SEGA Master System with No Display - Can I FIX it ?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 ธ.ค. 2021
- Hi, here we have a Sega Master System (the 1st version) that was purchased faulty on eBay. The fault is no display on the TV when using either RF or AV. What could be the cause and can it be fixed. Let's find out.
GadgetUK164 video on the Sega Master System (really useful fault finding and information)
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Remember that this is just for entertainment and I am not an expert in these repairs. The processes in the video may not be the best way, the correct way or the safest way to fix these things. I do love fault finding and trying to fix broken things, so I hope that comes across in this 'Trying to FIX' series. Many thanks, Vince. - แนวปฏิบัติและการใช้ชีวิต
Your desoldering gun technique is almost perfect...Apparently you are supposed to only go in circles around the pin while not touching the pad.
Probably your most epic repair!
A one hour video Vince!? It's a Christmas miracle. Best present ever.
And on a cool classic console, the Sega MasterSystem!!
I know, I've missed this videos like crazy!
European Christmas Miracle (24th) lol
At first qess the crystal I'll watch to see if I'm to right
Just in time. Merry Christmas everyone. Sitting here drinking hot chocolate in 75 degree weather watching vince
im having hot chocolate too in -20 degrees weather got the wood stove nice and toasty
Awesome repair. Capacitors can test good using a tester and still not be in spec. They might become faulty under load. Just a thought.
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Could be a host of things. Replacing 30 year old caps wasn't a bad idea anyway. Excellent repair. I have learned more from your repairs than just about anybody out there.
Hey a bonus video! Merry Crimbo Vince and family
Was I the only one shouting at my screen when Vince powered the Sega up without the heat-sink on the voltage regulator? I was waiting for the volt-reg to go bang, lol.
*_Merry Christmas to you Vince and family plus everyone here, from me (Robz) in Scotland._*
@31:30 a trick you can sometimes use to make it easier to follow a trace is to shine a torch through from behind the board to view them in silhouette.
You do find though that circuit boards of that vintage are massively thick in many cases, but its something I've never heard of or tried so I'll give it a go next time I'm fixing something. Thats the thing about Electronics, if you are not willing to learn your whole life long with it as a subject you will not really get far...
Fantastic repair Vince =D I bet it was that trace, and the resoldering around the RAM and ROM there (could be the electrolyte though as you say) =D Thanks for the mention =D So pleased you fixed this! Have a wonderful Christmas! Great to see you get the Duratool there - invaluable when working with through-hole components!
I'm with you on this one GadgetUK164. Love your material by the way. Learned a lot from watching your vids.
Thank you Chris 👍👍👍👍👍👍
I had a lot of memories with the Sega Master System. I remember owning the second version of it with Alex Kidd built in and had a lot of fun.
Awesome repair, its nice to see these classics saved from the trash heap. It was cool to watch your troubleshooting process and to be honest when I saw how easy that tool made taking the chips I excliamed out loud Why don't I have one of those! Great video looking forward to more.
Who else wanted to see Vince put all the old capacitors back just to prove that it wasn't the old capacitors. But as they were likely original I suspect many were faulty, just impossible to test under load. Another piece of retro tech brought back to life.
Holy mother of god! i have a same model master system that's doing the same thing and its been driving me bonkers for years, my first and favourite console, Thank you Vince for this amazing gift!
As a kid, this was my first gaming system. To be honest....i wanted a NES. (parents back then thought that all video games were the same) BUT years later I realized that this system was great. The card port was for stuff like the 3d glasses, and a few games. I still have the card adaptor for the 3d glasses, but the actual glasses I dont have anymore.
In my experience, caps are usually bad to a degree on vintage equipment, so once I've checked for obvious visible issues, and that the correct supply voltages are there, I swap out electrolytics almost as a matter of course. Old caps can appear to test OK and yet still be bad.
Especially considering he said it smelled fishy
Your genuine explosion of joy when the Sega Logo showed up on the screen just made my day. Thank you very much for your videos!
what a great christmas present, an hour long mmv video :)
Great to see the old Master System being featured. At the time this came out in the 80s, Nintendo were very much playing second fiddle in Europe, while Sega reigned supreme. The Master System has the best 8-bit version of Space Harrier without a doubt. Lovely old console and they tend to be very reliable too, with most problems being related to dirty contacts on the cartridge port.
Update: I've resurrected a 5.1 PC surround sound system, a Kenwood radio and a video card.
Thanks to you, Vince, I went out today and bought my first ever soldering equipment. Between watching your videos and my brief previous experience soldering/microsoldering, perhaps now I can resurrect some dead electronics I have laying about.
Nucken Futz, “that’s fuckin’ Nutz!” 5.1 P-muddah-duckin’-C surround sound system?!? Please, do tell… Nah bro, sounds interesting, it’s perhaps piqued my interest. Done alot of dancin’ around that subject over the past 4 years or so….
Have a go at modchipping old consoles. Did a PS1 other day nice Easy starter mod.
@@HA05GER Ha, actually already got into reviving/modding original Xbox's. Got 14. Sort of specializing in em atm.
@@nuckenfutz9983 that's pretty cool. Never thought abour an Xbox in a playstation guy through and through
Another air punch moment! Well done Vince
Good luck with your new desolder tool
This has probably been mentioned, but the expansion slot in the front could have a card plugged in to allow for 3D glasses. Maze Hunter 3D comes to mind but there were others
For cleaning vents and other holes in cases, I've found a spray with a garden hose works very well. Great job on the restoration! As for those memory chips, one of them, with the MPR- prefix in the part number was the game ROM. The other, as you looked up, was RAM. Position on the board WILL matter because although Data and Address lines are shared between the chips, they will have separate lines for bus arbitration signals, especially Chip Select. This is also why you shouldn't expect every single pin to be continuous on those chips.
When you pulled the chips out you reflowed the solder and also masked any cold solder joints you had. If you do a lot of single layer board repair you should learn how to through hole repair. Everyone is a critic. You did good.
You sure have come a long way vince since the firs time I started watching you years ago! You have taught me lots and hope you the best in the future!
The sawtooth sound you heard when you first started audio probing was the video sync. Unmistakable. And yes, modern TV's won't play audio with no video present. Part of the input select/noise mute logic that's been present since CRT's incorporated OSD's and blue screen for no signal instead of static or blank raster.
Long Vince videos are my favourite to watch before bed!
I wouldn't necessarily trust capacitor testers as my understanding is they can leak and not always show as faulty on the testers. Jim's radio shop and Mr Carlson's lab are good sources of information about capacitors. Mr Carlson even made a better tester because testers often show faulty caps as good.
I agree I used to love the Master System back in the day. I've got the exact (date 15 October 1988) same one boxed and it still chugs away nicely.
THIS is cool stuff! Seen loads of repair videos on various pieces of hardware, but this is one of the most intriguing ones I've ever seen. The Master System has one of the most interesting histories and legacies of any piece of hardware. Despite its lack of success in a lot of places, the PAL regions had the longer lifespan, especially Brazil where they released stuff up to 1996, which is something!
Brazil released Legend of Illusion Starring Mickey Mouse in 1998 one of the last official games for the Master System in Brazil. And as of 2015, the Master System was still in production in Brazil by Tectoy.
I got a Duratool station many years ago, and it's a godsend for removing chips etc.
I found that using solder wick took far longer, and was far more likely to rip up pads, mainly due to the amount of dwell time needed.
You might find that some stubborn solder joints (ie. on large ground or power planes) will be easier to desolder if you hold the PCB vertically, so the desoldering station isn't working against gravity.
You also don't need to put very much pressure at all on the pads. With the nozzle barely touching the pads, you can still wiggle the pin to free up the solder around it. That avoids the scuffing of the PCB around the pins / pads. ;)
On really stubborn solder joints, I've sometimes had to hold the board vertically, use the desolder gun on the underside, then use the normal iron to heat the pin from the top side of the board.
The Duratool (Zhongdi) used to come with a plastic solder container, which got a bit "melty" after a while.
They changed all of them to the glass containers now. Much better.
Good repair, btw.
And well spotted with those corroded pins. Those can be hard to spot. ;)
Yeah that looks very handy for the money as it actually does what its supposed to do and as anyone knows desoldering anything is the biggest pain in the arse and bore there is...
Happy Christmas Vince and thank you for all your awesome videos. Entertaining, easy to watch, inspiring and I love learning from them.
We've all had a soldering stand moment ;)
Thanks for the videos Vince and all the best.
Hi Vince, thanks for the great video! I hope one day to be as good as you are at fixing things.
A few suggestions Vince on what is another amazing video. (1) Build yourself a simple signal tracer - even an old amplified speaker but with a crocodile clip and a test probe on leads wired into it, plus a series capacitor will save you a lot of faff in the future. (2) Get a smaller soldering iron tip for that chip work, at least half the diameter of your current one. Ideally put it on a separate iron, as if you are like me you will get fed up changing tips and try to use the wrong one! (3) Wear a wrist strap or ground yourself before handling those ICs that you desoldered from the PCB. Wishing you a very merry Christmas and a very happy and safe new year.
Nice fix. I'm going to treat myself to one of those desoldering guns in the new year. I removed some video memory from a Megadrive recently and it was a nightmare. But I did get the console working. Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to yourself and everyone.
Well done Vince repairing this excellent system, i love the master system & have fond memories of owning one of these back in the early 90's, some cracking games were available for this Alex Kidd, Outrun, Double Dragon, Rtype, maybe wrong but this master system may have been packaged as the master system plus which came with the lightgun included in the box as i have this version, take care all the best for 2022 looking forward to many more videos
Another Great save from the landfill. You have to remember that back then it was 8 to 16 bit processing and really slow, Jeepers that unit is going back to the Ara of just 2 years after I graduated from high school - But I must say Well done Vince...
Merry Christmas everyone!
Great! I'm so glad the repair was successful, it's a nice christmas present. Thanks Vince.
these are the kinds of videos that really got me hooked on the channel :) and by the way, your ps4 pro is subjected to TORTURE with about 90 to 95% intake choked, and less than ideal space for exhaust
That was a great video repairing the master system. My childhood was playing the Sega consoles and arcades myself. Glad to see people show their passion for these old systems and get them working again. I Definitely subscribed to your channel. Keep up the good work brother 👍
I love your videos! A very practical approach to repairs. No fancy equipment either!
Ok. I posted too quick. Nice desoldering kit! Still not too too fancy though. I'd have to use a braid.
Usually on old 8 bit consoles the background changes the black when a large enemy comes on screen because the enemy is large enough to exceed the console's sprite limits and they have to use the background layer to draw most of the enemy.
This is the best Christmas gift by far!!! Will we have a 2 hours video on the new year's eve!
Ive got that desoldering station, paid £90 for mine in the summer on ebay. really handy, not that I often have to desolder stuff, but when I do, its so much easier and quicker
Another great fix Vince, I'm sure the story behind those caps will be an interesting one. Merry Christmas to you and your family.
Vince if that was chilhood systems than like me remember the little joy stick that yoiu could screw in the middle of the D-Pad :P
Merry Christmas Vince. Thank you for the long video Cant wait to watch.
What an amazing fix. This system brings so many memories. I used to play double dragon all the time on it. God knows how many times I have beaten the game :)
Double-Dragon, Shinobi, Rambo, Top Gun, even had this one weird game (can’t remember the name of it) where this car you’re driving takes off into the clouds and somehow you’re flying around… even had a subscription to like the Sega magazine after I got my Master System, only remember getting one issue of it though, but it blew my mind when somewhere in the magazine it described that sometime in the future th@t you’ll be able to play games ($tre@m?) through your “Cable box”, couldn’t wrap my gawddamn ‘ed around it…
Nothing like a bit of vince on Xmas morning
Always love your video Vince and always love to see the good 'ole Master System. About the background going black, that was common for a lot of SMS games and one of the selling points for the Mega Drive/Genesis. I remember an old magazine article with pictures showing the difference between the two systems and in particular R-Type on both systems. It specifically made a big point about how the Genesis didn't have to go to a black background for the boss fights.
Cheers!
Vince: * removes heatsink *
Me: I hope he doesn't forget to put that back on before turning it on for too long
Vince: "I can kinda smell a burn-y smell"
Me: uh oh.
Vince: "oh, it's the regulator, hope I haven't managed it"
Me: "Me too, me too"
I haven't finished the video yet but I thought it was funny :)
Merry Christmas Vince and Family! Good repair video to watch while wrapping gifts.
Well done Vince, very painstaking repair😀👍. Maybe time to bring together a ‘tools & techniques’ video perhaps? I’m seeing a lot of great learning coming through as the year has gone on and it might be useful to have a ‘getting started’-type video which could be useful to new folks getting into repair. Have a great Christmas!
I look forward to seeing more from you in 2022 Have a fab Christmas a a better new year
Very nice fix Vince. I still remember the first time i played alex in miracle world... epic memories. Merry Christmas to you Sir
Still love Sega's Master System. Rambo use to be my favorite game.
Great Video! Love seeing this old console back up and running!
Merry Christmas Vince! That was a brilliant watch that 👍🏻 it's so good to hear your reaction when you fix something!Well done as ever 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
the good type of spoilers
Thank you for your videos a merry christmas and a prosperous new year hugs here from Brazil
I bought a clone of that desoldering a year ago and it is fantastic. It´s a bit tricky, being prone to clog with lead-free solder, but eventually, I managed to sort it (adding leaded solder and/or flux does the trick), and nowadays I couldn´t pass without it.
The other thing I discovered very late is those almost needle-thin-ended multimeter probes. Really cheap on Aliexpress and mate, those are a real game-changer. For these 80s boards they help, as they pinch and stay nicely in the place where you lay them, but working on smaller SMD boards they are extraordinarily helpful.
Excellent video, buddy. Loved watching the process behind the repair. I'm glad it seems you didn't remove those chips for nothing. I also didn't know that about the smell of the capacitor electrolyte.
Excellent video as always Vince. Merry Christmas.
You sir, earn a sub! The Sega master system was my first games system! Good work on restoring it back to life!
Merry Christmas Vince. Another great video as always! Looking forward to what you put out next year.
Nice to see old Sega console coming back to life 🙂
Got a soldering tool set as a Christmas present 😃 More powerful soldering iron & soldering gun, than my old soldering iron, so should help a lot in those jobs.
Happy Holidays & Great job. Man that SEGA Master System looks Amazing. The design and intro screen is so underrated! I'm going to pull mine out and play some Golden Axe Warrior today.
Amazing video as always hope you and your family had a fantastic Christmas Vince
Top tip for the master system, Use a MegaDrive/Genesis controller,
Works perfectly, A and Start not used, B is 1 and C is 2,
Much better controllers and miles more comfortable.
Hi Vince, like your videos.. as mentioned earlier in the comments the holder for the de-soldering gun should clip into the bracket on the right hand side of the main unit. Keep up with the brilliant vids and Happy Christmas to you and yours.
Thanks for the vid Mate. Merry Christmas.
Great fix Vince ....classic case of the Leakey caps
3 months old when this came off the production line. The SEGA I had was the Mega Drive, still regret putting it in the bin during a clear out where I just put everything in without much thought!
Most chips also have a specific way around - they can be damaged if they go the wrong way
Great video and my favourite system too. A very merry christmas to you and your family.
Great fix Vince, was not easy to find good job 👍
a merry christmas vince and family ,thank for all the content over the years .i always look forward to watching your video,s . p.s have great new year :)
Thank you for the great content this year Vince. I have learnt so much! HNY...!
Love this video Vince. The mighty Master System lives to play another day.
Strange one though as you say those caps look stock, and with the screws missing I'm wondering if someone has been in there before and just not managed to sort it. Finding that trace would be beyond most people who open up a system just to push things around, so that and resitting those chips following a clean could have been all it needed.
Great video as always, you should put up a link to the desoldering gun, I'd be happy to use a link from you that gives you some credit for the recommendation.
Great video Vince! Happy belated Christmas to you, and A Happy New Year to you and your family xx
5:53 that zoom in was epic!
I leaned back in the couch and went "whoooooaaaaa!" 😆
Merry Christmas, Vince!
"Yessssssssssssssssssssss" awesome fix Chris keep in mind that the caps can fail under voltage. Season Greetings from down under, Australia.
Great video Vince, legendary perserverance.
I really enjoyed this fix and I'm glad you got to relive some kid days. Ain't nostalgia wonderful?
Good vid as always :) I remember there was someone selling 3d print replacements of the Master System's D-pad if you ever fancy changing the loose one on your Controller. I think it was on Ebay but I'm not sure. Merry Christmas :)
good job mate and merry Christmas
Great Repair Vince, I own a monster of a Yamaha AV Receiver which wouldn't Power On and did a bit of research and someone had commented that one of the capacitors needed replacing, I took it round to my Brothers and he checked the Capacitor and he believed it was ok, He changed it anyway for a Capacitor of the correct value and Voila, It fired up and has been working ever since! :)
Good video. Thanks for all your entertainment and display of preserverance. Regarding the price: I just paid 100€ for a faulty Atari Jaguar with Cybermorph... No Controller, nor cables or Power Supply. Red Screen of Doom. Expected the usual dirty Slot. It wasn‘t. After some regretful thoughts I started measuring stuff and eventually found the fault. All on my own. Imagine the yes moment, when it finally came back to useful life! Just two questions remain: Have you played Atari today? And when my new Controller arrives: Where did you learn to fly? Merry Christmas.
Im just glad you was able to fix. This was my favorite system in playing phantasy star..
Another Vince movie. Perfect timing.
Thanks and Merry Christmas 🎄
These console fixes are the best.
When old capacitors show a capacitance higher than their rating this is a sign they are internally leaking. You can't find that with an ESR meter because that just makes the ESR lower.
Merry Christmas vince and family
Really enjoyed that, after sitting here, locked in after catching Covid at Christmas!
Great video, thanks and Happy Holidays.
Merry Christmas to you and your family Vince
Well done Vince!
Still have my system practically brand new in its original box from when I bought it WAY back in the 80s'! I also have the light gun and the 3D electronic "shutter" glasses that you plug into it to play some 3D games, all in their original boxes too! I never could get into it because of the lack of games they made for it here in the US. The Nintendo just completely clobbered it with its enormous amount of games! Too bad as it was/is really a cool system and looked sleeker than the Nintendo, in my opinion anyway. Congrats' on fixing yours! I felt your joy when you turned it on and it worked! 👍👍
PS: Holy crap...I just realized that it almost 6:30am where I am and I'm still up! Good morning and Happy Holidays everyone...off for some z's I hope now! ❤❤
excellent fault finding as always great fix and awesome to see altered beasts working again :)