I lived in Lycia for 5 years or so. I used to watch the sunrise from a Lycian stone house/fortress on the top of hill while doing Yoga and exercise with the sun rising over the Taurus Mountains behind me.
Fascinating place. I learned to tell and show not touching ruins and avoid pushing on or walking on them (even large structures) to help preserve for future generations.
Yay, another video from Dr. Miano! I can't travel further than one US state away, myself, so watching these lets me live vicariously through them. I thank you for all you do. ❤❤
12:40 this theatre looks almost exactly the same as the one present in ephasus, Turkey. It's amazing how close the two are. You can definitely see the roman influences at this site.
The similarity between the Greek style facades of Lycian tombs with those of Petra in Jordan built by the Nabataeans surely can't be accidental though the Petra tombs are centuries later. Nabataean merchants lived in many parts of the Mediterranean world including in Pompeii so they may have seen the Lycian tombs and got inspired by them. Because of the Apollo sun god connection the word "Lyceum" from which the French, Italians and others got their word for "school" (Lycee and liceo) probably comes from the Lycians.And Santa Claus was the most famous Lycian of course!
Fantastic video as always, I always enjoy learning about the «lesser known» ancient cultures. Speaking of which, I would love to see a video about the ancient Guanch people of the Canary Islands. They have a rich history connected to the Romans and then to the later Spanish empire, and have quite a few interesting sites.
They're still sacrificing goats!?...and other stuff?? Yikes. Well, I loved the time I spent in Turkey, up by Istanbul and through the countryside to Gallipoli and Troy. I saw farm carts with stone wheels. Thanks, Tess and David, for showing wonderful ruins in the South and West of the country. Arykanda was great...and totally new to me. This whole video was spectacular.
When you traveled through Demre maybe you didn't recognize but Demre was the home of St. Nicholas, better known as Santa Claus. The place you stayed in the Noel Hotel is named after Noel Baba, the Turkish name for Father Christmas. You might have noticed the reindeer and the house style is supposed to be based on architecture from the far north of Europe.😁
If you're trying to be close to the Greek pronunciation it's still "lukian". Greek Y upsilon is close to ü /y/ (front u). In English it is unrounded to /i/ in the late OE period, but medial y remains in spelling words of Greek origin (or when someone is trying to be pretentious). Final y replaced i later for clarity, and c becomes a sibilant before front vowels (ch in native words, c pronounced /s/ in words from Romance languages and Greek [following Latin spelling]).
One of the best installments so far. Patara and Tlos are truly precious. When I visited Patara 30 years ago it consisted of a few stones poking out of the sand. What a transformation! Visitors could ride a camel down to the beach for a small fee.
This might be a silly question, but do we know when people started building arches? Like, were people in Sumeria, or around Gobekli Tepe implementing arches into their buildings, or was it a later thing? Also, the words are completely unrelated, but in Welsh, 'Tlos' means, 'pretty', or 'a fine thing', and Tlos definitely looked tlos
I think we pronounce the 'y' in some, if not many late Hellenic placenames incorrectly, and that it should almost be an apostrophe between the preceding and following letters. Almost a shortened, umlauted U. Which is why we know of Lukka which isn't Luck-a, but Looker/Luka. I don't think there was any sort of vowel-shift, but that the pronunciation was so close between an a, u and i that 'the writer' decided how people read their work. My personal hearing of different local Greeks saying 'Mycenae' often almost removes the y, resulting in what sounds like M'cenae. What I hear could be written any number of ways, but we say it's supposed to be written one way, and so we do. As (similar) linguistic evidence, in India, there are some distinct sword types, that we know as the tulwar and pulwar. In different regions, the written names warp to become the talwar and palwar, but the spoken word remains unchanged.
31:10 regarding the language differences in response.... While I was living in Senegal, west africa.. the people asked me to stop speaking English because the language was negative! Like answering, "No, I dont understand, Instead of, "yes, I don't understand".
I enjoy your videos, very much; they combine the best aspects of documentaries produced by film production companies (proffesional quality photography and sound) and the casualness of home movies, all the while being interesting and informative. There is something about which I am curious; I will state, up front, that I ask this, not to start a TH-cam comments brawl. I have noticed a shift in the pronounciation of the word "agora," in the past few years and was wondering where the change comes from; these shifts are a part of language progression, which is why we do not speak like Goeffrey Chaucer today. This was even the basis for a song in a classic movie, Ginger Rogers\ Fred Astaire's "Let's Call the Whole Thing Off!" ("You Say tomato...") So, can you enlighten me as to the shift; new scholarship in linguistics or an influencial scholar, such as yourself or Dr. Bettany Hughes using the pronounciation. Thank you for this video and I look forward to your future videos.😊
I was reading John Keay history of India the starting part is basically delves how crappy ancient Indians are at record keeping which makes Indian history so contentious. Do you think that what we know about history of India suffers from the lack of written material from let’s say between the period of 7500 BC in Bhirrana to until edicts of Ashoka? Do you think this fuel massive misunderstanding about among the Indian people? For example Brahmi script is supposed to come from Aramaic but I can’t find anywhere if this debate is settled or not unlike Kharosthi. Can you make video about it if possible Dr Miano?
I always think of the movie TYRANT OF LYDIA AGAINST THE SON OF HERCULES, 1963, Gordon Scott, When that region is mentioned. I did visit Ephesus many years ago.
Lycia from Greek λύκη=light - luce - lux - Lucia. Λῠκαῖος Ζεύς = bright Jupiter. Λύκος = wolf From Aeschylus.; there is a pun on the similar writing of the word "Λύκει ἄναξ, λύκειος γενοῦ στρατῷ δαΐῳ" = Lyceus king, be a wolf against the enemy's army.
I have always thought all of these huge or precision cut stones were made with lazers. Like many pieces of glass to concentrate the sun's rays. Or a water/sand mixture through a reduced pipe to make a powerful stream like sand blasting. There has to be some type of technology made from things that have disintegrated, so we just can't see it now.
I'm not black enough.. I ain't native enough.. I ain't Asian enough.. etc etc etc.. im mixed across the board.. yet I'm just "white".. this is why I don't believe in white or black as racial designation.. both my parents are mixed my grandparents are mixed.. hell my 3rd great grandpa hank nichols from Spanish guam was mixed.. and I don't mean "biracial" I mean mixed.. he alone was nigerian spanish indigenous Mexican chamorran.. etc etc etc.. he was the product of the spanish having kids with the people they brought from Spain to Nigeria and off through Mexico and then to guam.. where he was born.. he moved to Hawaii and got with my hawaiian indigenous chilean grandmother who was from kauai.. ululani kololina hipa... I mean do I look hawaiian.? That's just one branch of my family on my mother's side... I have blonde hair and blue eyes yet neither my parents nor my grandparents have blonde hair and blue eyes.. and from my great grandpa onward everyone is dark skinned dark eyes or light skinned with red hair like my mother.. and she has double heterochromia.. her eyes are both 2 different colors.. every color but blue.. and my father has dark hair and dark eyes.. I have pictures of my family.. I doubted my own heritage so much I got my dna tested.. and sure enough I guess I was everything I was told I was.. I'm literally mixed.. I built my family tree and learned about my heritage and sure enough.. I think the thing with really mixed up people when they have kids they just shuffle dna around.. it's like random.. I come up more english than my parents.. I come up more German than my parents as well.. my father's mother was from Germany.. but even she wasn't 100% German.. I think this is why my family constantly moved.. I don't think mixed people ever really fit in anywhere.. so they move on and end up mixing more.. this is why I say identity politics is nothing but inbreeding programs.. I'm native Hawaiian but not enough to qualify for the hawaiian homelands program.. even though I literally descend from the Alii nui of kauai.. that's the high chiefs.. shit princess ka'iulani was half scottish and if she had kids with anyone that wasn't hawaiian her kids wouldn't have been hawaiian enough to qualify for hawaiian homelands program here in hawaii.. people call me haole and it was my direct ancestors that actually fed all of polynesia when it was collapsing due to starvation.. we used to have pottery and writing and were an advanced civilization.. hence the moai.. and other megalithic structures.. but it was my ancestors that went to south America and got sweet potatoes.. they also took wives.. which is why I pull dna from indigenous south America.. and across all of the pacific.. it's kind of sad that people are reduced to the color of our skin rather than who we really are.. I'm just a haole in one of my many ancestral homelands.. I have countless generations of ancestors buried here but im not hawaiian enough to be treated with that same respect as a dark skinned hawaiian... sure I don't even have a hawaiian name.. I don't look hawaiian.. I don't look anything but white.. the funny thing is if you look at a side by side of me and my dark skinned great grandfather I look exactly like him just white.. im Lakota sioux blackfeet I certainly don't look to be that.. it only shows up as "plains indian" according to 23andme.. ancestry dna just says I'm north american indian.. my 3rd great grandmother Kathryn hayes gravley was born outside a trading post in minnesota to "a native woman" and an "irish" man only known as "hayes".. she was basically traded off like property and americanized.. she became a very prominent woman of Wyndham minnesota.. I literally have family all over the world... of all different colors and walks of life.. yet I'm just "white".. it's pretty insulting... to deny me my actual heritage just because im not "enough" for the standard.. I could go on for days about my heritage.. it's fascinating to know all the history and what it took just to make me.. my 2nd great grandfather came to Hawaii via the ss Bordeaux as a teenager from funchal portugal.. if my grandmother doesn't apply for dual citizenship with portugal I cant.. and once again im nit Portuguese enough even though I come from Portuguese royalty.. im a dasilva descendant.. even here in hawaii we became known as "the white hawaiians" and have a crazy history here in hawaii.. when most other Portuguese came to work the sugar cane fields my grandpa came and married into deposed hawaiian royalty.. and skipped the grunt work narrative.. but that's only because he learned English on his way to hawaii.. he was one of the 20 stowaways you can read about.. he was found and made the dr.s cabin boy who taught him english.. and when he got here he learned hawaiian.. started dasilvas general store.. and the rest is history.. I'm not native enough.. I'm not Portuguese enough.... I certainly ain't "black" african enough.. I ain't anything enough but "white".. #makeoctober8again
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I lived in Lycia for 5 years or so. I used to watch the sunrise from a Lycian stone house/fortress on the top of hill while doing Yoga and exercise with the sun rising over the Taurus Mountains behind me.
i hope this series never ends, i love seeing all the different ancient sites!!
I have explored Patara, xanthos, Tlos, Myra and others many times. Wonderful places. Thank you for your tour I really enjoyed it.
Fascinating place. I learned to tell and show not touching ruins and avoid pushing on or walking on them (even large structures) to help preserve for future generations.
Yay, another video from Dr. Miano! I can't travel further than one US state away, myself, so watching these lets me live vicariously through them. I thank you for all you do. ❤❤
Absolutely love your videos so excited too watch
Your videos are really great. I like the casual and yet very informative style. Thanks for taking us along.
Thank you for your very clear precise with a pop of popularity in your videos. It is really well done and I take my hat off to you
The tree sitting in the stands was the star of the show for me. Great video !
Fascinating. Enjoyed it.
Many thanks!
Great video bro keep it up ❤
This is just amazing. What a gift to us who could never afford to travel like this!
Wonderful, some of the best ancient sites I have ever seen. Neat adventures. Cheers
Its so cool to see such ancient architecture
Thanks Doc and Tess.
Love your trip videos💙 🕊
Happy travels always!
12:40 this theatre looks almost exactly the same as the one present in ephasus, Turkey.
It's amazing how close the two are.
You can definitely see the roman influences at this site.
Going to use this as a guide when I visit Turkey 😊
Thank you for the wonderful video.
The similarity between the Greek style facades of Lycian tombs with those of Petra in Jordan built by the Nabataeans surely can't be accidental though the Petra tombs are centuries later. Nabataean merchants lived in many parts of the Mediterranean world including in Pompeii so they may have seen the Lycian tombs and got inspired by them. Because of the Apollo sun god connection the word "Lyceum" from which the French, Italians and others got their word for "school" (Lycee and liceo) probably comes from the Lycians.And Santa Claus was the most famous Lycian of course!
That tree has claimed its seat and is not leaving without a fight.
Once you've been waiting that long you become committed.
Yay, I made a whole Lycia civilization on a Minecraft earth server, glad to see a video of it
Fantastic video as always, I always enjoy learning about the «lesser known» ancient cultures. Speaking of which, I would love to see a video about the ancient Guanch people of the Canary Islands. They have a rich history connected to the Romans and then to the later Spanish empire, and have quite a few interesting sites.
Dr. Milano reports … great piece
They're still sacrificing goats!?...and other stuff?? Yikes. Well, I loved the time I spent in Turkey, up by Istanbul and through the countryside to Gallipoli and Troy. I saw farm carts with stone wheels.
Thanks, Tess and David, for showing wonderful ruins in the South and West of the country. Arykanda was great...and totally new to me. This whole video was spectacular.
Consider grave robbing as trickle down economics.
Man, what a great sponsor bit
Thanks!
excellent.thks
When you traveled through Demre maybe you didn't recognize but Demre was the home of St. Nicholas, better known as Santa Claus. The place you stayed in the Noel Hotel is named after Noel Baba, the Turkish name for Father Christmas. You might have noticed the reindeer and the house style is supposed to be based on architecture from the far north of Europe.😁
I want to go there!!!
If you're trying to be close to the Greek pronunciation it's still "lukian". Greek Y upsilon is close to ü /y/ (front u). In English it is unrounded to /i/ in the late OE period, but medial y remains in spelling words of Greek origin (or when someone is trying to be pretentious). Final y replaced i later for clarity, and c becomes a sibilant before front vowels (ch in native words, c pronounced /s/ in words from Romance languages and Greek [following Latin spelling]).
No. λΥΚία
20:27 what card game were you all playing that has you pass a card!? That looks fun!!!
I can't remember now. It was either Tess's or Rachael's idea.
Food looked amazing ngl.
I've queued it up for viewing right after my constitutional! Memory lane for me!
One of the best installments so far. Patara and Tlos are truly precious. When I visited Patara 30 years ago it consisted of a few stones poking out of the sand. What a transformation! Visitors could ride a camel down to the beach for a small fee.
My eye read “ ancient _lycans_ “
and I did a double take
Werewolves
Are real!!
😅
Interesting that the hometown of Saint Nicholas was closed for sacrifices. This area would interest me more than Lapland!
The food 😍
This might be a silly question, but do we know when people started building arches? Like, were people in Sumeria, or around Gobekli Tepe implementing arches into their buildings, or was it a later thing?
Also, the words are completely unrelated, but in Welsh, 'Tlos' means, 'pretty', or 'a fine thing', and Tlos definitely looked tlos
Search for 'the Nippur arch' as an example of an ancient arch (~3800 BCE)
arches were Etruskan
cool video
I think we pronounce the 'y' in some, if not many late Hellenic placenames incorrectly, and that it should almost be an apostrophe between the preceding and following letters.
Almost a shortened, umlauted U.
Which is why we know of Lukka which isn't Luck-a, but Looker/Luka.
I don't think there was any sort of vowel-shift, but that the pronunciation was so close between an a, u and i that 'the writer' decided how people read their work.
My personal hearing of different local Greeks saying 'Mycenae' often almost removes the y, resulting in what sounds like M'cenae.
What I hear could be written any number of ways, but we say it's supposed to be written one way, and so we do.
As (similar) linguistic evidence, in India, there are some distinct sword types, that we know as the tulwar and pulwar.
In different regions, the written names warp to become the talwar and palwar, but the spoken word remains unchanged.
We should be kind to our history.
23:53 built with alien pickaxes
ew. how did i miss this one? i never got a bell
Lykia, Mykene, Skythia, Makedonia,
Yeah, I prefer the k pronunciation
Oh, and Nikæa , famous for the Council of Nikæa
Where did you get the hat?
31:10 regarding the language differences in response....
While I was living in Senegal, west africa.. the people asked me to stop speaking English because the language was negative!
Like answering, "No, I dont understand,
Instead of, "yes, I don't understand".
You say the guy named Modestus put up statues of himself and his fam? 🤔
Ha yes.
love this doc, no ambiguity, just data and fun with your better half🥰👍🏽
Glad you enjoyed!
The tree! 😮😅
My name is Lycia. I live on the second floor.
I enjoy your videos, very much; they combine the best aspects of documentaries produced by film production companies (proffesional quality photography and sound) and the casualness of home movies, all the while being interesting and informative. There is something about which I am curious; I will state, up front, that I ask this, not to start a TH-cam comments brawl. I have noticed a shift in the pronounciation of the word "agora," in the past few years and was wondering where the change comes from; these shifts are a part of language progression, which is why we do not speak like Goeffrey Chaucer today. This was even the basis for a song in a classic movie, Ginger Rogers\ Fred Astaire's "Let's Call the Whole Thing Off!" ("You Say tomato...") So, can you enlighten me as to the shift; new scholarship in linguistics or an influencial scholar, such as yourself or Dr. Bettany Hughes using the pronounciation. Thank you for this video and I look forward to your future videos.😊
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I was reading John Keay history of India the starting part is basically delves how crappy ancient Indians are at record keeping which makes Indian history so contentious.
Do you think that what we know about history of India suffers from the lack of written material from let’s say between the period of 7500 BC in Bhirrana to until edicts of Ashoka? Do you think this fuel massive misunderstanding about among the Indian people?
For example Brahmi script is supposed to come from Aramaic but I can’t find anywhere if this debate is settled or not unlike Kharosthi.
Can you make video about it if possible Dr Miano?
Was this area once called LYDIA ?
No, Lydia is just to the west of Lycia. However, when the Lydians created a small empire, Lycia was included in it.
I always think of the movie TYRANT OF LYDIA AGAINST THE SON OF HERCULES, 1963, Gordon Scott, When that region is mentioned. I did visit Ephesus many years ago.
The lichians invented the lollipop
They were the first people to like comments on TH-cam
What a beautiful place, I wish it were anywhere but Turkey because as a woman I would never go there to be able to see it for myself.
Uhm serious question, wth are you talking about? Do you think this is arabia or something??
@@HOPEfullBoi01 Turkey is a Muslim country, women are not safe there.
Why not? I have been many times safely.
Lycia from Greek λύκη=light - luce - lux - Lucia. Λῠκαῖος Ζεύς = bright Jupiter.
Λύκος = wolf
From Aeschylus.; there is a pun on the similar writing of the word "Λύκει ἄναξ, λύκειος γενοῦ στρατῷ δαΐῳ" = Lyceus king, be a wolf against the enemy's army.
"They made that with pounding stones and copper tools" ... and they probably hunted and gathered at the same time
I have always thought all of these huge or precision cut stones were made with lazers. Like many pieces of glass to concentrate the sun's rays.
Or a water/sand mixture through a reduced pipe to make a powerful stream like sand blasting. There has to be some type of technology made from things that have disintegrated, so we just can't see it now.
👍🏻
I don't think it's tradition.
I think they just really hate goats.
I mean they even burned the milk!
haha ta you cant take it with you !!!!
First!
tomb-raider tess :)
Lovely !!!
Myra eas beutiful
I watched the whole thing and not one werewolf, not one! Disappointed.
was going to watch, but cant stand your pronunciation of lycians
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Lycia
Not what I wanted to view... Someone else's vacation is not very historic
I'm not black enough.. I ain't native enough.. I ain't Asian enough.. etc etc etc.. im mixed across the board.. yet I'm just "white".. this is why I don't believe in white or black as racial designation.. both my parents are mixed my grandparents are mixed.. hell my 3rd great grandpa hank nichols from Spanish guam was mixed.. and I don't mean "biracial" I mean mixed.. he alone was nigerian spanish indigenous Mexican chamorran.. etc etc etc.. he was the product of the spanish having kids with the people they brought from Spain to Nigeria and off through Mexico and then to guam.. where he was born.. he moved to Hawaii and got with my hawaiian indigenous chilean grandmother who was from kauai.. ululani kololina hipa... I mean do I look hawaiian.? That's just one branch of my family on my mother's side... I have blonde hair and blue eyes yet neither my parents nor my grandparents have blonde hair and blue eyes.. and from my great grandpa onward everyone is dark skinned dark eyes or light skinned with red hair like my mother.. and she has double heterochromia.. her eyes are both 2 different colors.. every color but blue.. and my father has dark hair and dark eyes.. I have pictures of my family.. I doubted my own heritage so much I got my dna tested.. and sure enough I guess I was everything I was told I was.. I'm literally mixed.. I built my family tree and learned about my heritage and sure enough.. I think the thing with really mixed up people when they have kids they just shuffle dna around.. it's like random.. I come up more english than my parents.. I come up more German than my parents as well.. my father's mother was from Germany.. but even she wasn't 100% German.. I think this is why my family constantly moved.. I don't think mixed people ever really fit in anywhere.. so they move on and end up mixing more.. this is why I say identity politics is nothing but inbreeding programs.. I'm native Hawaiian but not enough to qualify for the hawaiian homelands program.. even though I literally descend from the Alii nui of kauai.. that's the high chiefs.. shit princess ka'iulani was half scottish and if she had kids with anyone that wasn't hawaiian her kids wouldn't have been hawaiian enough to qualify for hawaiian homelands program here in hawaii.. people call me haole and it was my direct ancestors that actually fed all of polynesia when it was collapsing due to starvation.. we used to have pottery and writing and were an advanced civilization.. hence the moai.. and other megalithic structures.. but it was my ancestors that went to south America and got sweet potatoes.. they also took wives.. which is why I pull dna from indigenous south America.. and across all of the pacific.. it's kind of sad that people are reduced to the color of our skin rather than who we really are.. I'm just a haole in one of my many ancestral homelands.. I have countless generations of ancestors buried here but im not hawaiian enough to be treated with that same respect as a dark skinned hawaiian... sure I don't even have a hawaiian name.. I don't look hawaiian.. I don't look anything but white.. the funny thing is if you look at a side by side of me and my dark skinned great grandfather I look exactly like him just white.. im Lakota sioux blackfeet I certainly don't look to be that.. it only shows up as "plains indian" according to 23andme.. ancestry dna just says I'm north american indian.. my 3rd great grandmother Kathryn hayes gravley was born outside a trading post in minnesota to "a native woman" and an "irish" man only known as "hayes".. she was basically traded off like property and americanized.. she became a very prominent woman of Wyndham minnesota.. I literally have family all over the world... of all different colors and walks of life.. yet I'm just "white".. it's pretty insulting... to deny me my actual heritage just because im not "enough" for the standard.. I could go on for days about my heritage.. it's fascinating to know all the history and what it took just to make me.. my 2nd great grandfather came to Hawaii via the ss Bordeaux as a teenager from funchal portugal.. if my grandmother doesn't apply for dual citizenship with portugal I cant.. and once again im nit Portuguese enough even though I come from Portuguese royalty.. im a dasilva descendant.. even here in hawaii we became known as "the white hawaiians" and have a crazy history here in hawaii.. when most other Portuguese came to work the sugar cane fields my grandpa came and married into deposed hawaiian royalty.. and skipped the grunt work narrative.. but that's only because he learned English on his way to hawaii.. he was one of the 20 stowaways you can read about.. he was found and made the dr.s cabin boy who taught him english.. and when he got here he learned hawaiian.. started dasilvas general store.. and the rest is history.. I'm not native enough.. I'm not Portuguese enough.... I certainly ain't "black" african enough.. I ain't anything enough but "white".. #makeoctober8again