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- Check out my newer Boss MS-3 & Amp1 video with no talking here: • Boss MS-3 & Bluguitar ... .
Here is a demo of some patches I have programmed into the Boss MS-3 to work with the Bluguitar Amp1. You can program what happens when you press the foot switch for the preset that is currently selected. This can be useful! The Amp1 is connected to a 112 speaker cabinet with a Weber Axis speaker in it. The audio is being recorded by Line 6 Sonicport VX built-in microphones that is plugged directly into an iPhone.
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thanks for posting this video Patrick . I like how you are using the Amp 1 and 4 cable method . Thumbs way up and subbed so I dont miss future videos .
Thanks for this video Patrick, it has shown me stuff that other longer videos did not, specifically the channel changing capabilities which was something I wanted to see demonstrated.
Thank's for great demo! This feature with switching additional stuff via patch button is a killer! I already have Amp1 with MIDI and now it's time to buy MS3 :)
I love this feature too. You can also have up to 4 external foot switches and you can control other stuff such as tap tempo, your amp channel and boost with those.
Thank you for sharing but how did you connect and program it?
The effects are explained in the video. The MS-3 is switching the Amp-1 using the foot switch control (not MIDI). Boss has good video on how to switch amp channels with the MS-3 here: th-cam.com/video/h6NNHko6y1E/w-d-xo.html
Hey Patrick
Do You you use Midi cable for that Chanel switching?
Or is there another way switching The amp channels with standard cable?
No MIDI. I used a standard cable.
Could you use the secondary function to go from clean to dirty on the Amp1?
Yes. When you go to the "Current Number" screen of the control settings, you can select control 1 out or control 2 out as the target, and then dial in if you want them to be monetary or normally open or normally closed. This would switch clean to dirty on the Amp1, or any amp with external channel switching such as a two channel Marshall.
Patrick Stefurak are you accessing all 4 channels or just the clean and one of the other 3 channels?
Clean and one of the distorted channels. You need the MIDI1 adapter to access all 4 channels from the MS-3, which has MIDI out only.@@DoctorMcFarlandStudios
@@patrickstefurak3124 Can you send PC Messages in manual mode or is that only possible when switching presets?
@@DoctorMcFarlandStudios You cannot send PC messages from manual mode. The MS-3 MIDI is very basic, and there are no mappable MIDI parameters. The control assignments for the manual mode and the external control inputs and expression inputs are substantial, but that still does not map to MIDI. Also, there is no MIDI In on the MS-3 (only MIDI out).
Boss MS-3 and Amp1 connection chart
The guitar is connected to the main input of the Boss MS-3.
The Amp1 is connected to AC power.
The Boss MS-3 is connected to it’s included 9VDC power supply.
Here is a chart of all other connections:
Boss MS-3 Amp1 Fuzz Octave
Loop1 send input
Loop1 return output
Loop2 send input
Loop2 return FX send
Loop3 send input
Loop3 return send
Output mono FX return
Control 1 foot switch
The loops of the MS-3 are always in the order of 1,2,3.
In the above connection scheme, the Fuzz is before the Amp1 and the Octave is after the Amp1.
Any internal effect of the MS-3 can be moved before or after the MS-3 loops.
MS-3 internal effects include FX1, MOD1, FX2, MOD2, Delay & Reverb.
FX1 and/or FX2 can be wah, autowah, fuzz, overdrive, EQ, compressor and others.
MOD1 and/or MOD2 can be chorus, phasor, flanger, univibe, rotary and others.
Hi Patrick, appreciate your demo on the amp 1 with the Boss MS-3. I'm thinking of getting the Amp 1 and connect it 4 cable method to my Boss GT 1000. But I don't know if the GT 1000 is able to switch channels in the Amp 1 via the 4 cable method or via midi. Appreciate your advise before I invest in the Amp 1. Thanks very much
GT-1000 has Amp CTL 1,2 jack that could switch the Amp1 channels in a similar method to the MS-3 shown here.
Thanks, Patrick. Appreciate your response.
Hello Patrick. Like you, I got Both Amp1 and MS-3. I got it few days ago and I think it's killer. One question : why the Memory/Manuel Mode is blinking ? Cheers from France.
Hi joegigamail. Congratulations on your acquisition. Memory/Manual light blinks when set to display the BPM of tap tempo. Here's how you enable/disable that: MENU>Play>page4>Beat LED>on/off.
Hi Patrick, I am trying to set up something similar with my amp1 but I am having an issue getting the midi to communicate. I have Bluguitar midi cable and and adapter for the ms-3. Do you know of any way to troubleshoot the connection to rule out if it is one of the cables. Specifically I am looking to see if a command is being sent and/or if the midi learn is sending anything to the ms-3. if there are any settings that would hinder the connection other than being on channel 1 please advise. Thanks!
I am not using MIDI for switching. I don't own the Amp1 MIDI cable, so I don't know how to program for that. I am using the footswitch functions of the Amp1 controlled with the footswitch output of the MS-3. Thomas Blug has a good video on how to do that here: th-cam.com/video/4FweTMl5imA/w-d-xo.html
Cool video! My MS-3 is on the way! I will be using it with my Amp1 to add Fx and to control the Power Soak! Throuhg MIDI... I got the MIDI1 cable adapter... I tried the Power Soak function with my other MIDI controller and I liked a lot! You can get all the power of the Amp1 at more usable amount of db... :-)
I'd like to see a video from you about MIDI from the MS-3 controlling the Amp1 through the MIDI1 cable adapter. I few people have been asking about that. I don't have a MIDI1. You would covering new ground with that video.
Patrick Stefurak Good idea! I will do that! Happy New Year! :-)
Hi. Can you control a 2nd Master, different Gain/Clean values in the Amp1 for different presets and PowerSoak just like with the Remote1?? Thank you
Fabrizzio Cappello Yes you can do it... via "Control Changes"... I have the Amp1, Midi1 cable and MS-3 and I've got to control the "Power soak" through tbe CC #30
No. I do not have the MIDI1 cable. I can only control the channel switching and boost via the footswitch jack on the Amp1.
Hi! Great video! Question... preset 1 has a chorus saved as on but you hit the switch again without going into manual mode and it turned off. How did you do that? Thnx
Music Teos has a video of how to program "Current Number" to modify any preset with a user-definable alternate function. The function you are asking about is described at 2:45 into his video. Here's a link video: th-cam.com/video/GOlyeo__r4A/w-d-xo.html
By the way, I enjoyed your video Live to Ride.
@@patrickstefurak3124 Thanx for the help. I figured it out! Very happy!
@@patrickstefurak3124 Appreciate that! I shot it myself with a GoPro and some friends with bikes. That tune is from my blues/rock band Bleeding Harp... cheers!
Hello! Do you use a stereo or mono cable in the amp one footswitch jack to the ms3? I see you can switch boost and channels.
I use a stereo cable from the MS-3 control output to the Amp1 footswitch jack. A 1/4" TRS cable.
Hello ! Dear Partrick , I saw your video about the Boss MS-3 for Control AMP1 .May you tell me what kind the TRS jack stereo or mono ? Thank for your video and your reply !
I used a stereo 1/4" TRS cable for the MS-3 to control the switching of the Amp1.
Hi Patrick , Thank for your reply . So You just can switch Drive and boost ,Right ? or like bluguitar MIDI1 can switch all function?
Right. TRS stereo 1/4" cable to switch drive and boost. I do not have the MIDI cable, so I cannot switch other functions.
How is the Boss changing the amp1 channels. I cant get mine to do it.
I'm using the control output of the MS-3 to switch the Amp1 (no MIDI). Here's a link to a video on how to do that: th-cam.com/video/h6NNHko6y1E/w-d-xo.html
@@patrickstefurak3124 wow. Thank you very much.
Does the Boss MS3 send out CC's Control Changes as well Program Changes,
you could change the amount of gain or power soak on each patch.
Yes... the MS-3 can send CC MIDI messages, either via foot switch or assigned to an expression pedal. I don't have the Bluguitar MIDI cable, but would like to try it.
Hi Patrick! Could you please give a rundown of how you wired it all up to do the channel switching with the amp1? I have an amp 1 and a midi1 conversion cable. Any help would be greatly appreciated. :)
Okay... in this video, the colored dots on the MS-3 are: green=9VDC power; blue=Expression pedal; green=control output; yellow=main output; blue=return; red=send; red=guitar input. The colored dots on the MS-3 go to the same colored dots on the Amp1.
The guitar goes into the MS-3, MS-3 send to Amp1 guitar input, Amp1 send to MS-3 return, MS-3 output to Amp1 return, Amp1 speaker output to speaker. The control output of the MS-3 runs to the foot switch connection on the Amp1 via a TRS stereo cable... that cable allows selection of clean/distorted channel and boost/no-boost. There is no MIDI being used.
If you go to mother video of the Amp1&MS-3, you can really see the wiring at the end of the video... same set-up, but with two pedals added. Just follow the colored dots.
I've got a question for you: how is your MIDI-Amp1 cable wired? An ohm meter would tell you... is it MIDI pin 4 to tip and MIDI pin 3 to sleeve?
Patrick Stefurak hi Patrick. I've not got the midi 1 cable connected to the amazing at all and just use it as it is at the moment. I don't have much experience with midi so I don't know exactly what the cable does! :P I just wondered how to get an external switcher to do the channel switching for me and the new MS-3 looks like the best option for a compact pedalboard. Thanks so much for your response.
Does that mean that you can essentially change channels and add effects all from the MS3?
Renton: Yes, the Boss MS-3 can switch the channel and boost on the Amp1 using a switched output from the MS-3. The MS-3 acts as the foot switch for the Amp1. There is no MIDI in this function. The Boss MS-3 could switch the channel of any guitar amplifier that has a 1/4" foot switch jack on it. The Boss MS-3 could switch the channel and reverb on a Fender Hot Rod Deluxe, for example. No MIDI.
The Boss MS-3 has effects, and can switch it's own effects. I turn the reverb of the Amp1 off, and never use the Amp1 reverb. I used the reverb from the MS-3, along with other effects.
The MS-3 has three effects loops. I put the preamp of the Amp1 into loop 2 of the Boss MS-3 by connecting the MS-3 loop 2 send to the guitar input of the Amp1, and then connecting the effects send of the Amp1 to the loop 2 return of the MS-3. This allows me to put effects from the MS-3 before the Amp1, and to patch external pedals into the MS-3 loop 1, which routes them before the Amp1. I can also route MS-3 effects after the Amp1, and patch external pedals into the MS-3 loop3, which routes them after the Amp1.
This means that you can have MS-3 internal effects and external effects both before and after the Amp1 while controlling the Amp1 channels and boost from the MS-3... all with no MIDI.
One other thing I forgot to mention... the mono (left) output of the MS-3 is connected to the effects return of the Amp1. The Amp1 one speaker output is connected to a speaker cabinet. Those are only other connections needed.
Don't you have any noise or hum when using the 4CM? Got an es-8 using 4CM but have lots of noise problems when i turn the drive channel on...
There is no hum in my system (or so little that I don't notice it). In this video, you are hearing the sound in the room picked up by the microphones built into a Line 6 Soniport VX plugged into an iPhone. The hum (or lack thereof) that you hear in the video is the amount of noise in the system. I am powering the MS-3 with the Boss power supply that was included with the unit. The Amp1 uses an AC power cable. Both are plugged into the same grounded power strip.
Hi Edouard. I've had hum problems in the past. My favorite solution is to use a rechargeable battery to power all of my pedals. This eliminates ground loops and power supply noise in addition to making set-up at gigs faster. I use a Sanyo Pedal juice, but you could also use Big Joe Powerbox Lithium, Pedaltrain Volto, or Joyo JMP-01 Portable Power.
I just saw the youtube video "SNAMM '17 - VHT Booster" for the new $29 VHT pedal board power supply solution that converts a "USB battery pack" (you can buy them for $15 or less on Amazon) into pedal power. That might work well for you and get rid of your hum. I hope that helps.
Hello,
Can someone tell me how to synchronize via Midi Cabel 1 and the ms 3? I can not do that.Thanks.
Yiannis Karadimos I have same problem to change presets on the Amp1 using the MIDI1 adapter and the MS-3... I've got to control the "Power Soak" through the Control Change #30, but I can't control the presets via the Program Changes... I'll keep trying...
CARLOS GALVEZ MUSIC I found how it works.
Yiannis Karadimos Great! Please! Tell me how to do that? 😀
CARLOS GALVEZ MUSIC Hi Carlos,first make a factory reset on the Amp 1,send midi channel 1 from MS 3 to Amp 1,then create 4 patches with PC 1, 2, 7,4.Make the sound on the clean channel how do you like it then push the Middle button on the Amp 1 for 2 seconds and then the first button on MS 3(when you make the sound on the Amp 1 you have to be on the 2 button on the Ms 3 and then push the 1 button)Then make your vintage sound push the middle button for 2 sec on the Amp 1 and then the 2 button on the MS 3 .So you can make the other 2 channels on the Amp 1.( 4 pc for Modern,7 pc for classic.
Yiannis Karadimos Thanks! I will try it step by step! ;-)
Awesome. Can you change between the vintage, classic, and modern settings on the amp via the ms3 as well?
Yes, but you would need the MIDI1 adapter. The MS-3 can send program change and/or CC messages with each preset. Here's a link to the MIDI1 video: goo.gl/Fucdou
Right ok , cheers.
Hi Dear Patrick : can you show what kind of MIDI line or tell me what part no. of you use remote and control the amp1 ?
Any TRS 1/4" stereo cable will do it. Something like this would work www.walmart.com/ip/25ft-Premier-Series-1-4-inch-TRS-Right-Angle-Male-to-Right-Angle-Male-16AWG-Cable-Gold-Plated-9444/40521033?action=product_interest&action_type=title&beacon_version=1.0.2&bucket_id=irsbucketdefault&client_guid=b99f9e20-17b7-46e2-3183-5ccedc25393a&config_id=106&customer_id_enc&findingMethod=p13n&guid=b99f9e20-17b7-46e2-3183-5ccedc25393a&item_id=40521033&parent_anchor_item_id=40521178&parent_item_id=40521178&placement_id=irs-106-t1&reporter=recommendations&source=new_site&strategy=SMT&visitor_id=RmcNx2IqIqP3osKfV0krho
Thank You ,Sir.
4CM (four cable method): used when you want one effect before the amp and a second effect in the amp effects loop.
The four cables used in this method are:
Cable from guitar to first effect input.
Cable from first effect output to guitar amp input.
Cable from guitar amp effects send to second effect input.
Cable from second effect output to guitar amp effects return.
If the guitar amplifier is a combo amplifier with a built-in speaker, there will often be a wire running from the speaker output of the guitar amplifier to the input terminals of the speaker, but this wire may not have plugs/jacks on them and may not be a connection that made/unmade by the user. Because of this, the connection between the speaker output of the guitar amplifier and speaker is not counted in 4CM.
Hi man, nice job, can you help me to change amp1 channel with midi control on ms3? I have another midi control that work great but ms3 not work, thanks
HI Hermano. I do not have the MIDI1 cable for my Amp1, so I'm not sure. You do need the MIDI1 cable from Bluguitar for MIDI to work with Amp1. Amp1 is always on MIDI channel one. Program change messages are used to switch channels on Amp1. 1,2,3&4 control boost on/off and reverb on/off. Also try 12, 22, 32 & 42 as these switch between clean, vintage, classic and modern. Lastly, here is a link to video the shows how to set your MS-3 to send these program change messages on MIDI channel 1 th-cam.com/video/6VtbvObSV08/w-d-xo.html
Nurettin has just released a good video of how to configure Amp1 to work with MS-3. You can see it here: th-cam.com/video/b5GzoKm5dAI/w-d-xo.html
How can you have the ms3 in the amp1 loop and have the guitar hit the ms3 first?
Scott: please see my recent comment for the Boss MS-3 to Amp1 connection chart and my comment about the 4CM (four cable method).
It may seem weird because the the MS-3 has three loops, and the Amp1 has a loop, and both the MS-3 and Amp1 have guitar inputs.
I connect my guitar to the Boss MS-3 main input. The Boss MS-3 sends my guitar out of MS-3 loop2 to Amp1 guitar input. The Amp1 comes back into the MS-3 via the MS-3 Loop 2 return. The output of the MS-3 goes to the Amp1 via the Amp1 FX return.
If that is not enough info to answer your question, please post again and I’ll give your answer another attempt.
I got it, 4cm. I was confused as you said the MS3 was in the loop of the AMP1, which I assumed to be the typical in the loop configuration. For 4CM, I find it useful to think of it as having the AMP1 preamp in the loop of the MS3, and the MS3 output going to the AMP1 power amp.
You're right about all of that. I also think of the Amp1 preamp being in the loop of the MS-3. The main thing the video shows is how well that works. It seems like the MS-3 was made for the Amp1!
Can you advice me about settingh the midi between AMP1 & MS3?
I am struggling to assign the right way :(
Hi William. I am controlling the Amp1 though the foot switch jack. CTL1 output of my MS-3 is connected to my Amp1, so I am not using MIDI. I do set the control settings in MS-3, but there is nothing to set on the Amp1.
I am a programm dummie :(
I connected 4CM as noticed in this topic but .......
How do I assign the CTL out to channel switching on AMP1
Sometimes it is better to find out yourself ;-)
I found out how to set up MIDI with AMP1, and it works well.....
Anyway thanks for the info.
EDIT > OUTPUT > Enter > CTLOUT1 > ON CTLOUT2 >ON. Adjust CTLOUT1 & CTLOUT2 as you want them for each preset. You can also set one of the foot switches of the MS-3 to switch the CTLOUT1 for your amp, here's how: EDIT > CTL > ENTER > NUM1 > ENTER > FUNC > CTLOUT1 > MODE > TOGGLE > ACTION > OFF/ON. NUM1 was the choice for footswitch 1 to control the amp. Choose NUM2 for switch two, etc. OFF/ON may be reversed to select the amp channel statue prior to using the MS-3 switch. I hope that helps.
I also have run a rig with the mercury amp1 + MS-3 and external pedals. It’s a monster versatile rig. This vid is great, covers a lot! I have a DEEP DIVE video series for the BOSS MS-3 including getting extra FX within one patch, and striving for strymon (big verb patch). Here is playlist: th-cam.com/play/PLcpqei2Jc9BHSgTZ8tzmAvmahCGGaigC1.html&si=fxo6su9cJs-Yn6M1
I like your videos. Nice demonstration of using the MS-3 Editor. I'll have to try that. Thanks for the link.
....is there a reason why no one - and i do mean no one - ever demos the internal dirt/overdrive/distortion/fuzz tones?
CrossCurrents Caledon there are loads of demos of the overdrive channels!
From what I've heard they're not really that good.