party 🤣
@@edwinsim147 Hope the therapist isn’t interrogated like a female Pritam Singh. At least, she needs to be as diligent as him to tackle Mr Edwin Tong’s questions.
@@letsgoletsgoletsgoletsgoletsgoThe COP has shown that even the Leader of the Opposition has no privilege or prejudice over others. So, if the therapist really thinks she can exercise any privilege there, she will end up committing a criminal offence.
@@rslin4888 err no they did say that notes were taken during the DP. And I dont think they dare to lie about something so blatant with so much detail esp when raeesah could easily call them out since she was present in DP too
@@Jejdjejbfjf The 3 leaders had been asked to submit to COP all relevant documents of internal correspondence relating to the case but failed and refused to do so. What makes us think this voluntary piece which she was so eager to submit was made at the DP. Just common sense asking. The leaders had shown a lot of lack of transparency insofar
Let review. Who started this exercise? Indranee from the PAP. Not the WP. What was the "crime"? Ms Khan told a false anecdote about a couple of police officers mishandling ONE sexual assault case. Did it affect the public's trust in the police force? No. Because everyone knows the police is not infallible and they do mishandle cases. How does Pritam and the WP benefit from her telling and continuing with the lie? Nothing, knowing the truth will eventually be found out Was Pritam asked by the PAP in parliament if Ms Khan lied? No. And they could have asked that anytime but decided to drag out the case to paint the WP in a bad light. The WP leadership has testified under oath in this COP. This is the discovery phase. The judgement will come later. So why are people judging prematurely? It does not benefit the WP to drag this case. They, more than the PAP would want the issue to be settled as soon as possible. All the PAP had to do was ask Pritam if she lied in parliament much earlier and he would have no choice but to tell the truth and terminate the service of Ms Khan. It only shows the PAP's intention is not to reveal the truth but put the WP in a bad light as long as they could. Don't believe everything Edwin Tong says. It makes you stupid.
Can you believe her that there are no conversations between her and RK from 8 Aug till 4th Oct? And nothing between her and PS or Faizal for the same period. Haha,they left everything to Pritam .Well orchestrated
The Chairman conveniently left the lie to be corrected to Pritam and was not following up in the matter whether by talking to Raeesah or her partners. No messages or texts or emails. When asked did she notify that to Pritam that she was leaving it to him to handle, her reply was she assumed he knew. Is this a reasonable course of action by the Chairman of the post powerful opposition party in Singapore? She said Raeesah's disclosing this to her parents was the key for her to correct the lie Yet she had never asked her whether her parents had already been informed or did she check Pritam or Faizal on the progress of this issue. It's not a sensible reply but knowing that she is doing well in such things wouldn't surprise anyone I guess
The questions sought from Ms Loh Pei Ting by the members of the ruling party itself is a new low. The harassment and the obvious intent to persecute the other members of the opposition party doesn't bode well for our local politics when the main issue should have been Ms. RK.
No, RK might have committed an offence. Her severity of offence is less if she was abetted by her leaders. The time line of events seems to suggest this
the email sent is already sufficient nudging. good move by PS. no need to keep checking in with PS. PS has a subtle and appropriate way handling something so fragile and sensitive.
On Sylvia's testimony this enquiry should be discontinued immediately Mental Health & Mental Well being can break anyone . Ms.Khan needs help. Put the matter is to rest . Enough is Enough.
Pritam Singh once boast at a rally that the thread of transparency runs through the WP. Not! It's irrelevant for the public to know when the leadership knew of Raeesah lies? What other information, in the history of WP, has been kept from the public because they are 'irrelevant' ? Rhetoric is beautiful until it unravels
Pritam was not truthful. So are SL and FM. They hid the secret for 4 months. None of the CEC members knew but still they voted to convict. Very scary organisation
This is why the ministers are paid so highly....very few people can handle the pressure and know how to calculative give information in the midst of a argument.
In order to commit a crime there must be a motive to benefit oneself. How does encouraging Ms khan to lie benefit the WP? So, to all the "smart" people out there... what's the motive?
“Love your enemies! Pray for those who persecute you! In that way, you will be acting as true children of your Father in heaven. For he gives his sunlight to both the evil and the good, and he sends rain on the just and the unjust alike.”
Pappies had lost the COP due to ET and no facts finding but making assumption and force their interpretation and preception against all other witness. Only in this session, some real facts were prepared and submitted.
What should happen next is obvious. Subject Ms Khan to a psychological examination. Recall her back to substantiate her "take the matter to the grave" statement as that's disputed by all 3 of the WP leadership. Anything less will cast the PAP in a bad light.
I have met Mr PS in person, I truly agree he is a good MP who serves the people with his heart. However, as much as I support WP and PS, i felt this matter has been mishandled by the WP leaders to some degree. None of the 3 leaders took the initiative to contact RK to ask about her well being at any point in time before 4th Oct. 2021 (so much about being compassionate). Assuming they were all too busy to think about this matter for a good 2 months, why couldn't and didn't PS ask RK clearly and in a more direct manner on the 3rd oct if she has spoken to her parents and if she is mentally prepared and ready to clarify the matter truthfully in Parliament if the matter is raised. They should have known that the matter is very serious and has to be dealt with very urgently... Having said that , I don't believe that PS has given the order to RK whether directly or indirectly to hide the truth... for whatever reason this matter has come to such a stage, only they know.
The other extreme would be to throw her under the bus immediately. All 3 testified that she broke down everytime when the subject arose and told her to seek professional help. I wouldn't want to be the one to trigger her into an emotional outbreak raising the issue again. I have dealt with people suffering from depression and emotional stress and I can tell you it's not a place you want to be. The chain of events was no longer controlled by the WP. It was in the hands of the PAP. Indranee could have asked for her resignation and be done with it. But she had to make a wayang of it and called for a COP, which was her perogative. Even if the WP had admitted the lie earlier, we can be sure the PAP would still continue with the COP knowing how vindictive they are. Pritam knew whatever he did or did not do, the wayang would have to play itself out. And that is why we are where we are today.
@@jpphua602 I fully understand that.. Imo, the 3 WP leaders have led their guard down... they should have known someone will be ready to pounce on the slightest mistake WP make which in this case is not just about RK repeated lie...but why the matter was not dealt with or at the very least discussed among the 3 of them on the right thing to do in any manner for such a long time... which give them the reason to suspect what they are suspecting now.
@@agentstory3693 The horses were already out of the stable when Ms Khan lied. It was all damage control after that. I cannot see what the leader could have done in those 3 months to control the damage other than to drag her to seek professional help. The only thing they could do was wait for PAP's next move. Holding a press conference to admit would not assuage the PAP's thirst for their vindictiveness.
@@agentstory3693 Just for discussion sake, what do you think the leadership could have done differently? I cannot think of any that would have resulted in a better outcome.
In my opinion, I believe the reason why they didn’t put a timeline to it, is because she is a sexual assault survivor. They treated her as a human being before treating her as a MP. They wanted her to talk to her family first and correct the record herself. I don’t think she needs handholding, she is an adult.
I suggest that everyone watch the session with Ms Khan again in light of the WP leadership's testimonies. Edwin Tong was acting as a defence lawyer for Ms Khan trying very hard leading Ms Khan to implicate the WP leadership with his questioning. The WP leadership had nothing to do with Ms Khan concocting the lie nor encouraged her to continue with the lie. It's time PAP leadership dissociate itself from Edwin Tong in order to preserve its good name. A separate COP should be conducted to investigate the conduct of Edwin Tong now and bar him from this COP immediately. PAP cannot allow the narcissism of one person bring the whole party down.
Microsoft word has these automated line numbering, makes me wonder why the person who types the transcripts our did not use this function to help both parties zoom in on what they were referring to.
Yes. Leading this rookie politician to double down on lie, since her character is already tarnished. Better her than Party. RK was wrong to start the lie, but boy she had no idea what was in store. You don't mess with WP. And that's why when YSL was told to shut up and run road, he complied.
@@drb312 oh man now I really believe she was encouraged/nudged to double down, since in their eyes she was already damaged goods. It will be her credibility vs theirs. Easy. Plus no records of ANY discussion between 3 senior leaders on WhatsApp, email regarding this matter...How can it be possible, unless it was planned this way... Super Scary lor.... Only thing they didn't expect was she'll msg Pritam and ask "What shld I do now" in parliament when she double down...super super scary
@@ipanmei3380 LOL whats scary is this thread. Yall just freely throwing accusations like as if theres clear evidence they really did wrong by her and then keep saying this is scary. Bro, wait for the actual facts first la before saying wa scary scary. Legit, whats scary is people my generation and later continue growing up in an elitist society and continuously chasing to conform to social engineered system standards created by PAP while any other openness to opposition is being crushed. Thats scary because I want the best for the country I grow up in while yall just biasedly say its a cult blahblah.
@@astctrigo oh man. it is scarier when ppl think a change in political party will make society less elitist. Even communist states have elites la. the people ourselves also need to take some responsibility. who say we are not open to opposition? But who caused RK fiasco in WP other than themselves? stop crying victim. enough already la
Looks like a never ending circus. Time to put this to an end and move on. Everyone can pretty much guess what the outcome is going to be. Doubt if there will be any surprises there.
SL was almost caught even in the opening question on whether she knew it on 7th or 8th. She is smoother in this trade of covering up than Pritam probably. And she did some opera with many faces of emotions. Well trained. Dennis played his part in the opera .And it was not convincing at all that the notes were taken at the DP. Hence Edwin asked for the handwritten original.The audacity to lie is alarming
Why are you assuming she is covering up when there is no evidence to suggest that 3 of them told RK to continue with her narrative? There was nothing to cover up.
When you are accosted with a sneaky lawyer of higher authority trying to change your testimony in 10 different ways you fight till the death to maintain your original testimony. This is the kind of leader Singapore deserves. A leader that will not be bullied.
@@justfair7399 a lied was spoken, she got sacked and time to move on. My question is, if this was done by a ruling party member it would have been brushed aside. There won’t be any inquiry. People are not seeing from the perspective from another side. All these inquiry is simply became it was from the opposition camp.
@@woffydo How do you know that the ruling party will sweep this under the carpet? It is just your biased speculation, isn't it? If the WP is not lying, why are you so concerned. All of us are witnesses to truth. Can the ruling party act unfairly to the WP leaders? I think not. Let the process take its course
@@coshinc5941 ..nothing wrong with that...why PAP gov want know ???...Even with these investigation .and bully attrack.......more supporters will support opposition.....
@@Ktc99999-b Because I read from some psychological experts who said that people who always use taxpayers monies to spite the govt are usually the ones hardly paying any taxes. People like them don't have anything for others. I hope the experts are wrong
WP "leaders" abdicate responsibility, no sense of urgency, practice cronyism, and got no accountability, push blame and got crap crisis management skills. Plus encourage Dependency Culture and Entitlement Mindset among their voter base. If such characters are your office boss, would you continue working for them? Or you get the hell out of such an organisation?
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Most of our MPs are of high calibre selected by our own citizen. I do not understand why bcos of one of the MP created her own kamar. Brought all the good and highly calibre MPs into problems.
true, in my opinion they keep trying to ask hypothetical questions to gain an upperhand in this, seems to me that the questioners are trying to get the WP members to say something wrong and make a mistake
Do not understand why question of DP involve the 3 and someone told her to continue the lie, is needed. Feels that she is saying this to make it like the DP have conflict and in no right to discipline
Someone made a falsehood by telling a lie in parliament and admitted it to her leader a few days later for help but the leaders were so incapable of such issue handling or show indifference as the falsehood was only removed or clarified only 3 months later instead of immediately. The impact to the police force has already been damaged not to mention those victims who could no longer dare to step forward. As the WP leaders, could not they see the bigger picture of the consequence rather than taking their own sweet time?
this saga i think boils down to the vibes of Raeesah. many in the WP must have perceived her immaturity, irresponsibility and impetuosity from the day she was picked to run. Sylvia must have perceived that too. alas they took a chance on her professed youthful idealism. when her lie became patent, all the leaders did not know how to deal with the case, especially when she introduced into the mess her past assault encounter. many must have shaken their heads and abandoned the case to Pritam to handle. poor man must have wished the incident would peter out on its own. the case has no precedent and if Low were in charge he could have nipped the trouble early by vetoing her participation. remember that we had been speaking about giving new-age people a chance to bring forth new solutions? but brand new Turks do not always live up to your wish. now we see a wishful selection process that has shipped in an age-old problem -- immaturity and irresponsibility of quite a slice of the young generation.
She prepared well but too many nervous laugh. A sign of untruths. All said, she was a smooth operator but not in the healthy sense. Integrity is a utmost virtue our politicians should have. The world " overwhelmed ' was badly abused. They rehearsed well
Not condoning Raeesah’s behaviour but I still find it unbelievable that a rookie MP like her would dare to continue lying in parliament without the backing of her leaders. Even if the WP leaders did not instruct her to continue with the false narrative, they should still take responsibility for their lack of actions to rectify the lies and poor leadership! The reason given by them (because Raeesah had yet to inform her parents) isn’t valid to me as nothing was stopping them from addressing the lies in parliament immediately without having to mention publicly that she was a victim of sexually assault
I hope young people are not watching this and picking up all the wrong cues from this episode. So much ugliness and pettiness in full display here. Very little dignity shown in the process.
I dont think it's witch hunting. There are cover ups by elected leaders . This is crucial to our structure of politics. Otherwise we would end up like Malaysia
@@coshinc5941 I think there will certainly be some damage control done by WP. Pritam Singh is by a means a respectable leader whom I want to have to lead Singapore - FM, SL, and even PS himself have said so, I could evne point out the timestamps for you. However, what ET has done is really trying to put more blame on the FM, SL and PS than what was necessary. The lie was told by RK and she is responsible to correct it but she didn't. What ET tried to do is to mislead the WP leaders into admitting it's their fault for the lie which I find it to be inappropriate and reeks of witch hunting.
@@ShouldBeKnown O yes, let Pritam be PM, SL be Finance minister and FM be foreign minister. SL will do another AHTC while FM will negotiate well with his supper English and thought process
Of all the parties involved, this was the best and clearest session where I finally gotten to know on the events that transpired from 3 Aug onwards. My respect for Sylvia grown tremendously. She were well spoken, and clear in the events that transpired, without beating around the bush. She gives of the vibes of my no nonsense secondary school teacher haha. But I just have my doubts on the zero communication between the WP senior leaders amongst the 3 months. Is it really possible you guys don’t gossip or discuss? 😂
I don't understand why they need to take such lengths to figure out if others had told RK to admit to her lie. RK knew her anecdote was a lie. She knew she could have put her point across without the lie. She chose to ignore PS' question to substantiate this before the speech. And now PAP is inferring that if someone had told her to tell the truth, she would have magically become an angel and start speaking the truth and listening to her leaders?
No she will never be an angel after that lie. The COP must investigate on Wp leaders play a part in this or not. The time line of events are too suspicious
@@brmin7312 I'm not saying no investigation needs to be done. This, in my opinion, is being stretched too much. Compared to the person who told the lie, others are being questioned more fiercely
@@AK-ch4es The witnesses are not cooperative. The law states that RK cannot be punished more than she deserves or less than she deserves. This is why the COP needs to consider mitigating or aggravating factors. She deserve fair justice
@@brmin7312 everyone deserves justice. RK knows the impact (having been given a stern warning by the police before) that she has to be careful with what she is saying. The leaders may have really considered her mental state before pushing her. What she said about herself is not something that anyone will take lightly. I don't see why anyone should be punished simply for having compassion. And I don't see how the witnesses are not cooperative. They are trying to explain their point of view. Instead of taking that into consideration, those asking questions are fixated on what they think should have been done. It's easy to tell now what should have been done when everything has been said and done.
@@AK-ch4es Well let Pritam explain why he left it to RK or SL to explain why she disappeared from 8th Aug till the second lie on Oct 4 or Faizal to explain why the counsellor that he is did not bother to check whether RK had already spoken to her parents about her ordeal which all 3 members claimed to have caused them to be " overwhelmed " and without squaring this ( in SL's words), RK would not be able to make the necessary corrections to the parliamentary lie. Where was SL? Did she guide her, meet,message, email or ask Pritam the progress? Hypocrites.
She lied and she's above 21 and thus she is responsible for here own actions. It is her own misdoing and nothing to do with others advice!!. This is just to smear the WP..but we are no blockhead..🤨
Honestly, I tried to listen and stay neutral but to the extend I find it unworthy to watch further as truly broadcasting this to public is a waste of time and resources and might seem more to have propangada than it is. Resources can be put to better use than this. What makes it worst to shed light of someone being sexually assaulted and making it known to the whole world .If the victim became vulnerable and succumb to negative outcome in life, those behind this whole saga needs to be in deep remorse and be held responsible.
Nothing is wasted. It's life lessons. The 3 senior WP members were so overwhelmed that they could not talk to Raeesah about the lie as she was emotionally very fragile. That's 8 aug The same people who witnessed Raeesah's emotional problems left her in the cold . Sylvia Lim was nowhere to be seen , so was Faizal the counsellor. They testified in COP about their deep concern about her not getting proper treatment. Isn't that ironical? We keep learning. We can stay neutral but don't stop learning life lessons
WP should just own up instead of playing this circus... timeline and actions do not lie, it is clear they wanted to hide it... just admit it and get it over with.
Full of lie and party leader aware did not take action is very disappointed as MP. They allowed the lie two month without action ? WP leader should hold responsibility without take any action ?
Privileges, immunities and powers to be same as those of Commons House of Parliament of United Kingdom 3.-(1) The privileges, immunities and powers of Parliament and of the Speaker, Members and committees of Parliament shall be the same as those of the Commons House of Parliament of the United Kingdom and of its Speaker, Members or committees at the establishment of the Republic of Singapore.
Harsh reality is that ruling party also covers up its mistakes--some more impactful than this case--because human error exists. Public servants would know. Not saying that RK is right but who judges/questions the ruling party's mistakes? An impartial third party?
The reality is majority of singaporeans do not want Opposition around. Shown in all the elections results. There will always be 30% of citizens who complain, bitch and blame others and can never be satisfied no matter who is in govt. Beware the tyranny of the willfully-ignorant, manipulative minority. It is how a democracy destroys itself.
*YOU SAT ON THOSE LIES FOR NEARLY 3 MONTHS WITHOUT REPORTING IT AND NOW THIS IS WHAT YOU CAME OUT WITH ??? OH MY GOD I CANNOT BELIEVE WHAT I HAVE WATCHED AND HEARD PLEASE FORGIVE ME GOD*
Thank you Sylvia for taking just 3 hours to come up with this bs rather than the 9 hours Pritam took us. Yes we were all born yesterday. When Raeesah confessed to 3 of you with that damning revelation on 08 Aug, after she left of course it is perfectly reasonable that you didn't utter a word about it among yourselves in Pritam's house as well as the next 3 months. Hahahahaha
The bottomline is there is no evidence to suggest that they asked to take her lies to the grave.
Think about it, who is going to be responsible if she took her own life if they have piled her with pressure to address at parliament asap when she was already in an unstable & vulnerable state? Extending sympathy & giving her the space & time was humane & the right thing to do even though they were upset with her for damaging the party’s reputation despite being told to substantiate her claim by PS before making her speech. Singapore is not going to collapse if her lies were not addressed immediately.
That's The Thing! No evidence of any discussions whether to lie or Not to lie. Emails, sms, whatsapp, nothing. According to 3 of them they didn't even verbally Speak to each other about this for 3 months. Including immediately after RK confessed and left Pritam's home while they stayed back. How can it be Possible?
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Speak about what?
They already knew she lied. They told her to seek professional help. They told her to take responsibility for her action and discuss with her parents. What more is there to speak about?
Where was SL from 8th August to 4th Oct ? Didn't she met Raeesah on 8th Oct and said she was emotionally fragile? She didn't meet her at all. Confidently left it to Pritam. What kind of Chairman is this?
@@brmin7312 fully agreed just simply push responsible.
She can pull the party leader down easy don't estimate her !
I ended up watching this instead of Disney+ for 2 hours.
i've been devouring this content for the past week or 2 already! this is so soothing to watch or just listen to while i work
Me too was so glued watching all these WP DramaMama for hours until skipped watching all my favourite TH-cam channels.
What is ur objective conclusion after watching?
@@Ra-mx4bo Its worse than watching any Horror movie.
Leadership is not only about doing what's right. It is also about compassion.
The WP leadership did the right thing allowing Ms Khan the space and time to first settle her personal problems before proceeding further. They did not want Ms Khan to end up like another Teh Cheang Wan.
If this case were as straightforward like the adulterous PAP MP case, I'm sure the WP leadership would have made the WP MP concerned resign much sooner.
Think about that.
Compassion is nothing when covered up with lies
So nice to see I'm generating interest from different viewpoints.
@@coshinc5941 when u open yr mouth speak so much if you understand the vast meaning of compassion anot ..🤣🤣
@@edwinsim147 we need ignore the cosinh guy hahaha . He's commenting on everyone's posts like a typical IB or PAPbiased person, so no use to explain to him cos he's dead set on talking down on WP members generally (as observed on other WP questioning vids too)
@@astctrigo
Nothing wrong for someone to post a comment just to show how stupid he is.
If RK lied about her case in parliament, what's stopping her from lying to say that PS told her to take her lies to the grave? This RK is a serial liar
I personally think Sylvia handle her session much better than the other two senior leadership. Forget about Faisal, his session was purely painful, not just on his own but made worst by Desmond for the first part but still painful after Edwin took over. Pritam’s session was pretty clear that Edwin and Pritam were not going easy on each other. There was a lot more grace for Sylvia’s session, even though she was paraphrasing before answering to the questions, she gave very clear answers ultimately. I see her in a different light after this session. 👍🏻
It feels like you can just watch her version of facts alone and pretty much clearly understand everything that transpired.
Cos She is Mulan 😉
SL holding well thinking nothing is going to happen to them.
Why the WP leader also lie for 2 months to be continued as MP ?
Jamus' session was great! He handled it beautifully by independently seeking feedback others on the ground before forming his judgement & opinion.
Sylvia is a seasoned liar
Why should E Tong question S Lim about Faisal when the issue is about S Khan? E Tong kept asking hypothetical questions. E Tong failed miserably to get more details about S Khan's lie.
RK lied that is a fact, then she said she was advised to do so... in other words, RK's lie is WP's lie, and E Tong is just trying to get a clearer picture of the happenings in between.
Facts are, WP leaders knew about the lie long ago, but did not do anything about it until damages are done, RK lie came out, now they are doing damage control which is normal, but the fact is, if WP leaders are as transparent as they claim to be, the public would have known about it long ago.
This is how a lawyer should ask , every little small parts also must clarify
Imagine if Ong Ye Kung lied about our Covid Deaths etc... what the backlash would be on PAP, vs this mild WP COP...
@@logicrule RK's lie is WP's lie? Your son go and steal from shopping centre means you also need to go jail with him? ：🤣😂 What logic ~
@@skysky1977 u have flawed logic, if u ask your son to go and steal, then u need to go to jail
The other extreme would be to throw her under the bus immediately. All 3 testified that she broke down everytime when the subject arose and told her to seek professional help. I wouldn't want to be the one to trigger her into an emotional outbreak raising the issue again. I have dealt with people suffering from depression and emotional stress and I can tell you it's not a place you want to be.
The chain of events was no longer controlled by the WP. It was in the hands of the PAP. Indranee could have asked for her resignation and be done with it. But she had to make a wayang of it and called for a COP, which was her perogative. Even if the WP had admitted the lie earlier, we can be sure the PAP would still continue with the COP knowing how vindictive they are.
Pritam knew whatever he did or did not do, the wayang would have to play itself out.
And that is why we are where we are today.
Nonsense
@@snowdrop77
How? Please explain.
@@jpphua602in ur own words : 1) “All 3 testified that she broke down everytime when the subject arose and told her to seek professional help” My understanding was, from the recorded COP evidences given by all 4 of them (3 senior leaders & RK herself), her sexual assault issue was only brought up once in PS home on 8 August, not “everytime” as u suggested. This subject including the lie issue was hush hush till 3 October when PS alone visited her at her home. Bear in mind there was a sufficient 2 month’s space from Aug to Oct. Nothing was done to prepare her for the 4th October parliament sitting except for PS’s very vague statement to RK on 3 Oct to “take ownership & responsibility”. PS also did not border to ask her if her parents been informed of her sexual assault as it is, in his recorded evidence, “Pivotal” for her to come clean in public. Practically she was left all alone “To take ownership & responsibilty”. Imagine her anxieties without clear directions & needed backing & support from her 3 senior leaders as to how she can address her lie & come clean on 4th October. No surprise to me that she fumbled on 4 Oct. Where is the compassion shown to her by her leaders?
2) in ur own words: ‘The chain of events was no longer controlled by the WP. It was in the hands of the PAP”. My take is this was a very sweepy statement mayb only u can explain
3) in ur own words: “Indranee could have asked for her resignation and be done with it”. My question to u, do u really think so? My understanding is any abuse of MP’s privileges in parliament has to be dealt with by the COP. This is not a simple case, damage was done & Indranee could not exercise her own discretion. PS also knew this, in fact he also told RK about facing the COP for the mess she created
@@snowdrop77
Have you ever dealt with a person suffering from a mental condition? I have.
Everytime they breakdown you are at a loss as to what to do next. Only the professionals can help. And this was the leadership's advice as well as telling her to talk to her parents. Pressing her further to tell the truth before seeking professional help would only lead to greater stress that may lead to suicide. That was why they gave her the time and space to come to terms with her condition before they could proceed. Knowing that she spoke to her parents is an indication to the leadership that she had come to terms with her condition and was no more in a state of denial. That is compassion.
She's not a child. The leadership is not her babysitter. She only needed to be told once what's the correct thing to do. What was there to prepare her for when they knew she was going lie again?
Indranee could have called for the COP at anytime. She could have called for a closed hearing instead of an open one. She could have not subject Ms Khan to further stress by putting her under the spotlight with cameras rolling. She could have called for a medical examiner's report before commencing the COP. That would have saved everybody a lot of time instead of letting Edwin Tong ramble on with his "if we assume she did not lie" line of misleading questions.
She lied. She confessed. She resigned. What more does Indranee and the PAP want?
This is nothing but a witch hunt.
Don't be stupid like Edwin Tong.
@@jpphua602 so u are saying u r an expert as to how the COP shd conduct its proceedings? What is done is totally unnecessary? If that is so, let it be so then. But I must say in my opinion, after watching the whole, full & complete COP proceedings, Edwin Tong was indeed intelligent, superb & impressive in his handling of this COP. That's the reason why I follow this case very closely & learned many things from it too
damn she sounds like my form teacher being disappointed in me trying to defend me but also asking me to face the music in front of the discipline master. Sorry cher I lied
I think her state (RK) is vital for people to fully understand. Maybe only then will it be clear why there was a delay.
Rest of it sounds like gossip session paid by our tax money.
Where was Slyvia mother lim for 2 months after the meeting on 8 Aug till 4 Oct? A big cover up
Now she and FM said they left it to Pritam. Bo chap
@@brmin7312 ARE YOU JUDGING?
AGREE
Sylvia is calm. Rk elected in July 2020...maternity leave from Jan to April.. shingles in September... need a lot of handholding n drawing MP's of $16K per month n cannot be responsible for an unnecessary lie n does not know the implications of lying in Parliament.
Just more seasoned in doing cover up. Nothing is new
Agreed
SL said it was the "judgment" at that time. Without denial or trying to appear smart nor defensive. Finally, someone owns up to the lapse of judgment. But man was she brilliant. You could see how she instantly commanded that mutual respect from ET.
Pritam actually alluded to the same with the TraceTogether remark. He said that it was a judgement.
She was a smoother liar than Pritam
@@coshinc5941 how are u so sure that's she lying 🤣
@@edwinsim147
About knowing from 7 or 8 Aug.
About keeping this secret till the CEC appointed the DP making the 3 of them the only judges.
About disclosing that they knew the lie only on 2nd Dec.
4 solid months keeping this secret
SL mentioned all this is judgment.
That mean no need to go through all the questions forget about Khan lie action this is unacceptable at MP ?
She has great family background and a 28 yo mature adult with husband and children and certain can take full responsibilities on her own.
Raeesah is the daughter of Farid Khan, the president of the Singapore Malay Chamber of Commerce and Industry, who intended to run in the 2017 Singaporean presidential election but had his Certificate of Eligibility rejected.[41][42] Her father is of Pakistani descent, while her mother is of Arab descent. She has a younger brother, Yusuf Khan.[43]
Raeesah married Mahadhir Caffoor on 14 July 2018. Together, they have a son and daughter.[
AGREE. SHE MUST .HER FAMILY MUST ALSO PRESS HER TO DO SO.
CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT SHE WAS RAPED AT 18 YEARS OLD IN AUSTRALIA AND DID NOT EVEN TELL HER MOTHER. CAN YOU BELIEVE IT?
@@adamkhan7102 calm the full caps, although I dont have an opinion on Raeesah Kahn as of yet, some rape victims will not tell their parents about it, so its a bad assumption to make.
How stupid can the PAP be?
This is free publicity for the WP that money cannot buy.
In the end right, our live problem cannot resolve, we vote WP, simple as that.
In the end , she as Party chairman didn't do anything from 8th Aug till Oct 4. No communication with RK and no communication with the other 2, Pritam and FM.
What a party 🤣
pappies are trying very very hard to undo masters' errors and to turn the tide, futile in my opinion
@@chinkokkoh611
People are free to post comments that make them look stupid. Cannot stop them.
Why can’t the therapist be made a witness if she had known everything all along?
Then they can't drag so long n trying to blurred the events ..😂🤣
@@edwinsim147 Hope the therapist isn’t interrogated like a female Pritam Singh. At least, she needs to be as diligent as him to tackle Mr Edwin Tong’s questions.
Perhaps is a client-therapist privilege ?
@@letsgoletsgoletsgoletsgoletsgoThe COP has shown that even the Leader of the Opposition has no privilege or prejudice over others. So, if the therapist really thinks she can exercise any privilege there, she will end up committing a criminal offence.
EXACTLY. WHY THE THERAPIST IS NOT CALLED?
The last half an hour of this video is actually one of the most important parts, because it gives an account of what happened during the DP
Are the notes written at that time or few days ago?
@@rslin4888 already mentioned in the hearing that it was written at the time
@@Jejdjejbfjf
Do you believe? It was not stated in Faizal or Pritam's testimonies.
They could have written it after Pritam's testimony.Who knows?
@@rslin4888 err no they did say that notes were taken during the DP. And I dont think they dare to lie about something so blatant with so much detail esp when raeesah could easily call them out since she was present in DP too
@@Jejdjejbfjf
The 3 leaders had been asked to submit to COP all relevant documents of internal correspondence relating to the case but failed and refused to do so. What makes us think this voluntary piece which she was so eager to submit was made at the DP. Just common sense asking.
The leaders had shown a lot of lack of transparency insofar
RK already step down and resigned!!!
Let review.
Who started this exercise? Indranee from the PAP. Not the WP.
What was the "crime"?
Ms Khan told a false anecdote about a couple of police officers mishandling ONE sexual assault case. Did it affect the public's trust in the police force? No. Because everyone knows the police is not infallible and they do mishandle cases.
How does Pritam and the WP benefit from her telling and continuing with the lie? Nothing, knowing the truth will eventually be found out
Was Pritam asked by the PAP in parliament if Ms Khan lied? No. And they could have asked that anytime but decided to drag out the case to paint the WP in a bad light.
The WP leadership has testified under oath in this COP. This is the discovery phase. The judgement will come later. So why are people judging prematurely?
It does not benefit the WP to drag this case. They, more than the PAP would want the issue to be settled as soon as possible.
All the PAP had to do was ask Pritam if she lied in parliament much earlier and he would have no choice but to tell the truth and terminate the service of Ms Khan. It only shows the PAP's intention is not to reveal the truth but put the WP in a bad light as long as they could.
Don't believe everything Edwin Tong says. It makes you stupid.
Can you believe her that there are no conversations between her and RK from 8 Aug till 4th Oct? And nothing between her and PS or Faizal for the same period. Haha,they left everything to Pritam .Well orchestrated
The Chairman conveniently left the lie to be corrected to Pritam and was not following up in the matter whether by talking to Raeesah or her partners. No messages or texts or emails. When asked did she notify that to Pritam that she was leaving it to him to handle, her reply was she assumed he knew. Is this a reasonable course of action by the Chairman of the post powerful opposition party in Singapore?
She said Raeesah's disclosing this to her parents was the key for her to correct the lie
Yet she had never asked her whether her parents had already been informed or did she check Pritam or Faizal on the progress of this issue.
It's not a sensible reply but knowing that she is doing well in such things wouldn't surprise anyone I guess
The questions sought from Ms Loh Pei Ting by the members of the ruling party itself is a new low. The harassment and the obvious intent to persecute the other members of the opposition party doesn't bode well for our local politics when the main issue should have been Ms. RK.
No, RK might have committed an offence. Her severity of offence is less if she was abetted by her leaders. The time line of events seems to suggest this
@@brmin7312 yes u are spot on
AGREED.I FEEL THE SAME. WHY THE CASE OF RK CANNOT BE FOCUS ON HER RATHER THAN THE OTHERS?
@@brmin7312 DISAGREE WITH THE STATEMENT BY LWL L
@@snowdrop77 DISAGREE
the email sent is already sufficient nudging. good move by PS. no need to keep checking in with PS. PS has a subtle and appropriate way handling something so fragile and sensitive.
On Sylvia's testimony this enquiry should be discontinued immediately
Mental Health & Mental Well being
can break anyone .
Ms.Khan needs help.
Put the matter is to rest .
Enough is Enough.
Not for the weak. The art of lying is good to witness so that you know what's at stake
@@coshinc5941 don't know she need to go hell for lying anot hor ??
@@edwinsim147
Well we are not God
But there is no place in Parliament for liars. I think you would like to agree
she is a liar and needs to be dealt with firmly, make an example out of her.
@@letsgoletsgoletsgoletsgoletsgo
Well said👍
Pritam Singh once boast at a rally that the thread of transparency runs through the WP. Not! It's irrelevant for the public to know when the leadership knew of Raeesah lies? What other information, in the history of WP, has been kept from the public because they are 'irrelevant' ? Rhetoric is beautiful until it unravels
How they know the lie was not a lie in itself?
Pritam was not truthful. So are SL and FM. They hid the secret for 4 months. None of the CEC members knew but still they voted to convict.
Very scary organisation
@@brmin7312 WP leadership should responsible for the lie .
This is why the ministers are paid so highly....very few people can handle the pressure and know how to calculative give information in the midst of a argument.
SL is much more cool n her body language is very clear with no intention to hides
She was almost caught with the 1st question on whether she knew the lie on 7th or 8th?
Not sure this COP makes the ruling party looks bad.
Cannot choose I suppose
Accountability is important.
How could that be so? The COP’s responsibility is to put the record straight. They did a good job thus far
We should be grateful for the transparency.
In order to commit a crime there must be a motive to benefit oneself.
How does encouraging Ms khan to lie benefit the WP?
So, to all the "smart" people out there... what's the motive?
“Love your enemies! Pray for those who persecute you! In that way, you will be acting as true children of your Father in heaven. For he gives his sunlight to both the evil and the good, and he sends rain on the just and the unjust alike.”
Pappies had lost the COP due to ET and no facts finding but making assumption and force their interpretation and preception against all other witness.
Only in this session, some real facts were prepared and submitted.
Very impressed with SylviaLim's COP cooperation. SylviaLim epitomises competency, rationality and compassionate leadership, despite PAP's dirty politics in PAP-LEE-MENT HENG-AHH's "demand-for-apology", AIMs-AHTC kangaroo court case...etc!
She was not a truthful witness.
She did nothing from 8 Aug to 4 Oct
And she left everything to Pritam
What kind of Chairman is this?
@@coshinc5941 A lying one. only babies in KKH will believe that.
What should happen next is obvious. Subject Ms Khan to a psychological examination.
Recall her back to substantiate her "take the matter to the grave" statement as that's disputed by all 3 of the WP leadership.
Anything less will cast the PAP in a bad light.
I have met Mr PS in person, I truly agree he is a good MP who serves the people with his heart. However, as much as I support WP and PS, i felt this matter has been mishandled by the WP leaders to some degree. None of the 3 leaders took the initiative to contact RK to ask about her well being at any point in time before 4th Oct. 2021 (so much about being compassionate). Assuming they were all too busy to think about this matter for a good 2 months, why couldn't and didn't PS ask RK clearly and in a more direct manner on the 3rd oct if she has spoken to her parents and if she is mentally prepared and ready to clarify the matter truthfully in Parliament if the matter is raised. They should have known that the matter is very serious and has to be dealt with very urgently...
Having said that , I don't believe that PS has given the order to RK whether directly or indirectly to hide the truth... for whatever reason this matter has come to such a stage, only they know.
The other extreme would be to throw her under the bus immediately. All 3 testified that she broke down everytime when the subject arose and told her to seek professional help. I wouldn't want to be the one to trigger her into an emotional outbreak raising the issue again. I have dealt with people suffering from depression and emotional stress and I can tell you it's not a place you want to be.
The chain of events was no longer controlled by the WP. It was in the hands of the PAP. Indranee could have asked for her resignation and be done with it. But she had to make a wayang of it and called for a COP, which was her perogative. Even if the WP had admitted the lie earlier, we can be sure the PAP would still continue with the COP knowing how vindictive they are.
Pritam knew whatever he did or did not do, the wayang would have to play itself out.
And that is why we are where we are today.
@@jpphua602 I fully understand that.. Imo, the 3 WP leaders have led their guard down... they should have known someone will be ready to pounce on the slightest mistake WP make which in this case is not just about RK repeated lie...but why the matter was not dealt with or at the very least discussed among the 3 of them on the right thing to do in any manner for such a long time... which give them the reason to suspect what they are suspecting now.
@@agentstory3693
The horses were already out of the stable when Ms Khan lied. It was all damage control after that. I cannot see what the leader could have done in those 3 months to control the damage other than to drag her to seek professional help. The only thing they could do was wait for PAP's next move. Holding a press conference to admit would not assuage the PAP's thirst for their vindictiveness.
@@agentstory3693
Just for discussion sake, what do you think the leadership could have done differently? I cannot think of any that would have resulted in a better outcome.
In my opinion, I believe the reason why they didn’t put a timeline to it, is because she is a sexual assault survivor. They treated her as a human being before treating her as a MP. They wanted her to talk to her family first and correct the record herself. I don’t think she needs handholding, she is an adult.
I suggest that everyone watch the session with Ms Khan again in light of the WP leadership's testimonies.
Edwin Tong was acting as a defence lawyer for Ms Khan trying very hard leading Ms Khan to implicate the WP leadership with his questioning. The WP leadership had nothing to do with Ms Khan concocting the lie nor encouraged her to continue with the lie.
It's time PAP leadership dissociate itself from Edwin Tong in order to preserve its good name.
A separate COP should be conducted to investigate the conduct of Edwin Tong now and bar him from this COP immediately.
PAP cannot allow the narcissism of one person bring the whole party down.
The whole thing smacks of vindictive politics
Microsoft word has these automated line numbering, makes me wonder why the person who types the transcripts our did not use this function to help both parties zoom in on what they were referring to.
When RK came clean to them, the 3 senior leaders began planning her crucifixion. Scary.
Yes. Leading this rookie politician to double down on lie, since her character is already tarnished. Better her than Party. RK was wrong to start the lie, but boy she had no idea what was in store. You don't mess with WP. And that's why when YSL was told to shut up and run road, he complied.
It's a cult
@@drb312 oh man now I really believe she was encouraged/nudged to double down, since in their eyes she was already damaged goods. It will be her credibility vs theirs. Easy. Plus no records of ANY discussion between 3 senior leaders on WhatsApp, email regarding this matter...How can it be possible, unless it was planned this way... Super Scary lor.... Only thing they didn't expect was she'll msg Pritam and ask "What shld I do now" in parliament when she double down...super super scary
@@ipanmei3380 LOL whats scary is this thread. Yall just freely throwing accusations like as if theres clear evidence they really did wrong by her and then keep saying this is scary. Bro, wait for the actual facts first la before saying wa scary scary. Legit, whats scary is people my generation and later continue growing up in an elitist society and continuously chasing to conform to social engineered system standards created by PAP while any other openness to opposition is being crushed. Thats scary because I want the best for the country I grow up in while yall just biasedly say its a cult blahblah.
@@astctrigo oh man. it is scarier when ppl think a change in political party will make society less elitist. Even communist states have elites la. the people ourselves also need to take some responsibility. who say we are not open to opposition? But who caused RK fiasco in WP other than themselves? stop crying victim. enough already la
Looks like a never ending circus. Time to put this to an end and move on. Everyone can pretty much guess what the outcome is going to be. Doubt if there will be any surprises there.
Let you know what life can be if liars are in Parliament
SL was almost caught even in the opening question on whether she knew it on 7th or 8th.
She is smoother in this trade of covering up than Pritam probably.
And she did some opera with many faces of emotions. Well trained. Dennis played his part in the opera .And it was not convincing at all that the notes were taken at the DP. Hence Edwin asked for the handwritten original.The audacity to lie is alarming
Seasoned drama queen this SL. Cannot recall cannot recall. Gimme a break. But definitely Best Actor award in this series.
Yes best actress award.
It was not the first time she lied in Parliament. This is the trademark of WP
@@coshinc5941 You are really geniuses who can read her mind.
Want to know if you remember what you ate on August 7, 2021.
Why are you assuming she is covering up when there is no evidence to suggest that 3 of them told RK to continue with her narrative? There was nothing to cover up.
@@Ra-mx4bo
Sl was always absent. How could she dispel RK's message to her friends that PS told her to bring it to the grave
My only takeaway from this 2hr spar: ET and SL have brother and sister looks.
My takeaway is SL is a very seasoned liar
When you are accosted with a sneaky lawyer of higher authority trying to change your testimony in 10 different ways you fight till the death to maintain your original testimony.
This is the kind of leader Singapore deserves. A leader that will not be bullied.
Testifies to who? Testify to PAP members? is there any kind of independent inquiry in this? Give me a break, there is no level playing field here.
AGREE
What is a level playing field? A field where lies are allowed?
@@justfair7399 a lied was spoken, she got sacked and time to move on. My question is, if this was done by a ruling party member it would have been brushed aside. There won’t be any inquiry. People are not seeing from the perspective from another side. All these inquiry is simply became it was from the opposition camp.
@@woffydo
How do you know that the ruling party will sweep this under the carpet? It is just your biased speculation, isn't it?
If the WP is not lying, why are you so concerned. All of us are witnesses to truth. Can the ruling party act unfairly to the WP leaders?
I think not. Let the process take its course
One of the best dramas. ET is great as SL's sidekick.
SL is a damed good liar. She did it once in Parliament.
She is as slippery as Pritam
Well said Ms Syivia Lim...well done ..keep it up
Why was she absent from 8 Aug to 4 Oct? Is this how a chairman of a political party behave?
@@coshinc5941 ..nothing wrong with that...why PAP gov want know ???...Even with these investigation .and bully attrack.......more supporters will support opposition.....
@@coshinc5941 why not u try to be chairman LOL
@@homygawd3407
I am not so thick skinned
What is the point of swearing to tell the truth when untruths are still heard in the hearings. It is difficult to trust anyone in WP.
Yes, she lied before.
This time she lied a lot too.
Very dramatic
@@coshinc5941 These pap supporters lol
Use taxpayer's money to discredit your rivals.
Do you pay tax? I dont think so lah
@@brmin7312 I don't really care what you think.
@@Ktc99999-b the feeling is mutual. Grow up and don't allege without evidence
@@brmin7312 so why ask if I pay tax? Stay away.
@@Ktc99999-b
Because I read from some psychological experts who said that people who always use taxpayers monies to spite the govt are usually the ones hardly paying any taxes.
People like them don't have anything for others. I hope the experts are wrong
WP "leaders" abdicate responsibility, no sense of urgency, practice cronyism, and got no accountability, push blame and got crap crisis management skills. Plus encourage Dependency Culture and Entitlement Mindset among their voter base. If such characters are your office boss, would you continue working for them? Or you get the hell out of such an organisation?
mmunity of witness in respect of evidence
17.-(1) Without prejudice to section 16 and subject to subsection (3), no person who gives evidence before Parliament or any committee shall be liable to any civil or criminal proceedings, arrest, imprisonment or damages by reason of anything which he may have said in such evidence.
(2) Except in proceedings referred to in subsection (3), no statement made by any person in evidence before Parliament or any committee shall be admissible in evidence against that person in any civil or criminal proceedings or in any court.
(3) Nothing in subsections (1) and (2) shall prevent or be deemed to prevent the institution or maintenance of any proceedings against any person for an offence under section 191 of the Penal Code (Cap. 224) or for any offence under this Act in respect of any evidence given by him before Parliament or any committee.
Most of our MPs are of high calibre selected by our own citizen. I do not understand why bcos of one of the MP created her own kamar. Brought all the good and highly calibre MPs into problems.
The cover up is glaring
What is this? This video suddenly comes up on my feed 😩
There is apart where the words 'assume' being used I think is not the appropriate to use bcos is very ambiguous
true, in my opinion they keep trying to ask hypothetical questions to gain an upperhand in this, seems to me that the questioners are trying to get the WP members to say something wrong and make a mistake
Do not understand why question of DP involve the 3 and someone told her to continue the lie, is needed. Feels that she is saying this to make it like the DP have conflict and in no right to discipline
Keep the narrative and bring it to the grave
so many Lawyers, Queen's counsel and Judges in the comments section
Shiok right? They have parliamentary privilege. We have Youtbe commentary privilege.
Someone made a falsehood by telling a lie in parliament and admitted it to her leader a few days later for help but the leaders were so incapable of such issue handling or show indifference as the falsehood was only removed or clarified only 3 months later instead of immediately. The impact to the police force has already been damaged not to mention those victims who could no longer dare to step forward. As the WP leaders, could not they see the bigger picture of the consequence rather than taking their own sweet time?
this saga i think boils down to the vibes of Raeesah. many in the WP must have perceived her immaturity, irresponsibility and impetuosity from the day she was picked to run. Sylvia must have perceived that too. alas they took a chance on her professed youthful idealism. when her lie became patent, all the leaders did not know how to deal with the case, especially when she introduced into the mess her past assault encounter. many must have shaken their heads and abandoned the case to Pritam to handle. poor man must have wished the incident would peter out on its own. the case has no precedent and if Low were in charge he could have nipped the trouble early by vetoing her participation. remember that we had been speaking about giving new-age people a chance to bring forth new solutions? but brand new Turks do not always live up to your wish. now we see a wishful selection process that has shipped in an age-old problem -- immaturity and irresponsibility of quite a slice of the young generation.
Poor WP…. But i am sure WP will never give up . Be strong 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
They had shown themselves to be lack of due diligence and its sad that they didn't follow up the case.
Unbelievable
@@coshinc5941 they must go to hell for lying ??
@@edwinsim147
No, can't go to heaven for lying😅🤣
She prepared well but too many nervous laugh. A sign of untruths.
All said, she was a smooth operator but not in the healthy sense. Integrity is a utmost virtue our politicians should have.
The world " overwhelmed ' was badly abused. They rehearsed well
You a mind reader or psychiatrist? Or is this another ET level hypothesis?
@@Banana-cc5rx
Do you need be one to see these tell tale signs?
Ok so a hypothesis then.
@@Banana-cc5rx
Are the doubts cleared? Why the long absence and non disclosure?
@@rslin4888 ask ET and COP?
Not condoning Raeesah’s behaviour but I still find it unbelievable that a rookie MP like her would dare to continue lying in parliament without the backing of her leaders. Even if the WP leaders did not instruct her to continue with the false narrative, they should still take responsibility for their lack of actions to rectify the lies and poor leadership! The reason given by them (because Raeesah had yet to inform her parents) isn’t valid to me as nothing was stopping them from addressing the lies in parliament immediately without having to mention publicly that she was a victim of sexually assault
You are right
Ah one of the infamous gang of 3 in workers party. Behaving like a taichi master pushing the blame to others.
I hope young people are not watching this and picking up all the wrong cues from this episode. So much ugliness and pettiness in full display here. Very little dignity shown in the process.
Young people should know the lying is bad and more so if done by senior politicians who are leaders
I agree. Witch hunting is really ugly.
I dont think it's witch hunting. There are cover ups by elected leaders .
This is crucial to our structure of politics. Otherwise we would end up like Malaysia
@@coshinc5941 I think there will certainly be some damage control done by WP. Pritam Singh is by a means a respectable leader whom I want to have to lead Singapore - FM, SL, and even PS himself have said so, I could evne point out the timestamps for you.
However, what ET has done is really trying to put more blame on the FM, SL and PS than what was necessary. The lie was told by RK and she is responsible to correct it but she didn't. What ET tried to do is to mislead the WP leaders into admitting it's their fault for the lie which I find it to be inappropriate and reeks of witch hunting.
@@ShouldBeKnown
O yes, let Pritam be PM, SL be Finance minister and FM be foreign minister. SL will do another AHTC while FM will negotiate well with his supper English and thought process
12:39. ok. so the sexual assault, RK didn't have the courage to report it back then at age of 18....Seriously, did it really took place?
Of all the parties involved, this was the best and clearest session where I finally gotten to know on the events that transpired from 3 Aug onwards.
My respect for Sylvia grown tremendously. She were well spoken, and clear in the events that transpired, without beating around the bush. She gives of the vibes of my no nonsense secondary school teacher haha.
But I just have my doubts on the zero communication between the WP senior leaders amongst the 3 months. Is it really possible you guys don’t gossip or discuss? 😂
She was just a smoother liar.
You really believe she left everything to Pritam? And she is the Chairman of WP? She is a seasoned flipper
She asked RK to go with the lie. Smooth criminal, yes!
@@indianatheist6478
Well said👍
Between Prritum's and Sylvirr's the latter is more forthright while the other was " adversarial"
The latter lies smoothly.
Distracting with making faces.
Old tricks
I don't understand why they need to take such lengths to figure out if others had told RK to admit to her lie.
RK knew her anecdote was a lie. She knew she could have put her point across without the lie. She chose to ignore PS' question to substantiate this before the speech. And now PAP is inferring that if someone had told her to tell the truth, she would have magically become an angel and start speaking the truth and listening to her leaders?
No she will never be an angel after that lie. The COP must investigate on Wp leaders play a part in this or not. The time line of events are too suspicious
@@brmin7312 I'm not saying no investigation needs to be done. This, in my opinion, is being stretched too much. Compared to the person who told the lie, others are being questioned more fiercely
@@AK-ch4es
The witnesses are not cooperative.
The law states that RK cannot be punished more than she deserves or less than she deserves.
This is why the COP needs to consider mitigating or aggravating factors. She deserve fair justice
@@brmin7312 everyone deserves justice. RK knows the impact (having been given a stern warning by the police before) that she has to be careful with what she is saying. The leaders may have really considered her mental state before pushing her. What she said about herself is not something that anyone will take lightly. I don't see why anyone should be punished simply for having compassion.
And I don't see how the witnesses are not cooperative. They are trying to explain their point of view. Instead of taking that into consideration, those asking questions are fixated on what they think should have been done. It's easy to tell now what should have been done when everything has been said and done.
@@AK-ch4es
Well let Pritam explain why he left it to RK or SL to explain why she disappeared from 8th Aug till the second lie on Oct 4 or Faizal to explain why the counsellor that he is did not bother to check whether RK had already spoken to her parents about her ordeal which all 3 members claimed to have caused them to be " overwhelmed " and without squaring this ( in SL's words), RK would not be able to make the necessary corrections to the parliamentary lie.
Where was SL? Did she guide her, meet,message, email or ask Pritam the progress?
Hypocrites.
Here comes ET from twilight zone rumbling & bumbling through the end of the tunnel ...
Rk has to responsible for all her lies.
Why don't they show PAP OATH??
RK is suffering from Arcufutri
She lied and she's above 21 and thus she is responsible for here own actions. It is her own misdoing and nothing to do with others advice!!.
This is just to smear the WP..but we are no blockhead..🤨
Wasting time & money
Imagine nothing of this happems, what will these people be doing? Too free?
Honestly, I tried to listen and stay neutral but to the extend I find it unworthy to watch further as truly broadcasting this to public is a waste of time and resources and might seem more to have propangada than it is. Resources can be put to better use than this. What makes it worst to shed light of someone being sexually assaulted and making it known to the whole world .If the victim became vulnerable and succumb to negative outcome in life, those behind this whole saga needs to be in deep remorse and be held responsible.
Nothing is wasted. It's life lessons.
The 3 senior WP members were so overwhelmed that they could not talk to Raeesah about the lie as she was emotionally very fragile. That's 8 aug
The same people who witnessed Raeesah's emotional problems left her in the cold .
Sylvia Lim was nowhere to be seen , so was Faizal the counsellor.
They testified in COP about their deep concern about her not getting proper treatment.
Isn't that ironical? We keep learning.
We can stay neutral but don't stop learning life lessons
WP should just own up instead of playing this circus... timeline and actions do not lie, it is clear they wanted to hide it... just admit it and get it over with.
PAP IB spotted
@@gh8066 wumao spotted
Hopefully a lesson learnt, review them, correct them and improve. Life has to go on.
@@tohst88 agreed. But they are not learning, so no votes for them next election (WP)
Full of lie and party leader aware did not take action is very disappointed as MP.
They allowed the lie two month without action ?
WP leader should hold responsibility without take any action ?
看上去就是長得尖嘴猴腮。
PAP buries lies forever. There is a difference.
Can't you say verbal evidence? oral sounds... so... weird.
Privileges, immunities and powers to be same as those of Commons House of Parliament of United Kingdom
3.-(1) The privileges, immunities and powers of Parliament and of the Speaker, Members and committees of Parliament shall be the same as those of the Commons House of Parliament of the United Kingdom and of its Speaker, Members or committees at the establishment of the Republic of Singapore.
I just want to know why still need United Kingdom in our own independent country?
Harsh reality is that ruling party also covers up its mistakes--some more impactful than this case--because human error exists. Public servants would know.
Not saying that RK is right but who judges/questions the ruling party's mistakes? An impartial third party?
But there were disclosure and penalties
@@coshinc5941 not all mistakes are disclosed
@@pollackvygotsk8205
Like what?
The reality is majority of singaporeans do not want Opposition around. Shown in all the elections results. There will always be 30% of citizens who complain, bitch and blame others and can never be satisfied no matter who is in govt. Beware the tyranny of the willfully-ignorant, manipulative minority. It is how a democracy destroys itself.
Hear hear
Can cop within cop happen?
We are back from break
*YOU SAT ON THOSE LIES FOR NEARLY 3 MONTHS WITHOUT REPORTING IT AND NOW THIS IS WHAT YOU CAME OUT WITH ??? OH MY GOD I CANNOT BELIEVE WHAT I HAVE WATCHED AND HEARD PLEASE FORGIVE ME GOD*
Lies and more lies
At the end it's all about crude and smooth lies
Lies nonetheless
shutup
How you know those lies were not lies in themselves?
Thank you Sylvia for taking just 3 hours to come up with this bs rather than the 9 hours Pritam took us. Yes we were all born yesterday. When Raeesah confessed to 3 of you with that damning revelation on 08 Aug, after she left of course it is perfectly reasonable that you didn't utter a word about it among yourselves in Pritam's house as well as the next 3 months. Hahahahaha
Wayang 3
Wow😱 senior leaders leaving all 🐮 dunk and all probs to handle alone 1.......so sad for soldier to Chong Suahhh alone.....haizzzzz😔😥😡