Just want to say that I absolutely love your humour - "your side project which is destined to fail", saying "sharding" but putting "sharting" on-screen, etc... Actually helps me retain the information because the laughs are keeping me focused, whereas other TH-camrs lose me within seconds due to their long-winded, monotone, no-nonsense approach to teaching programming concepts.
Start your project now by building your backend from scratch ❌ Spend endless hours looking at BaaS alternatives and never actually start your project ✅
Start your project now by building your backend from scratch ❌ Spend endless hours looking at BaaS alternatives and never actually start your project ❌ Forget about the original project and create your own BaaS platform because none of the existing ones out there fit your "taste" ✅
So wait, all these services (firebase, supabase anythinbase) are used to avoid making a backend with node, flask, Django, c# etc? I really thought they were meant to host your backend lol Very noob much wow
I've been running Supabase self hosted for a long time now, deploying on x86 was a really painless process if you follow their guide, and on the 1 CPU, 1GB of RAM I bought for the side project it's for it works great (the project also has super low traffic, but the specs are comparable to a basic Supabase plan). The only kink was when I tried to deploy on ARM, despite the images saying they're built for ARM and Supabase claiming they built them for ARM, the Postgres image simply doesn't work (the others do though). After a log of work, just building Postgres image from the supabase/postgres repo manually worked like a charm.
Hope you don’t mind me asking, but I’ve been wondering if I might try hosting it for my projects too, but no cloud functions in the self hosted version has me hesitating. Has that been a problem for you at all?
I’m about to migrate from Firebase to Self Hosted Supabase for our infra for some client specific storage location requirements that cannot be met through GCP. Obviously I came to Fireship for inspiration!! Happy to read comments that say it’s not too tough ❤ 🤞
Writing a backend feels quite easy and fun to me. Frontend now just feels like an endless maddening search for the one true framework, hacking together a UI with CSS and a glorified text markup language, guessing types until you get a type error, and other nonsense. Writing a backend feels like you're engineering an intricate system with a goal of describing your data and how it changes state. You can choose any framework or programming language, use whatever cool thing you found convenient without fearing browser compatibility, and focus on real problems. It's quite fun if you have the time and it doesn't grow into a spaghetti codebase.
Thanks for sharing this project, I am very excited to try it myself! Sqlite is a great database solution, but very underrated because engineers in companies gravitate towards complex setups to justify their jobs and salaries.
Haha this is 100% true. Unfortunately I am one of those. Corps that can afford M$ stack can afford to buy me all the shiny toys I so desire. But hell if I am using M$ for my side projects.
i just rolled my own backend + api framework instead. after chasing my tail a little bit it’s now at a good point of stability and i really like it. it’s basically just micro services but in a single daemon w/ hot loading
Hosting Supabase on my VPS behind Traefik currently and honestly didn't find it all that hard. Sure, some things were a bit finicky and not obvious but it wasn't a hair pulling exercise in my experience.
That database pricing feels high. You can get 5/8 as much on CockroachDB's serverless free tier. They're PostgreSQL-compatible and built on automatic sharding. Speaking of which, it's time to add Firebase, Superbase, and Pockebase to Offering Overview. Feel free to contact me if there are any details you'd like added - links in my channel's About page.
With so many tools and framework coming out everyday. Developers really need start taking meditation classes to know which is right for their projects.
Sounds like it could be a real Firebase killer if they figured out horizontal scaling, and maybe added more SDKs. C# is more popular than Dart for desktop.
> Sees firebase videos Alright seems good enough, gonna try to use it in my project > Posts supabase video Now... Okay will be worthy at long term if i want to selfhost > Goes back to firebase given sql databases and foreign tables are too much for me >Posts another alternative to both Pls can this end 😂
@@danielchettiar5670 Agreed. Being nosql is a downside of firebase, not an advantage. It gives you a document store that handles simple cases well and is relatively idiotproof in terms of making it difficult to accidentally create a poorly optimized query, but it can't handle anything complex that SQL or Cypher could.
@@BosonCollider Yeah exactly. Like even just in terms of making of yourself marketable for jobs, any serious endeavour out there tends to use SQL. So you just end up hurting yourself.
I am not sure about SQLite because it lacks concurrency. I mean it sure can READ concurrently. But when it comes to writing, it does get DATABASE LOCKs (SQLITE_BUSY error) even in WAL mode. Edit: It's not DEADLOCK. It's a DATABASE LOCK / Just LOCK. My Bad.
Thanks awesome as always! Lacking authorization is a huge deal breaker for me because i dont see much going on there yet But since we are talking alternatives here, It would be an interesting challenge if you manage to scale your side-project by sharding the business logic, e.g have a pocketbase server per client-organization and maybe add a another layer of pocketbase for syncing between the client nodes ( k8s to the rescue.. ). of course risking your future business success does not sound like a solid plan so most of us will just stick with the usual suspects.
@@divingradish i feel like people use “lightweight” as an excuse for being sub-par. whats the importance of it being lightweight? can it handle more requests? even then, i would argue that being horizontally scalable is more important than being 10% faster but only vertically scalable
@@RedCapOfDeath the importance being lightweight? use less resource. One main point of PocketBase is easy to deploy by not-too-tech-savvy people. Is it faster than others? I don't really know. Probably not. But that's not the point. If horizontally scalable is more important for you, then PocketBase is not for you.
I wonder what a difference is made in statically linking most of the object code into the one executable is made. If sqlite is embedded, then that likely points to cgo being used. However, I think sqlite can be compiled statically too; does one need to drag glibc along for the ride?
"Destined to fail, but if not.. does it scale" This should be the motto for all side projects
Story of my f’n life
lol😟
I laughed so hard because it is true and also my life story
"Nah. I'd win."
Just want to say that I absolutely love your humour - "your side project which is destined to fail", saying "sharding" but putting "sharting" on-screen, etc...
Actually helps me retain the information because the laughs are keeping me focused, whereas other TH-camrs lose me within seconds due to their long-winded, monotone, no-nonsense approach to teaching programming concepts.
I'm glad I was alone in the room when "your side project which is destined to fail" came up, I started 😂 like an idiot
Start your project now by building your backend from scratch ❌
Spend endless hours looking at BaaS alternatives and never actually start your project ✅
That's the way
why you gotta call me out like that
Start your project now by building your backend from scratch ❌
Spend endless hours looking at BaaS alternatives and never actually start your project ❌
Forget about the original project and create your own BaaS platform because none of the existing ones out there fit your "taste" ✅
So wait, all these services (firebase, supabase anythinbase) are used to avoid making a backend with node, flask, Django, c# etc?
I really thought they were meant to host your backend lol
Very noob much wow
@@wlockuz4467 Thats how most frameworks were born, maybe
He said he was gonna look at pocketbase over the weekend and here we are. Boy does he deliver!
Perfect for my side project which is "destined to fail!" 🤣
spoken like a true freelancer, hooraah.
If I expect my side project to fail, and it does fail, then it met expectations.
And if it met expectations, was it really a failure? 🤔
@@JohnDoe4321 dayum this guy here giving existential crisis to all freelancers
It is bound to fail because packetbase hasn't even reached version 1 yet
I've been running Supabase self hosted for a long time now, deploying on x86 was a really painless process if you follow their guide, and on the 1 CPU, 1GB of RAM I bought for the side project it's for it works great (the project also has super low traffic, but the specs are comparable to a basic Supabase plan). The only kink was when I tried to deploy on ARM, despite the images saying they're built for ARM and Supabase claiming they built them for ARM, the Postgres image simply doesn't work (the others do though). After a log of work, just building Postgres image from the supabase/postgres repo manually worked like a charm.
Hope you don’t mind me asking, but I’ve been wondering if I might try hosting it for my projects too, but no cloud functions in the self hosted version has me hesitating. Has that been a problem for you at all?
how to protect supabase studio? i don't have experience with traeffic.
@@winkleraron8175 Cloud functions haven't been a problem for me personally, I use Cloudflare Workers for anything on the edge.
Still years after arm went mainstream… arm support for docker images is abysmal.
I’m about to migrate from Firebase to Self Hosted Supabase for our infra for some client specific storage location requirements that cannot be met through GCP.
Obviously I came to Fireship for inspiration!! Happy to read comments that say it’s not too tough ❤ 🤞
You know what, You convinced me to build my own backend. It seems way more easier than using and managing these.
That is always the end goal, but you can create an MVP in half the time using a BAAS.
That's the Truth 100%. I highly recommend Laravel. The tooling and ecosystem is really amazing
Hello, yes I would like to sell my own BaaS using a BaaS as a backend.
For many CRUD apps just setting up a database plus Hasura may also be an option.
Writing a backend feels quite easy and fun to me. Frontend now just feels like an endless maddening search for the one true framework, hacking together a UI with CSS and a glorified text markup language, guessing types until you get a type error, and other nonsense. Writing a backend feels like you're engineering an intricate system with a goal of describing your data and how it changes state. You can choose any framework or programming language, use whatever cool thing you found convenient without fearing browser compatibility, and focus on real problems. It's quite fun if you have the time and it doesn't grow into a spaghetti codebase.
you gotta be kidding me, I literally got to know about PocketBase about 12 hours ago and here's a Fireship video on it woah
It really looks amazing. Self-hosting is the best hosting.
what about security when your webapp starts scaling? self-hosting is cool if your app keeps simple
Thanks for sharing this project, I am very excited to try it myself! Sqlite is a great database solution, but very underrated because engineers in companies gravitate towards complex setups to justify their jobs and salaries.
Haha this is 100% true. Unfortunately I am one of those. Corps that can afford M$ stack can afford to buy me all the shiny toys I so desire. But hell if I am using M$ for my side projects.
"Side projects that's destined to fail"
Developers: Why are we here, just to suffer!
Exactly my thought. It's a bitter truth. In last Code review, he mentioned 5 users and I was like. yeah. just kill me.
Apparently so💀
i just rolled my own backend + api framework instead. after chasing my tail a little bit it’s now at a good point of stability and i really like it. it’s basically just micro services but in a single daemon w/ hot loading
Hosting Supabase on my VPS behind Traefik currently and honestly didn't find it all that hard. Sure, some things were a bit finicky and not obvious but it wasn't a hair pulling exercise in my experience.
Amazing video. I think Directus is also a great Firebase alternative.
I’ve already made 7 JavaScript frameworks since this came out.
Missed an opportunity to add a reverb on the “Does it scale”
My side project will never fail...
(*points to temple black man meme).
If I never start it!
Always enjoy your videos so much. Just last week I was checking pocketbase and it put me to think too 🤔. A video about surrealdb would be great.
Yes, surrealdb next please :)
Idk if removing the flashing intro was even asked, but thank you mister for our eyes !
Just wonna say, I love your videos and the way you present them to audience is brilliant . Thx ☺
would love a 100 seconds of surrealDB. it looks very interesting and unique, and written in rust ofc
1:54 Poor Firebase, it sharted itself...
You are a bless to the dev community
Can u do a small tutorial on pocketbase
That database pricing feels high. You can get 5/8 as much on CockroachDB's serverless free tier. They're PostgreSQL-compatible and built on automatic sharding.
Speaking of which, it's time to add Firebase, Superbase, and Pockebase to Offering Overview. Feel free to contact me if there are any details you'd like added - links in my channel's About page.
YES TO THE PROXIMITY HOVER TUTORIAL :)
"The next MySpace" 😂 One of your best ever lines Jeff
Awesome !!!!!!
Thank you so much for this jeff… im building a little scratchpad for my team
Wooooo, time to support the devs, Pocketbase is GOAT
Oh it used Svelte for its dashboard? I am switching immediately.
I changed two lines in pocketbase source code and now I have SQL cypher encryption on the database file.
With so many tools and framework coming out everyday. Developers really need start taking meditation classes to know which is right for their projects.
Sounds like it could be a real Firebase killer if they figured out horizontal scaling, and maybe added more SDKs. C# is more popular than Dart for desktop.
Yo after 50 seconds i am sold. Looks incredible!😍
Would love to see a video on SurrealDB. Looks like an incredible new technology
> Sees firebase videos
Alright seems good enough, gonna try to use it in my project
> Posts supabase video
Now... Okay will be worthy at long term if i want to selfhost
> Goes back to firebase given sql databases and foreign tables are too much for me
>Posts another alternative to both
Pls can this end 😂
It never ends. There's always "one more thing" around the corner. You just have to pick a tech stack and get good at it.
You gotta learn SQL, it's part of the fundamentals. Don't run from it, it's not that hard
@@danielchettiar5670 Agreed. Being nosql is a downside of firebase, not an advantage. It gives you a document store that handles simple cases well and is relatively idiotproof in terms of making it difficult to accidentally create a poorly optimized query, but it can't handle anything complex that SQL or Cypher could.
@@BosonCollider Yeah exactly. Like even just in terms of making of yourself marketable for jobs, any serious endeavour out there tends to use SQL. So you just end up hurting yourself.
Pfirst blook?
this in combination with railway is just fantastic to use !
How did you deploy it on railway? I had to deploy via a dockerfile in a github repo. I was wondering if there is an easier way
Damn that looks wonderful. Already made a small introduction about this nice piece of software :). Thanks for making this video
You could scale on the z-axis by dividing your userbase into regions etc.
"Your side project that's destined to fail"... Instant subscribe
I love SQLite, I always use it for my projects. Good to see it gettin the love
Finally, somebody who spells sharting correctly.
this is right what i need! gonna restart my side-project again
I am not sure about SQLite because it lacks concurrency. I mean it sure can READ concurrently. But when it comes to writing, it does get DATABASE LOCKs (SQLITE_BUSY error) even in WAL mode.
Edit: It's not DEADLOCK. It's a DATABASE LOCK / Just LOCK. My Bad.
Dead lock != SQLITE_BUSY error
@@tomlxyz Yep my bad. I typed DEADLOCK instead of Database lock.
So its open source, whats stopping you from using other db in it
I've heard people saying "appwrite" is a better experience than pocketbase. But I haven't used either.
It is blazing fast, baby!
Go FTW! 💙
#suggestion Idea: Get most popular technologies and get their open source alternatives in the Code Report, like this one
Please do videos on side hustle projects. Love from India 🇮🇳
Would love a video on Uppy!
Vault Hashicorp or Ansible in 100 secs
Still going to stick with Supabase! But this is certainly an interesting option.
I would love a video about surrealdb
1:42 hey that's really mean, my side projects are always unfinished so they NEVER fail
Awesome how in the logs of the demo we can see that the date this video went live we went from 25 to 4920 requests and growing
Awesome find. A more in-depth video would be very interesting.
PostgreSQL can be scaled horizontally.
thanks, will try this
We need a rust alternative for the go alternative for the typescript alternative
Please make video on your journey as a developer and the ups-downs you faced. btw love watching your video and it inspires a lot ^_^
You should see Strapi!!!
Thanks awesome as always!
Lacking authorization is a huge deal breaker for me because i dont see much going on there yet
But since we are talking alternatives here, It would be an interesting challenge if you manage to scale your side-project by sharding the business logic, e.g have a pocketbase server per client-organization and maybe add a another layer of pocketbase for syncing between the client nodes ( k8s to the rescue.. ).
of course risking your future business success does not sound like a solid plan so most of us will just stick with the usual suspects.
I learn and have fun. Perfect!
It was a long time since I laughed as much as I did at 1:54... It completely caught me off guard
I remember building MySpace :)
Should have mentioned it's not production ready yet
oh man I never get bored of the sarcastic comments in these videos 😁
1:54 I gotta ask, was "sharting" intentional? 😂
This review is really really informative
Fantastic! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Nice. I love go. I'll see this new tech.
Can scale if you're building peer to peer apps ⚜️
I scale, therefor I shart 🔥
can you make a video about erlang
Helpline📲📥⬆️
Questions can come in⬆️
How do you feel about Railway?
Thanks for your great Ideas
I think we need a planetscale 100s video
by the name, it makes sense.
"That's destined to fail"
Bro... don't ruin my immersion 😂
How do you feel about Sanity?
Helpline📲📥⬆️
Questions can come in⬆️
Liked for sharting
Great video
1:40 The Linux experiment?
Oooh! Any chance you’re considering a course on pocket base on pro?
Now show us how to do that animation on the landing page, following the mouse :))
I am new at front end dev and your vids have helped so much!
If it doesn't scale, doesn't support cloud functions, and doesn't come with it's own UI for registration/login, is it really a *base alternative?
lightweight alternative
@@divingradish i feel like people use “lightweight” as an excuse for being sub-par. whats the importance of it being lightweight? can it handle more requests? even then, i would argue that being horizontally scalable is more important than being 10% faster but only vertically scalable
@@RedCapOfDeath the importance being lightweight? use less resource.
One main point of PocketBase is easy to deploy by not-too-tech-savvy people.
Is it faster than others? I don't really know. Probably not. But that's not the point.
If horizontally scalable is more important for you, then PocketBase is not for you.
I wonder what a difference is made in statically linking most of the object code into the one executable is made. If sqlite is embedded, then that likely points to cgo being used. However, I think sqlite can be compiled statically too; does one need to drag glibc along for the ride?
sqlite can be used without cgo
sevlte? i am sold...
1:40 Did I just see The Linux Experiment in your video?
1:54 Sharting and Sharding are two VERY different things
Not a firebase alternative but surrealDB looks awesome
probably worth noting pocketbase isn't even 1.0 yet. seems cool though
Gopher looks like buff gumball
why did I not get a notification for this video? why youtube?
Nice video bruv
Nice Video From My Fav Yt Creator :-)