Why is Ubuntu Getting so much HATE ?
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Ubuntu is the biggest distro out there. It had a transformative impact on the Linux desktop, helping to move it from "hobbyist project" to something that can, and is used by millions. From its inception in 2004 until today, Ubuntu has been working on the Linux desktop, with more or less success depending on the initiatives they took. And still, this distro, and its associated company, Canonical, are being criticized, dismissed and are generally getting a lot of hate lately. Let's see why
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Ubuntu introduced an integration with Amazon when they started shipping Unity as a default desktop environment, and later, they added a reporting tool that collects sytem information and sends it back to Ubuntu to check on what their users are actually using hardware wise.
Then there's the data collection. Ubuntu asks their users if they want to DISABLE the data collection after install, meaning that it's turned on by default. This created outrage in the Linux community, arguing that Ubuntu had become spyware. Now, this is complete nonsense.
First, Ubuntu gives users an example of the data they collect: it's just hardware configs, nothing personal is sent or kept. It's less info than what the Steam user survey collects, and the goal here is to help Ubuntu tailor the experience for their users, looking at what hardware they use.
The second thing that often gets brought up is that Ubuntu tries to reinvent the wheel. Most projects that are cited here are Mir and Unity. Mir was a new display server that Ubuntu pushed when they were working on their new Unity desktop, to try and have a coherent solution for mobile devices and desktops at the same time, to work towards device convergence.
For both these projects, Ubuntu took some flak, the community accusing them of reinventing the wheel, splitting the community's efforts for development, and just wanting to do their own things.
While these are valid criticisms, you have to remember that the competing projects, at that time, were far from ready. Ubuntu should have gone with Wayland instead of inventing Mir is a phrase we often read nowadays, and still, Wayland at the time just wasn't suited for what Ubuntu wanted to do. Wayland is just a protocol, and its implementation at the time, Weston was severely lacking. Mir was supposed to allow a less modular design, with more stuff relegated to the display server instead of the client, to guarantee more performance on ARM environments, which was where Mir would run as well: on smartphones and IoT devices. Wayland didn't meet these criteria.
Unity, on the other hand, was created because GNOME 3, at the time, was such a huge departure from what users were used to. GNOME 3 did away with most, if not all the conventions for what a desktop was in the minds of users. No menu bars, no task bar, no application list, no regular menu. Instead, they pushed the activities concept, did away with the minimize button, they generally invented a whole new vision for the desktop.
Ubuntu didn't want to break all of their user's workflow, and so they worked on something that users would be more familiar with, and added their own spin on things, with the dash, allowing users to search through the entire system, a dock, and a global menu bar.
Snaps are another controversial point, that I would tend to put in the "they invented another way to do things instead of contributing to an already existing model" locker.
Snaps are a way of packaging and distributing software. They are generally criticized for being slow to load, creating new mount points in the disk utility, yes, really, and for being proprietary.
While snaps are indeed pretty slow to load, don't always respect the user's theme, and do use mount points to mount the snaps and allow the apps to run, the proprietary part is complete bogus.
Snaps themselves are completely open source, as is the way of creating them, running them. What is proprietary, however, is the snap store, the place where applications are distributed.
There is a good reason for this, though: Ubuntu doesn't want multiple store and repos popping up, to keep the snap store consistent for companies that would like to distribute their apps there. Snaps, just like flatpaks, try to solve the app distribution problem on Linux: with these formats, you can package your app once, and it will run anywhere. Companies that make software might want to distribute their apps on Linux, but if their app is displayed next to a lot of copycat applications that are left unchecked, or if their application get repackaged by other users, then they're just not going to go for it.
I think the reason why they keep the Snap store proprietary is due to a different reason. Alan Pope once did say that they had a similar situation before with launchpad website and the community wanted it to be open sourced. What happened in the end was that it was made open source after Canonical took the effort but they received no contribution from the community to the website. So, he said that they are expecting for such a thing to happen if they open source the snap store and also there is lot of effort taken to open source a project and they have the efforts directed elsewhere at the moment.
Good point, I'm pinning this.
Bad excuse, as always.
Why they don't make everything on Ubuntu proprietary then? So, everyone magically will start to take it seriously LOLOLOL and use so much LOLOLOL and keeps using LOLOLOL and then all companies in the world will create programs to this distro and contribute LOLOLOL
That's why the Linux community hates Canonical and they will keep hating them. They are giving a lot of reasons for that to happen, "let's make proprietary because when we opened up it didn't work"
LMAO
What open sourcing snap at this point do is help to repair the trust Canonical has damaged over the years. Not opening it because no one will help them develop it is very much against the open and free spirit of Linux, which people will inherently distrust and dislike. Personally I strongly hate how the snap store is controlled by Canonical and Canonical only. It gives the look that Canonical want to control your computer by controlling how you install and run your software applications.
@@sapinho-sapeca I am not completely backing canonical on what they are doing but there is actually effort involved when open sourcing something. It's not like flicking a switch. There is serious effort involved afaik. I really do understand that an open source code will let people look into the code if something shady is happening but at the same time while they have to direct the work on different projects they have within the company. So last time they did something with launchpad, they didn't even receive a single pull request and that made them question the effort they put to open source the project. To be honest, that a very lame response from the community. Idk but I wouldn't full justify the path they took even though I find the reason they said to be genuine as they might have felt that the community is all talk and no action. Just for reference, I don't work for canonical and so take it easy on me lol.
@@TheLinuxEXP Alan Pope said this in an interview with Jason Evangelho who write Linux stuff for Forbes and the interview is there in his channel "Linux For Everyone".
linux user: ubuntu spies on me
also linux user: logs into google account
So true
Hey! No facts and logic here please. We just want to emotionally react without thinking. Its the Linux way.
@@Dr.Mohandes Yeah,They do,Im excited for Lbry
@Tab i would buy it too if i could but i can't because of united states sanctions against my country (iran)
Bold of you to assume my google account is tied to anything important I do lol
Ubuntu is probably the most misunderstood distribution ever. I personally prefer manjaro or mint over Ubuntu. But the contribution of Ubuntu to make Linux popular is indisputable. Period.
Exactly
You are aware that Mint = Ubuntu, right?
@@orcaflotta7867 You are aware that Mint have Debian version, right? And LM Ubuntu version devs gets rid of a lot of the stuff that Ubuntu get critized for.
@@orcaflotta7867 You are aware that Ubuntu depends and was based on Debian, right?
Ubuntu sold it's users and their data to Amazon... there's nothing to misunderstand about that. Oh, but they're not doing that any more isn't an excuse. People still used Ubuntu when they sold the data, the same people telling me that they don't do that any more matters very little.
Even though I don't use it anymore, if it wasn't for Ubuntu I probably would not have become a Linux fan. I started using it to develop during college and the fact that is was very user friendly (in a time when the old KDE wasn't) and mainly that it had this huge community with tutorials to solve any kind of problem really help me learn about Linux.
That was the reason I could start trying other distros and ended up keeping Mint as my main one.
@@sapinho-sapeca started with backtrack, ended with slackware. Still loyal to slackware.
Manjaro is the best one for me, Mint is pretty good though.
Been using Linux for well over a decade now, started with Mandriva or Suse as a teenager (can't remember which one exactly), but it was Ubuntu that really pulled me over the open source world. Ubuntu was the first distribution that made me ditch my Windows dualboot partition, something that hasn't changed even to this day. I still use Ubuntu and openSUSE in combination on different machines - Linux has never been easier, more beautiful and more powerful.
That being said, I also tried to give Linux Mint a try, but gave up on it a couple of years ago after their iso's and website got infected with malware. Never tried it again since then, because I value my privacy and I cherish the high security standards that mostly only big AAA distributions are capable of delivering (Ubuntu, Debian, Suse, Fedora, Manjaro, Arch, you name it). Ofc I tried a bunch of other distributions over time, but I always keep coming back to Ubuntu and Suse.
Personally, I liked the Amazon dash integration, mainly due to the fact that I am a happy customer, and I absolutely adore the old Unity 7 dash. Just like Suse, Ubuntu was way ahead of the curve, and it continues to impress me.
In fact, I miss Unity 7 so much, that I gave the new Ubuntu Unity 20.04.1 remix distribution a try, only to face a similar situation that triggered a "dejavu" (Mint) feeling inside of me: malware.
All in all, I'll be sticking to Ubuntu and openSUSE for the foreseeable future, because I'm grateful and happy to be a part of this gigantic and highly reliable open source community. Now most of my friends and family members use Linux or Mac, which was pretty much unthinkable a couple of years ago.
”Linux fan”
I dont understand this mindset at all.
I use linux because it is getter than windows for programming and I cant afford a mac.
Why would somene be a fan of an operating system kernel?
@@dstinnettmusic why not? Using the statement means you like it. Maybe they have to use another OS for work, but likes the idea of Linux in general... The FOSS aspect and all.
"I hate Ubuntu" as I type on my Ubuntu based distro.
I mean Pop OS gets rid of a lot of the stuff they get critized for.
@@sapinho-sapeca Exactly. And PopOS et al. wouldn't exist without Ubuntu.
@@sapinho-sapeca No Ubuntu derivatives would exist without Debian, because even if they're based on Ubuntu, Ubuntu bases itself on Debian.
*Laugh in Solus*
But in all seriousness tho. I don't hate Ubuntu, I just didn't had a good experience on it back when i tried it there for now i just avoid it.
FWIW I don't hate Ubuntu. I use it every day and much prefer it over Windows. I was mocking people who say "I hate Ubuntu" but continue to use Ubuntu's children. I guess you can love someone and hate their parents. But you must respect the parents because without them your beloved wouldn't exist.
Ubuntu is a great thing! They are bringing a lot of UX quality to Linux for "normal people"
That doesn't mean it doesn't have bad points, Snap in recent days.
What happened to having a completey open source base system.
I understand the reasons for non free repos for say wifi, but if Canonical released their own proprietary driver people would be as mad or more than about Snap.
edit: Typed this before seeing the end of the video. The backend being proprietary is the same issue with the Play Store. There is a open client called Aurora store but ultimately Google still controls the system.
For normal people like windows user ye, I don't like telemetry rumors say Ubuntu does it either.. that's why I don't like it
Thats not Ubuntu that is Gnome and RedHat. They did so well with Unity but then thrashed it.
@@deoxal7947 Yes, at least, you can download Apps from Aurora Store anonymously.
@@deoxal7947 true
I've paid more to Manjaro in donations than I have to Microsoft in Win10 licences... I think Linux users look to the ecosystem as an "unlimited free trial" rather than getting as much for free as possible. I just hope elementaryos' store model catches on to more distros.
I hope so too!
I hope für a centralized Store for all distributions, because of you by software, you by it once and it does not matter what distro you on. So the shop would not bind you to one distribution. At least it is my understanding, that e.g. Pop OS, elementary OS and mint have their own shop each.
That's a shame considering how shit manjaro is compared to pure arch. They can't even host a forum properly let alone improve on arch bu slowing it down plus adding needless complexity.
@@Lagotarius That was the ideia behind Snapcraft. It is hard to imagine that being the case with Flatpaks since there are many repositories besides Flathub.
@@timothybilotta8090 Agreed! But some people don't want to go through all the manual setup so... EndeavourOS is the way for them!
Conclusion: Use whatever distro you like. I'm switching from Ubuntu to Mint for a better performance.
I switched mint to Ubuntu
I use Pop!_OS, except I don't like the new design changes they did, i'm downgrading from 20.10 to 20.04 (for the security updates)
@@ajiteshkumar whats ur situation now? In pop os user too
I just got notification of a new 21. Something version. I hope it to be gud, cuz I'm in dilemma with continuing gnome or try out kde plasma, cuz I'm kind of high inertia habbit, I don't wanna change but stick with one and be better.
Linux users: So you are giving the OPTION to send very little data to you and it's DISABLED by default?
Also Linux Users:
sudo cancel distro
This wasn't their problem, no one freaked out EXCEPT for when it was thought that they were sending data when disabled
I don't trust Canonical after how they used to bundle Amazon spyware into the distro.
@@comicsans1689 But they removed it after realizing it was a silly idea.
What is Windows 10 doing? Consuming 100% disk and 40% memory usage just to send your information packets to Microsoft.
Some Linux users are spoilt brats who take their total freedom and privacy for granted.
I bet you use a Google account, eh?
Hoohoo, no, don't lie. Yes. You do.
I personally don't care about my privacy. My information is sent out to bring me tailored ads and keep me as a query in a vast database which is harmless.
Your bloody phone number is available to many companies you've come into contact with throughout your years, and you don't care, because it's harmless
@@dee23gaming Why are you so defensive of Canonical? The point about them is that they will disregard your privacy and your trust and do what they want. That is against the ideology of the Linux community. I expect proprietary spyware to abuse and spy on me because proprietary software is slavery, but FOSS is supposed to be better than that. By including spyware in their Linux distro, Canonical showed just how little they respect the trust of their users, and puts them in the same tier of Google and Microsoft.
Im a biologist, i always hated computers and was a pretty douchy macintosh user, now im trying to switch things off and two software developer friends recomended me ubuntu to start my linux journey, and im enjoying a lot this learning process, ubuntu is really noob friendly and i really appreciate that :)
Trust me, you want to keep yourself with ubuntu :)
Based on my journey exploring multiple distro, ubuntu is the only ready-to-use but yet has modern touch. You can install nice GUI on (let's say) Arch distro but it requires a lot of effort for understanding how to get it working. On the other hand, Ubuntu already handles this under the hood which is pretty neat
Why to hate any distro? Just use whatever you want and forget what other people use 🤷♀️ so simple.
Edit: before you start writing why you don't like using the distro, *stop.* That's not hating it. I'm not talking about disliking the user experience, avoiding the distro or recommending another one. I'm not talking about disliking the company behavior or people who work there. Read exactly what I wrote, don't add information from your imagination.
"oh it takes the user base from other distros", just like Netflix from blockbuster, digital camera manufacturers from film manufacturers and so on. That's life. If someone offers something people would like to have and you can't offer the same or if you can't make people see what you offer, you will be in disadvantage. Don't expect others not to be clever and take advantage of the opportunities just because you want to have a easier time. You may not like this behavior, but that's not hating the distro and it happens everywhere and most of the time you as a consumer don't feel sorry for the companies which stay behind. Do you photograph exclusively with film? Do you work with a typing machine? Do you feel sorry for blockbuster or Kodak?
Let me answer my own question: I still shoot film, I love it, wish we had more options, I dislike how fujifilm destroyed some machines that turned impossible to manufacture some films. They could have sold them to Kodak, but they haven't. I avoid fujifilm, I don't recommend fujifilm, I disapprove the company's behavior. But I don't hate the film they manufacture, I don't hate the people who use it. Other people are entitled to make their own choices even if I disagree with them.
I can't agree more...
@thegeorgezila yeah. But my comment is not about dislike, is about hate.
@thegeorgezila your hating doesn't stop them. As of now the most used Linux Distro is Ubuntu, they power up most of the servers around the world, containers, etc. Just take google cloud, AWS, Digital Ocean, etc for example. At the end Ubuntu loves Canonical. So, Canonical won't stop.
sometimes i get the feeling some people don't want mass adoption of linux, they like being on an "elitist" os. as far as i know nobody forces you to use ubuntu. so please stop hating on ubuntu and go on with your life. stay with the distro you like and let it be ;)
@Can Tin The sheer amount of ignorance in this comment is astonishing. Just because apps can spy on you doesn't mean they do. Firstly, neither LibreOffice nor Linux are spying on you. They are among the largest and most mainstream open source projects out there. They're being constantly worked on by dozens of independent contributors and every new commit is also closely monitored by many people. If it were spying, we would know and it would have caused a huge scandal just like when Audacity tried to add telemetry. Google, Facebook, Twitter and Discord are absolutely spying on you. Nobody's ignoring that. A lot of us simply don't really care, as made evident by the fact that I'm posting here. I will however challenge you to try to even mention those services in front of someone who does indeed cares about privacy. They'll tell you to use Searx, Mastodon or Matrix. The more extreme ones will also tell you to use Tor with a VPN.
@Can Tin LibreOffice isn't spying on anyone. Also, many people choose open source Un*xes because they want ethical operating systems, which basically means freedom and excellent privacy. The web is different, because in many cases you don't have a free choice because of the network effect. Fortunately, you can create Firefox/LibreWolf container for every spyware service.
Your reasons are spot on. I've been using Ubuntu for about a decade. I took a break but I'm now on the latest lts. I am amazed how much it has improved. I'm already nerding out on it and having a blast
As far as I know, Ubuntu or Canonical got some hate from Debian developers and users, because at the beginning, they just used plenty deb packages of Debian, without adjustments for their Ubuntu Core, at cost of stability (at least this is, what I heard).
In the past I tested Ubuntu 8 something against Debian with the same desktop and it was way slower on the same notebook. I have a feeling, it would be the same today. But Ubuntu / Canonical had done a lot for the acceptance of Linux.
Mint does a nice job using the Ubuntu kernel and adding their own config /stuff. Install it, configure it a bit and you can give the PC to anyone in your family and they could use it without issues.
Well, considering they are taking Debian core and adding to it one should expect it to run slower than the one without the extras. Mark Shuttleworth was a big part of the Debian project in the early days. He never intended to separate the two.
As a Long time Debian and Ubuntu user.
Debian developer was not that happy about Ubuntu community and Canonical for not sending bugs up to Debian.
Except for that, Debian is meant to be a Mothers of lots of Linux Distributions. Others are meant to build on Debian, like Ubuntu and Mint.
Linux Mint Debian Edition 😎
I have nothing against Ubuntu I just like KDE more
@kuskus They do it, even if not directly. I know there are thid party developers that develop Kubuntu, Xubuntu or Ubuntu Budgie, but Cannonical supports these developers, even with direct funding.
Well i use Kubuntu which is Ubuntu with KDE.
@@wolfgangzeintl6425 Problem is it runs badly for older hardware. I have a laptop that shipped with Windows 8 so about 6 years old. It lags more than Windows without any programs running.
@@wolfgangzeintl6425 Well what version of Windows did you compare against?
@@deoxal7947 I use ubuntu gnome on 8 year old sony vaio with i3 third gen processor and 6 gb ram ... runs perfectly. I use it as a secondary laptop.
I have used many different distros. I have finally came back to and really enjoy Ubuntu. I like the UI, I like how it works. Don't get me wrong I like the idea of Manjaro and Arch based distros, but Ubuntu keeps pulling me back to it. I am running Ubuntu on all my machines now and love it.
I recently moved to Ubuntu from MX Linux because I couldn't figure out how to get 3 monitors working under MX. They worked immediately under Ubuntu. The thing that surprises me the most is that I don't hate Gnome anymore. In Ubuntu 20.04, Gnome is snappy and fast and I have become addicted to the super-key. So, I guess old dogs like me can still learn a few new tricks. Thanks for the great video!
I've been using Ubuntu since 12.04 off and on and only really started using it daily as of 16.04. Unity was a great desktop environment. The whole idea of it splitting the community effort was completely asinine because the community wasn't responsible for development of Unity. The Gnome community was responsible for Gnome and nothing else. It was like saying having KDE and Gnome desktops splits the community efforts. The Ubuntu phone-home thing never bothered me because it was easily turned off and most users couldn't even grasp the concept of opt out functionality. I don't really use snaps but I like the idea that they're their own containerized application that is seperate and don't contain pre-requisites. They're also more secure because of their containerization. Yeah, they're a little heavier than non-snap apps and could probably be better optimized, but the idea behind them is stellar from a security and corporate perspective.
While using Ubuntu for few days now, I've noticed that snap package are larger in size than deb files. And also the Ubuntu Software Center doesn't work most times, I have to end the snap store process and then have to restart the software center again. Do you anyone having same problem?
Just remove snap completely
About snaps being bigger than Debs: yes, I noticed that too. Your problem with the software Center seems very weird to me though, I've never encountered that problem and I've been on Ubuntu for... Four years I think?
@@sapinho-sapeca how ?? I've removed it completely
@@yeet8957 I think it's common in 20.04. I have seen many people asking the same in forums.
Happened to me several times
Software center does not work on my pc sometimes
The problem with Ubuntu is that it doesn't hear its community and persists doing things that fail in the end : Upstart, Mir, Unity and Snap will follow.
And they're quite right about that, maybe that's why they managed to become one of the most popular distro
Been trying the Ubuntu 22.04 development version for a couple of days and have been very pleased with the aesthetics, performance and stability. The user interface and desktop interface are top notch, really beautiful and customizable. Well done for the Ubuntu team. Great LTS release! Congratulations
the ongoing discussion about snaps.. you still can use flatpak aside with it that is no problem at all. it is a addition you can use and I don't see any downsides here.
Whole time i was watching those birds.. and the desktop colour shift😁
I'm coming back to Linux after about 6 years not using it. I suddenly have this perspective where I see how crazy we all sounded harping over little things that aren't that important.
Although Ubuntu's desktop unity/gnome3 environment is not so user friendly (e.g., difficulties in adding desktop shortcuts, is just one out of the many) its function(s) is still a solid feel and experience.
Been distrohopping last year, up to the point where I use gentoo, but after trying them all, I chose to use kubuntu. It was a fun experience hopping, but I just want something that works out of the box these days. I would use opensuse but I'm having issues with it.
The only thing I can hate about them is their use of haloween purple and orange.
This I can understand :)
Not forget about the brown, hahaha.
I appreciate Canonical for making such a great os.
I love Ubuntu but i dont mind the amazon app and data collection long as it dont collect personal data.
You're absolutely right!
I just uninstalled it.
Daybot that’s what good about linux you can choose what you want lol
What I this amazon app anyway? I can't find any on my Ubuntu
@@ikrammaududi6205 it was in a older version
i use ubuntu on this website called "onworks.net"
i cant recommend it enough to people that want to see how easy linux is and if they like the features and interface of the large selection of distros
I remember installing Ubuntu on my cousins laptop and he actually found a use for the amazon app
First thing I do with libreoffice is enable "send usage statistics".... I think hardware data collection is pretty much required these days.
I wish more people done this honestly. People love complaining about Linux when Linux has terrible support for their hardware, but will never contribute and help developers by including their hardware configurations.
I try to install Ubuntu in my pc it's stuck in process sgx is disabled no solution I find for that error and no technical support from Ubuntu.
I strongly disagree that snap store being proprietary is a non-issue.
We already have a very functional fully open-source solution called Flatpaks and whether canonical likes it or not software is only fully free if both backend and frontends are free in modern world of popular server-based applications as well.
Flathub is a centralized repository for flatpaks, and eventhough it's a FOSS technology people don't just rush and create their own flatpak repos for no reason, because there is convenience in centralized services.
So reasoning behind keeping snap store proprietary is a complete bullshit, they want to have control over the ecosystem and consequently the distribution of linux desktop software, which would make Canonical what Google is on the Android... eventhough APK is an open format, play store is proprietary and allows google to have a tight grip on the android ecosystem.
This is what I'm trying to say all the time, but people seem to not understand.
Yes, and just the fact that we're privacy-aware and advocate for free software doesn't make us hipsters.
We don't hate Canonical or Snaps, we just call them out on specific things that compromise community's freedoms and privacy.
Usually I love your videos Nick, but this one although I see what you tried to do here, iron out the hatred towards Canonical I just can't get behind.
We don't need coorporate defenders, we need Canonical themselves to do it by standing for it's community and not against it. By standing for free software. Trust me, that would make community LOVE Canonical.
To be fair, most of what canonical and Ubuntu makes is free software. As far as I know, there only is the backend component of the snap store that isn't :)
I'm not trying to defend them, just explaining why it's not a good thing that these issues get overblown :)
@@TheLinuxEXP Yeah but you kinda called us hipsters which paints completely wrong picture of people who can't get behind Canonical's every move.
I personally think that Pop!_OS is the "fixed" version of Ubuntu, with great and stable Ubuntu base and replacing snaps with flatpaks and making the experience even more user-friendly for new users.
Eventhough it's a popular and mainstream distribution, it is still a great one and I can easily get behind it and their vision, but not Ubuntu for some specific reasons :)
Snaps are also horrible from technological standpoint, my girlfriend when she first tried linux hated the experience because snaps would be slow to load, wouldn't load at all or would be buggy. She had such a horrible experience that she wouldn't want to give linux another shot for a year. In that moment I told myself that I would never recommend Ubuntu to a new user anymore. A few months ago I finally convinced her to give it another try and installed Pop!_OS for her. She not only likes, but LOVES the experience, she is very happy with the OS and linux ecosystem in general. At this point it seems that Canonical doesn't really care about desktop anymore, so that's my main reason why I wouldn't recommend it to any new users anymore.
I didn't say everyone that dislikes Ubuntu is a hipster, I said some people want to use the edgy stiff that no one else uses, and these guys are the hipsters :)
Ubuntu great for booth beginners and power users. I installed ubuntu minimal with netboot and its barely using 100mb without gui like debian or arch. Also it even allows you to select which kernel you want to use! And installation is easy and completely gui based
Dropping Unity was THE most stupid thing Ubuntu/Canonical ever did - gnome is STILL an unusable mess !
I do like snaps sometimes. I've run into the problem that the official terminal commands given by a developer on their own website wouldn't pull the correct dependencies. Thus you'd launch the application and it would hang or something else.
Redhat even has IBM behind it! One of the most corporate corporations.
Yes but it also has Linus so they win. Ez clap.
And they pushed systemd on to all major distributions.
And People complaining about Canonical...
Red Hat is the most secure linux in my opinion
No Name
Actually, there is a "free" version of REHL called CentOS
@@hariranormal5584 but that is not REHL. It is like calling Debian Ubuntu... :-)
I don't get why people want privacy this much, they can't figure out your bank account login info, know your diet, or threaten you with *fucking hardware information*
This.
I ❤️Ubuntu... it saved me from Microsoft!!!
💕
Ubuntu brought Linux to the mass and they still do. Instead of scaring people away with terminal commands or hours on system settings even for the most simple thing. Ubuntu and Linux have given advanced users all the options to tweak and satisfy one's privacy or settings. If you dont want to use snap, dont use snap. It is just one of the options.
Ubuntu 10.04 was my First Linux experience, I loved It, I loved unity, I bought a Ubuntu phone, i spent time to learn how Dev apps on phone and unity8.... then they droped all things .... I feel betrayed ... this is the point
ubuntu is just love. its so perfect
The thing is... letting Adobe put their products on their terms create an environment where corps can flex their muscles and know that someone is going to concede. Flatpak creates an environment in distribution where the values around GNU-Linux are non-negotiable. Adobe is more than welcome to port their software to Linux, it would be awesome... but they need to do this in our terms. By "our" I mean we, the Linux community, and our values.
This isn't so different from a situation when Amazon want to build a new HQ and expect cities to adapt themselves and offer Amazon more advantages. To hell with them, just like NY did. We cannot accept this situations where we're always being pushed over and blackmailed by corps. And, you know, it's not like every corp is evil. Corps aren't strictly good or evil... their objective function is to maximize profit. Again, we - the community - are the constraints. All things considered, if we don't do our job of being good constraints, then a corp will maximize its profit unbounded, no matter the harm it causes. Red Hat is facing due criticism due to their CentOS decision, and this is good... they need to take this, the community must make our voices heard and corps need to understand that we're not against paying devs or paying for stuff. What we're against is the fact that some corp want all the power they can muster in order to dismantle or weaken us and enable unconstrained profit maximization.
PS: btw, I use Arch... joking. Dual boot: Ubuntu/EndeavourOS xD
Sorry man you have a lot of strawman's in this video and assumptions based on sterotypes.
The problem with the amazon app was the fact that it was enabled by default. If it was opt-in from the start it would be fine, everyone would be happy and ubuntu would make a buck.
The problems that Ubuntu has right now is that their business people have no idea what they are doing and have no idea how FOSS works. The amazon and snapd situations and how they destroyed their community (by making them just a source of feedback and nothing more) are proof of that. They are trying to become google (when it comes to monetization) when the reason why their audience use Ubuntu is that Linux is suppose to be different. That way they do not gain new users as competitors are still more powerful and at the same time alienate their existing user base.
BTW people know that the store is the proprietary part and that is a bigger issues than the client being closed source. Centralize control is proven counter-productive in the FOSS world but their business people do not understand that. The reason Linux exits is to do better with openness. If you are just going to close things up MS and Google are already there and doing it better. If you are to becomes just like the competitor then what purpose do you serve. Red Hat and Suse are making money but also respect basic FOSS principles and the community (The Fedora community is a model for such a thing). That is why people like Red Hat and not Canonical. It has nothing to do with being a corporation.
I would say the snaps issue is the biggest thing for me. Trying to force people to use snaps when there are so many apps in the repos already makes no sense. It makes even less sense when you find out some people making snaps aren't with the original companies who made the apps or that some companies only recognized the flatpak version but not the snap version. Ubuntu pushing snaps so hard is suspicious because its so unnecessary.
My own problem with Ubuntu is that Ubuntu is pushing Snaps too much, because I prefer apt packages
I believe the Amazon integration at the time isn't wrong as if they do it right the data sent to Amazon will not be traceable to the end user.
Damn, why are they slamming on ubuntu for collecting a tiny bit of data while they use Facebook
So the data collection in Ubuntu is justified?
I don't use Facebook though
@@mindoverclockr2743 but you probably use Google
@@mindoverclockr2743 it doesn't collect personal data for advertising
I think the people who are hating on it are privacy enthusiasts who don't use Facebook or Google. Because they know that system specs can be used to identify person.
It is pretty much impossible to force users to pay for open source software unless it has some kind of cloud base services in it. I mean, the code is right there out in the open, even an inexperienced programmer can just remove the lines which block you from using the software for free
Whenever I tried ubuntu or ubuntu based distro I always get a laggy pc. I use Nvidia GPU, now you can say “well go buy AMD then, it is more reliable” but let me say this, in my country every pc component is very expensive plus not everybody has the money to buy a quality GPU, CPU, etc. I once bought nvidia and I am so afraid that I bought it in past while everything was cheaper and now I am stuck with it. I want to use Linux, but then the performance decreases every single time and that is what made me try linux and abandon it every single time for about 5 years. Just to say this is probably one of the biggest issue or lets say obstacle in linux’s way, until they find a way to fix these kind of hardware related issues I will not and can not use it even If I really want to.
the problem is, that because Nvidia has their drivers proprietary (unlike AMD and Intel) which means the community can barely help with it (except making their own drivers but that is hard without documentation, see Nouveau) unlike with the open source ones
there are a lot of people who try to make the situation better, but with Nvidia and the community essentially working in parallel here, it's problematic
Kuhluh yea you are right but it still hurts to not get support for it from Nvidia, you buy their product and you do not get any support for one of the mainstream OS which I think is not fair for customers.
And they are not even try to do something, they are reckless
@@dorukhan8707 You actually get support from them (or rather, their forums). But it's not really the best one.
Although I once had a problem with my graphics card which resulted after some time that my screens went completely black. So I went to support, they sent my to their Linux forums. There somebody asked me to run Nvidia's tool and post the output (which was over 10k lines). I did it, he said "update your BIOS". I did it, the issue was resolved. All of that took (mostly because of work and time zones) 2 days.
Kuhluh good that I learned that, I never knew they had a such forum and support. I will definetely consult them. Btw, I was lately using pop os which is mostly because it was referred fast and also their windows tiling feature that really helped me lot, but although It looked pretty cool at first seem it was not the best for my pc, do you know a more consistent or maybe a better os choice. BTW, I use Asus GTX 970 and intel i7-6700k
My first Linux distro, if i remember correctly, was Ubuntu 10.04 LTS or Fedora 14 (codenamed Laughlin) and I admit that they do a great job. I was distrohopping until a few months, I wanted the latest features without having the "breaking" thing, so I use openSUSE Tumbleweed.
Ubuntu is the doorway to enter into the Linux world, but I criticise (and not hate) the way that Canonical focus on snaps. For example: the dummy Chromium deb package that automatically installs the snap Chromium or the testing applications like the Calculator or the System Monitor or (with the 20.04 LTS) the Ubuntu Software app that doesn't show correctly some deb packages or the forced updates, it takes me back.
I rather use the official repos or the Flatpak (not the best, not the worse) options. I prefer avoid snaps as much as possible, but if I need to use something like the CLion IDE (the JetBrains IDE for C/C++) then I use it.
just hope snap will keep improve the speed... 2-5 second to open chromium instead of instantly opened is ridiculous
I started using Ubuntu to build a mythbuntu server, about 12 - 13 years ago. it was an awesome distribution as it connected all the dots to get MythTV working. I used lircd for IR and a Haupauge Video Capture Card. Before Ubuntu, I used Fedora and before that, Red Hat. Before Ubuntu, I took hours and hours setting up the MythTV server. Compiling kernels with modules was a thing back then (kernel 2.6). Everything was done in Mythbuntu, all I had to do was install, config and done.
I respect Ubuntu for that reason. I run mainly Manjaro with a Ubuntu version in the mix. It comes down to an Arch class distro or a Deb class distro. I like both and run both.
hate is a big word to me, i don't hate them, i dislike some of their recent changes like snap stuff yes. it's why i moved from kubuntu to manjaro, (which i found to be more fitting to me somehow, but that's beside the point).
Manjaro also ships snap by default :)
But sure, Ubuntu is not for everyone, to each their own! I personally prefer elementary OS :)
@@TheLinuxEXP true, though when i used manjaro, i could put snaps off more easily. not sure if that has changed or if i am plain wrong? :O
Oh they just ship snapd, no snaps by default :)
@@TheLinuxEXP and flatpaks too for you to decide IF you want it.
That's the video that the Linux Community had to watch, finally some truths about Ubuntu
Thanks for the video, Ubuntu was my first distro, it was the distro that showed me the tech life beyond MS Windows, I could do pretty much everything that I've done in windows so far in a Open Source and privacy friendly environment even before it was "cool"
And just to make things clear, I'm a linux user since 2009, started using ubuntu 9.04, I've used Fedora, Debian, KDE Neon and refused to use arch or Manjaro (for personal points of view from my part), and had come back for Ubuntu on 20.04 version and I'm pretty happy with the results
Unity in opinion was the best DE, it was clean, beauty and space saving, the close button on maximized apps was near the "start" button, the menus were all in one place int he global menu, that's something that Gnome suffers to manage well since every developer fells to put the menus where they think they should plus the pain of having application menus taking space on non gnome apps (some die-hard gnome fans will rant about this), and yes, it worked pretty well with very few exceptions.
Anyway, all these rant about Ubuntu in my opinion, was not well based, I didn't like the amazon thing, but putting that apart (that could easily uninstalled if you wish so), I've had no problem with their choices.
There was so much hate for nothing against a thing that made so much good things like bringing more people, like me, to the Linux world, now we can even play games on Linux almost like others do in Windows, and Ubuntu was the chosen distro to be the base to start it.
The reason I do not use Ubuntu is because it seems to force snaps and when I loaded it into a virtual machine it wants you to make an account with your email to use it's gui package manager. I realize I could use terminal and/ just remove that GUI package manager. But, I figured I would just stick with my distro.
Great vid! .. As a Linux-curious MAC user, I'm getting more and more confused of all the distros to pick from. Any tip from someone on which distro to pick for media production and standard use? It needs to be safe, stable and really, really good looking =)
Thanks!
Stable is debian, but for media production check out ubuntu studio or manjaro
Hi, what I like about Ubuntu is that it is super easy to install and dont need to work arround to get it up and running like it happen with other distros beside there are repositories and docs for almost everything . Thanks for your video!
I moved from windows to Ubuntu around 2007, then to mint for a few years, then to Manjaro. Also used zorin and one I can't remember which is no longer distributed. Now I'm back to Ubuntu. It just does what I want with very little hassle.
Feren based on ubuntu is my go to distro for stability and reliability. Things tend to work there better for me. But I also like to experiment with other distros that have KDE desktop on them. I like both manjaro and kaos with KDE. Kaos because it centers on KDE and works to implement easy to use programs for it, and I like Manjaro because it is a bit more eclectic and uses programs that are best from more sources than just KDE. I am only mildly into privacy, but look forward to a day when linux may dominate with great choices that respect privacy to a reasonable degree and will work on cell phones and other devices. I think what we need most is creative competition in the computer markets which will correct many abuses. IMHO and in the limits of my poor bank of knowledge concerning computer function and technology. I like to write and promote creative ideas in the field of personal self help in dealing with limiting anxieties that block better social functioning. I am mostly educated outside of any formal education and have probably just an average IQ. But I love all the great minds out there, including computer wise folks such as yourself. Good luck with your largely selfless efforts here on TH-cam.
I just use Ubuntu. It serves the purpose I need, so it's just fine.
If there weren't fake packages hidden in the repos I wouldn't have issues with ubuntu. The package for Chromium absolutely should not be a script to install a snap.
I particularly like your comment about tech hipsters: the people who just want to berate everything that is more mainstream and then being the only ones who use the “real deal”. The Linux community always had those.
I was one of those, especially when I was so new to it all. It had to be fedora, and it had to boot to just the shell. Anybody who had it but booted to the GUI directly was a poser in my eyes. I’d like to think I have matured since. Heck, having not been a programmer for over 10 years, now I use a Mac!
Oh yeah, these guys have always existed, and I've been one as well before!
Well yeah, when had a talk with a "kid" (compared to me), stating: "I am not just a Linux a user, I am an Arch user". And he noticed I use Ubuntu, it went even worse saying: "oh, that's lame". I had to warn him with something like this: "Look, dude. I'm using Linux since 1995, probably I used more distributions than you've even just heard of, even as part of my official work, and even other UNIX systems, being a UNIX system engineer as (one of) my job titles throughout the years. I also had my private kernel patches written by me, etc etc". I have the feeling, that indeed, using something "less well known" is the cool thing only according to many people ...
KDE Neon based on ubuntu, but I still love it.
Great content! Thanks for this great channel - my key source to Linux related stuff.
Makes sense to me. I used Ubuntu happily on my work machine for a few years. Everything basically "just worked". At some point I had to wipe my drive because Windows 10 Update destroyed everything. (I figured out how to do all of my VR dev for work on Linux after that, good riddance.) When I reinstalled, I tried Pop OS "just because". Though I'd be lying if I can really tell the difference... When a non-Linux user asks what it is I just say it's Ubuntu, and it's mostly true. ;) I've enjoyed using Linux so much the last few years that I went all in and replaced my aging MacBook Air with a System76 laptop. I guess I don't really get all that bothered by a lot of the Linux controversies. I've never had to use Snap, so I don't, but the idea of paid software on Linux is a good thing when it supports the people making it. I pay for, or donate to, all sorts of software on Linux. Maybe if Mir had succeeded we wouldn't be in this mess with Wayland now. The more I read about the implementation, complexity, performance, hardware support, etc the more it seems like it's not going to be a viable replacement for X for years...
As a long time user of Linux since the 90s (my first distribution was RH and I had to learn code), I, too, came to the understanding that if any software worked well on my machine and I had a use for it, whether it was commercial, demo, or by donation, then I was happy to pay for it. If any developer was willing to do it for free, that was their choice. But to me, it has to be really good software to fit my needs when I install it.
i stopped using Ubuntu when I could no longer configure my desktop the way that I wanted. One used to be able to customize the format of things like date and time. Now, you have play games with Regional settings and accept the side-effects caused by those games. The frustrating part is that this is one area Microsoft actually gets right and the Linux community no longer allows.
They have the attitude that their way is the only reasonable solution. For me, that is the main reason I no longer use Ubuntu.
Most recently, I can do what I need a desktop to do in Windows, and I Linux or BSD of some form for the server.
Well, I use Arch and Manjaro desktops to manage Debian servers and VMs for a living. It works really well with Canonical
Several things kinda caught my attention:
- Snap sucks and would never be used by Adobe to package their software. The closest example is DaVinci Resolve and it uses nothing but a regular installer
- Ubuntu doesn't get hate just for being a "noob" distro. Manjaro is another user-friendly distro and it doesn't any of the criticism that Ubuntu gets
- Ubuntu sucks because it breaks whenever you upgrade it to a more recent version (ie. every year), and its package manager often does things in very non-standard ways. With CUDA for example, Ubuntu adds symlinks all over your /usr/bin folder to ensure users don't have to deal with environment variables; and while this *could* be fine, it simply doesn't work because CUDA wasn't designed to work that way
Overall, Ubuntu is just that well known distro; it's nowhere near distros like Manjaro, Arch, or Solus in terms of stability, and its approach to user-friendliness is totally counter-productive as it simply tries to hide tricky issues without solving them. Yearly updates make no sense on a desktop environment, and no initiative Canonical pushed for the last years made any sense at all.
I sincerely hope people will stop using it in favor of distros that have more active communities and developers that have more common sense, just like Solus, Manjaro, or Arch Linux.
Solus, Manjaro, or Arch have no business being out in beginners hands. They are not stable, and not focused towards beginners.
I don't use ubuntu but when I encounter problems with Fedora, OpenSUSE, and other Distros I tend to look for the same problem in ubuntu forums, and most of the time the solutions provided by their community is partial for or actually the solution to my problem.
My entire ISP where I work with over 60,000 fiber to the home users runs on Ubuntu for back office. It makes us lots of money. So ya, we kind of love it.
Out of all things one could criticise Ubuntu, the Unity Desktop deserved no hate, at all.
If you like it or not - personal preference. And that's a good thing. Use whatever works for you.
The advantage of Linux here is, you can just download another desktop enviroment and use that. And there are enough enviroments that would fit your needs.
It's not like back then with the Windows 8 debacle, were the UI was generally hated and you couldn't really customize it well. And unlike any LInux distro - users were stuck with that BS.
My desktop runs windows 10, my laptop runs Ubuntu. I’m gonna dual boot my desktop with Manjaro KDE though.
I update my machine on saturday. I want to do it through the terminal. I do not want any notifications or pop-ups telling me updates are ready or god forbid they were downloaded without my permission. I don't like that I am opted in to all the auto update madness without an option to exclude it on install. also the bleeding edge is nice sometimes. that's really my only gripe. in fact i still use it as my backup in case things go wrong. its always good to have the option "well if I completely fuck it up i can be up and running with ubuntu in less than an hour"
Thanks for explaining!
I have been trying to find a distro that I liked to install on my laptop (also my first time actually using Linux). I tried a few different ones but kept finding something that annoyed me, trying to fix it, and needing to reinstall, at which point I would try a new distro. While doing research on distros, I found a lot of people saying bad stuff about ubuntu without providing super clear reasons. This video helped clear things up a lot.
I did try installing ubuntu on my laptop and things are working well. I am also writing this on my laptop.
I hate it because its hard to install up to date drivers, went to manjaro just to use arch based software and drivers, have less issues as a result, also the kernel is more secure in manjaro because it is up to date, currently on version 5.8.# (don't remember patch/build)
Data collection like this should just be called "Hardware survey" the way Steam does it.
Sorry, there's a bunch of silly points made in this video I want to respond to:
The idea that companies need a proprietary app store in order to distribute proprietary apps is ridiculous. Software was distributed in a non-centralised way before the invention of centralised app store platforms. If you'd ever installed paid-for software in Ubuntu before the invention of snap/flatpak/etc, you'd know that this is usually done with a PPA. There were loads of things that could be done to improve PPAs without resulting to putting a stranglehold on the means of distribution. This is a move by Canonical to monetise and to produce analytical data they can use in turn to market their store to software vendors - you can judge for yourself if that's a good or bad thing, but to say that having a single app store repository is 100% necessary is obviously untrue. In my own opinion, having a reason for producing this proprietary solution is not the same as there being a justified reason for it to be exclusively a walled garden.
Your "tech hipsters" argument is ridiculous. I've been using linux as my daily driver for about 13 years. My first distro was Damn Small Linux, which I got from a computer magazine. I quickly moved to Ubuntu by getting some free CDs that Canonical would send in the post, back in the day. I use Arch every day now, and the reason I do this is because:
* I want to understand and control how my computer works in a more intimate way
* I like to use tiling window managers (I'm a programmer, it helps me work more efficiently)
* Arch keeps the packages you install fairly vanilla
* The Arch wiki is my favourite source of Linux administration knowledge
* I find rolling release distributions (of which Arch is not alone in this regard) are easier to maintain over time than big-bang releases every few months which change more things. One thing breaking a month after an upgrade is easier to track down and understand than 20 things breaking at the same time after a dist-upgrade.
* The AUR makes installing esoteric software easy. I've never contributed to a debian-based distro's repositories, but with Arch it's really easy to contribute to the AUR.
I use Ubuntu every day at work, and it's a fantastic server distro. Ubuntu is a fantastic desktop distro too! But *I have different needs and requirements to an Ubuntu user*. This doesn't mean I'm an edgelord who sneers at people who want a more curated, commodified user experience, as you seem to insinuate in this video - and as is the popular meme. I don't use Arch because "I don't want to feel like a noob", I use it because I *am* an advanced user, who needs flexibility, and who doesn't want to constantly fight the guardrails of a distribution which is designed for different people and different things.
The idea that the only way to make money as the developer of a distribution is to build a company is also very silly indeed. For every company backing a distribution, you'll find fifty open source projects which require more work and which rely solely on support through donations, public grant funding, or are collecting money from Open Collective or Patreon. Instead of starting a corporation, a cooperative, or a non-profit organisation, or a charity could own the project and handle funds. Ubuntu means community - corporations do not cooperate with each other by default. This take is - dare I say it - a bit tone deaf to the economic reality of the world we're in right now.
I can't understand why people are against data collection. These data collections are anonymous. These people deserve to make some money. After all they give you everything for free!
Some problems with Unity? Your joking right?
That absolutely useless piece of garbage was so slow it was miserable to search in and nothing listed by default meant it was just weird to use.
For me, that completely killed Ubuntu.
I personally don't like or recommend Ubuntu-I think the project is starting to show its age, and not in a good way, and it's just not what I'm going for-but the hate is overblown, as hate tends to be. The best tool is the one that works for you. For some people, that's Ubuntu. And that's fine.
Although I switched to the centos, I still have a place in my heart for Ubuntu. Mir was way more resource hungry, than. a buggy Gnome 3 at a time, when I decided to switch and it wasn't working well with proprietary NVidia drivers.
I agree with you on almost every point. But imo their downfall was that they were trying to present their distro almost like MacOS - stable system with user friendly GUI and built-in tools, though it was not the point. They just didn't have enough resources to fulfill their own promises and ambitions. May be they shouldn't go that big in the first place, but try to improve things that are already there.
Nowadays we see exactly the same tendencies in Windows and MacOS world and they are still very far from total success.
So Canonical may have just bitten the piece they can not chew on back then.
Anyway, always wishing them best of luck. Only the ones who tries can succeed
CentOS is quite stable and a good Server based OS. I always prefer CentOS where ever applicable, I was after CentOS gonna choose Ubuntu Server, but rather use Debian 10. I don't like hate it, I just got used to CentOS because that's the first OS I ever SSH'ed into in my life. Naturally, I got used to it :/
Change my mind: Manjaro/arch looks ugly and takes a lot of unnecessary time to look consumer-grade
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Ubuntu has been my main distro for years and I think it's great. My only major complaint is that the apt repository isn't nearly as extensive as Arch. Might switch to Arch or Manjaro for that reason, but Ubuntu is great.
True, the repos are not as well stocked
AUR really is amazing.
I've used ubuntu at uni a lot and the only thing that bothered me was the data collection and amazon issue which didn't make me hate it but made me distro hop to debian and later to arch. Nowadays I wouldn't mind about using ubuntu again. I just don't cause of the pros of using arch.
About snaps:
Canonical actually released once a (prototype) snap store which you can self host a few years ago. It was pretty bare bones (aka, you can only download and update it snaps, but that's it) but open source. Because of some reason, nobody really seemed to care. Which (obviously) meant the server rotted and is at this point incompatible with the newer versions of snap.
Also, part of Snapcrafts backend is (according to Canonical) actually proprietary and not owned by Canonical meaning that they can't release that source code, even if they wanted to.
@@sapinho-sapeca I don't know, I just read it in an interview from a Canonical dev once.
"There are good reasons for this to be proprietary" is where you lose all respect from me as a champion of Linux and Open Source. No, proprietary is not okay just because it's a company you like. Ubuntu should be commended for their contributions to the Linux community, but also opposed vehemently when they make mistakes, like distributing their software in a proprietary fashion - Especially when it is being forced on the users, as Snaps are.
They are not distributing proprietary software. They're just not opening up this small bit, because it defeats the software's purpose, and because no one would use it, just like Launchpad.
Proprietary software is inferior to open source, but its not a plague to be avoided. You don't use Steam? You don't use any blobs for your WiFi drivers, or graphics card? You don't use any device that doesn't have an open firmware?
Compare that to the small backend bit of the snap store, it just doesn't matter in the slightest.
And I don't especially like Canonical, I just think people like to give them shit for no reason.
@@TheLinuxEXP they are distributing their software through a proprietary method, which is just as bad, and is what my comment said.
Ubuntu is best Linux brand. Logo, name, colors... everyone knows what Ubuntu is.
Unity was like that aswell. New Gnome desktop doesn't look/feel like Unity at all (anyone at Canonical even care?). That is an issue for me.
Imagine that Apple release new version of macOS that looks Gnome...
About re-inventing the wheel, I think early versions on Apple's OSX (unix os being turned into desktop) can be used as direction for desktop Linux.
So, whatever Apple did was probably already well researched and is probably best possible option for unix desktop.
I use unity desktop on Ubuntu 20.04 and will also run it on 22.04 as well. I suffer from low vision and unity still allows you to zoom in and zoom out at user discretion. Unlike GNOME's redoncticulous zoom feature on their desktop that can't maintain focus for any length of time.
I love Ubuntu, especially when compared to Windows. I started with Mythbuntu 8.04 for a home theater PC system and now I'm using Ubuntu 20.04 on the 13 year old laptop that I use every single day. I must say, it's so much easier these days and everything works flawlessly. Pretty disgusted with Microsoft these days and I'm about to ditch them for good other than the fact that a few applications aren't available on Ubuntu.
Ubuntu is fantastic for beginners. I use it on my production desktop although I use Cinnamon DE as I never could stand Unity. My only criticism would be that it's over simplified by default, but that's going to be a side effect of it's user friendliness and honestly if you're the power user you think you are these things are easily sorted.
And I have no problem with them collecting anonymous data about my machine. I'm a hardware engineer barely competent at hacking together junk code that kind of just about does what I need, so if I can contribute in this way, it's all to the good.
IT here, half of our servers are Ubuntu.
• Flexible
• Well-supported
• Feature-packed
You cant go wrong with Ubuntu!
Ubuntu has always had a habit of going their own way, instead of working within the open-source community. They always avoid good projects in the community, and try to write their own independent versions of things.
HELP after i installed Ubuntu 18.04.4 my BIOS disappeared, i already have the bootable USB but i dont have BIOS to run it. evry F1 to F12 comand just opens Grub, and i dont kneow what else to do. I just want to go back from Ubuntu to my windows 8 :( PLEASE HELP! / AYUDA después de instalar Ubuntu 18.04.4, mi BIOS desapareció, ya tengo el USB de arranque pero no tengo BIOS para ejecutarlo. Evry F1 a F12 comand simplemente abre Grub, y no sé qué más hacer. Solo quiero volver de Ubuntu a mi Windows 8 :( POR FAVOR AYUDA! /
I'm not trying to hate on Ubuntu, but I abandoned it years ago for the following reasons: hostility to OSS 4.0, force-feeding of Pulseaudio to the users, Amazon integration, and. . . the switch to systemd.
Funny how we see people talking about how Linux is about choice, yet a distro does not allow you to choose which how you set up your sound (OSS 4.0 vs. ALSA). . . and Canonical's adoption of systemd removes the reason for Ubuntu being Ubuntu. It's effectively just another Linux distro now, nothing about it makes it stand out from the others.
There are reasons why I don't like Ubuntu to be my personal distro. But, I would still use it for stepping stone when recommending a distro for beginners or when I deploy a server (although, I might use Redhat, Fedora, Centos, or OpenSUSE instead).
I don't have to tell every reason to hate Ubuntu but people have reasons not to use or even hate a distro. And that's not bogus.
But you're right, Linux doesn't have to be used for personal use only, and so far, companies have been contributing a lot to the quality of life for Linux users:
- Redhat created an open kernel patcher
- Valve added Proton to be available for everyone when playing Windows games on Linux (with good support on Github as well)
- Redhat not only creates Fedora, but also Centos (find the difference yourself), which helps the Linux community by a lot
- Netscape made Firefox possible.
And those are only to name a few.
My point is... use what you like to use (I still use systemd even it's widely hated)
I don’t hate Ubuntu but I honestly think the best Linux is arch based like Manjaro.
Probably the critics are extremely vocal, but only a minority. However I don't dismiss the criticism. Well deserved criticism is not 'hate'.
Sure, but most of that criticism isn't really deserved IMO :)
@@TheLinuxEXP oh of course, I agree. I find Ubuntu quite good, and some people can be too dramatic :)
Absolutely! Us Linux users aren't generally a composed, calm bunch :)
I loved Manjaro too- but that last update caused ALL KINDS of crap-- and I couldn't take it any more- every time I'd turn it on things were different- and sometimes would change mid operation.. I had MABOX and Manjaro Budgie too- loved them both-- but can't take that constant problem isse.. I'm on LMDE 5 with Xfce on it. LOVE THAT and it's stable and FAST... but if Manjaro gets their act together I'd love to go back..