“I’m a small time guy, it’s not a big deal to me.” Not a big deal, guys. He has only spent a few hours the past few days ranting about it and thinks TH-cam should change it. Obviously not a big deal.
Very interesting how he used to hype the shit outta members saying how much it “helps the community” and “tis the season” but the second he’s not making money from it “they are now worthless” and he quits tracking them. Very interesting indeed.
Same reason kogaming got de-partnered. Wasn’t making the money he felt he was entitled to. Of course he use to say it was blacklisted and can never be monetised again. Just being honest
@@KillaK78 Ripping off people's content to make money is not exactly ethical either? But what do I know? It's fair use right? Imagine judging a man 24/7 for money? Who cares? Every little inconsistency seems to be about money.
@@deegee2416In regards to your las sentence, guess why thats the case? Cuz he only talks about money lol and he also loves to lie about everything, therefore: the more he talks about money = the more lies or “inconsistencies” there are about his money…is not rocket science, but judging by your other comments you seem to be a dent. Are you jay? Nah, you know how to write. Derich? OIC? who are you
“Tis the season for giving! It would be really nice to buy some memberships for fellow viewers!” *one week later.* “We are no longer tracking or doing memberships because I’m not getting the money I should.”
I’ve said this before, but if Phil actually had as many paying members and fans as he claims, this wouldn’t even be happening. He is solely reliant on gifted memberships for over 80% of his current member count
Yep. 3.99 in USD is unfortunately worth a lot for the average Argentinean, compared to how we value that. TH-cam isn't that ignorant that it would charge the equivalent USD conversion for all memberships internationally. But of course Phil is that ignorant.
TH-cam having regional pricing, letting just anyone, in any currency send superchats... Unbelievable! They should really get their Ackt together! Snort!!!!
6:10 he is so spiteful lmao "Yeah enjoy youll have it for the month" in the most condescending tone possible cant wait for that 30 days to tik by. BTW THIS WOULDNT HAVE HAPPEND IF HE DIDNT OPEN HIS MOUTH AND TELL YOU STEP BY STEP HOW TO DO THIS. IT PROB WOULD HAVE STOPPED ON ITS OWN BUT HE OPENED THE CAN OF WORMS HIMSELF
What does this have to do with what he did wrong? He is getting spam, and he is dealing with it. I know the goal is to tell us how unethical DSPgaming is day, noon, and night.
it's so crazy, you can skip 250 pre stream and just by looking you can imagine the rant he did, the way he did and how this will bite him in the axx later. definition of insanity, way to go pill, foward to plug off internet please
Phil doesn't realize that if all his legit members have cheap memberships, they won't be able to get the real memberships when someone decides to drop a bunch of real memberships.
So what happens when actual people from those regions want to gift memberships? Do they get a ban for wanting to support you Phil? You just can't take such drastic action so quickly.
Alternative path: lean into it. Become the channel with the most memberships. Let the loophole draw others in. And wait for the end of the stream and do the math to convert the highest SC and post it for the next day. Man, two opportunies to make money long term cut off because "it's my money and I want it now!"
Phallus' distress really makes me laugh out loud!! 😂😂😂😂😂 The panic is making his voice tremble just a liddle! 🤭🤭🤭🤭🤭😂🤣😂 NECESITO ESE DINERO REALMENTE LO NECESITO! xx
That's so disgusting? I guess this is going to be discussed for the next 20 years? Why are you helping Doodystreams make money with no OrIgInAL cOnteNt?
Phil could be screwed here, if these people just donate slowely on seperate accounts you could fill up his entire viewer base with fake memberships so no one can actually give any real memberships because you don't have anyone to claim them lol
Also a waste of money because he will ban you instantly for "exploiting" youtube and giving him pennies. Go use that money on cheap memberships instead and flood him with "fake memberships".
It's just like when he got 10 memberships from TH-cam to give out for free. He literally said that they are worthless as he didn't get any money for them. In his eyes, if somebody gets a free or argentinian membership, they are filth, because they get something they didn't deserve as they didn't give him money.
I love how Phil is always just a month away from being better an financially! It’s always “next month everything will Be great but this month (insert excuse) It is holding me back. It isn’t my fault, or yours.”
I like that his only response is to ignore it because the people doing it apparently only want attention. But if it keeps happening and drowns out his full priced memberships, they get what they want without needing the attention. Also, the snorts and snot gulps are off the charts in this clip. 🤮
He himself admits he doesn’t understand currency conversion. But won’t accept the fact that those gifted memberships got paid out to him. He expects every memberships to be 3.99 😅 what a loser
It’ll be a disaster when all your members are Argentinian lol, can anyone explain how it works when Phil’s been gifted more memberships then he has total viewers on his streams?
From what I can gather, it goes to subs on his sub list. So... the menberships need to be higher than his sub count and then who knows what will happen. Problem is, he has like 208k subs, that's a lot of memberships, even at the Argentinian regional pricing.
5:23 Of course it will hurt him, if somebody that wants that membership and they gonna pay the 5 dollars that it cost for it but they get it for free and phil gets like 2 cents for that suscription thats gonna punch in phils wallet like mike tyson, just the mere thought that this guy has a business degree is amazing
He says he doesn't understand what the trolls are getting out of it, as if he hasnt been complaining about it and obsessing over it for the last couple of days
Narcissistic, hard to grip it Dark and wicked, arts prolific Mars with the stars, this is far lifted Lyrics: quit the Bawitibaw; scriptures are terrific
He literally loses nothing with these cheap memberships.. I dont get what the complaint is. It costs youtube and DAVE nothing for a membership why wouldnt a poorer country have a lower price point. I just dont get it
"Gifted memberships only started popping up a mont ago, they just started adding it to some of these services." I call bullshit on that one, I've been seeing them pretty much since gifted memberships became a thing on youtube 5. He probably just figured out that it's toggleable because after 15 years he still has no idea what he's doing.
The names where not making fun of his family... one person was named nakita and the other was named doody and he had 0 clue they wherent legit Also hes breaking tos you arent allowed to hide your memeber numbers to artificially increase engagement
I have a working theory. with this membership "drama" as Phil would call it going on, he doesn't want it to go into the documentary because he knows it makes him look bad. Oh and on a side note because the comment I left on the last video was long, it's absolutely hilarious that Phil thinks he can put his foot down and say that the documentary is "canceled". Mike may or may not still make it without his input, but he doesn't seem to understand that.
Its quite interesting since i myself dont underrstand much how this membership works but what other been saying is the membership DSP got are real but not the amount he desire. So what is the issue? money is money and its not like its gonna change his dents right?
he just wanna get memeberships from "first world countries" cause otherwhise he would get like 2 cents for eachmemebership due to inflation instead of the 2-3 dollars he usually gets
It’s not an exploit. People with strong currencies do this in foreign countries where to exchange rate is favorable whether it’s food, clothes, land or housing.
Easy money for Doody Streams? Doody streams did nothing wrong? Making money off of other people's content. There, I can do it too. You guys are so original.
Not a chance in hell he ignores this he will complain about this every day he doesn't make tips his about two weeks away from blowing his stack after the next TH-cam check us nothing this basically insures all memberships will be free no one will support us glorious and couldn't of happened to a better person
5:32 so he doesnt care about it but he going to make multiple segments about it, okay. (we all know its affecting him really bad thats why he is doing it lol)
"His real issue is money" Oh Rly? Maybe he is in cahoots with doodystreams? Why does DoodyStreams need to make money? That awful money that people need to survive.
@@deegee2416 I’m not saying people do not need money to survive, it essential. He promoted gifted memberships as a way to help his community enjoy his perks. He also claimed to be doing this not for the money but for his viewers. Funny how once he found out he wasn’t being compensated for the memberships, he called them obnoxious and meaningless. All he cared about was the money that he expected to make from them. You’re miles away from the snortfort my friend.
@@stkjuice Ugh? You are not hearing me. If everything is about money in this world. Everyone can just sit there and make the claim, that he is just doing it for money. Of course, he put KaT on, maybe to boost views and for other various reasons? Every little inconsistency he does is for money, according to you guys. If DSPGaming killed a spider, it would be breaking news to you guys. Heck, you can say I'm only nice to customers at my retail job because I only get paid to do so. He is just doing it for the money. This is getting to be an old, boring meme. The rest is a manipulation tactic to take things out of context. As for your claim. This was taken out of context with someone else's claim This was my reply on watch id v=wc7WJ4yQRmI . Another doody video (where he makes money; I thought I would point that out). You guys like to do that as well @autismogranturismo @autismogranturismo 1 hour ago 6:16 No benefits to being a DSPGaming member. 8:44 GIANT benefits to being a DSPGaming member. @8:44 he didn't say that LOL? Nice you took it out of context. @deegee2416 4 days ago @wpeniche Play the video 40 seconds before the time stamp at @8:44. My point was the statement was taken out of context.
He’s not gonna talk about it anymore guys after this right now he’s not gonna pay it any attention !! Ok Phil. You definitely won’t be going on daily 20+ minute rants about the exact same thing again and again lol
“I’m a small time guy, it’s not a big deal to me.” Not a big deal, guys. He has only spent a few hours the past few days ranting about it and thinks TH-cam should change it. Obviously not a big deal.
I like when he said there's no way it could hurt his business and then a minute later explained how it could hurt his business
He’s such a broken record. Same 10 or so pignosis lines over and over and over
Very interesting how he used to hype the shit outta members saying how much it “helps the community” and “tis the season” but the second he’s not making money from it “they are now worthless” and he quits tracking them. Very interesting indeed.
He always proves himself wrong. Gotta love how he does that eventually
Same reason kogaming got de-partnered.
Wasn’t making the money he felt he was entitled to.
Of course he use to say it was blacklisted and can never be monetised again.
Just being honest
This comment is anti Semitic 😂
@@KillaK78 Ripping off people's content to make money is not exactly ethical either? But what do I know? It's fair use right? Imagine judging a man 24/7 for money? Who cares? Every little inconsistency seems to be about money.
@@deegee2416In regards to your las sentence, guess why thats the case? Cuz he only talks about money lol and he also loves to lie about everything, therefore: the more he talks about money = the more lies or “inconsistencies” there are about his money…is not rocket science, but judging by your other comments you seem to be a dent. Are you jay? Nah, you know how to write. Derich? OIC? who are you
“Tis the season for giving! It would be really nice to buy some memberships for fellow viewers!”
*one week later.*
“We are no longer tracking or doing memberships because I’m not getting the money I should.”
But Phil said it wasn’t about the money the entire time(only the dents believed that). Argentina memberships lmao 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I’ve said this before, but if Phil actually had as many paying members and fans as he claims, this wouldn’t even be happening.
He is solely reliant on gifted memberships for over 80% of his current member count
Would love to hear his calls to youtube demanding poor people not be allowed to buy memberships at a reasonable price.
Yep. 3.99 in USD is unfortunately worth a lot for the average Argentinean, compared to how we value that. TH-cam isn't that ignorant that it would charge the equivalent USD conversion for all memberships internationally. But of course Phil is that ignorant.
TH-cam having regional pricing, letting just anyone, in any currency send superchats... Unbelievable! They should really get their Ackt together! Snort!!!!
Sir Moist and KeemStar should be making up the difference! How will the piggy have enough monies for his Hogans!
@@GinSoakedBrain
Would DSP stop wasting his money on WWE Champions if someone sent him a lifesize Hogan doll in speedos?
I would but, not DSP.@@Pikkabuu
That is the "support" and "engagement" he has been asking for 😅🧐
6:10 he is so spiteful lmao "Yeah enjoy youll have it for the month" in the most condescending tone possible cant wait for that 30 days to tik by. BTW THIS WOULDNT HAVE HAPPEND IF HE DIDNT OPEN HIS MOUTH AND TELL YOU STEP BY STEP HOW TO DO THIS. IT PROB WOULD HAVE STOPPED ON ITS OWN BUT HE OPENED THE CAN OF WORMS HIMSELF
He can't help trying to showoff pretending that he was intelligent enough to figure it all out.
Phil did nothing wrong. He did everything correct. When something doesn't go his way it's because someone else didn't do their job.
What does this have to do with what he did wrong? He is getting spam, and he is dealing with it. I know the goal is to tell us how unethical DSPgaming is day, noon, and night.
@@deegee2416 he did nothing wrong. He did everything correct and some dumb idiot Cammy player can just button mash their way to master. Not fair
@@v1sudo Alright,
DSPGaming: I did something wrong.
90-95% of the time like real tawlk!
He speaks the truth! lol
If TH-cam sets pricing for memberships wrong, why would he trust Google to convert currency correctly?
They don’t mean anything if they don’t make you any money? I thought memberships were meaningful to the community?
"IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MEANINGFUL CURATED CONTENT...NEVER MONEY...RIGHT?...RIGHT?....VERY WELL"
Phil: "Alright I'm gonna ban this idiot. Ack ack ack. That's not what I said. You're a morahhn."
Oh he will keep tracking them, he just won't put it on the stream and ebeg on his discord.
he cant hide how much he hates his new members cuz they got it for the low
I have noticed he pulls out a big snort when he's about to lie
Meanwhile on the Sidescrollers podcast he didn’t even snort once and we knew he was lying the entire time
@@DanielHernandez-pq5cs he did a 14 minute long snort before turning his camera on
"I have noticed he pulls out a big snort when he's about to lie" That would be a good click bait title? Humor in your own world......
Breaking TOS but is untouchable by TH-cam. Meanwhile people who doesn't break TOS, TH-cam goes down hard with the banhammer.
Makes me wonder why TH-cam is protecting him.
@@DJJunkfoodJay Because he has severe autism...and may be gay...
What did you expect from the monkeys that allows sniper wolf to remain on their platform
@@silverdollar1989 True
Phil just needs to speak the truth to get ban ban ban but since he's full of shit it won't happen
Only true fans who pay full price in USD count, but you can still use the new emotes if you're one of the 600 shadow members 😂🤣😂🤣
I feel like everyone should spam those new emotes. That will remind him every time that those are just fake gifted members. 😂
"I need that money. To pay MUH bills"
2 big bills
Phil thinks he was smooth when he had OIC or whomever set up those view bots that last time he got a massive member bomb drop.
“just ignore the trolls and they go away” he said, as he ranted about them for 20 minutes
The piggy is mad *snort*
I don’t think I’ve ever seen piggy so salty 😂
it's so crazy, you can skip 250 pre stream and just by looking you can imagine the rant he did, the way he did and how this will bite him in the axx later.
definition of insanity, way to go pill, foward to plug off internet please
Monopoly of ethics. DSPGaming was so wrong to point that out.
Phil doesn't realize that if all his legit members have cheap memberships, they won't be able to get the real memberships when someone decides to drop a bunch of real memberships.
So what happens when actual people from those regions want to gift memberships? Do they get a ban for wanting to support you Phil? You just can't take such drastic action so quickly.
You get banned if you are from a poor country. Its the law now in the united states of phil.
Imagine if Argentina sends 🐷 his income tax bill
I really hope the Argentina dents gift to Dsp reacts LOL can you imagine ??? 😂
“It’s not allowed” yeah, like that stopped people from doing what they want before. What a Karen.
If enough are constantly given he'll never get the 3.99 ones.. doesn't have enough people to block it out.. it's genius
Alternative path:
lean into it.
Become the channel with the most memberships.
Let the loophole draw others in.
And wait for the end of the stream and do the math to convert the highest SC and post it for the next day.
Man, two opportunies to make money long term cut off because
"it's my money and I want it now!"
Phallus' distress really makes me laugh out loud!! 😂😂😂😂😂 The panic is making his voice tremble just a liddle!
🤭🤭🤭🤭🤭😂🤣😂
NECESITO ESE DINERO REALMENTE LO NECESITO! xx
"This doesn't affect me in any way" also "We have to turn off..."
Dude he snorted like 15 times in this video, disgusting.
That's so disgusting? I guess this is going to be discussed for the next 20 years? Why are you helping Doodystreams make money with no OrIgInAL cOnteNt?
@@deegee2416 uh oh we got a guy with Phil’s remorse! Get em outta here.
@@deegee2416 yet you’re here looking at the content.
I thought it was not about the money just the support and positivity has most members ever and hes just mad about the money
Phil could be screwed here, if these people just donate slowely on seperate accounts you could fill up his entire viewer base with fake memberships so no one can actually give any real memberships because you don't have anyone to claim them lol
That's the plan. 😊
It would be a shame if every couple of minutes he got a super chat that was only worth a few cents
Also a waste of money because he will ban you instantly for "exploiting" youtube and giving him pennies. Go use that money on cheap memberships instead and flood him with "fake memberships".
@@DarksydePhilip if we replace all his members with argentinian members he will have no revenue 🤣
for the 3000ths time ITS PRICE LOCALIZATION
Nice, you know it hurts him to take it down and his special dents. Down with all money tracking shenanigans!
It's just like when he got 10 memberships from TH-cam to give out for free. He literally said that they are worthless as he didn't get any money for them. In his eyes, if somebody gets a free or argentinian membership, they are filth, because they get something they didn't deserve as they didn't give him money.
im gonna donate a couple argentina memberships as messi lmao
Watching this trainwreck is so enjoyable. He begged for memberships. Well he got em.
I thought the trolls cant do anything? Hes ignoring THEM!
I love how Phil is always just a month away from being better an financially! It’s always “next month everything will
Be great but this month (insert excuse) It is holding me back. It isn’t my fault, or yours.”
Don't stop supporting the channel, even thought it looks like im balling in money! 🤑💰
"Don't Cry for Me Argentina"
I like that his only response is to ignore it because the people doing it apparently only want attention. But if it keeps happening and drowns out his full priced memberships, they get what they want without needing the attention.
Also, the snorts and snot gulps are off the charts in this clip. 🤮
Wasn't it just the other week that he said its the smaller channels that get affected more? Now it's big streamers?
Why would his husband oic waste 2k in memberships when he can use a VPN and waste 2 dollars
He himself admits he doesn’t understand currency conversion. But won’t accept the fact that those gifted memberships got paid out to him. He expects every memberships to be 3.99 😅 what a loser
It’ll be a disaster when all your members are Argentinian lol, can anyone explain how it works when Phil’s been gifted more memberships then he has total viewers on his streams?
From what I can gather, it goes to subs on his sub list.
So... the menberships need to be higher than his sub count and then who knows what will happen.
Problem is, he has like 208k subs, that's a lot of memberships, even at the Argentinian regional pricing.
I stand with Argentina 🇦🇷
Don’t cry for me Argentina!!
With this and cancelling the documentary, if this isnt full defense mode, I dont know what is. The pig is clearly shaking in his hoofs here.
Alguien me explica porque DSP tiene la bandera Argentina en su stream ? Ya bastante mal estamos como para sumar esto jaja
Season 16 is not even a month old and already on 🔥🔥
5:23 Of course it will hurt him, if somebody that wants that membership and they gonna pay the 5 dollars that it cost for it but they get it for free and phil gets like 2 cents for that suscription thats gonna punch in phils wallet like mike tyson, just the mere thought that this guy has a business degree is amazing
#GENIUS xx
still got them pajamas on 😂
He says he doesn't understand what the trolls are getting out of it, as if he hasnt been complaining about it and obsessing over it for the last couple of days
He must be really mad. He was snorting every other sentence.
Narcissistic, hard to grip it
Dark and wicked, arts prolific
Mars with the stars, this is far lifted
Lyrics: quit the Bawitibaw; scriptures are terrific
He literally loses nothing with these cheap memberships.. I dont get what the complaint is. It costs youtube and DAVE nothing for a membership why wouldnt a poorer country have a lower price point. I just dont get it
In his mind (he might be right, we are talking about dents) that by having high members he won't get any "support"
"Gifted memberships only started popping up a mont ago, they just started adding it to some of these services."
I call bullshit on that one, I've been seeing them pretty much since gifted memberships became a thing on youtube 5. He probably just figured out that it's toggleable because after 15 years he still has no idea what he's doing.
He just canceled the documentary
He went from saying “it doesn’t affect me” to “it’s hurting the channel”
The worst liar
This wont last 36hrs
He’s low on phasitivity because he pre spent all that membership money he thought he had on WWE champions
Oh wow we can't track members and have an ever shifting upwards goal of members that benefits nobody whatsoever pther than phil
The names where not making fun of his family... one person was named nakita and the other was named doody and he had 0 clue they wherent legit
Also hes breaking tos you arent allowed to hide your memeber numbers to artificially increase engagement
On his street fighter stream there was someone named derichlovesbbwkat and justgiveherapill that gifted members
Doesn't this regard say he makes a good living like every week wtf
Keep on trolling brothers.😂😂😂
The real question is ...Who would want a membership or buy a membership from this Lunatic
I have a working theory. with this membership "drama" as Phil would call it going on, he doesn't want it to go into the documentary because he knows it makes him look bad.
Oh and on a side note because the comment I left on the last video was long, it's absolutely hilarious that Phil thinks he can put his foot down and say that the documentary is "canceled". Mike may or may not still make it without his input, but he doesn't seem to understand that.
I’m so happy Phil didn’t get that money. I’m happier that Phil didn’t get $1000 than if I found $1000 for myself
N.Korea mod enabled 😂😂😂
Its quite interesting since i myself dont underrstand much how this membership works but what other been saying is the membership DSP got are real but not the amount he desire. So what is the issue? money is money and its not like its gonna change his dents right?
he just wanna get memeberships from "first world countries" cause otherwhise he would get like 2 cents for eachmemebership due to inflation instead of the 2-3 dollars he usually gets
@@enriquerg8226 In other word every cent or penny is a blessing by this point.
Don’t cry for me Argentina
I wish Phil didn't make shit and watch him panic. Best footage
Anyone still traumatized from that second kat stream calling her fat twice
Didn't doodystreams say what DSPGaming does is unethical? He is not responsible for your actions.... I hope not...
@@deegee2416 Uhh yeah ik was jk
Doody please we need your word on this!
Doody streams did nothing wrong? Making money off of other people's content. There, I can do it too.
@@deegee2416 Hi PigRoach, Argentina sends their regards!
It’s not an exploit. People with strong currencies do this in foreign countries where to exchange rate is favorable whether it’s food, clothes, land or housing.
Big ups "The Exploit"
Easy money for Doody Streams? Doody streams did nothing wrong? Making money off of other people's content. There, I can do it too. You guys are so original.
whats the super cheap membership country? Anyone know the actual country
This benefits oic pocket
TROLLS WIN
Tried to destruct his content SNORRRRT
Don't cry for reee Argentinaaaa... snort!
Not a chance in hell he ignores this he will complain about this every day he doesn't make tips his about two weeks away from blowing his stack after the next TH-cam check us nothing this basically insures all memberships will be free no one will support us glorious and couldn't of happened to a better person
For someone who doest pay any attention to the bullshit, Phil seems to know an awful lot about it
5:32 so he doesnt care about it but he going to make multiple segments about it, okay. (we all know its affecting him really bad thats why he is doing it lol)
Level 1/2
Snorting uncontrollably
Hey dsp if it’s not a big deal why then you take an hour talking about it talks out both sides of his mouth
Birds
cue that whiterun music he is salty af
Lol doller store phill
His real issue is money
"His real issue is money" Oh Rly? Maybe he is in cahoots with doodystreams? Why does DoodyStreams need to make money? That awful money that people need to survive.
@@deegee2416 I’m not saying people do not need money to survive, it essential. He promoted gifted memberships as a way to help his community enjoy his perks. He also claimed to be doing this not for the money but for his viewers. Funny how once he found out he wasn’t being compensated for the memberships, he called them obnoxious and meaningless. All he cared about was the money that he expected to make from them. You’re miles away from the snortfort my friend.
@@stkjuice Ugh? You are not hearing me. If everything is about money in this world. Everyone can just sit there and make the claim, that he is just doing it for money.
Of course, he put KaT on, maybe to boost views and for other various reasons? Every little inconsistency he does is for money, according to you guys. If DSPGaming killed a spider, it would be breaking news to you guys.
Heck, you can say I'm only nice to customers at my retail job because I only get paid to do so. He is just doing it for the money. This is getting to be an old, boring meme. The rest is a manipulation tactic to take things out of context.
As for your claim. This was taken out of context with someone else's claim
This was my reply on watch id v=wc7WJ4yQRmI . Another doody video (where he makes money; I thought I would point that out). You guys like to do that as well
@autismogranturismo
@autismogranturismo
1 hour ago
6:16 No benefits to being a DSPGaming member.
8:44 GIANT benefits to being a DSPGaming member.
@8:44 he didn't say that LOL? Nice you took it out of context.
@deegee2416
4 days ago
@wpeniche Play the video 40 seconds before the time stamp at @8:44. My point was the statement was taken out of context.
❤
He’s not gonna talk about it anymore guys after this right now he’s not gonna pay it any attention !!
Ok Phil. You definitely won’t be going on daily 20+ minute rants about the exact same thing again and again lol
The amount of money he gets from the gifted memberships goes down every time he talks about em. Once a liar always a liar