Such a great feeling to see two great achievers "battling it out" So Leo meant that we ought to not focus a lot on the goal and instead focus on enjoying the journey of improving our lives. Tim on the other hand said that there is nothing wrong with focusing on/prioritizing the goal as long as the rest of our life is in balance. Just like Tim said: These two point of views are not mutually exclusive. Meaning that a person can do both of them at the same time. I am grateful for having had the opportunity to see this video... don't know what the rest of some of the commentators are whining about.
This discussion is very reminiscent of "The Practicing Mind" book. It's premise is that when you set out to do something, what will remain with you is the journey of achieving your goal. What matters is the process and not the end point. I found hat operating from this vantage point really helped me to be mindful of what I'm doing. Once you forget about the end point, you can free your focus from what's in the future and become grounded in the present.
Personally found a pattern of breath in (very few, if any goals - like Tim's wandering) followed by intense goal setting/chasing phases is both most enjoyable and most productive. My training is in exercise science and one of the biggest things people forget is to PLAN for rest time with no goals, no expectations. Applying planned rest to life is a much forgotten, but hugely helpful practice. Two great minds. Appreciated!
This interview is very intriguing. Many of the viewers find Leo's view as an opposition to Tim's belief but that's how the interview established the topic so that Tim could have something to reply to. If not, then Tim won't have the set-up he needs in order to elaborate, that's just the mechanics of the presentation. Despite the name of the video, "Leo vs. Tim" and all. I don't see anything too obvious between the two.
the more pro goal individual writes a book on everything seemingly with little direction. the con goal guy makes a direct point or argument which he sticks to throughout the video against goals.
I think the argument should rather be on the type of goals you set. Dan Pink writes in his book on "Drive" that learning based goals are far more effective for most people, in a motivation sense, than performance or outcome based goals. Instead on focusing on hard and defined performance outcomes in a confined time frame. You should rather seek to master things in your own time. Allowing yourself to learn from the process, failures etc, will lead to a far more fulfilling experience.
nahh now i have to reply to myself: Tim Ferriss is closed because at 15:19 you clearly see that Leo doesnt believe in goals and Tim DOES. I do to. Remove my goals and NOTHING excites me. Sorry for all zenmasters that want to look at the wall, BUT i NEED goals, excitement, challenges. I'm geared toward that. Zen is OK for 10 mins, after that give me a goal! otherwise i'll wither and die
Horrendous interviewing style. The idea of interviewing a mega name or cultural icon is to ask concise and entertaining questions, then let the guest speak. The first 4 minutes of this interview are cringe worthy to say the least. Adding several interruptions along the way, and talking about yourself only compounds the problem. Step up your interviewing skills sir.
+Andrew Brunner (Mississauga Condos) I am interested. When you say the first four minutes are cringeworthy, how do you mean? And what for you makes the interview style horrendous?
Such a great feeling to see two great achievers "battling it out"
So Leo meant that we ought to not focus a lot on the goal and instead focus on enjoying the journey of improving our lives.
Tim on the other hand said that there is nothing wrong with focusing on/prioritizing the goal as long as the rest of our life is in balance.
Just like Tim said: These two point of views are not mutually exclusive. Meaning that a person can do both of them at the same time.
I am grateful for having had the opportunity to see this video... don't know what the rest of some of the commentators are whining about.
This discussion is very reminiscent of "The Practicing Mind" book. It's premise is that when you set out to do something, what will remain with you is the journey of achieving your goal. What matters is the process and not the end point.
I found hat operating from this vantage point really helped me to be mindful of what I'm doing. Once you forget about the end point, you can free your focus from what's in the future and become grounded in the present.
Personally found a pattern of breath in (very few, if any goals - like Tim's wandering) followed by intense goal setting/chasing phases is both most enjoyable and most productive.
My training is in exercise science and one of the biggest things people forget is to PLAN for rest time with no goals, no expectations. Applying planned rest to life is a much forgotten, but hugely helpful practice.
Two great minds. Appreciated!
Great minds together... great!
Indeed! :-)
When you have your WHY...The goal is the destination...RELAX and pay attention....
Sandymaxfields I totally agree on the defensive posture thing.
Leo Babauta's blog used to have a lot on it about setting goals and reaching them. The no goals thing is relatively new.
Great interview - I really enjoyed that! :)
Jeez this zen guy is more hung up on goals than anyone I have ever met.
very interesting perspective on goals!
This interview is very intriguing. Many of the viewers find Leo's view as an opposition to Tim's belief but that's how the interview established the topic so that Tim could have something to reply to. If not, then Tim won't have the set-up he needs in order to elaborate, that's just the mechanics of the presentation. Despite the name of the video, "Leo vs. Tim" and all. I don't see anything too obvious between the two.
The haters just got scared thinking they're identity is at stake ;-)
thanks
Yin and Yang.. have a bit of both in your life. Work hard play hard.
the more pro goal individual writes a book on everything seemingly with little direction. the con goal guy makes a direct point or argument which he sticks to throughout the video against goals.
I think the argument should rather be on the type of goals you set. Dan Pink writes in his book on "Drive" that learning based goals are far more effective for most people, in a motivation sense, than performance or outcome based goals.
Instead on focusing on hard and defined performance outcomes in a confined time frame. You should rather seek to master things in your own time. Allowing yourself to learn from the process, failures etc, will lead to a far more fulfilling experience.
why do i feel when people start to "give up", they become more like leo as a form of justification to why or how they are giving up?
insightful
Tim Ferriss is a one-hit-wonder. He sold a book that plays on people's dreams to make $$$, it was a self-fulfilling prophecy for him.
Stop interrupting Tim!
Hummm great interview but closed posture from Tim. Damn body language!
nahh now i have to reply to myself: Tim Ferriss is closed because at 15:19 you clearly see that Leo doesnt believe in goals and Tim DOES. I do to. Remove my goals and NOTHING excites me. Sorry for all zenmasters that want to look at the wall, BUT i NEED goals, excitement, challenges. I'm geared toward that. Zen is OK for 10 mins, after that give me a goal! otherwise i'll wither and die
Horrendous interviewing style. The idea of interviewing a mega name or cultural icon is to ask concise and entertaining questions, then let the guest speak. The first 4 minutes of this interview are cringe worthy to say the least. Adding several interruptions along the way, and talking about yourself only compounds the problem. Step up your interviewing skills sir.
+Andrew Brunner (Mississauga Condos) I am interested. When you say the first four minutes are cringeworthy, how do you mean? And what for you makes the interview style horrendous?
Watch the proxemics Mr. Ferriss. You spend a lot of time sitting in defensive postures. It hurts your message.
the first 4 minutes were just blabber