@@blazewagon5677 This is such a ridiculous understatement that it seems intentionally disingenuous. Either that, or you've never actually USED a Mageblood, and this is copium talking. If Mageblood was "just a stat stick that auto presses flasks" it wouldn't be the most valuable chase unique in the game. The fact that you can basically cap resistances, give yourself massive move speed/armor/evasion etc. on a single item, allows you to do things like stack rarity, damage, whatever on every other slot. NO RARE BELT CAN REPLACE MAGEBLOOD.
@@jeremy1244 sure but, do you have 4 fingers that can press flasks? I mean. Headhunter + manual click. I feel like mageblood is only okay for controller yards lol. I've found 5 flat magebloods in 3.19 instantly sold them all, honestly not worth it.
Hey Subtractem! Thanks for giving magic find an honest try. I agree with a lot of what you say in this video. I do wish you hadn’t picked wandering path with deli mirrors strat, one of the very hardest. 😅 I think you would have enjoyed Jungle Valley low investment a lot more. At any rate, good luck in the future. Love the content.
I was able to afford my mageblood with a MF Carrion Golem Scion adding as much rarity as I could within my gear until finally going all out (adding Greed's, Ventors.) This might be my most profitable league so far! Thanks to Snoo and Colonnade/JV
Hey snoo and sub question. Would a death oath occultist using HH for defenses+curse on hit (to propogate explosions) do well with this strat or would rares be too tanky? Also what are your thoughts on just having giga packsize and abusing beyond?
if you go caustic arrow on the bow while using death oath on occultist it works fine, 5 link caustic arrow melts bosses while death oath takes care of trash mobs.@@TheBlackKnightmare
I'd be curious to see how the flask and rarity gem do with the alch-and-go plan compared to normal. It's very easy to fit those two into most builds without much effort.
Really looking forward to the "dedicated" video about your Hexblast build! I've been trying to make my own version of it but i can't seem to satisfy myself when i compare the way your build looks like to play :D
As an ancient D2 player I really enjoy having magic find as an option. In that game there were only really 2 builds which could do it and that didn't prevent the rest of the farms from being very much valid. To me it's fine not every build is able to mf so long as it stays one valid way of playing the game and not the META, cause it'd feel bad. The main problem in 3.19 was that all the emphasis was put on that particular playstyle, which with the loot nerf made a good chunk of the playerbase forget there were other ways to make currency. And just like that everyone wanted to go mf, even to the point where they nuke their build to do it, then either complain about the game being too hard or too elitist. The main wrong thing right now is that since the non-mf extreme top-end of the content is no longer as good as it used to be and most strats in that ballpark aren't as demanding build-wise anymore, you can just get away with slapping a HH on a zdps full mf build and call it a day, specially with how strong HH buffs are at 60s.
NGL, I really miss my dopamine hits from 3.17. I don't think a build like this would be viable for me, not time nor effort-wise. Not sure what the future leagues will bring but I'll keep my eyes on the development of things and try to figure out when to return.
3d/hr is far beyond any alch-n-go strat indeed. I would say, to drop one divine in an hour of active gameplay - is a very good result already, even 1d every other hour is not too bad.
I would use this strat halfway. I would use the flask and a couple more. I would run ~200 permanent magicfind but nothing crazy. Dont nerf damage by 50% and most importantly, dont nerf survivability 50%. It just feels bad. With this type of investment and build cost, only making 5-6 divines per hour is low. Just enjoy the game instead and earn the same with a better build.
Thanks for the video. As a some1 that makes like up 2 mirrors per leauge I hate idea of MF. I do enjoy alch + go and I will stick to it even if that means I'll make less. Fun > everything else. Cheers for video!
dont forget the extra quant and rarity from atlas, ontop of the increased map modifiers u also can get through travel nodes, atlas is a huge part of it aswell, as it determines what you farm, and as the game is now, abyss and legion i believe spawns the most rares and thats what u want since we hunting loot gobos now (thanks cuz i really played poe because i love d3 or something smh...)
i am interested in trying it for myself. so thanx for your impressions and a look into the world of mf. i play as a cold reap inq with mageblood so i look forward to swap some rings and flasks for more juice. because why not … i play on console and run t16 maps and actually i get every 3-4 maps a got touched. so more quantity should be awesome :)
I do the lakes and leave all the currency chest till the end then put on all MF gear and flask then open them. I have gotten divines doing that too lol!!
I really don't understand why they didn't throw arch nem and these loot goblins into the atlas tree. Would have been so much better for the league, currently taking a break from the game but love to see the content regardless
This is so obviously the solution. It's legit perfect for the atlas tree. If they really believe in AN, then they should believe in it enough to let us make the choice. They've already got the "add modifier to rares" mod.
I play so much the last days, weeks.. and find nothig.. spend more than 50 divine for juce maps.. 16+ 60-80 deli.. i find nothing.. it feels ggg wanna fuck me up.. so i quit this game & i‘m not sure i wann come back.. it feels so bad when run 200 maps and go out with nothing.
One of my rings has item rarity on it. That's my moderate investment lol. I'm with you about the whole concept on magic find on gear. I hate it, it defies the point of the whole game. If they can't base loot around how powerful you can make your character then they are failing imo. More power should equal more loot because you can do harder content which should be more rewarding. That's what's fun to play and that's what's fun to aim for. Who thinks "I can't wait until I have enough currency to be able to nerf my build into the ground so I can make more currency"
This statement is wrong on so many levels. But eh well u are playing the wrong game if you think that a arpg looter needs to scale loot with your whatever "stronger" character means. Just call me when you yourself figure out how a system will determine your strength and base the drops it generates, based on how "strong" you are. But remember most of those "weaker" characters are running the most stacked and hard mapping content available.
@@biohazardmilk631 I'm not saying you base the actual loot off the gear that people are wearing like there is some secret modifier that increases your loot drops. I mean that the hardest content in the game should only be doable in very good gear and the hardest content should drop the best loot.
@@smithers4420 the hardest content does drop good loot and you need to have good gear, or do you think a mf char consists of some random gear slapped together and u magically clear t16 maps with deli on them.
@@tensei2168 Hm perhaps, I just always felt that the +3 essence, +harbinger boss, extra blight bosses made it much more difficult than wandering path. Esp on top bonkers archnemesis
Personally I think magic find shouldn’t be on gear. Maybe it can be unlocked in the tree somewhere for a price in increments so you don’t have to sacrifice it on gear. I actually have be having a great time running a very similar strat to the Colonnade farm, and its soo much fun. Its just soo hard for a lot of builds to fit in mf. I can tell you this. For anyone doing this strat, I only have 2 voidstones. I put the strongbox mod on one and 8 mod corrupted map sextant on the other. I usually roll my own sextants. Wandering path is a must. Adds soo much quant and rarity even before getting alters. My character dies sometimes but i have patient cards coming out of my ass so it’s worth it. Ive had 5 drop in a map multiple times. Also im only doing T14 s. Still worth it. I just wish I could fit in more mf but its not possible with my build.
Or maybe a new Tree tied to your level/map progress or a paragon system that is a tree you can spec into rarity/mf as well as things like chance to dupe div cards or currency etc
What do you mean "the direction they want to go"? Magic find has been in the game since the beginning. Doing solo MF in some leagues has been more viable than others. I think it works in PoE just fine but of course it must be balanced so that it never becomes the "meta" of making solo builds.
As a console player on the xbox one s trying to play builds that I have to run through packs is a death sentence as I lag so much. So the ea ballistic is the only build I can run t16 with. I really wish GGG would optimize poe for console players considering console players spent more money then PC recently. Also I don't have a laptop or PC so no pob so I just wing it an had test ingame to get where I am at lvl95
Series S doesn't lag for me... or anyone else I know IRL, playing PoE. Either take good care of your system, or it's not your system and just may be your internet. EDIT: Mis-read One S as Series S.
@@voxii_13 yea probably internet then. I live in the sticks so we don't have good internet service out here. 10Mbps download an 0.75Mbps upload. An that's on good days. But I make due with what I got. Appreciate narrowing down why I die alot lol. Edit: Ah I just seen you saying series S. An yea I got the one s. I just have more challenges to over come lol.
@@iKeptIt2Reall Yeah your internet definitely is the culprit. :) The One S also doesn't help at all either. But you gotta deal with what you have right?
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Ah yes the casual mageblood build.
Put attributes on a rare belt and you already have a MB
MB is just a stat stick that auto presses (stronger) flasks
@@blazewagon5677 This is such a ridiculous understatement that it seems intentionally disingenuous. Either that, or you've never actually USED a Mageblood, and this is copium talking. If Mageblood was "just a stat stick that auto presses flasks" it wouldn't be the most valuable chase unique in the game. The fact that you can basically cap resistances, give yourself massive move speed/armor/evasion etc. on a single item, allows you to do things like stack rarity, damage, whatever on every other slot. NO RARE BELT CAN REPLACE MAGEBLOOD.
@@jeremy1244 sure but, do you have 4 fingers that can press flasks? I mean. Headhunter + manual click. I feel like mageblood is only okay for controller yards lol. I've found 5 flat magebloods in 3.19 instantly sold them all, honestly not worth it.
@@jeremy1244 I do in fact own a mageblood, your move kaiba
Also, the casual 120c per map just to run them.
Hey Subtractem! Thanks for giving magic find an honest try. I agree with a lot of what you say in this video. I do wish you hadn’t picked wandering path with deli mirrors strat, one of the very hardest. 😅 I think you would have enjoyed Jungle Valley low investment a lot more. At any rate, good luck in the future. Love the content.
I was able to afford my mageblood with a MF Carrion Golem Scion adding as much rarity as I could within my gear until finally going all out (adding Greed's, Ventors.) This might be my most profitable league so far! Thanks to Snoo and Colonnade/JV
@@Wolfcryer you got a pob?
Hey snoo and sub question. Would a death oath occultist using HH for defenses+curse on hit (to propogate explosions) do well with this strat or would rares be too tanky? Also what are your thoughts on just having giga packsize and abusing beyond?
@@Wolfcryer Thanks for sharing :)! I pllay trade sc so it's all good, just wanted to see what you are running
if you go caustic arrow on the bow while using death oath on occultist it works fine, 5 link caustic arrow melts bosses while death oath takes care of trash mobs.@@TheBlackKnightmare
When a streamer said casual MF, he meant Mageblood. Or aka budget HH build. Why not get low life and use Wondertrap for 100% rarity?
Ventors have never seen so much action
Yeah if this is the future, oof.
would argue that they did see that much action before the quant nerfs
Casual and mageblood should not be used together.
Mageblood has nothing to do with this strat and the typical setup is stronger using inspired learning. Don't focus on things irrelevant to the video.
I'd be curious to see how the flask and rarity gem do with the alch-and-go plan compared to normal. It's very easy to fit those two into most builds without much effort.
Really looking forward to the "dedicated" video about your Hexblast build! I've been trying to make my own version of it but i can't seem to satisfy myself when i compare the way your build looks like to play :D
As an ancient D2 player I really enjoy having magic find as an option. In that game there were only really 2 builds which could do it and that didn't prevent the rest of the farms from being very much valid. To me it's fine not every build is able to mf so long as it stays one valid way of playing the game and not the META, cause it'd feel bad. The main problem in 3.19 was that all the emphasis was put on that particular playstyle, which with the loot nerf made a good chunk of the playerbase forget there were other ways to make currency. And just like that everyone wanted to go mf, even to the point where they nuke their build to do it, then either complain about the game being too hard or too elitist. The main wrong thing right now is that since the non-mf extreme top-end of the content is no longer as good as it used to be and most strats in that ballpark aren't as demanding build-wise anymore, you can just get away with slapping a HH on a zdps full mf build and call it a day, specially with how strong HH buffs are at 60s.
NGL, I really miss my dopamine hits from 3.17.
I don't think a build like this would be viable for me, not time nor effort-wise.
Not sure what the future leagues will bring but I'll keep my eyes on the development of things and try to figure out when to return.
I would easily bet that 99% of players do not make 3d/hr
Would say more than 75% see less than 12 div a league
I make about 2 or 3 divine a day most of the days if I juice my maps with sextants and scarabs lol!
Probably because they stand still in hideout most of their time
3d/hr is far beyond any alch-n-go strat indeed. I would say, to drop one divine in an hour of active gameplay - is a very good result already, even 1d every other hour is not too bad.
Most high level players who have 1000+ hours on Poe seem to disregard the causal players knowledge to get more views. Nice.
I would use this strat halfway. I would use the flask and a couple more. I would run ~200 permanent magicfind but nothing crazy. Dont nerf damage by 50% and most importantly, dont nerf survivability 50%. It just feels bad. With this type of investment and build cost, only making 5-6 divines per hour is low. Just enjoy the game instead and earn the same with a better build.
Thanks for the video. As a some1 that makes like up 2 mirrors per leauge I hate idea of MF. I do enjoy alch + go and I will stick to it even if that means I'll make less. Fun > everything else. Cheers for video!
Big same, I usually also add essences and harevst to it for some easy currency while mapping ^^
dont forget the extra quant and rarity from atlas, ontop of the increased map modifiers u also can get through travel nodes, atlas is a huge part of it aswell, as it determines what you farm, and as the game is now, abyss and legion i believe spawns the most rares and thats what u want since we hunting loot gobos now (thanks cuz i really played poe because i love d3 or something smh...)
i am interested in trying it for myself. so thanx for your impressions and a look into the world of mf. i play as a cold reap inq with mageblood so i look forward to swap some rings and flasks for more juice. because why not … i play on console and run t16 maps and actually i get every 3-4 maps a got touched. so more quantity should be awesome :)
I don’t think alch & go counts when you’re using TFT to sell Aisling 🤷🏼♂️
Everyone has their own specific line they draw. Even without tft that's 3-4 div an hour for base line alch and go and literally nothing else.
I do the lakes and leave all the currency chest till the end then put on all MF gear and flask then open them. I have gotten divines doing that too lol!!
I've gone semi mf with deaths oath and has been pretty great so far. Lot of patients, few other high end div cards. Not enough to get a hh tho :(
I really don't understand why they didn't throw arch nem and these loot goblins into the atlas tree. Would have been so much better for the league, currently taking a break from the game but love to see the content regardless
This is so obviously the solution. It's legit perfect for the atlas tree. If they really believe in AN, then they should believe in it enough to let us make the choice. They've already got the "add modifier to rares" mod.
I enjoy MF, I just think it's a pity you basically have 3 good builds to choose from. Also, until you get the HH it's pain.
I play so much the last days, weeks.. and find nothig.. spend more than 50 divine for juce maps.. 16+ 60-80 deli.. i find nothing.. it feels ggg wanna fuck me up.. so i quit this game & i‘m not sure i wann come back.. it feels so bad when run 200 maps and go out with nothing.
What about for SSF though? Does it actually help you get gear faster?
I'm gonna need a crafting video for the bow and quiver here I'm afraid, and an alt pob for no mageblood, thanks.
One of my rings has item rarity on it. That's my moderate investment lol. I'm with you about the whole concept on magic find on gear. I hate it, it defies the point of the whole game. If they can't base loot around how powerful you can make your character then they are failing imo. More power should equal more loot because you can do harder content which should be more rewarding. That's what's fun to play and that's what's fun to aim for. Who thinks "I can't wait until I have enough currency to be able to nerf my build into the ground so I can make more currency"
This statement is wrong on so many levels. But eh well u are playing the wrong game if you think that a arpg looter needs to scale loot with your whatever "stronger" character means.
Just call me when you yourself figure out how a system will determine your strength and base the drops it generates, based on how "strong" you are. But remember most of those "weaker" characters are running the most stacked and hard mapping content available.
@@biohazardmilk631 I'm not saying you base the actual loot off the gear that people are wearing like there is some secret modifier that increases your loot drops. I mean that the hardest content in the game should only be doable in very good gear and the hardest content should drop the best loot.
@@smithers4420 the hardest content does drop good loot and you need to have good gear, or do you think a mf char consists of some random gear slapped together and u magically clear t16 maps with deli on them.
help i want to know, what build is he using?
What in wandering path makes the maps more difficult? You skip the difficult essence stacks etc. Is there something I missed? Or some indirect effect?
doubles the nodes that makes map modifiers have increased effect, so maps are a lot rippier
@@tensei2168 Hm perhaps, I just always felt that the +3 essence, +harbinger boss, extra blight bosses made it much more difficult than wandering path. Esp on top bonkers archnemesis
Personally I think magic find shouldn’t be on gear. Maybe it can be unlocked in the tree somewhere for a price in increments so you don’t have to sacrifice it on gear. I actually have be having a great time running a very similar strat to the Colonnade farm, and its soo much fun. Its just soo hard for a lot of builds to fit in mf. I can tell you this. For anyone doing this strat, I only have 2 voidstones. I put the strongbox mod on one and 8 mod corrupted map sextant on the other. I usually roll my own sextants. Wandering path is a must. Adds soo much quant and rarity even before getting alters. My character dies sometimes but i have patient cards coming out of my ass so it’s worth it. Ive had 5 drop in a map multiple times. Also im only doing T14 s. Still worth it. I just wish I could fit in more mf but its not possible with my build.
Or maybe a new Tree tied to your level/map progress or a paragon system that is a tree you can spec into rarity/mf as well as things like chance to dupe div cards or currency etc
StretchThemWristsBoys, Lovely
amazed you're still playing
Gotta go to work
Snoobae’s strats are pretty trash
wtf is that circling 3 color thing above your character
That's a resonating shrine buff
what is the 5th flask are you using ?
Bottled faith
I loathe magic find in games. If that’s the direction they want to go with I’m probably out.
What do you mean "the direction they want to go"?
Magic find has been in the game since the beginning. Doing solo MF in some leagues has been more viable than others.
I think it works in PoE just fine but of course it must be balanced so that it never becomes the "meta" of making solo builds.
pob plz
Build guide is the previous video
@@subtractem kk ty
As a console player on the xbox one s trying to play builds that I have to run through packs is a death sentence as I lag so much. So the ea ballistic is the only build I can run t16 with. I really wish GGG would optimize poe for console players considering console players spent more money then PC recently. Also I don't have a laptop or PC so no pob so I just wing it an had test ingame to get where I am at lvl95
Series S doesn't lag for me... or anyone else I know IRL, playing PoE. Either take good care of your system, or it's not your system and just may be your internet.
EDIT: Mis-read One S as Series S.
@@voxii_13 OP isn't using a Series S, they're using a One S. Last gen system.
@@bonez994 Right, mis-read, even worse then lol
@@voxii_13 yea probably internet then. I live in the sticks so we don't have good internet service out here. 10Mbps download an 0.75Mbps upload. An that's on good days. But I make due with what I got. Appreciate narrowing down why I die alot lol.
Edit: Ah I just seen you saying series S. An yea I got the one s. I just have more challenges to over come lol.
@@iKeptIt2Reall Yeah your internet definitely is the culprit. :) The One S also doesn't help at all either. But you gotta deal with what you have right?