There's also zero reason PCT should be this broken OP :/. Mch should be a lot higher being as selfish DPS like BLM and Sam. Just it's got a lot of mobility hehe
@@TaylorXIV kinda mixed really. It's no longer bottom in general on rdps but jobs like smn bard and dancer have the potential to out perform it massively. (This isn't that big of an issue it's more of the fact machinist just has never synergized well with the 2 minute meta)
Yes, DRG may be better in savage with those numbers, but I am not a fan of the changes at all. As a ex-casual player of the game (I haven't really played since finishing DT, except for logging into patch day), I miss the triple Nastrond feel when fighting, especially when in dungeons. Now, it feels a lot less "bursty" on the 1 minute AoE pulls. I personally think that the job was completely fine, minus the Starcross buff (that was nice), and miss my mains gameplay.
really sucks that they didn't revert the nastrond change for ultimate. From what I've seen on the japanese forums it seems to be a unpopular change there too and many people are confused why they chose to take away nastrond
Listen. I've been a DRK main since it was released. I haven't looked back (only to how broken it was in HW). BUT I gotta thank xeno cause he was putting it on fucking BLAST at least once a week. And it got heavy attention. So I'll take these buffs. But I'm waiting for more. So please. Keep shitting on my class lmaooooo
I think it's very important to consider where this tier list applies, for casuals this might be an okay list but any serious raid group would not take SGE over SCH given Rdps, War and Paladin would also be swapped with drk for speed, blm, rdm and smn would be bottom jobs, so would mch. Brd and dnc would rank extremely high, rpr would rank a lot lower aswell, rest of the list is okay ish
The problem with categorizing things like this (and FF14 tier lists in general) is that no one really cares and it never really matters. I used to think it would be different when I became a high-end raider, but several raid tiers and ultimates later, I've just realized none of it matters. Most Arcadion and Anabaseios WF teams still took WAR/PLD over GNB because having better mitigations just mattered to them more. No serious raid group is perfect, and if people start making mistakes, then MCH immediately starts outperforming the other phys ranged who rely so heavily on rDPS. There'd be no situations where you EVER take a Sage over Scholar either, no matter how much more busted Sage is, because Scholar has Expedient, and Expedient literally breaks the game; a lot of people just take both anyways. The same thing goes for prog: the only role which sometimes switches jobs for prog are casters, because RDM can chain raise. With everything else, you're better progging in the job you're going to use anyways, or else you'll just have to reprog the whole fight on another job. But, despite all of this, I've seen vanishingly few people ever change their jobs because of how they were performing. Unless you're pushing for WF on something like Hephaistos week 1 and you're lacking in the execution, most people just choose to stick with whatever they're playing and tough it out - because it doesn't really matter, and they'd probably just perform worse anyways playing a job they don't know as well.
Respectfully, I think you have bad take on the healers. Scholar and Astro have so much synergy with mitigation it can't be parrelleld. Astro S, Scholar A+, Sage & WHM on A-.
@@antipyretic and sch destroys sage at mitigation too, hell one of schs mitigations has a sprint that's better than a small shield plus heal. And no mitigation isn't stronger than shields, with a crit Dissipation recitation buffed spreadlo buffed by the arrow you can skip mechanics. Also doesn't help that gunbreaker dark knight mitigation buffs has made it so now DPS/tank mitigation potential lowers healers need for it as much.
@@christhagod dont forget SCH also has access to Fey Illumination. so in total SCH has more party mitigation too. The only real advantage SGE has over SCH is being able to move and shield and that movement is invalidated as you prog a fight more imo.
@@TOAGamer1 that, slightly more personal damage and being completely brain dead easy. That's Sage's advantages, which is hilarious because it's almost identical to whim and AST minus the damage and movement.
I main smn with drk secondary. I know that especially at the level that im at it really isnt that big of a deal, but still being at the back of the pack after a major patch is kinda despair lol
I'm MT and I'm swapping out from DRK to WAR because you are either on point with every single mit every single pull or you die :( the buffs are appreciated but the job has absolutely lackluster personal mit and doesn't function properly as a MT. As an OT however it's incredible.
@@LeicaFleury Self sustain only matters in casual content and prog (lol). If it's bringing more Dps, that's what matters, because its beyond easy to throw OGCD's and heal tanks. Makes sense to swap to another if your healers are lacking, but that's not really a Drk issue as much as a "your healers need to wake up" one.
Not much of a point in ranking by just healing. Since they can all heal well just fine. At that point its about other things outside of just can it heal
AST has way better mitigation/shielding than WHM. It also has a slew of ogcd heals that heal faster than WHM's big reliance on gcd healing, which could lead to a teammate dying just because the WHM was barely too late on the healing.
@@iPlayOnSpicaWHM has a lot of ogcd heals...if the whm is relying in gcd heals and letting the group die because of it, it's their own fault...ast has a lot more shields for sure and a lot more utility but when it comes to raw healing, whm is way better
@@sophiastorm8616 unfortunately due to the nature of this game, pure healing is less than shield healing and mitigation. If there was more consistent damage like the dot during bird extreme WHM would shine a lot more due to it's pure healing abilities.
@@christhagod whm has enough mitigation, I mean, I'm biased ofc, I'm a whm, but I can tell you that being out of ogcd healing is something that really doesn't happen...as for being out of mitigation (shields is a different matter) never happened, if anything else isn't available, there's always medica 2. Don't get me wrong, I love ast, but whm is better in almost every sense except a few utilities. And it's a lot easier and straightforward and that's a big plus in high-end
This comment section has zero knowledge of most jobs. Here and there you find truth about some but over all 98% of the takes in here are wrong and opinions based on what people told them or what they remember from when they played it once
People laughed when SCH got Expedience. I do not know how much it has helped my raid grp, but it def has been super beneficial. Everything still seems balanced enough, but i feel bad that phys ranged just seems so screwed over still. Like something needs to be done.
i would personally switch out whm with astro or at the very least include it in s tier with the other 2. whm just has too much raw healing to not be in s tier. i have a max level scholar and whm and currently leveling asrto,(lvl 67) and i just dont see why anyone would choose astro over whm if given the chance. astro is probably better in highly coordinated statics (with their card buff ststem) but that doesnt really matter in randoms or casual statics and whm excels in randoms. you cannot underestimate how incredibly useful it is to solo heal in most duties that have a co healer. astro cant even out regen stack a whm (which i thought they might since they have 2 regular cards that affect healing. i cant remember if qeen card does regen. whm lilly bell regen is just too massive to beat) i feel like the 2 regen healers are in the same boat as the physical ranged: one is better depending on the situation. maybe my mind will change later as i get more skills unlocked on astro but from what i can see of their specialties, its feels wrong to put whm anywhere below s
It's actually almost perfect, the vast majority of top players would agree with this list. This is also the best balancing we've ever had top to bottom dps is within 10% whereas before it used to be closer to 20%.
@@christhagod Spreadlo is a GCD, it's a waste of a gcd when you have BIS and optimal healing. Sage healing is massively in the lead, if Sage and Scholar were comparitively within 5% then Scholar would take the cake but Sage healing is enormous. It's so easy and effective to use and doesn't rely on slow pet abilties, it has way less APM needed, and it's damage is easier to use and understand. on Scholar you have to waste aetherflow to deal more damage. That's the exactly reason also that sage healing is so much better, scholar are using aetherflow to keep up in dps, when without the aetherflow damage scholar would be a lot lower in damage but still not equaling the healing (likely around 7%) It's just not a contest man... to anyone with eyes haha
Okey, you're just plainly wrong about tanks. Gunbreaker is S-tier, the fact that DD only cost one Cartridge now just put it miles ahead the others. And DRK, while yes they are better than before, they're still nowhere near as good as PLD & WAR, putting DRK above B-tier is wild, sure their damage is better, but as a whole their package isn't even close to the other tanks, even with the buffs they're still the worst one.
I'm a DRK main. And they are by far the worst. Like. For me personally I wish they'd bring back mana management for higher dps instead of self sustain. I'm a tank i want to need my healer. Not steal their job. Idk. I just want the technicality of the job back and soul price. I honestly think a tweaked version of soul price would fix DRK in terms of self sustain but idk.
I'm doing around 17.5 to 18k DPS on DRK on 724ilv (720 weapon, I started raiding very late). This is just blue parsing, nothing to sing songs about (between 50 and 55), but I'm swapping to Warrior because I'm MT and our OT refuses to play any job other than PLD. The DPS is great but it's not enough to carry and quite honestly I almost lost my mind last night squeezing out every tiny bit of mit out of my lackluster kit.
As a former AFK in Limsa main, this list is completely wrong.
Such qualifications... lol
logs? what is your active downtime??
There should be no reason mch is always at the bottom of the dps charts.
There is a reason. Someone has to be. Because it’s a list.
good news, it isnt
There's also zero reason PCT should be this broken OP :/. Mch should be a lot higher being as selfish DPS like BLM and Sam. Just it's got a lot of mobility hehe
@@TaylorXIV kinda mixed really. It's no longer bottom in general on rdps but jobs like smn bard and dancer have the potential to out perform it massively. (This isn't that big of an issue it's more of the fact machinist just has never synergized well with the 2 minute meta)
The factually correct tier list is:
> Pictomancer Tier
> Everyone Else Tier
as a former AST main, ive switched to WHM because i am absolutely not doing 200 APM when i can do a whopping 3 casts on WHM for better healing output.
Yes, DRG may be better in savage with those numbers, but I am not a fan of the changes at all. As a ex-casual player of the game (I haven't really played since finishing DT, except for logging into patch day), I miss the triple Nastrond feel when fighting, especially when in dungeons. Now, it feels a lot less "bursty" on the 1 minute AoE pulls. I personally think that the job was completely fine, minus the Starcross buff (that was nice), and miss my mains gameplay.
really sucks that they didn't revert the nastrond change for ultimate. From what I've seen on the japanese forums it seems to be a unpopular change there too and many people are confused why they chose to take away nastrond
Listen. I've been a DRK main since it was released. I haven't looked back (only to how broken it was in HW). BUT I gotta thank xeno cause he was putting it on fucking BLAST at least once a week. And it got heavy attention. So I'll take these buffs. But I'm waiting for more. So please. Keep shitting on my class lmaooooo
I think it's very important to consider where this tier list applies, for casuals this might be an okay list but any serious raid group would not take SGE over SCH given Rdps, War and Paladin would also be swapped with drk for speed, blm, rdm and smn would be bottom jobs, so would mch. Brd and dnc would rank extremely high, rpr would rank a lot lower aswell, rest of the list is okay ish
In prog however, sge and whm would rank high, so would rdm, pal and war
The problem with categorizing things like this (and FF14 tier lists in general) is that no one really cares and it never really matters. I used to think it would be different when I became a high-end raider, but several raid tiers and ultimates later, I've just realized none of it matters.
Most Arcadion and Anabaseios WF teams still took WAR/PLD over GNB because having better mitigations just mattered to them more. No serious raid group is perfect, and if people start making mistakes, then MCH immediately starts outperforming the other phys ranged who rely so heavily on rDPS. There'd be no situations where you EVER take a Sage over Scholar either, no matter how much more busted Sage is, because Scholar has Expedient, and Expedient literally breaks the game; a lot of people just take both anyways.
The same thing goes for prog: the only role which sometimes switches jobs for prog are casters, because RDM can chain raise. With everything else, you're better progging in the job you're going to use anyways, or else you'll just have to reprog the whole fight on another job. But, despite all of this, I've seen vanishingly few people ever change their jobs because of how they were performing.
Unless you're pushing for WF on something like Hephaistos week 1 and you're lacking in the execution, most people just choose to stick with whatever they're playing and tough it out - because it doesn't really matter, and they'd probably just perform worse anyways playing a job they don't know as well.
Respectfully, I think you have bad take on the healers. Scholar and Astro have so much synergy with mitigation it can't be parrelleld. Astro S, Scholar A+, Sage & WHM on A-.
Oh Sage is Rated so badly? I always end up with the good ones
@@DesperiusFFXIV I mean, as a high end raider, SCH completely craps on Sage, they just have more tools than Sage.
I feel scholar pretty much invalidates sage, putting sage in S is an interesting take
He's blatantly wrong, spreadlo destroys all of sages shielding. SCH/AST stomp so hard and allow you to skip mechanics.
@@christhagod mitigation > shields
Spreadlo is cool, but 20% mitigation by pressing only two buttons is much more convenient
@@antipyretic and sch destroys sage at mitigation too, hell one of schs mitigations has a sprint that's better than a small shield plus heal. And no mitigation isn't stronger than shields, with a crit Dissipation recitation buffed spreadlo buffed by the arrow you can skip mechanics.
Also doesn't help that gunbreaker dark knight mitigation buffs has made it so now DPS/tank mitigation potential lowers healers need for it as much.
@@christhagod dont forget SCH also has access to Fey Illumination. so in total SCH has more party mitigation too. The only real advantage SGE has over SCH is being able to move and shield and that movement is invalidated as you prog a fight more imo.
@@TOAGamer1 that, slightly more personal damage and being completely brain dead easy. That's Sage's advantages, which is hilarious because it's almost identical to whim and AST minus the damage and movement.
Astro and sage in s tier, you’re alright in my book.
Someone gift this man a sub.
I main smn with drk secondary. I know that especially at the level that im at it really isnt that big of a deal, but still being at the back of the pack after a major patch is kinda despair lol
Smn is like the most boring job to play now.......
BOOOO BLU MAGE IS S++
Can’t wait for blu update and beast tamer 👏
I mean it is not even a joke, blu is easily the best dps job in the game, just sadly locked below level cap as we all know.
All melee def not in the same tier lmao
Ahhhhh Dark knight is now in a good spot and no longer shit good to see the job I main back in heaven's ward get boosted
I'm MT and I'm swapping out from DRK to WAR because you are either on point with every single mit every single pull or you die :( the buffs are appreciated but the job has absolutely lackluster personal mit and doesn't function properly as a MT. As an OT however it's incredible.
And lowest self sustain btw.
@@LeicaFleury Self sustain only matters in casual content and prog (lol). If it's bringing more Dps, that's what matters, because its beyond easy to throw OGCD's and heal tanks. Makes sense to swap to another if your healers are lacking, but that's not really a Drk issue as much as a "your healers need to wake up" one.
what's the title of the background music on the start of the video?
White mage is the best healer because it has the best aesthetics. Fight me.
and summoner is the best physical ranged dps because is the most colored one
No, it's scholar! You get to turn into an angel like hello???? I just love fairies and angels, so maybe I am a bit biased
...have you seen Astral stasis, Oracle, and Sun Sign? :b
@@lushdontu4015 uh, you create wings as whm bro
Until you get level synced and start flinging mud
On this tier list, you ranked whm lower then astrol. Are you ranking dps or healing? Whm provides dps, but is designed specially for healing.
Not much of a point in ranking by just healing. Since they can all heal well just fine. At that point its about other things outside of just can it heal
AST has way better mitigation/shielding than WHM. It also has a slew of ogcd heals that heal faster than WHM's big reliance on gcd healing, which could lead to a teammate dying just because the WHM was barely too late on the healing.
@@iPlayOnSpicaWHM has a lot of ogcd heals...if the whm is relying in gcd heals and letting the group die because of it, it's their own fault...ast has a lot more shields for sure and a lot more utility but when it comes to raw healing, whm is way better
@@sophiastorm8616 unfortunately due to the nature of this game, pure healing is less than shield healing and mitigation. If there was more consistent damage like the dot during bird extreme WHM would shine a lot more due to it's pure healing abilities.
@@christhagod whm has enough mitigation, I mean, I'm biased ofc, I'm a whm, but I can tell you that being out of ogcd healing is something that really doesn't happen...as for being out of mitigation (shields is a different matter) never happened, if anything else isn't available, there's always medica 2.
Don't get me wrong, I love ast, but whm is better in almost every sense except a few utilities.
And it's a lot easier and straightforward and that's a big plus in high-end
Crying as a Reaper main, as the job, in high end, and Optimization environments, continues to suffer. Still my bae the
same dude, rpr needs 5% on its raid buff.
Reaper is strong and easy. Why are you crying?
@@lushdontu4015 Isnt either strong and easy to master, what are you blabbing about
@Elaine19899 not when Sam,ninja and dragoon exists
@@lushdontu4015 its the second worst melee in the game from the perspective of the 99%. vpr is the worst.
Do a PvP tier list
Which Drg weapon was that in the thumbnail?
the abyssos spear, from p8s
@oowl1534 Ohh ok Thanks. I knew it looked familiar. But I can't place it.
Blm needs more power also DRKN
This comment section has zero knowledge of most jobs. Here and there you find truth about some but over all 98% of the takes in here are wrong and opinions based on what people told them or what they remember from when they played it once
Everyone thinks their job is the worst ever and everyone else is treated better. It’s hilarious.
i main viper and viper reaper should be B, goddamn, i didnt see anyone bringing it to FRU
Reaper needed a buff, but didn't get it :(
What's the weapon in the thumbnail?
Abyssos Partisan from Pandaemonium 8 Savage
DRK is better like warro right now
give 10 potency to fell cleave and warrior is good to go :D
People laughed when SCH got Expedience. I do not know how much it has helped my raid grp, but it def has been super beneficial.
Everything still seems balanced enough, but i feel bad that phys ranged just seems so screwed over still. Like something needs to be done.
i would personally switch out whm with astro or at the very least include it in s tier with the other 2. whm just has too much raw healing to not be in s tier. i have a max level scholar and whm and currently leveling asrto,(lvl 67) and i just dont see why anyone would choose astro over whm if given the chance. astro is probably better in highly coordinated statics (with their card buff ststem) but that doesnt really matter in randoms or casual statics and whm excels in randoms. you cannot underestimate how incredibly useful it is to solo heal in most duties that have a co healer. astro cant even out regen stack a whm (which i thought they might since they have 2 regular cards that affect healing. i cant remember if qeen card does regen. whm lilly bell regen is just too massive to beat) i feel like the 2 regen healers are in the same boat as the physical ranged: one is better depending on the situation. maybe my mind will change later as i get more skills unlocked on astro but from what i can see of their specialties, its feels wrong to put whm anywhere below s
I’ll b honest this list is really bad lmao
I never take these seriously lol and I'm a monk/melee main lol 😂
It's actually almost perfect, the vast majority of top players would agree with this list. This is also the best balancing we've ever had top to bottom dps is within 10% whereas before it used to be closer to 20%.
whats your list?
@@MisfitMonkey I have no idea who in their right mind would rank sage above scholar when spreadlo exists.
@@christhagod Spreadlo is a GCD, it's a waste of a gcd when you have BIS and optimal healing. Sage healing is massively in the lead, if Sage and Scholar were comparitively within 5% then Scholar would take the cake but Sage healing is enormous. It's so easy and effective to use and doesn't rely on slow pet abilties, it has way less APM needed, and it's damage is easier to use and understand. on Scholar you have to waste aetherflow to deal more damage. That's the exactly reason also that sage healing is so much better, scholar are using aetherflow to keep up in dps, when without the aetherflow damage scholar would be a lot lower in damage but still not equaling the healing (likely around 7%) It's just not a contest man... to anyone with eyes haha
Meta isn't that much of a thing in XIV... and you're also just plain wrong about tanks...
Okey, you're just plainly wrong about tanks. Gunbreaker is S-tier, the fact that DD only cost one Cartridge now just put it miles ahead the others. And DRK, while yes they are better than before, they're still nowhere near as good as PLD & WAR, putting DRK above B-tier is wild, sure their damage is better, but as a whole their package isn't even close to the other tanks, even with the buffs they're still the worst one.
I'm a DRK main. And they are by far the worst. Like. For me personally I wish they'd bring back mana management for higher dps instead of self sustain. I'm a tank i want to need my healer. Not steal their job. Idk. I just want the technicality of the job back and soul price. I honestly think a tweaked version of soul price would fix DRK in terms of self sustain but idk.
But I agree. They are the worst right now. And personally have been the worst since STB
Okay, you’re just plainly wrong about tanks.
Warriors go brrrr*healing*rrrrrr
I'm doing around 17.5 to 18k DPS on DRK on 724ilv (720 weapon, I started raiding very late). This is just blue parsing, nothing to sing songs about (between 50 and 55), but I'm swapping to Warrior because I'm MT and our OT refuses to play any job other than PLD. The DPS is great but it's not enough to carry and quite honestly I almost lost my mind last night squeezing out every tiny bit of mit out of my lackluster kit.
Sometimes I think Bard will never stack up in DPS to any other. Really sad ..
It used to be the top dps for a long time waaay back in the day
@ I don’t even need to be top… toss me happily in the middle but this just makes me want to change jobs.
2 bards in one party is the worst feeling ever
@@lushdontu4015 my gf plays dancer and when we do dungeons it feels so slow. I'm about at that point to just change.
Bard will never get major damage again after the ARR