You take all the BS out of making violins! I've wanted to build a viol da gamba for about 30 years but I live in Britain so the classical establishment puts these things on a pedestal, now I think I'll give it a go! :)
Thankyou! Man-- I sure hope you do. Yes, violin world can be very oppressive. Please DO get started-- you will not regret it. I would love it if you could let me know how you progress!
Wow Jon, congrats on finishing it, really amazing results. This whole challenge has been fantastic to follow and see the results from such a common source. Huge props!
I have to say, I had my doubts at first, part 2 I was ready to give-up on your fiddle...by the end of part 3 I was amazed at the sound......very good job indeed. I have been playing since I was 5 years old, I'm soon to be 54, my latest violin cost me alittle more than$7700.00, it sounds awesome, but with the amount of money you spent on yours, I envy you. Keep up the good work sir.
Ha! Thanks so much! I envy the blessing I having the violin in your life that long. I missed out. Held my first violin in Febuary 3 years ago. I have a real expensive violin here that I hold up as a standard for myself. I enjoy the journey so much.
Just watched the series. It's great when people make this box store wood instruments, just shows people they can make great sounding/looking instruments with basic attainable materials. Excellent work.
Just found this today... heard the "NH dialect" after finding the violin building. Lived in Brookline NH for years. Your violin building and description is both interesting and down to earth. I often wondered about building a dulcimer from Home Depot woods, looking at those beautiful cedar boards. Wonderful work and the videos are great!!! plus.. the fiddle sounds great! :-)
Jon, on guitars and mandos, that little pointy area where the peg box (head stock, tuner head) meets the neck is called a volute. Don't know if it's the same on a violin. I'd call it a volute anyway, for sake of clarity. Now comes the fun part -- carving the scroll. Oh, yeah !! And the peg box thru the "head". Great job -- you've done this before, no doubt.
Nice job... sounds great! On top of doing a stellar job with the violin body and neck (I was most impressed with the look of the top!) , you also did what sounds like a great setup. Maybe you should talk about that sometime.
I admire your skills and patience, a beautiful instrument. Great job!!! I can visualize 100 years from now violin enthusiasts trying to identify the violin with the HomeDepot tag. I believe HomeDepot is a neighboring city of Cremona, right? LOL
And I loved that very much! We have a local luthier who made several violin using guava wood. and it doesn't sound much different from his maple/spruce violin. It is in the hands of the maker. Good job sir!
Thanks so much. I think a good spruce top is where most of the sound is formed-- the back is more of a reflector. Now, Cedar, has it's own sound. Hmmm...guava... like the fruit?
Great project and nice work on that violin! It's refreshing to see someone willing to demystify violin making - after all, they're basically a box with a handle! And definitely experiment with different timbers - you know what characteristics you want for each component, and there are so many ways to get there. I've heard some nice ones using Australian Huon pine and Jarrah. Anyhow - well done to you mate - great job!
Wonderful Videos. I'm just getting started as a Luthier Violin Player. The Poplar Wood has a Good wood grain pattern. Very Bright Sound, Excellent for Country Music. Thank You for your Wisdom. God Bless You Brother, in Jesus name...
@@grandpasmountain Amen, TY Bro. I will take You up on that. I recently purchased a 14 hole neck for My Violin but only going to put 8 strings on it. Helixcore Strings from Cello to Violin. Anyway My question is how to replace or restore a neck for a Fiddle or Violin???
@@franciscojhernandezjr2414 Oh, boy. It's hard to replace a neck. Not impossible. No way to simply write a comment and cover it! So many variables!!! Length, angle, proper fit...getting the old one off without destroying the instrument...
@@grandpasmountain Yes, I've been doing plenty of Research and have been collecting My Tools and Prayers Together for the Job. But I Dedicated Myself and Soon the Violin. That Reminds Me can I cook the Anointing Oil to Varnish, Seal, and Anoint My Violin at the same Time??? I have a Intense Desire to Play Rock Gospel Blues for Divine and Beloved GOD ADONAI...
Sounds great and looks great! I was surprised by the projection and brightness from it. It will probably sound even better in a few years! I do feel however that the shellac ends up detracting from the final look (very yellow and glossy) and the sound seems to have changed a bit for the worse from when you played the raw wood but of course it's hard to tell from a video. Maybe the thickness of the shellac is having a dampening effect. If you ever try this again I'd love to see you try it with a traditional varnish. Keep making violins!
Sounds damn good for an inexpensive experiment. When you do more violin videos, please consider recording a pro-level player with the fiddle so we can hear it at its best!
Hey I noticed an IH truck parked in your shop. I too have IH stuff 1965 1300 4x4, 1967 1000 pickup, and a 1939 pickup. Also, I am a emerging fiddle player 8 months, but a 30 year mandolin player.
That sounds like a wonderful collection! What you see is a perfectly restored 1960 with 18k original miles at the time of restoration. I love that truck...but...had to sell it to move to TN. I have a buy-back arrangement with the fellow, if things change for me. It was just too hard to take all my toys...sailboat, motorcycle, horses, etc. We left alot behind. Great to hear you're playing the violin! Like patting your head and rubbing your stomach, haha!
Thanks for the kind words, Casey. I learned woodworking from My grandpa. I often think of him when I carve. Really glad to hear you have a terrific geandfather, too.
Thanks, Greg! Funny...usually I talk to strangers and have no idea what their name is, and I feel too dumb to ask....on here...I know the name...I guess I feel to dumb to ask what people look like! Haha haha. Sorry, I'm a little punchy. Long day.
damn that was awesome,,, the fiddle turned out awesome, i think i might get one those kits for 60 dollars and redo the whole thing since i don t have the skills u had. u can pass that fiddle down to ur kids , damn they would love it,,,, sounds awesome.
You've inspired me! I play guitar, mandolin and violin. I'm happy with my guitars and violin but I only have a cheap rogue mandolin. I'm going to give a shot at making a F style mandolin! If that goes okay ill try a violin. I've got a lot of wood in my garage and the tools so I shouldn't have to buy too much. should be fun.
I think the f style mando is awesome....and probably more challenging than a fiddle. That's awesome. I have plans and materials here for a mandolin. Gonna do it one of these days!
This is a real hoot! I'm not a violin maker, but I've watched lots of TH-cam videos on violin making. So, that means I probably still don't know squat about violins. Anyhow, being a bit risk adverse, I would have used woods that at least match the density of the traditional woods. And I would have used varnish instead of shellac. Much harder. Nitpicking aside, this project deserves a big tip of the chapeau! A real inspiration!
Thanks.....These woods do happen to be traditional....spruce and poplar....but, my fiddles are an exploration of unusual materials for the most part. Shellac is harder than varnish, but it is an ancient finish that was used long before varnish....and many old violins are finished with it. My latest fiddle has shellac and is mellowing nicely. I prefer the smell and flexibility of varnish, personally, I really appreciate your kind words-- Thankyou.
You are talented sir. Thanks for taking the time to video your work. I'm a fair hand at wood working but this is beyond my skill. Thank you again for the up load.
Greetings from Scotland! I came across your channel by chance and have been enjoying watching your fiddle projects. This one sounds pretty good. Are you going to do an update video on how they are sounding now after some time has passed?
I'm glad you enjoyed my little videos! I hadn't thought of that. I will have to think of a way to compare. I do think about how they sound now that they have some miles on them. I think all of them have mellowed a bit and sound a tad warmer. I will definitely think about your suggestion!! Thankyou!
Ahhh, sounds so nice... reminds me of the cracked concrete floors as I pass by the paint aisle, looking for the next Home Depot sales associate to tell me I have traverse aisle 8/9 to get the next part I need...
Great idea. Traditionally, European makers have had difficulty obtaining quality woods during the many wars, etc. that have disrupted the normal commerce. A lot of great violins have been made from old barn joists and whatever they could lay hands on. In general though, I think you get the best sound out of the lightest woods you can find. I just wanted to say that the cans of shellac you used are not a good idea. The cans have some other additives, because real shellac has a limited shelf life. If you buy shellac flakes and mix it fresh, you will get a better result. Also, use a softer brush to apply it. Don't dab at it, either. One stroke from one side to the other. You can blend it after it dries in the same way you do french polishing.
Just found these videos and enjoyed them very much! I’m a big fan of using “alternative” wood for musical instruments too. Looking forward to more videos.
Beautiful job! I just ran up on your channel, and didn't figure you would mind too much if I went ahead and subscribed, so I did. Haha! You have alot of instrument videos I see, and I can't wait to watch them all. I love this concept and build. Thank's for giving some of us "wannabe" luthiers a few tips, and how to's. Off to watch more of your videos now! Lol
I’m going to try to get into making soon I already got some nice unprocessed pieces or eastern white pine drying in my shed drying and some oak, I’ll need some more oak for the back, and in considering making a new neck because one of the peg holes came out canted and I’m not super happy with how the neck looks either. Best part about my wood selection was that it was free and local hopefully it doesn’t come out like ass
Jon Mangum thanks! Yea I got a neck made but there are minor issues with it in my eyes, I’m not super happy with the finish but it’s ok certainly not bad for a first timer, the wood that would have become the scroll snapped off but there was enough left to make a wedge so I can make a scroll separately and then attach, one peg hole is canted as mentioned which I’m not happy about but I could still use it, the neck is slightly shorter than what I was going for but that is something that I can fix with a shim to make it look like it was an intentional decoration. I drew down a design for a fiddle that would be easy for me to make because I have no power tools besides a drill, and have fairly limited hand tools as well but enough to make something that should be decent. Thanks for replying and I will keep in mind to let you know how it goes
I like the sound of that! A true carpenter uses what he has on hand well. Today, everyone wants a kit or the latest power shortcut. A good carpenter still makes mistakes, but can roll with it and make lemonade out of lemons. If you can have a friend drill a hole in a block of hardwood using a drill press, you can then use that block as a guide to drill straight holes. Always drill before you taper the neck so you have a square surface. Keep up the good work!
Jon Mangum I absolutely agree I think carpenters should be a bit more versatile, as for the tip for having a friend with a drill press make a guide I’ll have to do that, thanks for the tips and encouragement!
I don't want to criticize much, but if you're curious to try out shellac, I recommend mixing your own (fresh) from flakes. The reason for this is that shellac has a shelf life once it's mixed, and the canned stuff tends to be junk (or of very limited use since it spoils after you open it). Shellac is really nice to use. It does dry almost instantly, so you need many thin coats. I use it for antique clocks, and I normally do at least 10 coats minimum, followed by wet-sanding, and then polishing with steel wool and wax. I do brush mine on, but traditionally it is applied with a pad. Spraying does work nicely, too. If you're curious about finishes (to make violins look antique, or for colouring ideas), check out Daniel Olson's channel on TH-cam. He has several good videos on violin care, repair, and building.
JC, I am way ahead of you, haha. I am definitely buying shellac flakes. I am excited to try the different colors. I must be careful about building up a thick coat -- that would be bad for the instrument. I may try a french polish....or, just stick to spraying. Yes, I know Daniel. He is an interesting fellow. He has some great videos on setup of violins. Thanks!
WOW!!! Looks great, sounds great!! Of course I knew it would. Love the poplar back. (Now that your into shellac you might want to think about a french polish for the next one.)
Amazing sound. I can't hear the bow at all. In your oak violin I could hear the bow on the Strings. This one smooths the sounds out and creates beautiful notes. Where do you live that your home depot has spruce? In Utah all our lumber comes from the west coast and is as Doug fir.
I live in NH. All our structural lumber is spruce and is fairly local. I know if you hunt around, maybe at a mom-n-pop lumberyard, you can find some nice spruce. There is no such thing as "tonewood". Select appropriate wood for the task at hand. Thank you for the compliment-- the softer wood on the back seems to temper the sound-- It is rich and warm and the one I play most now.
Soy Mexicano.. Y me encanto la fabricación.. No se tocar pero me gusta mucho el violin y la manera en que lo fábricaste y donde compraste la madera.. Wooow impresionante.. Me gustaría hacerlo aunque no sepa tocarlo ya que me fascina su sonido.. El mejor Paganini
I really hope this series of videos helps dispel the myth that only aged maple and spruce can produce a decent instrument. Though my ear can tell it isn't made with the traditional woods, it does sound very good. It has always been though, that though wood is important, craftsmanship has always been much more important. Poor craftsmanship will always lead to a poor instrument, no matter how good the materials. I hope we see a follow up video on how this violin sounds after a year of playing.
Thankyou for the comment--- "violin world" is steeped in myth and tradition, and it IS fun to step outside and explore. I hope to do just what you suggested, and perhaps the maker will have improved in his playing as well!
It sounds gorgeous! I actually dislike the sound of most traditionally made violins (yes even the strads) It's as if they focused purely on getting a whistley silvery tone. I want to hear the wood breath! This one breaths full, deep breaths. I'm curious how poplar would sound on a cello.
@@grandpasmountain There's a good buzzword for sales! It's made of *Tulipwood* a mysterious new tone wood discovered in the midwest of america. Delivers a fuller, woodier tone than maple! $6000 USD.
@@NeverWolf Yes...my wife brings it up from time to time. It would be a huge undertaking- creating all the jigs and acquiring the large pieces of wood. I think it would be rewarding....especially since a cello like that would go for $10,000 and up, if it was up to par.
@@grandpasmountain Yeah the first cello would more than pay for all the jig work. Also have you thought about how therapeutic the carving would be? =p I actually have a project of my own. I want to make an NS style electric cello out of PVC pipes. I would use a combo of magnetic bass rails and piezo style to capture the sounds. Could be interesting. Especially considering that the very cheapest of NS cellos go for $1200 dollars. I could probably pretty easily take over the Cecilio style e-cello market if I make a convincing enough offer. The prototype would be PVC but i'd consider using ABS for future stuff. Much like Ned Steinberger I'd go at it with a very function begets the form style. Stopping short of literally making it out of pipes. I want it to feel as much like a cello neck as possible.
Thank YOU! Not yet! My daughter's both play the Ukelele....and I have thought of it. I was actually thinking how I could do a guitar from lumberyard wood.
"The Art of Violin Making" is my #1 recommendation. I have built a violin for as cheap as $9. Depends on materials and what you have on hand. I made a series on making a fiddle. Check my channel. It covers everything you need.
That is one lovely fiddle. I'm a bit curious about your tone-post placement, your string choices, the bow, and your choice of rosin, a s all of those have a great (and under-appreciated) affect on sound. But whatever you're doing that fiddle speaks very well, and it's evident that for all your iconoclasm you are one good luthier.
Well, thankyou, and, yes, what you say is very true! I have made many fiddles since then and am always learning, and improving! I truly apppreciate the kind words!!!
Excellent job Jon amazing your talents, who taught you violin making? Its amazing you or someone would attempt this but its very cool & entertaining to watch none the less.The only thing I didnt like was the gloss finish. Gloss finishes show imperfections as we all know.I think more sanding could of been incorporated into the wood and fine sanding between coats.I know that finishing is an art in itself and possibly here you werent striving for a flawless finish. Also Home Depot receipts fade very quickly in actuality cheap ink all mine do anyway.That was a nice touch regardless.I think a satin or flat finish would of been a better choice here.But all around fantastic job and the closing J.Denver Annies Song dedicated to your wife is a very nice touch . Very good job!Glenn Pall in N.Y.
Thanks so much. As far as the finish....that was shellac....it is all natural from a beetle. It doesn't come in different finishes like urethane. On a violin, the idea is to have as thin a finish as possible. The violin is designed to produce sound through vibrating-- It's not furniture. Seeing the "corduroy " in the wood is desirable. I like satin finishes, too, and I have done that before....this was a foray into trying a new finish for me. Thanks so much for the post! I really appreciate it.
No one taught me.... I read books....and started carving. Since I have had opportunity to learn from some really neat people. It's a fun journey. Always learning!
Hello Jon ,very impressive and your guitar building is real top notch .I just watched your Gibson copy video with the firebird saddle,Wow.Too bad your not around here I have a bunch of fiddles that need repair if you do that kind of work not sure.Do you do repairs?One fiddle is an Albert Knorr made in Markneukirchen ,Germany has evidence of two small holes in the bottom plate.Watching your videos showed me what that is from, maybe it was repaired at one point. Has major splits in the top plate.Another one I have is unique I think and says Guarnarius Student Model engraved on the back of the neck on a plaque engraved into it,wild fiddle needs TLC German made I think too not sure. Anyway I like your videos and looking forward to seeing more..... Glenn P. in N.Y.@@grandpasmountain
@@GPOldMarineShop thanks again for the kind words, Glenn! Yes, I have done some repairs on instruments. I have seen the violin you're describing-- a friend of mine has it, and it is set up nicely and sounds great. Yes, it's an old German factory violin.
@@grandpasmountain Im aware of the thin finish better sound thing I got that.But I never seen the corderoy appearance on a real Stradivarius lets say in videos maybe they do. I just didnt know that was desirable look and preferred.Years ago to remove thick paint I was stupid I sandblasted a violin after disassembly the top and bottom plates came out like a washboard somewhat.I sanded it all down put it back together and it sounded great.Hey maybe thats a good technique to thinning the wood down without carving who knows,LoL.Try it on a scrap piece of wood maybe it isnt so stupid.Machine at my job had heavy grit Silicon Carbide as a media.I must of took away 15-20% of the thickness on the plates.Just a short story Glenn P.
That's really amazing, I think the home depot series were really interesting, it shows that one can make beautifully sounding instuments even if one doesn't have the finest tree. Also, would you be interested in building a concert sized ukulele?
Hey, I went to home depot yesterday, but I wasn't impressed with the quality of the wood, so I went to Lowe's they have better prices, so I bought Oak instead of poplar, here is the thing I found that the oak is very strong and hard I couldn't even cut it with the Japanese saw even stronger that cedar, is that normal? It is good for the neck?
Oak is hard and heavy. It gets stronger with age, in Britain we make green oak frame houses when its easy to work then the oak seasons in place. I knew a guy restoring churches and he would blunt diamond saws trying to cut into 800 year old beams!
I use willow in making the violin for the lining around the perimeter. Too soft for any other purpose. I don't know what cypress might be like, though.
Thankyou. I don't do any of that kind of social media stuff. I will ask one of my girls to check it out for me. I guess I'm too old. The whole TH-cam thing is new to me :)
It was amazing to see such a thorough video. I would love to learn how to make a violin and was wondering how you got started, did you go to a school or learn from a Luthier?
Thankyou for the compliment! I read a couple books on violin making....that's about it....and was blessed with meeting a couple great Luthiers who encouraged me. I highly recommend the Art of Violin Making. I paid quite a bit (worth every penny) but there are used copies from time to time out there.
Yes, I let my wood dry. I have not built a kiln yet. Just seal the end grain and air dry. Over the winter works great because the air is so dry in the house. It takes about 6 months to a year---- For the Home Depot Fiddle, the wood was already dry. Just cut and glue! It was sitting in a climate-controlled building waiting for me!
Kiln dried spruce is all you need. Any local lumberyard will do. You can stop the splitting by slowing the drying. Spray BIN primer on the ends and let it dry out in the sun. Or....find an old leftover piece that has been sitting around.
Thank you for all your info Jon. I have some incredibly straight-grained Douglas fir left over from a kitchen remodel and it has been in my garage playroom (workshop) about 10 years. Maybe there is a top plate or two hiding in there.
As it's been almost three years now, I'm curious about the poplar you've used. My experience is that poplar sun fades with time ….. how's yours holding up ???
All woods sunbleach to a degree. That said, MY fiddle has hung on the wall and is none the worse for it. It has never languished in a dark case somewhere. I know the varnish I used has better uv protection than urethanes, so maybe that is one factor. Thanks for asking. I was just contemplating using some more poplar because it worked out so well :)
I will check that out. I'm told by Master Luthiers that oils that soak into the wood add too much weight and dampen the sound a bit. I did try Tried And True which is made by a luthier. I loved the smell!
You take all the BS out of making violins! I've wanted to build a viol da gamba for about 30 years but I live in Britain so the classical establishment puts these things on a pedestal, now I think I'll give it a go! :)
Thankyou! Man-- I sure hope you do. Yes, violin world can be very oppressive. Please DO get started-- you will not regret it. I would love it if you could let me know how you progress!
I really believe that local woods can make great instruments. Thanks for the great videos of your project.
I agree -- I am looking for some local wood (East Tennessee) for a new fiddle.
Wow Jon, congrats on finishing it, really amazing results. This whole challenge has been fantastic to follow and see the results from such a common source. Huge props!
Thanks a ton, Geek. Means alot.
Jon Mangum same! I loved watching every part of the process :D
I have to say, I had my doubts at first, part 2 I was ready to give-up on your fiddle...by the end of part 3 I was amazed at the sound......very good job indeed.
I have been playing since I was 5 years old, I'm soon to be 54, my latest violin cost me alittle more than$7700.00, it sounds awesome, but with the amount of money you spent on yours, I envy you.
Keep up the good work sir.
Ha! Thanks so much! I envy the blessing I having the violin in your life that long. I missed out. Held my first violin in Febuary 3 years ago.
I have a real expensive violin here that I hold up as a standard for myself. I enjoy the journey so much.
Nice rendition of Annie's Song! Always love a bit of John Denver
sounds real nice. I really enjoy watching you make fiddles from non traditional woods.
I plan to retire next year and just took an interest in the violin. This video is wonderful and inspiring!
Just watched the series. It's great when people make this box store wood instruments, just shows people they can make great sounding/looking instruments with basic attainable materials. Excellent work.
Thankyou very much!
Just found this today... heard the "NH dialect" after finding the violin building. Lived in Brookline NH for years. Your violin building and description is both interesting and down to earth. I often wondered about building a dulcimer from Home Depot woods, looking at those beautiful cedar boards. Wonderful work and the videos are great!!! plus.. the fiddle sounds great! :-)
that is one sacrilegious violin. fantastic! I love it.
Lol!!! A 2set fan?!? Thanks :)
Jon, on guitars and mandos, that little pointy area where the peg box (head stock, tuner head) meets the neck is called a volute. Don't know if it's the same on a violin. I'd call it a volute anyway, for sake of clarity. Now comes the fun part -- carving the scroll. Oh, yeah !! And the peg box thru the "head". Great job -- you've done this before, no doubt.
Yes, the Volute! Love the carving.
Thankyou!
Awesome! i love watching the process that goes into making things. especially when you can do it for cheap! sounds great. I think I should try now
Thanks---yes, you should, Clay
Thanks! 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼 I want to try this! Your video gave me a bit kore confidence that I could make something that won’t be trash. 😂😂😂
You can carve yourself an amazing fiddle. You'll never play a factory made violin again.
Nice job... sounds great! On top of doing a stellar job with the violin body and neck (I was most impressed with the look of the top!) , you also did what sounds like a great setup. Maybe you should talk about that sometime.
Thanks so much.
That's a good idea!
Mr Mangum
just thought I wou[d see what it was. I ended up watching to the end. Amazing thanks for sharing.
Ed
Thankyou very, very much.
I admire your skills and patience, a beautiful instrument. Great job!!! I can visualize 100 years from now violin enthusiasts trying to identify the violin with the HomeDepot tag. I believe HomeDepot is a neighboring city of Cremona, right? LOL
Lol!
More power to you! I love the color, nice contrast to the ebony.
And I loved that very much! We have a local luthier who made several violin using guava wood. and it doesn't sound much different from his maple/spruce violin. It is in the hands of the maker. Good job sir!
Thanks so much. I think a good spruce top is where most of the sound is formed-- the back is more of a reflector.
Now, Cedar, has it's own sound.
Hmmm...guava... like the fruit?
Great project and nice work on that violin! It's refreshing to see someone willing to demystify violin making - after all, they're basically a box with a handle! And definitely experiment with different timbers - you know what characteristics you want for each component, and there are so many ways to get there. I've heard some nice ones using Australian Huon pine and Jarrah. Anyhow - well done to you mate - great job!
Haha!! A "box with a handle"!! I love it!
Thanks for the kind words! I really appreciate it. Those Australian woods sound quite interesting!
Wonderful Videos. I'm just getting started as a Luthier Violin Player. The Poplar Wood has a Good wood grain pattern. Very Bright Sound, Excellent for Country Music. Thank You for your Wisdom. God Bless You Brother, in Jesus name...
Thankyou Francisco!
Good to hear from a brother in Christ!
Let me know if I can be of any help!
@@grandpasmountain Amen, TY Bro. I will take You up on that. I recently purchased a 14 hole neck for My Violin but only going to put 8 strings on it. Helixcore Strings from Cello to Violin. Anyway My question is how to replace or restore a neck for a Fiddle or Violin???
@@franciscojhernandezjr2414
Oh, boy.
It's hard to replace a neck. Not impossible. No way to simply write a comment and cover it! So many variables!!! Length, angle, proper fit...getting the old one off without destroying the instrument...
@@grandpasmountain Yes, I've been doing plenty of Research and have been collecting My Tools and Prayers Together for the Job. But I Dedicated Myself and Soon the Violin. That Reminds Me can I cook the Anointing Oil to Varnish, Seal, and Anoint My Violin at the same Time??? I have a Intense Desire to Play Rock Gospel Blues for Divine and Beloved GOD ADONAI...
Meant Our Divine GOD.
The joy and satisfaction we have after having done a beautiful violin. Good work .
:) Thanks!
Sounds great and looks great! I was surprised by the projection and brightness from it. It will probably sound even better in a few years! I do feel however that the shellac ends up detracting from the final look (very yellow and glossy) and the sound seems to have changed a bit for the worse from when you played the raw wood but of course it's hard to tell from a video. Maybe the thickness of the shellac is having a dampening effect. If you ever try this again I'd love to see you try it with a traditional varnish. Keep making violins!
Great series! Came out looking great.
Sounds damn good for an inexpensive experiment. When you do more violin videos, please consider recording a pro-level player with the fiddle so we can hear it at its best!
Will do.
Hey I noticed an IH truck parked in your shop. I too have IH stuff 1965 1300 4x4, 1967 1000 pickup, and a 1939 pickup. Also, I am a emerging fiddle player 8 months, but a 30 year mandolin player.
That sounds like a wonderful collection! What you see is a perfectly restored 1960 with 18k original miles at the time of restoration. I love that truck...but...had to sell it to move to TN. I have a buy-back arrangement with the fellow, if things change for me. It was just too hard to take all my toys...sailboat, motorcycle, horses, etc. We left alot behind.
Great to hear you're playing the violin! Like patting your head and rubbing your stomach, haha!
✝ 13:30 and eye gotta stop. Yes its OK to cry, freak-in cool violin build. Gotta go-go & splash cold water.
My grandfather and I love crafty woodworking projects and I think it would be neat to try making a violin like one of yours Jon.
Thanks for the kind words, Casey. I learned woodworking from My grandpa. I often think of him when I carve. Really glad to hear you have a terrific geandfather, too.
Yeah, both of my grandfathers would really enjoy a project like that. Do you have any tips for a beginner violin maker?
Great video Jon!
Thanks, Greg! Funny...usually I talk to strangers and have no idea what their name is, and I feel too dumb to ask....on here...I know the name...I guess I feel to dumb to ask what people look like! Haha haha. Sorry, I'm a little punchy. Long day.
Haha haha! I never thought of it like that.
Great series, must be really satisfying to play your own fiddle. Well done Jon. It sounds OK too!
Thankyou so much!
beautiful violin congratulations for the beautiful work greetings from brazil
Hello down there! Thankyou very much!!
Makes a nice John Denver song. Beautiful man!
Thankyou for the kind comments! So glad you liked the build!
damn that was awesome,,, the fiddle turned out awesome, i think i might get one those kits for 60 dollars and redo the whole thing since i don t have the skills u had. u can pass that fiddle down to ur kids , damn they would love it,,,, sounds awesome.
This was an awesome series
Thankyou so much, Chris! Made my day.
You've inspired me! I play guitar, mandolin and violin. I'm happy with my guitars and violin but I only have a cheap rogue mandolin. I'm going to give a shot at making a F style mandolin! If that goes okay ill try a violin. I've got a lot of wood in my garage and the tools so I shouldn't have to buy too much. should be fun.
I think the f style mando is awesome....and probably more challenging than a fiddle.
That's awesome.
I have plans and materials here for a mandolin. Gonna do it one of these days!
This is a real hoot! I'm not a violin maker, but I've watched lots of TH-cam videos on violin making. So, that means I probably still don't know squat about violins. Anyhow, being a bit risk adverse, I would have used woods that at least match the density of the traditional woods. And I would have used varnish instead of shellac. Much harder. Nitpicking aside, this project deserves a big tip of the chapeau! A real inspiration!
Thanks.....These woods do happen to be traditional....spruce and poplar....but, my fiddles are an exploration of unusual materials for the most part.
Shellac is harder than varnish, but it is an ancient finish that was used long before varnish....and many old violins are finished with it. My latest fiddle has shellac and is mellowing nicely. I prefer the smell and flexibility of varnish, personally,
I really appreciate your kind words-- Thankyou.
Totally amazing. What a completely entertaining project to watch. You're really quite talented.
You are talented sir. Thanks for taking the time to video your work. I'm a fair hand at wood working but this is beyond my skill. Thank you again for the up load.
Those are very kind words. Thankyou very much for the compliment
Greetings from Scotland! I came across your channel by chance and have been enjoying watching your fiddle projects. This one sounds pretty good. Are you going to do an update video on how they are sounding now after some time has passed?
I'm glad you enjoyed my little videos! I hadn't thought of that.
I will have to think of a way to compare.
I do think about how they sound now that they have some miles on them. I think all of them have mellowed a bit and sound a tad warmer.
I will definitely think about your suggestion!! Thankyou!
Ahhh, sounds so nice... reminds me of the cracked concrete floors as I pass by the paint aisle, looking for the next Home Depot sales associate to tell me I have traverse aisle 8/9 to get the next part I need...
Lol!!!
Fantastic Series ! ... Thanks for posting this Jon ...
You're very welcome, Douglas! Thankyou for the encouragement!
Very nice jon! sounds awesome. Great job.
Thanks, Gilbert. I have sure been enjoying it!
I can believe it! Fantastic!!!!
Lol! Thanks!
Yes very good Jon, unlike your other fiddle this one sounds great because the varnish was not caked on. Very good!!
very nice scrollwork!
Out standing !!!
Thanks, Brian!
you fill up my senses...like a night in the forest..........
Yup, a good John Denver tune!
looks beautiful...
Thankyou!
Great idea. Traditionally, European makers have had difficulty obtaining quality woods during the many wars, etc. that have disrupted the normal commerce. A lot of great violins have been made from old barn joists and whatever they could lay hands on. In general though, I think you get the best sound out of the lightest woods you can find. I just wanted to say that the cans of shellac you used are not a good idea. The cans have some other additives, because real shellac has a limited shelf life. If you buy shellac flakes and mix it fresh, you will get a better result. Also, use a softer brush to apply it. Don't dab at it, either. One stroke from one side to the other. You can blend it after it dries in the same way you do french polishing.
Thankyou! Great comments--- yes, I have switched to making my own shellac! I sprayed it again-- brushing it is hard! At least in warm temps!
Thanks!!
Very good, good job
Great job. The scroll still has me sweating. A vid on touching up your gouges would be nice. Still trying to find ‘my’ way to sharpen
Hint--- a polishing wheel on your grinder with a polishing paste.
;)
Just found these videos and enjoyed them very much! I’m a big fan of using “alternative” wood for musical instruments too. Looking forward to more videos.
Thanks, Jason. Going "against the grain" is in my blood. I really enjoy the different woods, too.
Congratulations...!!! I would' ve liked to watch a video of your scroll carving process...!!!
Man, you really do good work.
Thanks! I liked your other comment, too!! ;)
Awesome, brother. Just awesome!
Beautiful job! I just ran up on your channel, and didn't figure you would mind too much if I went ahead and subscribed, so I did. Haha! You have alot of instrument videos I see, and I can't wait to watch them all. I love this concept and build. Thank's for giving some of us "wannabe" luthiers a few tips, and how to's. Off to watch more of your videos now! Lol
:)
Thanks for appreciating my amateur attempts at video!
If I can answer any questions, just holler!
I’m going to try to get into making soon I already got some nice unprocessed pieces or eastern white pine drying in my shed drying and some oak, I’ll need some more oak for the back, and in considering making a new neck because one of the peg holes came out canted and I’m not super happy with how the neck looks either. Best part about my wood selection was that it was free and local hopefully it doesn’t come out like ass
Sounds like you are off to a good start! And you already carved a neck? That's pretty good! I'd love to hear how you progressed!
Jon Mangum thanks! Yea I got a neck made but there are minor issues with it in my eyes, I’m not super happy with the finish but it’s ok certainly not bad for a first timer, the wood that would have become the scroll snapped off but there was enough left to make a wedge so I can make a scroll separately and then attach, one peg hole is canted as mentioned which I’m not happy about but I could still use it, the neck is slightly shorter than what I was going for but that is something that I can fix with a shim to make it look like it was an intentional decoration. I drew down a design for a fiddle that would be easy for me to make because I have no power tools besides a drill, and have fairly limited hand tools as well but enough to make something that should be decent. Thanks for replying and I will keep in mind to let you know how it goes
I like the sound of that!
A true carpenter uses what he has on hand well. Today, everyone wants a kit or the latest power shortcut.
A good carpenter still makes mistakes, but can roll with it and make lemonade out of lemons.
If you can have a friend drill a hole in a block of hardwood using a drill press, you can then use that block as a guide to drill straight holes.
Always drill before you taper the neck so you have a square surface.
Keep up the good work!
Jon Mangum I absolutely agree I think carpenters should be a bit more versatile, as for the tip for having a friend with a drill press make a guide I’ll have to do that, thanks for the tips and encouragement!
I don't want to criticize much, but if you're curious to try out shellac, I recommend mixing your own (fresh) from flakes. The reason for this is that shellac has a shelf life once it's mixed, and the canned stuff tends to be junk (or of very limited use since it spoils after you open it). Shellac is really nice to use. It does dry almost instantly, so you need many thin coats. I use it for antique clocks, and I normally do at least 10 coats minimum, followed by wet-sanding, and then polishing with steel wool and wax. I do brush mine on, but traditionally it is applied with a pad. Spraying does work nicely, too.
If you're curious about finishes (to make violins look antique, or for colouring ideas), check out Daniel Olson's channel on TH-cam. He has several good videos on violin care, repair, and building.
JC, I am way ahead of you, haha. I am definitely buying shellac flakes. I am excited to try the different colors. I must be careful about building up a thick coat -- that would be bad for the instrument. I may try a french polish....or, just stick to spraying. Yes, I know Daniel. He is an interesting fellow. He has some great videos on setup of violins. Thanks!
WOW!!!
Looks great, sounds great!! Of course I knew it would. Love the poplar back.
(Now that your into shellac you might want to think about a french polish for the next one.)
Thankyou....we'll see about the french polish!
You are very talented man, thank you for sharing.
Thankyou, Gerard. You are very kind.
Yeah man good job
Thanks!
That is way cool. Great job!!
Haha! Thanks!! I love my HD fiddle.
great video as always jon
Thankyou, Tins!
Wow these videos are super inspiring! I might have to give this a go some day
Haha! Thanks! I sure hope you do! Loads of fun. You'll never be the same!
i suspect it would sound much much better with real good strings and a nice bow
Amazing sound. I can't hear the bow at all. In your oak violin I could hear the bow on the Strings. This one smooths the sounds out and creates beautiful notes. Where do you live that your home depot has spruce? In Utah all our lumber comes from the west coast and is as Doug fir.
I live in NH. All our structural lumber is spruce and is fairly local. I know if you hunt around, maybe at a mom-n-pop lumberyard, you can find some nice spruce. There is no such thing as "tonewood". Select appropriate wood for the task at hand. Thank you for the compliment-- the softer wood on the back seems to temper the sound-- It is rich and warm and the one I play most now.
Soy Mexicano.. Y me encanto la fabricación.. No se tocar pero me gusta mucho el violin y la manera en que lo fábricaste y donde compraste la madera.. Wooow impresionante.. Me gustaría hacerlo aunque no sepa tocarlo ya que me fascina su sonido.. El mejor Paganini
¡Gracias por las amables palabras! Espero que intentes hacer un violín. ¡Creo que disfrutarás mucho del proyecto y no podrás resistirte a jugarlo!
Annie's Song, what a beautiful dedication to your wife.
good job look awesome and nice
Dude! I AM impressed
Thanks!
Very nice 👍
Thanks :)
Way cool! You make it look too easy. Beats the CNC made Chinese violins they charge too much for. True craftmanship.
Thanks very much! I DO like homemade stuff better, too.
Great talent.
Thankyou, Nancy!
I really hope this series of videos helps dispel the myth that only aged maple and spruce can produce a decent instrument. Though my ear can tell it isn't made with the traditional woods, it does sound very good. It has always been though, that though wood is important, craftsmanship has always been much more important. Poor craftsmanship will always lead to a poor instrument, no matter how good the materials. I hope we see a follow up video on how this violin sounds after a year of playing.
Thankyou for the comment--- "violin world" is steeped in myth and tradition, and it IS fun to step outside and explore.
I hope to do just what you suggested, and perhaps the maker will have improved in his playing as well!
I am really interested in the cedar violin
Great video. Very robust sounding instrument.
Thanks!!
youre a damn good craftsman
Thanks!
You do fantastic work. They are going to love you in the Appalachia's if you start selling these violins.
Thank you very much!
You made my day today.
It sounds gorgeous!
I actually dislike the sound of most traditionally made violins (yes even the strads)
It's as if they focused purely on getting a whistley silvery tone.
I want to hear the wood breath!
This one breaths full, deep breaths.
I'm curious how poplar would sound on a cello.
Thankyou very much!
Poplar is an amazing wood for instruments, often referred to as Tulipwood. It gives a wonderful timber.
@@grandpasmountain There's a good buzzword for sales! It's made of *Tulipwood* a mysterious new tone wood discovered in the midwest of america. Delivers a fuller, woodier tone than maple! $6000 USD.
@@grandpasmountain Have you ever considered buiding a cello?
@@NeverWolf
Yes...my wife brings it up from time to time. It would be a huge undertaking- creating all the jigs and acquiring the large pieces of wood.
I think it would be rewarding....especially since a cello like that would go for $10,000 and up, if it was up to par.
@@grandpasmountain Yeah the first cello would more than pay for all the jig work.
Also have you thought about how therapeutic the carving would be? =p
I actually have a project of my own. I want to make an NS style electric cello out of PVC pipes. I would use a combo of magnetic bass rails and piezo style to capture the sounds.
Could be interesting. Especially considering that the very cheapest of NS cellos go for $1200 dollars. I could probably pretty easily take over the Cecilio style e-cello market if I make a convincing enough offer. The prototype would be PVC but i'd consider using ABS for future stuff.
Much like Ned Steinberger I'd go at it with a very function begets the form style. Stopping short of literally making it out of pipes. I want it to feel as much like a cello neck as possible.
Well done, good work man!
Thanks so much, Clark!
I wanted to say thanks first off. The question I had have you done a ukulele before like this?
Thank YOU!
Not yet! My daughter's both play the Ukelele....and I have thought of it. I was actually thinking how I could do a guitar from lumberyard wood.
Man that came out nice. You should pick up harbor freight airbrush and fool with some shading. I am fascinated with your wood skills.
Thanks so much!
I think I may want try this but I was wondering how much this project cost you and what books do you recommend to learn from?
"The Art of Violin Making" is my #1 recommendation.
I have built a violin for as cheap as $9.
Depends on materials and what you have on hand.
I made a series on making a fiddle. Check my channel. It covers everything you need.
@@grandpasmountain Thanks Jon I’ll try to find that book on Amazon
@@nicholastuggle4821 look at used books. I got a great deal on ebay. You'll be glad you got it!
That is one lovely fiddle. I'm a bit curious about your tone-post placement, your string choices, the bow, and your choice of rosin, a s all of those have a great (and under-appreciated) affect on sound. But whatever you're doing that fiddle speaks very well, and it's evident that for all your iconoclasm you are one good luthier.
Well, thankyou, and, yes, what you say is very true!
I have made many fiddles since then and am always learning, and improving!
I truly apppreciate the kind words!!!
Excellent job Jon amazing your talents, who taught you violin making? Its amazing you or someone would attempt this but its very cool & entertaining to watch none the less.The only thing I didnt like was the gloss finish. Gloss finishes show imperfections as we all know.I think more sanding could of been incorporated into the wood and fine sanding between coats.I know that finishing is an art in itself and possibly here you werent striving for a flawless finish. Also Home Depot receipts fade very quickly in actuality cheap ink all mine do anyway.That was a nice touch regardless.I think a satin or flat finish would of been a better choice here.But all around fantastic job and the closing J.Denver Annies Song dedicated to your wife is a very nice touch . Very good job!Glenn Pall in N.Y.
Thanks so much.
As far as the finish....that was shellac....it is all natural from a beetle. It doesn't come in different finishes like urethane.
On a violin, the idea is to have as thin a finish as possible. The violin is designed to produce sound through vibrating-- It's not furniture.
Seeing the "corduroy " in the wood is desirable.
I like satin finishes, too, and I have done that before....this was a foray into trying a new finish for me.
Thanks so much for the post! I really appreciate it.
No one taught me.... I read books....and started carving. Since I have had opportunity to learn from some really neat people.
It's a fun journey. Always learning!
Hello Jon ,very impressive and your guitar building is real top notch .I just watched your Gibson copy video with the firebird saddle,Wow.Too bad your not around here I have a bunch of fiddles that need repair if you do that kind of work not sure.Do you do repairs?One fiddle is an Albert Knorr made in Markneukirchen ,Germany has evidence of two small holes in the bottom plate.Watching your videos showed me what that is from, maybe it was repaired at one point. Has major splits in the top plate.Another one I have is unique I think and says Guarnarius Student Model engraved on the back of the neck on a plaque engraved into it,wild fiddle needs TLC German made I think too not sure. Anyway I like your videos and looking forward to seeing more..... Glenn P. in N.Y.@@grandpasmountain
@@GPOldMarineShop thanks again for the kind words, Glenn! Yes, I have done some repairs on instruments.
I have seen the violin you're describing-- a friend of mine has it, and it is set up nicely and sounds great. Yes, it's an old German factory violin.
@@grandpasmountain Im aware of the thin finish better sound thing I got that.But I never seen the corderoy appearance on a real Stradivarius lets say in videos maybe they do. I just didnt know that was desirable look and preferred.Years ago to remove thick paint I was stupid I sandblasted a violin after disassembly the top and bottom plates came out like a washboard somewhat.I sanded it all down put it back together and it sounded great.Hey maybe thats a good technique to thinning the wood down without carving who knows,LoL.Try it on a scrap piece of wood maybe it isnt so stupid.Machine at my job had heavy grit Silicon Carbide as a media.I must of took away 15-20% of the thickness on the plates.Just a short story Glenn P.
That's really amazing, I think the home depot series were really interesting, it shows that one can make beautifully sounding instuments even if one doesn't have the finest tree.
Also, would you be interested in building a concert sized ukulele?
Thankyou very much!! We have many Ukeleles in thde house, and they get played ALOT.....one day, I will....
Hey, I went to home depot yesterday, but I wasn't impressed with the quality of the wood, so I went to Lowe's they have better prices, so I bought Oak instead of poplar, here is the thing I found that the oak is very strong and hard I couldn't even cut it with the Japanese saw even stronger that cedar, is that normal? It is good for the neck?
Well, I made an Oak fiddle....it came out great. Sure, the neck and scroll do great in oak.
Oak is hard and heavy. It gets stronger with age, in Britain we make green oak frame houses when its easy to work then the oak seasons in place. I knew a guy restoring churches and he would blunt diamond saws trying to cut into 800 year old beams!
I'm so interested in the different sounds of different wood types. Would you be willing to try willow or cypress?
I use willow in making the violin for the lining around the perimeter. Too soft for any other purpose.
I don't know what cypress might be like, though.
@@grandpasmountain it's a slow grower almost like spruce, also quite flexible yet strong. I think it would be worth it.
@@ThisCallumPerson I will definitely look into it. I'm always interested in interesting woods!
@@grandpasmountain epic! ill be watching your channel
Also, the Home depot fiddle I would put low tension strings on it maybe guts. Poplar is soft and might warp with high tension like steel wounds.
I don't like steel strings. I am using Pirastro Tonica strings. The poplar is "softer" in that it is more flexible, but plenty strong.
Jon Mangum
I am an artist myself you can checkout my stuff on Instagram jeremy dowlen
Thankyou. I don't do any of that kind of social media stuff. I will ask one of my girls to check it out for me. I guess I'm too old. The whole TH-cam thing is new to me :)
It was amazing to see such a thorough video. I would love to learn how to make a violin and was wondering how you got started, did you go to a school or learn from a Luthier?
Thankyou for the compliment! I read a couple books on violin making....that's about it....and was blessed with meeting a couple great Luthiers who encouraged me.
I highly recommend the Art of Violin Making. I paid quite a bit (worth every penny) but there are used copies from time to time out there.
Btw....you can always ask me for help, if you like. I sure hope you give it a try-- you'll never be the same! haha!
are there any lumberyards or depot stores who sell graduation callipers?
Really neat. Do you dry the wood? If not, does it give problems later on, like splitting?
Yes, I let my wood dry. I have not built a kiln yet. Just seal the end grain and air dry. Over the winter works great because the air is so dry in the house. It takes about 6 months to a year----
For the Home Depot Fiddle, the wood was already dry. Just cut and glue! It was sitting in a climate-controlled building waiting for me!
Great, glad you don't have splitting problem. Lots of Home Depot wood here in Oregon is green.
Kiln dried spruce is all you need. Any local lumberyard will do. You can stop the splitting by slowing the drying. Spray BIN primer on the ends and let it dry out in the sun. Or....find an old leftover piece that has been sitting around.
Thank you for all your info Jon. I have some incredibly straight-grained Douglas fir left over from a kitchen remodel and it has been in my garage playroom (workshop) about 10 years. Maybe there is a top plate or two hiding in there.
Great videos, love watching them. You have inspired me to have a go at making a violin....what happened to the soundpost?
Thankyou ---- soundpost is where he belongs....wouldn't work right without him!
Btw, get yourself a copy of "The Art of Violin Making"
Id love to hear dueling banjos on this beauty:)
Lol!!! Me too!
Pode envernizar com pistola ????
Do you have a fiddle for sale. My son is been asking me for one?
Thankyou for your kind words, Rosalinda-- I don't have any for sale this moment. Been embroiled in home-building lately!
Two things, what kind of wood are those tuning pegs? They're gorgeous! Second of all, did you put in a sound post? If you did I did not catch it.
I always install a sound post-- it's part of the setup, but you're right, I haven't shown it. Sorry.
The pegs are rosewood.
As it's been almost three years now, I'm curious about the poplar you've used. My experience is that poplar sun fades with time ….. how's yours holding up ???
All woods sunbleach to a degree. That said, MY fiddle has hung on the wall and is none the worse for it. It has never languished in a dark case somewhere.
I know the varnish I used has better uv protection than urethanes, so maybe that is one factor.
Thanks for asking. I was just contemplating using some more poplar because it worked out so well :)
Do you sell the stuff you make
I wish i could make one for my granddaughter. She'd absolutely fall apart.
You should do it!
Tru-oil for gun stocks works very well too.
I will check that out. I'm told by Master Luthiers that oils that soak into the wood add too much weight and dampen the sound a bit. I did try Tried And True which is made by a luthier. I loved the smell!