Have you ever heard the rumor of if you set a battery on the ground it will kill it ,I don't know if there is any merit to this ,whats you thought on that ???
G'day, Blair. That was an old mechanic's tale back in the day but there's no substance to it. At least not today. Many years ago, in the days of wooden-cased batteries and glass cells, or even battery cells without a case, power could discharge into concrete under different scenarios. Modern batteries don't have that issue.
Like the Boss said, wives tale. But what can deplete a battery is a dirty top. Wet, sandy, greasy top of a battery will carry volts across the top and deplete it. On a dirty battery you can actually read the voltage being carried through the dirt with a meter.
We’ve used NoCo products at our airplane museum for years and have always been happy with them. I have a NoCo jump starter in each car, have rescued several others with them! And once a month top off each car battery with my maintainer.
You did good. I have had great success returning batteries to usefulness over the years. (2 out of about 8 never came back) The repair sends pulses through the battery that break off/up the Sulfate that covers the Lead plates and makes it easier for the charge to change the Sulfates back to Sulfuric Acid. This repair usually works unless there is an internal short in the battery. I have repeatedly repaired and then charged batteries for up to 2 weeks with the voltage increasing every cycle. Smile and be nice.🙂
I helped my neighbor replace the fuel pump in his 1991 South wind motorhome.that was a bit of a trick.droping the fuel tank then unbolting the pump off the top of the tank.the biggest pain in the butt was sliding the tank forward to boult it back in.all we had were straps to lower n raise the tank.it was an experience for a shade tree mechanic as I call myself.but the camper is purring like a kitten now.
Rich, I love it. I was saying to myself, I bet Rich puts a jump pack in the trunk and drives it for awhile with that battery. You're a man after my own heart, ALWAYS have back-up.
Okay, that was an interesting result. Hmm, cool. That jacket wins it all. You should have a formal introduction and thousands of followers cheering you on whenever you put it on :) it really is cool! Enjoy your day and be safe...
Glad that charger saved your battery. I'm sad that the 12v battery in the cub cadet that was my dads will no longer hold a charge. Dad bought the battery in 2011, he passed away in 2017. i have been using it every season since I came home to take care of mom.
I use a pulsetech 12vdc pulse module on my rigs. It's supposed to pulse the battery the entire time it's installed so as its in the vehicle it's supposed to desulfate all the time. So far so good. I have a old redtop on our family rig with it installed. 05 qx56. It was not holding a charge when it was gifted to me. I also have a solar maintainer installed to keep it charged up. Would be cool to see you put one to the test on your car to see if it improves the battery's overall state of charge. Lobe the videos keep them coming.
I agree, the Pulsetech powerpulse desulfator works when left in place. The Pulsetech 3amp solar charger also pulses during it's charging cycle and I use one in parallel with my mowers and tractor to keep them in shape during the winter months. 👍
Same thing here, yesterday I opend the Toy Hauler and expected to see the Battery Tender plugged into the Zero Turn mower.... "OH Crap", the plug is laying on the floor??? yep, battery measured about 3ish volts, battery chargers would not accept it.... use the Jump Pack you mentioned and started the mower, it ran half a day on our acreage.... put it on the Battery Tender when we finished at Dark Thirty, and this morning, the Battery Tender is "Green", and the DVM shows 13.03 --- might get another summer out of it
I have NoCo Genius 5 and 10 amp, and a couple of Battery Minders (A normal one and one just for AGM batteries). I’ll vouch for both the NoCo Genius and the Battery Minder. The key is to use especially the Battery Minder on a NEW battery. Easily doubles the life and keeps the CCA at spec. With my ‘13 Focus, I got 9 years out of the stock battery, which I would consider “low maintenance” and not Maintenance Free. I made sure to check the electrolyte level several times a year, added distilled water when required. The NoCo Repair Mode sounds like an old fashioned “equalizing charge,” which is a controlled and deliberate overcharge. With industrial equipment like battery forklift trucks, you should do an equalizing charge as often as weekly Good info Rich, thanks for the video
Another great video. Keep up the good work. I was wondering how much you trusted the battery, and then I heard your plan to take along the jump pack. It will interesting to see how long it lasts. Here in Las Vegas, the heat absolutely kills batteries. 4 years is an old battery out here. You're recent videos of "not Fords" have been great. We can see your talent.
Hi Rich I have had a CTEK trickle charger on my baby for 10yrs or more and I switch her on every Sunday. I have only had to change the battery once in that time and the Saab 2.8 V6s are known for going through battery’s. But I would agree now I’d say any decent charger would work. Bless you Man. Steve Westmoreland 👨🏻🦳♿️🇬🇧🛠️🛠️❤️👍
Ever tried to discharge one and reverse charge it and discharge and charge it correctly again to see how a dead battery does? Heard good things about it from a few peeps but i havent gotten around trying it out myself yet so i cant say for sure if it works or not for real Pleasure as always Sir, keep em coming
Thank you for sharing your journey with the NOCO GENIUS 5. Thanks for your service. I bought the NOCO GENIUS 1 and love it. However, I want/need the battery reconditioning (found in your GENIUS 5) so I'm likely keeping the NOCO GENIUS 1 (for mower and future battery maintainer duties) and use the GENIUS 5 for bad batteries and recharges in the future.
There’s a company called pulse tech that makes a maintainer/desulfater that is meant to be installed in the engine bay and constantly be in circuit with the starter battery. I’ve read that it takes weeks to remove the crystallized electrolyte on the plates though.
I've heard it takes about a day per pound of lead in the battery. I put mine on when the original battery was about 3 years old, and it lasted over 12 years.
Magic Smoke has the best detailed info on the Noco Gen5 and the CTEK. The scoop on the repair modes between these two. Noco is much more aggressive/longer recondition mode and requires the battery to be disconnected. CTEK has a gentler/kinder/shorter recondition mode that is safe with the battery connected to the car. My summation is use CTEK recondition mode once a year on batteries that have been taken care of. Use the Noco if you are trying to bring a poorly maintained problematic battery back to life.
In Magic Smoke's teardowns of the Noco and CTEK you can see that the Noco seems to have a better mechanical/electrical design. Both chargers seem to have software designs that are pretty good. I've been using CTEKs on my BMW that sits for months at a time with good luck.
Boss, I've restored a lot of batteries before. I have never succeeded with a modern smart battery charger. The only thing that has worked for me takes about 2-3 weeks using a combination of a 50 year old 12V2A/6V4A charger on a timer 8h/d with a cheapo harbor freight 500mA smart charger 24/7. One battery was 0.0v completely dead after sitting in a car in a field for 3-5 years. I see no reason why a smart charger couldn't do that, and maybe this one does, but it's going to take a lot longer than that to properly desulfate. It is faster with more current, but then the battery is not actually fixed. Without disassembling the battery and desulfating each cell individually it can't be done faster without seriously imbalanced internal resistance. You're not getting around Peukert. Obviously I don't know the full history of that battery, two days might be enough. It's just not usually enough.
I also agree, if a lead acid battery is left idle for a long period of time and sulfates, it could take many moons to restore if at all. If the cells are low on fluid, sulfation will occur and it can take months to restore. After topping off the cells, hitting it with controlled current (manual battery charger, even a stick welder.. there are several youtube videos on it) intervals may help break loose the sulfates and gradually restore the cells. I had one marine battery take nearly a year to fully recover, but it took combination of controlled, manual charging, dis-charging cycles, voltage monitoring, desulfator (during resting periods), etc. to make it happen. Patience, grasshopper.. 🦗
I thought the Noco was more money than $60? Not bad, at all? If you need the next step up in performance, I'd recommend the Topdon TB 6000 Pro? This is not a paid or sponsored promotion, it's just a impressive little unit I picked up a few months ago, since I was always wanting a premium featured battery tester, like a Midtronics one, but didn't want or need to spend a small fortune testing lawn mower and vehicle batteries of my own? I am well versed in testing and diagnosing batteries, with just a multimeter, much more than I give myself credit for, but was getting sick of not knowing for sure, the actual health of a suspect battery? This Topdon battery tester/charger really impressed the hell at of me, on it's build quality and it's features, so I pulled the trigger, per say? It did revive a dead or battery, that it actually said was bad, so I tried the repair function a few time's, and it's fixed, for now, only time will tell, when I put it in the vehicle, just like you did in your car? Good video, sir.
Good video. How is the battery holding up 8 months later? I have a Pulsetech PowerPulse passive desulfator connected to my BMW battery at all times for the past three year, and don't have a garage with a power outlet where I can use a battery charger and maintainer when I am not driving the car, but it always starts even though I only drive 25 miles a week. Merry Christmas to you and your family and everyone.
Solar flares our as dad would say "If it's electric it has the right to fail at anytime anyplace anywhere and for no reason at all". Constant ground like my 86 STE AIR RIDE SYSTEM has a micro leak somewhere. I hate MESAYS TOO PEASAS.
The old batteries with caps it was said if you needed one more start just to get you going you could pee in it. I was never that stuck where I had to so I don’t know for sure
To tell you the truth I am shocked I thought once you installed it in your car it would go click click click it wouldn't have enough juice to start your vehicle up but I was surprised cool
Had my Noko Genius 2 (no repair function but twin battery charger/maintainer) for 3 years, and this morning replaced the 4 year old optimate 'red top' AGM that has just failed, not sure if its helped or not, but Noko 'confirmed the kill' by failing to add ANY charge in 24hrs, when a couple of days ago, a couple of hours on the Noko made for a sweet start, even on a frosty morning 🧊 🌄 Why do my batteries always die on Easter weekend?? 🥚 🥳 🎊 Will it be magically resurrected if I leave it on the Noko for 40 days and 40 nights????
@@FordBossMe thank you for your reply! I hate to bug you further but if you would be so kind, I’m not sure what you mean by battery cable. I’m hoping I can pop the hod, hook up the genius 5 to the terminals, plug it in and charge it. Is it that simple?
You saved yourself $100-$200 on a new battery, but now you need to find another battery to save. Some batteries are very specialized and weird sized $300-$400+
Solar flares our as dad would say "If it's electric it has the right to fail at anytime anyplace anywhere and for no reason at all". Constant ground like my 86 STE AIR RIDE SYSTEM has a micro leak somewhere. I hate MESAYS TOO PEASAS.
Have you ever heard the rumor of if you set a battery on the ground it will kill it ,I don't know if there is any merit to this ,whats you thought on that ???
G'day, Blair. That was an old mechanic's tale back in the day but there's no substance to it. At least not today. Many years ago, in the days of wooden-cased batteries and glass cells, or even battery cells without a case, power could discharge into concrete under different scenarios. Modern batteries don't have that issue.
I have heard that if on concrete.
That's just an old wives tale there's no truth to that
Negative Earth = ground-ing
Like the Boss said, wives tale. But what can deplete a battery is a dirty top. Wet, sandy, greasy top of a battery will carry volts across the top and deplete it. On a dirty battery you can actually read the voltage being carried through the dirt with a meter.
We’ve used NoCo products at our airplane museum for years and have always been happy with them. I have a NoCo jump starter in each car, have rescued several others with them! And once a month top off each car battery with my maintainer.
You did good.
I have had great success returning batteries to usefulness over the years. (2 out of about 8 never came back)
The repair sends pulses through the battery that break off/up the Sulfate that covers the Lead plates and makes it easier for the charge to change the Sulfates back to Sulfuric Acid.
This repair usually works unless there is an internal short in the battery.
I have repeatedly repaired and then charged batteries for up to 2 weeks with the voltage increasing every cycle.
Smile and be nice.🙂
I helped my neighbor replace the fuel pump in his 1991 South wind motorhome.that was a bit of a trick.droping the fuel tank then unbolting the pump off the top of the tank.the biggest pain in the butt was sliding the tank forward to boult it back in.all we had were straps to lower n raise the tank.it was an experience for a shade tree mechanic as I call myself.but the camper is purring like a kitten now.
Sweet! Surprised it came back so strong. Would be interesting to see how many amps it throws with a load tester. Have a great day Rich!
That jacket is slick 👍 just the tender feature alone is worth the money, nice follow up 👊
Pretty impressive result. I'm curious to see the long-term.
Rich, I love it. I was saying to myself, I bet Rich puts a jump pack in the trunk and drives it for awhile with that battery. You're a man after my own heart, ALWAYS have back-up.
You got that right!
That jacket though!!! Stylin' and profilin'!
Desulfators are great! I've had one on my 98 since 2001. The original battery lasted over 12 years, but the last one only lasted 9...bummer.
Perhaps a function of decreased quality in the manufacturing of the second battery when compared to the previous?
@@PNW-LOGGING-HOMESTEAD : That's my excuse too. LOL
Okay, that was an interesting result. Hmm, cool.
That jacket wins it all. You should have a formal introduction and thousands of followers cheering you on whenever you put it on :) it really is cool!
Enjoy your day and be safe...
This has been a very interesting series of videos. Thanks for sharing Rich.
If this works on lawn and garden batteries I'm getting one tomorrow!
Glad that charger saved your battery.
I'm sad that the 12v battery in the cub cadet that was my dads will no longer hold a charge. Dad bought the battery in 2011, he passed away in 2017. i have been using it every season since I came home to take care of mom.
Amazing little charger. It’s why my batteries have lasted so long. That and batteries with pop lids to check the acid levels.
I use a pulsetech 12vdc pulse module on my rigs. It's supposed to pulse the battery the entire time it's installed so as its in the vehicle it's supposed to desulfate all the time. So far so good. I have a old redtop on our family rig with it installed. 05 qx56. It was not holding a charge when it was gifted to me. I also have a solar maintainer installed to keep it charged up.
Would be cool to see you put one to the test on your car to see if it improves the battery's overall state of charge. Lobe the videos keep them coming.
I agree, the Pulsetech powerpulse desulfator works when left in place. The Pulsetech 3amp solar charger also pulses during it's charging cycle and I use one in parallel with my mowers and tractor to keep them in shape during the winter months. 👍
Same thing here, yesterday I opend the Toy Hauler and expected to see the Battery Tender plugged into the Zero Turn mower.... "OH Crap", the plug is laying on the floor??? yep, battery measured about 3ish volts, battery chargers would not accept it.... use the Jump Pack you mentioned and started the mower, it ran half a day on our acreage.... put it on the Battery Tender when we finished at Dark Thirty, and this morning, the Battery Tender is "Green", and the DVM shows 13.03 --- might get another summer out of it
I have NoCo Genius 5 and 10 amp, and a couple of Battery Minders (A normal one and one just for AGM batteries). I’ll vouch for both the NoCo Genius and the Battery Minder.
The key is to use especially the Battery Minder on a NEW battery. Easily doubles the life and keeps the CCA at spec. With my ‘13 Focus, I got 9 years out of the stock battery, which I would consider “low maintenance” and not Maintenance Free. I made sure to check the electrolyte level several times a year, added distilled water when required.
The NoCo Repair Mode sounds like an old fashioned “equalizing charge,” which is a controlled and deliberate overcharge. With industrial equipment like battery forklift trucks, you should do an equalizing charge as often as weekly
Good info Rich, thanks for the video
Another great video. Keep up the good work. I was wondering how much you trusted the battery, and then I heard your plan to take along the jump pack. It will interesting to see how long it lasts. Here in Las Vegas, the heat absolutely kills batteries. 4 years is an old battery out here. You're recent videos of "not Fords" have been great. We can see your talent.
Great battery maintainer for a car that sits for weeks. I killed two in 5 years without it by forgetting to charge them.
Appreciate your videos and reviews Rich.. Thanks for your help to all of us regular joes
My pleasure!
It renewed my riding mower battery a couple years ago. Paid for itself.
Hi Rich I have had a CTEK trickle charger on my baby for 10yrs or more and I switch her on every Sunday. I have only had to change the battery once in that time and the Saab 2.8 V6s are known for going through battery’s. But I would agree now I’d say any decent charger would work. Bless you Man. Steve Westmoreland 👨🏻🦳♿️🇬🇧🛠️🛠️❤️👍
Happy Easter from Sweden
Ever tried to discharge one and reverse charge it and discharge and charge it correctly again to see how a dead battery does? Heard good things about it from a few peeps but i havent gotten around trying it out myself yet so i cant say for sure if it works or not for real
Pleasure as always Sir, keep em coming
Thank you for sharing your journey with the NOCO GENIUS 5.
Thanks for your service.
I bought the NOCO GENIUS 1 and love it. However, I want/need the battery reconditioning (found in your GENIUS 5) so I'm likely keeping the NOCO GENIUS 1 (for mower and future battery maintainer duties) and use the GENIUS 5 for bad batteries and recharges in the future.
There’s a company called pulse tech that makes a maintainer/desulfater that is meant to be installed in the engine bay and constantly be in circuit with the starter battery. I’ve read that it takes weeks to remove the crystallized electrolyte on the plates though.
I've heard it takes about a day per pound of lead in the battery. I put mine on when the original battery was about 3 years old, and it lasted over 12 years.
Noco makes a nice product. I have been using them for a few years.
Rich, have you entertained the idea of getting the Marauder’s corner lights and headlights for your Marquis?
Nice. I'd love to test this on my snowmobile batteries. I'll let you know my results.
Magic Smoke has the best detailed info on the Noco Gen5 and the CTEK. The scoop on the repair modes between these two. Noco is much more aggressive/longer recondition mode and requires the battery to be disconnected. CTEK has a gentler/kinder/shorter recondition mode that is safe with the battery connected to the car. My summation is use CTEK recondition mode once a year on batteries that have been taken care of. Use the Noco if you are trying to bring a poorly maintained problematic battery back to life.
In Magic Smoke's teardowns of the Noco and CTEK you can see that the Noco seems to have a better mechanical/electrical design. Both chargers seem to have software designs that are pretty good. I've been using CTEKs on my BMW that sits for months at a time with good luck.
I also succeeded, even though the battery is 4 years old, as long as the battery is not completely dead, it can still be repaired using this noco
Boss, I've restored a lot of batteries before. I have never succeeded with a modern smart battery charger. The only thing that has worked for me takes about 2-3 weeks using a combination of a 50 year old 12V2A/6V4A charger on a timer 8h/d with a cheapo harbor freight 500mA smart charger 24/7. One battery was 0.0v completely dead after sitting in a car in a field for 3-5 years. I see no reason why a smart charger couldn't do that, and maybe this one does, but it's going to take a lot longer than that to properly desulfate. It is faster with more current, but then the battery is not actually fixed. Without disassembling the battery and desulfating each cell individually it can't be done faster without seriously imbalanced internal resistance. You're not getting around Peukert. Obviously I don't know the full history of that battery, two days might be enough. It's just not usually enough.
I also agree, if a lead acid battery is left idle for a long period of time and sulfates, it could take many moons to restore if at all. If the cells are low on fluid, sulfation will occur and it can take months to restore. After topping off the cells, hitting it with controlled current (manual battery charger, even a stick welder.. there are several youtube videos on it) intervals may help break loose the sulfates and gradually restore the cells. I had one marine battery take nearly a year to fully recover, but it took combination of controlled, manual charging, dis-charging cycles, voltage monitoring, desulfator (during resting periods), etc. to make it happen. Patience, grasshopper.. 🦗
Batteries are expensive for sure! Nice job! 👍
Hey Rich! Successful knee surgery today Monday the 10th. Have a great evening!
Beautiful keep me updated on how it's healing
Thanks for all you do
My guess is you’ll probably get a year out of it. That’s still a win.
I thought the Noco was more money than $60? Not bad, at all? If you need the next step up in performance, I'd recommend the Topdon TB 6000 Pro? This is not a paid or sponsored promotion, it's just a impressive little unit I picked up a few months ago, since I was always wanting a premium featured battery tester, like a Midtronics one, but didn't want or need to spend a small fortune testing lawn mower and vehicle batteries of my own? I am well versed in testing and diagnosing batteries, with just a multimeter, much more than I give myself credit for, but was getting sick of not knowing for sure, the actual health of a suspect battery? This Topdon battery tester/charger really impressed the hell at of me, on it's build quality and it's features, so I pulled the trigger, per say? It did revive a dead or battery, that it actually said was bad, so I tried the repair function a few time's, and it's fixed, for now, only time will tell, when I put it in the vehicle, just like you did in your car? Good video, sir.
I have a Topdon 6k too. I like it, esp with the the iPhone app.
I would sooner buy a new battery than chance needing a boost. When you need a boost it is always when you can’t afford the time 😅
awesome jacket
Good video. How is the battery holding up 8 months later? I have a Pulsetech PowerPulse passive desulfator connected to my BMW battery at all times for the past three year, and don't have a garage with a power outlet where I can use a battery charger and maintainer when I am not driving the car, but it always starts even though I only drive 25 miles a week. Merry Christmas to you and your family and everyone.
That merc is one clean car!
Solar flares our as dad would say "If it's electric it has the right to fail at anytime anyplace anywhere and for no reason at all". Constant ground like my 86 STE AIR RIDE SYSTEM has a micro leak somewhere. I hate MESAYS TOO PEASAS.
Some batteries will take up to 36 hours to fully de-sulphate all cells. I'd say if it fails again, try a longer run on the maintenance cycle.
I'm doing the same thing. I have my old battery in repair mode right now and then I'm going to drive around with a Noco boost just in case.
The old batteries with caps it was said if you needed one more start just to get you going you could pee in it. I was never that stuck where I had to so I don’t know for sure
Im wondering what a CCA Test yields.
That's coming
To tell you the truth I am shocked I thought once you installed it in your car it would go click click click it wouldn't have enough juice to start your vehicle up but I was surprised cool
Any comment on the quality of those Walmart Hart brand tools?
Decent for home stuff and garage stuff
Had my Noko Genius 2 (no repair function but twin battery charger/maintainer) for 3 years, and this morning replaced the 4 year old optimate 'red top' AGM that has just failed, not sure if its helped or not, but Noko 'confirmed the kill' by failing to add ANY charge in 24hrs, when a couple of days ago, a couple of hours on the Noko made for a sweet start, even on a frosty morning 🧊 🌄
Why do my batteries always die on Easter weekend?? 🥚 🥳 🎊
Will it be magically resurrected if I leave it on the Noko for 40 days and 40 nights????
Did the unit ever complete the repair cycle or did you keep disconnecting it before the cycle completed?
I let it complete each time
Can you use the NOCO to charge and repair while its still in the car or do you have to take it out?
You can do it in with the battery cable unplugged
@@FordBossMe thank you for your reply! I hate to bug you further but if you would be so kind, I’m not sure what you mean by battery cable. I’m hoping I can pop the hod, hook up the genius 5 to the terminals, plug it in and charge it. Is it that simple?
Yes, you can use the repair function with it still connected to the car. I've used it and it really helped the battery.
You could use one of those handheld battery testers to read the CCA. Easier than starting a car with it.
I could
I thought the real test of a battery was the cold cranking amps test? Put that battery in the freezer overnight and see how it works
You saved yourself $100-$200 on a new battery, but now you need to find another battery to save. Some batteries are very specialized and weird sized $300-$400+
Good review. Your review amongst others have made me a believer.
Solar flares our as dad would say "If it's electric it has the right to fail at anytime anyplace anywhere and for no reason at all". Constant ground like my 86 STE AIR RIDE SYSTEM has a micro leak somewhere. I hate MESAYS TOO PEASAS.