I get it, this is one of those times where it’s difficult to justify a purchase in dollars and cent but you know the value yourself in streamlining an operation, particularly when you do most to everything on your own, that makes the operation just work and dare I say it, actually enjoyable. My father always used to say ‘ a little bit of something you like is sometimes the best investment you can make’
Reminds me of a Farmhand bale handler that we had 40 years ago. Without the extra hydraulic cylinder and notter. I'm subscribing to your channel. My back wouldn't be so screwed up I had 2 spinal surgeries. It's nice to see people start to work smarter. Your a breath of fresh air. Take care
Yeah that's a nice attachment. From the field to whoever buys the pack it's a nice way to keep the bales together. Or you can grab a bunch of these crazy people in the world today and tie them up lol.
Dennis, I really like the way you are always working on improving your operation. Over the time I have been following this channel there has been continual improvement and gains in efficiency with an occasional glitch, followed by some adjustments and further improvements to overcome the glitches. Your determination is admiral and over time I have been impressed with the outcomes. Your efforts have been helpful to me and probably to other viewers. Thank you for sharing your thinking with the rest of us! Nick, North West Farmer
Hi Dennis watched this when it came out and thought I would make a comment Called Kuhn,s in mid August about info about this unit as I have no dealers in my are , was interested in buying one next spring, well that called changed my time line as I was informed that they where (Kuhns ) were going to have to increase the price as of October 1st, do to increases in materials, so ordered one to be picked October 12th by myself ,while there got talking with the owner and he told me that the knotter was made in West Germany Nice people over there at the factory, treated me as a friend and answered my questions 1500 miles in 2 days round trip plus tolls 🤬 but came out way ahead $$ wise , now it sits in my shed till next year PS Bought my Kuhns equipment after finding your videos while doing a search for small bale accumulators Thanks for telling your honest opinion and thoughts Maybe in my travels I will look you up Best regards
I wasn't sold at first, I was thinking it would be costly. I wasn't sure it was worth the money but towards the end I was sold. Especially if you don't have to alternate the stacks on the trailer. Pretty sweet machine.
I have the same grabber on order , I hope it speeds up travel time hauling loads back to the barn, in the past I spend to much time either driving really slow or strapping loads down to keep bales from falling off and that eats up valuable time and as you know when it comes to making hay time is everything
Well! going back to my young lad days working on the farm, everything just gets easier,where pretty soon you will be able to sit under a shade tree and watch it all being done with no human operator.
It looks good and strong made Dennis, before you said its a lot heavier i was thinking the same, looks big on your 4710. Hope it will be ok on your steep field's, never good if you have a light back end on a tracter loader.Mike
Yeah it’s noticeably heavier but the tractor can handle 3500 pounds I’ve actually picked that much up with it but I had counter weight. This loaded with hay will be about 2000 pounds.
That is a very interesting additional piece of equipment for dealing with packs of bales and keeping them together. I really like the squeeze and hook system but have some concerns about the tractor stability on slopes with the extra weight. It will be most interesting to see how you get on with it on some of your hayfields.
Great implement there, I did something similar with the wiring to get tge 4th function to work on my grapple. I use a NH stackwagon so I only use my grapple for going from the stack to the trailer but wanted to utilize the rotation capability if the grapple. I made a video of it on my channel, if anyone's interested.
Great video I have been thinking about this I’ll be riveted to my screen watching how it goes. It’ll eliminate the worry of driving out of my rough field and strapping down the trailer. I switched to the same twine last year 170 it worked flawless. Is the squeeze and the tines the same function?
Yes squeeze and hooks are the same function but they use a sequencing valve and it could be adjusted to make more or less squeeze on the bales before hooking.
After watching your video you will need to adjust the valve on that grabber it should squeeze then grab. Explained well in book. It will break hooks off if you don't! I've got an 18 bale and love it
Our tie-grabber expert, James, has done a video about this. We are working on editing the video and we'll be posting it to our youtube channel. Hopefully it will be ready soon. We are also working on a new tie grabber manual that is in the final stages of editing.
That's an interesting attachment. I'll look forward to seeing this in action. When you load bales for customers will you be able to keep them tied together?
A quick Google search turned up the following: "The Kuhns Tie-Grabber uses a Rasspe knotter made in Germany. “It's known for its trouble-free operation,” says Kuhns."
@@DLHFarms Have you looked at the acusin 14 bale Bundler. It’s on a utube channel. A lot smaller than the bale bandit and bale barons and they a less expensive
Interesting! I think they need to re-time things a bit to let the unit squeeze the bales before the hooks go in. Also, knotters can be a royal pain, so I am not sure I like that it uses one. I wonder if they could use the plastic material that is sometimes used to hold stuff to pallets in shipping- can't think of what its called. That would eliminate the knotter and possibly keep things tighter. Or maybe I am over thinking things LOL
I was thinking the same thing regarding the hook and squeeze relationship. Completing the squeeze prior to injecting the hooks might make a tighter pack. We just call that plastic material plastic wrap around here, for what it is worth. Nick, North West Farmer
Also those sequencing valves can be adjusted if your not happy with how much pressure the squeeze are is putting on the hay but remember it’s not really about how tight it is it just keeps hay from falling out of the pack while in a stack.
Our tie-grabber expert, James, has done a video about this. We are working on editing the video and we'll be posting it to our youtube channel. Hopefully it will be ready soon. We are also working on a new tie grabber manual that is in the final stages of editing.
The knotter is made by Rasspe a German company. This is the American importer is www.groupschumacher.com/north-america/schumacherlc/brands/rasspe/ , but all your parts can be bought through your local dealer or Kuhns' Mfg. I have the great pleasure of selling the Kuhns' Mfg product set in the UK and elsewhere and to quote one of my customers "its the products that give him the least hassle on the farm." The Tie Grabbers are awesome along with standard grabbers, and the accumulators. I have a KN510 (the on edge version of the above) arriving in the UK for the start of the season. Please don't hesitate to message me with any questions here, or at, www.thesmallbalecompany.co.uk I hope y'all have a great season. Mark 👍
Dang Democrats around here are so sue happy that that’d save you a lot of headaches an cash if one ever fell off an they hit it! Thanks for showing it!
Nice walk through with it mate👍 But I’m still not entirely convinced 😔🤷♂️. As you said at the end, it might be nice to have but maybe not a necessity. Think I’d still favour an arcusin 🤔🤷♂️
Can you adjust the tension of the twine and make them tighter? I agree, it seemed quite loose, but on the other hand I don't believe they were loose enough where they would fall off either. Just curious. Have a good one and stay safe!
Morning Dennis! This piece of machinery sounds great in theory, but may slow down the process of loading your trailer. How long does it take to strap a trailer load versus additional time twinning bales plus the cost for the attachment? Can't wait to see what you decide.
Shouldn’t slow down the process at all it ties very fast and can be done while driving the tractor to the trailer after picking up the pack. Once tied it will make the stacked very stable on the trailer or in the barn.
How did your pallet idea work out? I came across some inexpensive 7.5ft pallets and I was planning on screwing them together for the correct width . Then staging them in one of my fields that right next to the hay storage barn. Placing them around the pasture and then forking 40 or 50 bales at a time instead of 70 trips with 10 bales. I’m using the kuhns accumulator and there standard non tye grabber. Are your pallets holding up ok ?and how many bales do you think would be good for hauling around fields that are not that smooth?
I love my pallets but I’ve only moved them empty. If your going to handle them loaded you need long forks. You might could put 40 or 50 on one without them falling off, if you had this tie grabber I’m sure you could put more on it.
I know you don’t use the Deere for picking up bales but how would that work if you decided to. Cause the Deere just has a rocker switch for the third function controls right.
Did you buy it? I’m seriously considering buying one. We’re on steep ground and are constantly dropping a few bales. I just upgraded from a Kuhns Mfg to a Steffen System 850 with an edge kit. The Kuhns Mfg accumulator has a difficult time with the hills (going down hill and turning right).
@@DLHFarms Wayne Cox i have been trying to get him to order an accumalator for two years , most of his farm in in Montgomery Co. he does mostly wheat straw now with round bales of hay they were dairy farm for years
Dennis, I'm looking forward to seeing this equipment in service. It looks like you are always in search of new ways to streamline your operation. It looks like it could get a workout with all the land you have been working on. How many acres are you planning on bailing this year?
I would have some concerns for folks, like Dennis working on significant slopes, about the tractor stability with the combined weight of the grapple and a group of bales. Carrying the load low down and great care traversing across slopes on a front end loader demands skill, knowledge and experience to avoid potentially serious trouble.
Get rid off the accumulator and get a new holland 160 bale stacker save on loading and unloading trailers run the bales straight into the shed save on loader work and time
I get it, this is one of those times where it’s difficult to justify a purchase in dollars and cent but you know the value yourself in streamlining an operation, particularly when you do most to everything on your own, that makes the operation just work and dare I say it, actually enjoyable. My father always used to say ‘ a little bit of something you like is sometimes the best investment you can make’
Yep your exactly right!
Sounds like a great tool to have in your rolling hills that you bale. Enjoyed watching j. Thanks 🙏
I think it would be
I think it would be
Great video Dennis. Just what you need with your rolling hills. Probably will save you alot of time and maybe worry.
I hope so.
Kool addition to the attachments
Reminds me of a Farmhand bale handler that we had 40 years ago. Without the extra hydraulic cylinder and notter.
I'm subscribing to your channel. My back wouldn't be so screwed up I had 2 spinal surgeries. It's nice to see people start to work smarter. Your a breath of fresh air.
Take care
Thanks for the sub!
@@DLHFarms 👍
Great video Dennis. Looks like it could be real helpful keeping the bales on the trailer. Can't wait to see it in action.
Can’t wait to use it.
Yeah that's a nice attachment. From the field to whoever buys the pack it's a nice way to keep the bales together. Or you can grab a bunch of these crazy people in the world today and tie them up lol.
Bahaha
Dennis, I really like the way you are always working on improving your operation. Over the time I have been following this channel there has been continual improvement and gains in efficiency with an occasional glitch, followed by some adjustments and further improvements to overcome the glitches. Your determination is admiral and over time I have been impressed with the outcomes. Your efforts have been helpful to me and probably to other viewers. Thank you for sharing your thinking with the rest of us! Nick, North West Farmer
That’s what Im here for to learn and to help others
@@DLHFarms In my book , your right on track! Nick, North West Farmer
I like that, can't wait to see it working on 1st cut Dennis 👍
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Hi Dennis watched this when it came out and thought I would make a comment
Called Kuhn,s in mid August about info about this unit as I have no dealers in my are , was interested in buying one next spring, well that called changed my time line as I was informed that they where (Kuhns ) were going to have to increase the price as of October 1st, do to increases in materials, so ordered one to be picked October 12th by myself ,while there got talking with the owner and he told me that the knotter was made in West Germany
Nice people over there at the factory, treated me as a friend and answered my questions
1500 miles in 2 days round trip plus tolls 🤬 but came out way ahead $$ wise , now it sits in my shed till next year
PS
Bought my Kuhns equipment after finding your videos while doing a search for small bale accumulators
Thanks for telling your honest opinion and thoughts
Maybe in my travels I will look you up
Best regards
Awesome! I have always been impressed with Kuhns and there helpful friendly service.
I wasn't sold at first, I was thinking it would be costly. I wasn't sure it was worth the money but towards the end I was sold. Especially if you don't have to alternate the stacks on the trailer. Pretty sweet machine.
I haven’t tried not altering yet but I really don’t see the need with the tied packs
I have the same grabber on order , I hope it speeds up travel time hauling loads back to the barn, in the past I spend to much time either driving really slow or strapping loads down to keep bales from falling off and that eats up valuable time and as you know when it comes to making hay time is everything
It should help a lot
This is an really interesting implement also known in Sweden!
It is very interesting
Cool attachment, need one for round bales! Lol (we lost a round bale once just outside of a small town, (Stephens city va) 🚜🪵👍🏼🇱🇷
Haha that would be an interesting device
Well! going back to my young lad days working on the farm, everything just gets easier,where pretty soon you will be able to sit under a shade tree and watch it all being done with no human operator.
Haha and a robot will bring you some ice tea.
As a kid stacking square bales on a wagon behind a baler was a rite of passage, for a season or two, then I'd rather shovel pigsties.
@@truracer20 I grew up stacking hay on the wagon too. Glad I don’t have to do that anymore.
It looks good and strong made Dennis, before you said its a lot heavier i was thinking the same, looks big on your 4710. Hope it will be ok on your steep field's, never good if you have a light back end on a tracter loader.Mike
Yeah it’s noticeably heavier but the tractor can handle 3500 pounds I’ve actually picked that much up with it but I had counter weight. This loaded with hay will be about 2000 pounds.
That is a very interesting additional piece of equipment for dealing with packs of bales and keeping them together. I really like the squeeze and hook system but have some concerns about the tractor stability on slopes with the extra weight. It will be most interesting to see how you get on with it on some of your hayfields.
Yeah it’s definitely going to be interesting to see how it handles it. I need that bigger 5711 Massey now.
Tyrite 170 is great. All we use in our bc5070. Upgraded to the large balls for less twine changes.
Are you using the 9000 balls? I’ve got the 8500 didt know if the bigger ones would fit in the twine box slots.
@@DLHFarms they barely fit. The 8500s or whatever they are are great, just change right often on busy days as I'm sure you know
Great implement there, I did something similar with the wiring to get tge 4th function to work on my grapple. I use a NH stackwagon so I only use my grapple for going from the stack to the trailer but wanted to utilize the rotation capability if the grapple. I made a video of it on my channel, if anyone's interested.
Cant wait to see you use it in the field
Me too! 👍👍
Great video I have been thinking about this I’ll be riveted to my screen watching how it goes. It’ll eliminate the worry of driving out of my rough field and strapping down the trailer. I switched to the same twine last year 170 it worked flawless. Is the squeeze and the tines the same function?
Yes squeeze and hooks are the same function but they use a sequencing valve and it could be adjusted to make more or less squeeze on the bales before hooking.
After watching your video you will need to adjust the valve on that grabber it should squeeze then grab. Explained well in book. It will break hooks off if you don't! I've got an 18 bale and love it
Yeah I noticed it needed some adjustments
Our tie-grabber expert, James, has done a video about this. We are working on editing the video and we'll be posting it to our youtube channel. Hopefully it will be ready soon. We are also working on a new tie grabber manual that is in the final stages of editing.
I like it it's pretty cool I would get it Dennis
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That's an interesting attachment. I'll look forward to seeing this in action. When you load bales for customers will you be able to keep them tied together?
In most cases yes. Sometimes no depends on what their hauling it on.
A quick Google search turned up the following: "The Kuhns Tie-Grabber uses a Rasspe knotter made in Germany. “It's known for its trouble-free operation,” says Kuhns."
I knew that they had tested the new Holland knotter on it with only mediocre results and had went with another brand.
@@DLHFarms Have you looked at the acusin 14 bale
Bundler. It’s on a utube channel. A lot smaller than the bale bandit and bale barons and they a less expensive
Haven’t seen it
@@DLHFarms th-cam.com/video/pyQpG-SU3oQ/w-d-xo.html. This is one of them
Interesting! I think they need to re-time things a bit to let the unit squeeze the bales before the hooks go in. Also, knotters can be a royal pain, so I am not sure I like that it uses one. I wonder if they could use the plastic material that is sometimes used to hold stuff to pallets in shipping- can't think of what its called. That would eliminate the knotter and possibly keep things tighter. Or maybe I am over thinking things LOL
I was thinking the same thing regarding the hook and squeeze relationship. Completing the squeeze prior to injecting the hooks might make a tighter pack. We just call that plastic material plastic wrap around here, for what it is worth. Nick, North West Farmer
You don’t want that plastic shipping rap touching your hay it won’t let it breathe then it will sweat and mold even if it was dry hay.
Also those sequencing valves can be adjusted if your not happy with how much pressure the squeeze are is putting on the hay but remember it’s not really about how tight it is it just keeps hay from falling out of the pack while in a stack.
Our tie-grabber expert, James, has done a video about this. We are working on editing the video and we'll be posting it to our youtube channel. Hopefully it will be ready soon. We are also working on a new tie grabber manual that is in the final stages of editing.
The knotter is made by Rasspe a German company. This is the American importer is www.groupschumacher.com/north-america/schumacherlc/brands/rasspe/ , but all your parts can be bought through your local dealer or Kuhns' Mfg.
I have the great pleasure of selling the Kuhns' Mfg product set in the UK and elsewhere and to quote one of my customers "its the products that give him the least hassle on the farm."
The Tie Grabbers are awesome along with standard grabbers, and the accumulators.
I have a KN510 (the on edge version of the above) arriving in the UK for the start of the season.
Please don't hesitate to message me with any questions here, or at, www.thesmallbalecompany.co.uk
I hope y'all have a great season. Mark 👍
Good video.The Tie-Grabber looks like it will keep the bales together.Where do you buy your square baler twine and what knot strengh do you use?
I bought the last I got from sunset feeds in Winston NC. It’s tyright 8500 170
Dang Democrats around here are so sue happy that that’d save you a lot of headaches an cash if one ever fell off an they hit it! Thanks for showing it!
Haha 👍
I'm seriously in favour of anything that makes life easier so go for it. When you're chasing weather, bales falling off adds to the grief.
You got that right !!
Don't forget to install a wider axle on the accumulator for stability on those hills of yours.
Planning on trying fluid in the tires.
I wish I could buy one wish just the squeeze part and not the twine
You can they make one like that
Nice walk through with it mate👍 But I’m still not entirely convinced 😔🤷♂️. As you said at the end, it might be nice to have but maybe not a necessity. Think I’d still favour an arcusin 🤔🤷♂️
Not sure what acusin is expect maybe what I do when I get mad. I go acusin. Haha
@@DLHFarms 🤣🤣 does it help if I spell it acrusin🤦♂️. There basically a bale baron but cheaper but follow the baler on another tractor
@@casto- haha👍
Can you adjust the tension of the twine and make them tighter? I agree, it seemed quite loose, but on the other hand I don't believe they were loose enough where they would fall off either. Just curious. Have a good one and stay safe!
You can make it a little tighter
Morning Dennis! This piece of machinery sounds great in theory, but may slow down the process of loading your trailer. How long does it take to strap a trailer load versus additional time twinning bales plus the cost for the attachment? Can't wait to see what you decide.
Shouldn’t slow down the process at all it ties very fast and can be done while driving the tractor to the trailer after picking up the pack. Once tied it will make the stacked very stable on the trailer or in the barn.
@@DLHFarms When do we see it in action?
After I bale some hay around the end of may.
Can you increase the tension on the twine on the arm that wraps the stack?
You can some but it’s not really necessary
Hello Dennis,
Could you tie the pack more than once.
Love the video's keep up the good work and god bless and stay safe.
Yes you can if you set the pack down then reset the arm then pick it back up and tie again.
How did your pallet idea work out? I came across some inexpensive 7.5ft pallets and I was planning on screwing them together for the correct width . Then staging them in one of my fields that right next to the hay storage barn. Placing them around the pasture and then forking 40 or 50 bales at a time instead of 70 trips with 10 bales. I’m using the kuhns accumulator and there standard non tye grabber. Are your pallets holding up ok ?and how many bales do you think would be good for hauling around fields that are not that smooth?
I love my pallets but I’ve only moved them empty. If your going to handle them loaded you need long forks. You might could put 40 or 50 on one without them falling off, if you had this tie grabber I’m sure you could put more on it.
Yep I have some 8 foot fork extensions. I’m not sure how it’ll work though. I’ll report back
I know you don’t use the Deere for picking up bales but how would that work if you decided to. Cause the Deere just has a rocker switch for the third function controls right.
It would work the same but you would still need to run a wire out there with a toggle switch in the cab to control it.
Did you buy it?
I’m seriously considering buying one. We’re on steep ground and are constantly dropping a few bales.
I just upgraded from a Kuhns Mfg to a Steffen System 850 with an edge kit. The Kuhns Mfg accumulator has a difficult time with the hills (going down hill and turning right).
Yes I bought it. Well worth it
Do you believe you can use this to unload the wagons and pull bales from the barn?
@@glencourtright8037 no you can’t do that with it
You can sell it as a 10 bale package too
That’s true.
If you don’t want it...I take it. Lol. I am on Delaware.
Haha
my cousin is getting one of these in Floyd County
Who is your cousin? I know a lot of people in Floyd.
@@DLHFarms Wayne Cox i have been trying to get him to order an accumalator for two years , most of his farm in in Montgomery Co. he does mostly wheat straw now with round bales of hay they were dairy farm for years
Might know him if I seen him.
what do you estimate this machine will add to the cost of a bale?
The cost of the twine would be about 1 cent per bale. It’s hard to come up with a number for the machine.
Rebel equipment in Australia make 10and15 grabs and aucmlators to maybe see if there on you tube sometime thing they are
But they don’t make a tie grabber.
Hi
Dennis, I'm looking forward to seeing this equipment in service. It looks like you are always in search of new ways to streamline your operation. It looks like it could get a workout with all the land you have been working on. How many acres are you planning on bailing this year?
👍 I’ve got about 200 acres to harvest this year.
Wow. Is that double last season?
@@peterwarnstrom8872 it’s double two seasons ago. I went up about 40 acres last year and about 70 this year.
I would have some concerns for folks, like Dennis working on significant slopes, about the tractor stability with the combined weight of the grapple and a group of bales. Carrying the load low down and great care traversing across slopes on a front end loader demands skill, knowledge and experience to avoid potentially serious trouble.
@@w056007568 well said Dan
Get rid off the accumulator and get a new holland 160 bale stacker save on loading and unloading trailers run the bales straight into the shed save on loader work and time
To steep around here for that