Hi Steve. I used a Weber - cement based pool paint which got stained from flooding. I couldn’t afford it again and went for Prolong - Acry Proof paint and first applied an acrylic primer. I let it dry for 2 days then applied the acry proof paint which I let dry for a day and a half as per the manufacturer’s instructions… I filled water and now the paint is peeling, is it because it needed more time dry or something else?
I have a gunite/concrete pool which in the past has been renovated using fibreline the last one did not last long due to delamination, the contractor skimped on preparation, I am considering a Marbelite finish but concerned that it will need more maintenance in the long run and will no doubt get algae stained easily. So a difficult choice, do I go back to trying fibrelined or go with marbelite?
@@miguelandian3559 - I am deciding on the final finish right now. I am leaning towards a quartz finish. What are your plans and do you experience all 4 seasons?
Ambassador of Truth we’re in Ontario so yes, all four seasons and then some! We’re still trying to get our head around what to use - there isn’t a great deal of info out there on this topic for ICF pools so I’d be very interested in what you end up doing .... you’re several months ahead of us I think. THX
what product did you end up using on your ICF pool? Its been 2years and i look forward to hear your experience. We are doing an ICF pool ourselves and we are stuck on what to use..have heard some things about sider crete but not sold completely yet.
Well the options for replastering a pool is you can hydro blast or demo the old plaster out or you can identify bust out and block in hollow spots leave the rest of the old plaster and apply a bonding agent so the new plaster can stick
You touch on tiles and that’s a very appealing prospect - despite the cost - but is this really an option in a Canadian climate ( Ontario )? Is it not likely that cracking or lifting of tiles is then a real issue or is there a way to avoid this? Love your videos by the way, so helpful and informative.
Actually the way a tile pool is layed and the mortar bed underneath there is actually more of a choice a tile pool.will last longer than a plaster pool thats the way its the most expensive option
I have not worked with it, but I would be hard pressed to choose it. It is rubber based and "bonds permanently" with the pool surface. This puts it in the category of pool finishes that require sandblasting to remove. Eventually it will need to be removed as the substrate ages and crumbles away. With cement based products you can bond concrete to the existing substrate without removing the existing finsihed layer. This sandblasting requirement is expensive and prohibitive in many areas due to silica concerns. A big expense and messy process that can be completely avoided with a cement based waterproofing system. But new stuff is coming out all the time, and maybe this is the next great thing, but based on my experience in the industry the limiting factor will be this need to sandblast anytime you are renovating the pool surface.
I just paid 3K extra for a french grey pool finish on my new pool. My pool builder never told me until after that this will make my pool absorb heat. Now Im stuck with a hot pool? What are my options? I should have gotten the white finish. My fault.
I mean you could use the Acrylic DS white paint from Ramuc and it it will cover that, but that would be a real shame to say the least. Can your builder give you a good deal on a new plaster surface maybe? I would not use any other paint than that acrylic DS, because at some point you will want to take it off, and all other paint types require sand/soda blasting to remove once the paint starts to fail. This one is like regular old house paint except chemically compatible with pool water.
Yes you can use integral pigment in the plaster. It's hard. You can easily end up with color inconsistency or swirl and trowel marks. Many finishers do not like integral color plaster. If you are super picky on finished color I would avoid. If you just want to have some color and will be happy with what you get you can pigment each batch.
I had a concrete pool (shotcrete with a hand-applied plaster finish) built by Sylvan pools (now Sylvan/Anthony), which is a large pool builder on the eastern seaboard, in 1988. I have never had the plaster refinished and it's still in good shape. That's 35 years. The reason I'd have it refinished, which I'm planning on doing soon, is mainly cosmetic because there is some discoloration from the original bright white. Structurally, everything is fine. I've never had anything like delamination or cracking or whatever. This talk of having plaster pools refinished every 3 to 7 years or whatever is nonsense; at least in the mid-atlantic region where I am. And I also see these videos on here of pool replasterers "chipping" out the old plaster with jackhammers. That is absolute insanity. If you need a jackhammer to get something off, then I'd say it's on there pretty damn tight. Leave it alone. If you want a new finish, clean the old one and apply new over the old. You don't go busting the entire pool apart to put a friggin' half inch of plaster on. Some "experts" they have here on youtube displaying their "skills". Oy vey.
It is very interesting to me that you are making these comments. It reveals to me you do not understand how pools are built, how they are plastered, why they are plastered, how long plaster lasts, how it fails, and how not replacing your plaster for 35 years affects the quality and longevity of your pool. As someone who has spent their entire life building, repairing and replastering pools it never ceases to amaze me how people will talk about subjects that they have zero professional experience with, and they to use their limited anecdotal experience with one pool as evidence of some sort of superior understanding that all of the experts within the industry must have all missed. Well anyway, thanks for commenting with your opinion on concrete pools. Cheers.
@@Swimmingpoolsteve The quality and longevity of my pool is fine. Over 35 years with the same plaster. Nothing wrong with it other than cosmetic. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Of course "the experts" want pool owners to replaster. Because that's how they make their money. Duh. Pool Guy: "You should replaster every 5 years." Homeowner: "Why?" Pool Guy: "Because I'm an expert and I said so." LOL
I had this same argument with my brother. I build pools and ponds as a hobby. I dig a w/hole. Put down rebar and wire. Shape it all out with a high strength concrete. Then put an inch coat of S strength "plaster" to make it pretty. Then apply a few coats of dry lock paint to add color and ensure it's water proof Ones been there 14 problem free years. If I do rarely have a problem with a pool or pond...I can drain it and just redo that specific area with new concrete and a plaster coat in a few days.. but honestly in the 15 years enjoying this hobby that hasn't happened yet. Now my brother who has never built pools or ponds...Well he got talked into replastering his whole pool..... A pool that was holding water fine but not as pretty as it once was. I could have literally spot checked it in a day and repainted a few days later. Instead he completely redid the whole pool costing him thousands
hi steve, this video is very useful. by the way do you have any particular video showing how to do the ADCRETE finish?
I need to resurface my pool in florida
Which product is better, Florida Gem, or marbletite?
Hi Steve. I used a Weber - cement based pool paint which got stained from flooding. I couldn’t afford it again and went for Prolong - Acry Proof paint and first applied an acrylic primer. I let it dry for 2 days then applied the acry proof paint which I let dry for a day and a half as per the manufacturer’s instructions… I filled water and now the paint is peeling, is it because it needed more time dry or something else?
Steve I have a deep end 12 feet can I remove the lien and Change my pool to a 5 feet concrete pool. If so please help me
I have a gunite/concrete pool which in the past has been renovated using fibreline the last one did not last long due to delamination, the contractor skimped on preparation, I am considering a Marbelite finish but concerned that it will need more maintenance in the long run and will no doubt get algae stained easily. So a difficult choice, do I go back to trying fibrelined or go with marbelite?
I have a concrete pool with diamond write surface. What are my options to resurface the pool?
Our concrete pool is lined with fiberglass?
What about polyurea? I never hear anyone offering this as an option. Even though it is one of the best water proofers available.
Hi Steve, I just built an ICF Pool and I’m wondering what you would recommend to finish the interior.
Fyi...I experience all 4 seasons.
Ambassador of Truth Hi there, we’re building an ICF pool as well and I wondered what you eventually finished yours with?
@@miguelandian3559 - I am deciding on the final finish right now. I am leaning towards a quartz finish.
What are your plans and do you experience all 4 seasons?
Ambassador of Truth we’re in Ontario so yes, all four seasons and then some! We’re still trying to get our head around what to use - there isn’t a great deal of info out there on this topic for ICF pools so I’d be very interested in what you end up doing .... you’re several months ahead of us I think. THX
what product did you end up using on your ICF pool? Its been 2years and i look forward to hear your experience. We are doing an ICF pool ourselves and we are stuck on what to use..have heard some things about sider crete but not sold completely yet.
Steve my concrete pool is painted with Drylok. Do I have to remove this to paint it with epoxy?
Yes i would remove any paint before going over to avoid blotches and discoloration within a week of the pool filling -former pool remodeler
If you use pebble aggregate or just plaster do you have to chisel away all the old plaster?
Well the options for replastering a pool is you can hydro blast or demo the old plaster out or you can identify bust out and block in hollow spots leave the rest of the old plaster and apply a bonding agent so the new plaster can stick
What do you think about quartz vs plain plaster? Pool company claims 20% extra life, offers 10 year warranty vs 7 year on plain plaster.
You touch on tiles and that’s a very appealing prospect - despite the cost - but is this really an option in a Canadian climate ( Ontario )? Is it not likely that cracking or lifting of tiles is then a real issue or is there a way to avoid this? Love your videos by the way, so helpful and informative.
Actually the way a tile pool is layed and the mortar bed underneath there is actually more of a choice a tile pool.will last longer than a plaster pool thats the way its the most expensive option
Have you ever seen a product called (Sani-tred )used on a pool to repair cracks and coat surface?
I have not worked with it, but I would be hard pressed to choose it. It is rubber based and "bonds permanently" with the pool surface. This puts it in the category of pool finishes that require sandblasting to remove. Eventually it will need to be removed as the substrate ages and crumbles away. With cement based products you can bond concrete to the existing substrate without removing the existing finsihed layer. This sandblasting requirement is expensive and prohibitive in many areas due to silica concerns. A big expense and messy process that can be completely avoided with a cement based waterproofing system. But new stuff is coming out all the time, and maybe this is the next great thing, but based on my experience in the industry the limiting factor will be this need to sandblast anytime you are renovating the pool surface.
I just paid 3K extra for a french grey pool finish on my new pool. My pool builder never told me until after that this will make my pool absorb heat. Now Im stuck with a hot pool?
What are my options?
I should have gotten the white finish. My fault.
I mean you could use the Acrylic DS white paint from Ramuc and it it will cover that, but that would be a real shame to say the least. Can your builder give you a good deal on a new plaster surface maybe? I would not use any other paint than that acrylic DS, because at some point you will want to take it off, and all other paint types require sand/soda blasting to remove once the paint starts to fail. This one is like regular old house paint except chemically compatible with pool water.
Plaster will last for 25 years or more before it needs a new plaster color coat.
How long will the best paints last?
The paints claim 8 years.
Can you color your plaster and just plaster the pool without painting acrylic or anything else
Yes you can use integral pigment in the plaster. It's hard. You can easily end up with color inconsistency or swirl and trowel marks. Many finishers do not like integral color plaster. If you are super picky on finished color I would avoid. If you just want to have some color and will be happy with what you get you can pigment each batch.
How could it be exposed aggregate ? you said concrete leaks.
My dream pool is to have the first 2ft deep of beautiful rainbow irradecent tiles and then the rest be gold blue green glass irradecent beads.
Keep dreaming. Ain't gonna happen.
Truth ^
All the pools we do are fully tiled. The only way to go.
@@JT-jg8le I live in Adelaide Australia and work on high-end pools only.
Cheap pools here are normally fiberglass.
I had a concrete pool (shotcrete with a hand-applied plaster finish) built by Sylvan pools (now Sylvan/Anthony), which is a large pool builder on the eastern seaboard, in 1988. I have never had the plaster refinished and it's still in good shape. That's 35 years. The reason I'd have it refinished, which I'm planning on doing soon, is mainly cosmetic because there is some discoloration from the original bright white. Structurally, everything is fine. I've never had anything like delamination or cracking or whatever. This talk of having plaster pools refinished every 3 to 7 years or whatever is nonsense; at least in the mid-atlantic region where I am. And I also see these videos on here of pool replasterers "chipping" out the old plaster with jackhammers. That is absolute insanity. If you need a jackhammer to get something off, then I'd say it's on there pretty damn tight. Leave it alone. If you want a new finish, clean the old one and apply new over the old. You don't go busting the entire pool apart to put a friggin' half inch of plaster on. Some "experts" they have here on youtube displaying their "skills". Oy vey.
It is very interesting to me that you are making these comments. It reveals to me you do not understand how pools are built, how they are plastered, why they are plastered, how long plaster lasts, how it fails, and how not replacing your plaster for 35 years affects the quality and longevity of your pool. As someone who has spent their entire life building, repairing and replastering pools it never ceases to amaze me how people will talk about subjects that they have zero professional experience with, and they to use their limited anecdotal experience with one pool as evidence of some sort of superior understanding that all of the experts within the industry must have all missed. Well anyway, thanks for commenting with your opinion on concrete pools. Cheers.
@@Swimmingpoolsteve The quality and longevity of my pool is fine. Over 35 years with the same plaster. Nothing wrong with it other than cosmetic. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Of course "the experts" want pool owners to replaster. Because that's how they make their money. Duh. Pool Guy: "You should replaster every 5 years." Homeowner: "Why?" Pool Guy: "Because I'm an expert and I said so." LOL
I had this same argument with my brother.
I build pools and ponds as a hobby. I dig a w/hole. Put down rebar and wire. Shape it all out with a high strength concrete. Then put an inch coat of S strength "plaster" to make it pretty. Then apply a few coats of dry lock paint to add color and ensure it's water proof
Ones been there 14 problem free years.
If I do rarely have a problem with a pool or pond...I can drain it and just redo that specific area with new concrete and a plaster coat in a few days.. but honestly in the 15 years enjoying this hobby that hasn't happened yet.
Now my brother who has never built pools or ponds...Well he got talked into replastering his whole pool.....
A pool that was holding water fine but not as pretty as it once was.
I could have literally spot checked it in a day and repainted a few days later.
Instead he completely redid the whole pool costing him thousands
DONT EVER PAINT A POOL! ITS A TRAP!
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