I wouldn't mind to have either one! One day I'll maybe afford one, one day...till then my Fireball is fun and a heck of a lot cheaper while still giving me a Goblin experience. Keep up the good work SAB making amazing helis! Thanks and good business to Bert at BK Hobbies!
Very informative comparison. On the video the Kraken looks even better. Kind of looks like a modern super car with more straight lines than curves like the Thunder line. But mechanically and feature wise you covered it all. Thanks for the video!
I love the comment - this is where the serial number would be on a production model. Bert and Kyle don't have serial numbers because the factory give them helicopters. How awesome would that be!!!! More awesome than my flying skills unfortunately. I love the vids - thank you from Down Under!
Out of interest, isn't the drake the 'sport' 700, i.e. a cheaper version? Does that mean the Havok is also the cheaper one or is it more the main line of Goblin?
The Thunder Sport, Drake and Havok machines are all "value" machines, but with this said, they are pretty much identical to the original Goblin with the exception of G10 frames and the lack of a few "out of the box" upgrades, such as quick release canopy knobs, etc., but all in all, same as any other top of the line Goblin. Drake and Havok are the exact same where Drake is 2 blade in matte orange color and Havok is 3 blade in matte yellow color.
@@BertKammerer Ah nice, thanks for the reply! The various names are slightly confusing and i've just resorted to comparing the prices of the kits! There are just so many varieties of 700-800 machines, thunder, thunderbolt, comet, sport, havok, drake, kraken, the 770 sport, black nitro (which to be fair is fairly self explanatory) And the Kyle edition, which i'm leaning towards as i have a 380 kse already (And a 570, non sport) Last question if i may, is there what you would call an 'ultimate 700/770' which is considered the 'best' Goblin? Thanks again!
The Goblin Kraken is awesome Kraken good, hell yeah. Bert, I am gonna register on your site soon. Have left a long message earlier on, check it out yeeehaaa
Okay so I am so full of shit and was trying my damnedest to not like this model, however I ordered a preorder yesterday from BK. Damnit Bert..... Just Damnit cant wait to bend this bitch up...
@@pofrani At our shop, BK Hobbies, we're the only distributor for SAB in the USA. You can also buy at any shop in the US, but we put all these parts together, not cheap, several parts combined to make this work: www.bkhobbies.com/product-p/h0696-kit.htm
whats the flying weight ? also my guess i can use my castle 160hv esc. I have a 800dfc and a700e i want to get a goblin and use the electronics from the 700e i cant get parts for it i like the build on the kraken
The weight is heavily dependent on electronics and batteries, so hard to say because it depends on equipment. You should be able to use a Castle 160HV, I don't see an issue with that, all the electronics you have on your 700E (servos, FBL system, etc.) should work well on the Kraken.
@@BertKammerer in short i was just wondering how much if any lighter this heli would be and iam curious at the difference of sound with the sealed gear box being belt driven must be a real quiet bird just hearing the motor and wind in the blades must be nice. how much lighter then my 700e. that thing has a lot of parts im nt happy with it. iv had a lot of issues i will only fly with v bar from now on. i fly vbar in my 800 dfc just threw a neo in the 700e the kraken looks real sweet. a ot lighter
@@weasele1 It will not be lighter, weight compared to your 700E would be close to the same, just simpler, more modern design, the sealed gear box is bullet proof, works extremely well with zero maintenance for hundreds of flights.
@@BertKammerer ok thanks. i was beating up on my 700e at 1900 today i love v bar. the heli handled it well but i just dont like flying high head speed with it. I dnt trust all the ball links and linkages but iyt does fly well i leave the high head speed if i wnt to the 800dfc i just recently in the past 6 months bought a 800 dfc and the 700 cant really buy another heli right now
Hmmm. Maybe a replacement for my Protos 700. Since MSH took a shit in the USA. Parts are going to be a pain for it. Just can Kraken took a Xnova 50XX motor? Looks like it can.
Ya'll can purchase the new Kraken with all of it's revisions, new tech, new design, etc. as it compares to the original Goblin 700 models......I'm gonna sit back and wait to see what the flaws are in the new design and where the build integrity has been compromised with this newly designed 1st Gen Heli from SAB. Make no mistake, there surely will be plenty of explainable crashes by consumers due to design flaws that SAB will try to wash their hands clean of and deny. This was the case with the originally designed Goblin 700 and the endless boom strikes guys were having because of its flawed design not being well thought out by SAB. When they originally designed The Goblin 700, they failed to leave enough clearance between the top of the boom and the main blades; During mild and hard 3D Flight, where you have some main blade flex, consumers were getting boom strikes endlessly! SAB never owned-up to the flaw, but later redesigned a tail boom that provided more clearance (144mm+?) between the bottom of the main blades and the top of the tail boom. Hobbyists have good memories, we don't forget. I'm on the sidelines spectating rather than a $1,096 REKIT!
KefirTView hahaha. Your view is quite interesting. I have been in this industry forever and can’t remember ever meeting someone with so much creativity.
6 String Terror making a video to explain how a potential manufacturing tolerance error could cause a boom strike doesn’t have anything to do with the user comment “consumers were getting book strikes endlessly “. In any case, Synergys are awesome models and Matt is a good friend of mine. Glad to hear you’re supporting him. Goblins are not for everyone.
Love you Bert your the best Helicopter pilot Hands down. I love the review you gave the Kraken.
I wouldn't mind to have either one! One day I'll maybe afford one, one day...till then my Fireball is fun and a heck of a lot cheaper while still giving me a Goblin experience. Keep up the good work SAB making amazing helis! Thanks and good business to Bert at BK Hobbies!
I dont know where you are now, but I just got myself a goblin 580 which might be a nice step up for you
Very informative comparison. On the video the Kraken looks even better. Kind of looks like a modern super car with more straight lines than curves like the Thunder line. But mechanically and feature wise you covered it all. Thanks for the video!
Really good job of explaining the two helis Bert. I would like to have either one.
Always thought the tail setup of the goblin 380 was superior nice to see a similar setup in the Kraken. Saving my heli money now!
Those helis are badass!!!!! Great presentation
Remember when helicopters were popular? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
very nice Bert !!!
So cool! I am gonna have dreams about these. So amazing!
I just ordered a orange kraken 700 yesterday from heli direct. Cant wait to get it.
Crashed my kraken 580 and the repairs were very minimal and easy. Theses things are tanks!
might have to pick me one up haven't flown in years at Whittier
Great review Bert!..Appreciated. Warmth Regards, Umar Indonesia.
Great comparison vid BK! Getting My 580 Kracken in 3 days 😛.Looks to be a great machine!
Very nice
When are we going to see a Kraken 570 !? :) I have quite a few Goblins and 570 is my favorite size
A little late but already got one!
The Kraken 580 is my dream heli. Hopefully I will be able to get one in 2021
I love the comment - this is where the serial number would be on a production model. Bert and Kyle don't have serial numbers because the factory give them helicopters. How awesome would that be!!!! More awesome than my flying skills unfortunately. I love the vids - thank you from Down Under!
Thank you! :-)
I think I'll go with the Kraken... lot's of improvements. Very well thought out.
Any all-up weight difference?
Stringfellow Hawke weight on both is nearly identical. Kraken is lighter, but only by a few grams.
Looks like the fireball tail
Out of interest, isn't the drake the 'sport' 700, i.e. a cheaper version? Does that mean the Havok is also the cheaper one or is it more the main line of Goblin?
The Thunder Sport, Drake and Havok machines are all "value" machines, but with this said, they are pretty much identical to the original Goblin with the exception of G10 frames and the lack of a few "out of the box" upgrades, such as quick release canopy knobs, etc., but all in all, same as any other top of the line Goblin. Drake and Havok are the exact same where Drake is 2 blade in matte orange color and Havok is 3 blade in matte yellow color.
@@BertKammerer Ah nice, thanks for the reply! The various names are slightly confusing and i've just resorted to comparing the prices of the kits! There are just so many varieties of 700-800 machines, thunder, thunderbolt, comet, sport, havok, drake, kraken, the 770 sport, black nitro (which to be fair is fairly self explanatory) And the Kyle edition, which i'm leaning towards as i have a 380 kse already (And a 570, non sport) Last question if i may, is there what you would call an 'ultimate 700/770' which is considered the 'best' Goblin? Thanks again!
Unleash the 570 Kraken
The Goblin Kraken is awesome Kraken good, hell yeah. Bert, I am gonna
register on your site soon. Have left a long message earlier on, check it out yeeehaaa
Best heli company there is!
how is the newer slider holding up since its not supported from the top like the original?
I can see myself getting upgrades for my Fireball (fingers Crossed), I hope you guys can offer upgrades for existing helis.
Bert are you going to do a build video on the Kraken 560?
There is no 560. This is a 700 class machine, I am not sure about build video yet.
Okay so I am so full of shit and was trying my damnedest to not like this model, however I ordered a preorder yesterday from BK. Damnit Bert..... Just Damnit cant wait to bend this bitch up...
Can you tell me what upgrades you have on the Drake? Is that landing gear standard on the Drake?
The only upgrade on the drake is the landing gear, everything else is stock.
@@BertKammerer Thanks Bert = can you tell me where I can get the same upgraded landing gear pls?
@@pofrani At our shop, BK Hobbies, we're the only distributor for SAB in the USA. You can also buy at any shop in the US, but we put all these parts together, not cheap, several parts combined to make this work: www.bkhobbies.com/product-p/h0696-kit.htm
when will be available the tripal??
Kraken 500? Please make a 500 size kraken, i would buy a 6s version
i need to convert my 570. is sab making one?
No
Bert Kammerer rite to the point there Bert. 👌🏼
Hi Bert in goblin 700 Drake in tail wihch servo you use ?
Rainbow Douro this particular Drake has the DS-7005HV servo in the tail.
whats the flying weight ? also my guess i can use my castle 160hv esc. I have a 800dfc and a700e i want to get a goblin and use the electronics from the 700e i cant get parts for it i like the build on the kraken
The weight is heavily dependent on electronics and batteries, so hard to say because it depends on equipment. You should be able to use a Castle 160HV, I don't see an issue with that, all the electronics you have on your 700E (servos, FBL system, etc.) should work well on the Kraken.
@@BertKammerer in short i was just wondering how much if any lighter this heli would be and iam curious at the difference of sound with the sealed gear box being belt driven must be a real quiet bird just hearing the motor and wind in the blades must be nice. how much lighter then my 700e. that thing has a lot of parts im nt happy with it. iv had a lot of issues i will only fly with v bar from now on. i fly vbar in my 800 dfc just threw a neo in the 700e the kraken looks real sweet. a ot lighter
@@weasele1 It will not be lighter, weight compared to your 700E would be close to the same, just simpler, more modern design, the sealed gear box is bullet proof, works extremely well with zero maintenance for hundreds of flights.
@@BertKammerer ok thanks. i was beating up on my 700e at 1900 today i love v bar. the heli handled it well but i just dont like flying high head speed with it. I dnt trust all the ball links and linkages but iyt does fly well i leave the high head speed if i wnt to the 800dfc i just recently in the past 6 months bought a 800 dfc and the 700 cant really buy another heli right now
is the kraken tail boom and canopy fiberglass?
Billy Sventzouris carbon fiber
woww colllll...
Hmmm. Maybe a replacement for my Protos 700. Since MSH took a shit in the USA. Parts are going to be a pain for it. Just can Kraken took a Xnova 50XX motor? Looks like it can.
Jon yes 50XX motor fits fine!
Bert Kammerer awesome. Thanks.
Good olde design obsolescence in action. Why change a tried and tested formula !
andy the gardener because people always want something new.
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I will get one, but really don't like the watermark covering up the bottom left of my screen.
the old Kraken Battery place system looks much bether then the new kraken, the new is hanging, you need alway battery supporter
Ya'll can purchase the new Kraken with all of it's revisions, new tech, new design, etc. as it compares to the original Goblin 700 models......I'm gonna sit back and wait to see what the flaws are in the new design and where the build integrity has been compromised with this newly designed 1st Gen Heli from SAB. Make no mistake, there surely will be plenty of explainable crashes by consumers due to design flaws that SAB will try to wash their hands clean of and deny. This was the case with the originally designed Goblin 700 and the endless boom strikes guys were having because of its flawed design not being well thought out by SAB. When they originally designed The Goblin 700, they failed to leave enough clearance between the top of the boom and the main blades; During mild and hard 3D Flight, where you have some main blade flex, consumers were getting boom strikes endlessly! SAB never owned-up to the flaw, but later redesigned a tail boom that provided more clearance (144mm+?) between the bottom of the main blades and the top of the tail boom. Hobbyists have good memories, we don't forget. I'm on the sidelines spectating rather than a $1,096 REKIT!
KefirTView hahaha. Your view is quite interesting. I have been in this industry forever and can’t remember ever meeting someone with so much creativity.
Damnit................1124.04 Later I will have one.....
6 String Terror making a video to explain how a potential manufacturing tolerance error could cause a boom strike doesn’t have anything to do with the user comment “consumers were getting book strikes endlessly “. In any case, Synergys are awesome models and Matt is a good friend of mine. Glad to hear you’re supporting him. Goblins are not for everyone.
@@BertKammerer I lied was talking myself out of it, I bought one from you yesterday, wanted to say thanks and cant wait for it to come.
By the way when are they shipping, still may 9th the website was funky for awhile....
Do any of you just fly helis for the joy, or is it always about this wanky trick shit?