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"......Does not just corrupt the people around the narcissist but eventually comes back to destroy the narcissist themselves". I witnessed this with my oldest brother who was one of the most horrible human beings I ever knew and was destructive to everyone who loved him or tried to love him. He was definitely a narcissist and did much damage to me, 10 years his junior, growing up and as an adult. He committed suicide in Jan 2001 just past his 55th B-Day.
@@unsolicitedadvice9198 I've been fine about it, thanks for asking. It took awhile but I forgave him and therefore freed myself. He was smart, very handsome, tall, had gorgeous hair, was a babe magnet, and lived on easy street in whatever job he had. I think really attractive people have it much easier in life versus us regular types. He had it all...except his soul. His wickedness turned him into a self-consuming monster, just like Dorian Grey.
@@jeffsmith8197 that's an incorrect statement, while there are upsides to being attractive and downside to being unattractive, a person has many many traits. Intelligence, virtue, physicality, charisma, financial, and all the many possible diseases. a smart person has advantages a dull person doesn't, but the dull person has high resolve. To try to reduce the difficulty of life by a single trait is incorrect
@@TjJd-f8m so would be using terms such as good, evil or wickedness I'd assume... It is very hard to know one's true self without looking through biases. I like to think studies and new conclusions are better than doubt as they are, after all, beacons in the dark, but maybe change has more relevance, hence the resolution to constantly grow as an individual right?
He tried to eliminate the proof of his wickedness, the portrait, to get "peace" and by stabbing the portrait stabbed himself, only remained an unrecognizable carcass, and a portrait of Dorian in all his glory! Or at least that is how I remember the book after many, many years. He was irredeemable to the end, and I believe that is the intention of the author. Cheers
@@unsolicitedadvice9198 *most highly cognitively (clearly not emotionally) intelligent, charming yet coercively rapey chauvinistic or warmongering greedy lusty male narcissists truly & delusionally think + fully believe they're the good guys fighting the bad ones when they're brothers in arms with their deeply ingrained crafty pathological lies + covert malignant more cerebral psychopathically sadistic narcissism masquerading as wonderfully shining yet soulfully dead & sadly glamourized utterly fake enlightenment of older arrogant powerful men...*
I have seen a narcissist at home. I have lived with her for years. One thing I have realised is that they can't improve. Their nature is so deeply ingrained. Their occasional pangs of conscience comes and goes and they are back at their worst.
Thank you! Though I am not the first to make that point. In fact, when I wrote that line I was 80% certain that I was paraphrasing someone, but I could not for the life of me find the quotation online. So someone please let me know if they find out if someone else used a similar turn of phrase
Some truly excellent insights here. While I‘ve never read the novel, I‘ve known people like Gray. Their careers and relationships haven‘t been as dramatic as his, but they‘ve been just as troubling…
Great analysis! I just finished this book. It was so sad in many ways (Basil did NOT deserve his fate), but I loved it. Dorian really is the perfect embodiment of a narcissist, but I wonder if he wasn’t manipulated into his actions from Henry? Of course he made his own path, but given that everyone has narcissistic traits within them, perhaps full blown narcissism is bred via your environment and outside influences. Henry essentially scared him into thinking his beauty and youth was the only thing he had to offer the world. With that, I went from feeling sad for Dorian (I think we’ve all had that existential crisis of one day getting older and losing our looks), but I quickly started to hate him after how he treated Sybil lol.
Thank you so much for these videos, for a while I felt like a shell of a person, but slowly I’ve started building myself back up and your videos reignite my interest in philosophy and make me feel happy. Please don’t stop making these if you can help it:)
This is a wonderful analysis of the themes that are central to the novel, and you make it relevant to students who may not be inspired to read. I appreciate your enthusiasm and your development of the theme throughout your talk.
Your way of explanation, voice and intonations (not to mention the good looks lol) is really attention-gripping. I found this video by searching about the book, but I'd definitely check out your other videos.
Have you read Crime and Punishment by Fyodor Dostoevsky? There is one paragraph within that book that has gripped my consciousness for years. I would love your opinion on the topic. It is in Chapter 5, it goes roughly like this, there are ordinary men and extraordinary men. Ordinary men are bound to the rule of law and should follow the medians moral code. Extraordinary men are a rarity and have the intellect or the power to make great net positive changes in the world. Raskolnikov (the protagonist of sorts) uses this in part to justify his actions of murder. Now I do believe murder to be wrong, yet I also believe that murder is sometimes needed, the greatest example would be WW2, you could not take Hitler down with words. So this has caused me to do a introspective drive into what is right and wrong because I would argue that the biblical commandment of thou shall not murder is not always true. So there are exceptions for morality that are sometimes needed. The conclusion I have come to is this, what makes an action good or bad is not the action itself, it is the time elapsed, time is the judge of morality. Something that is good or bad in the short term might not be good or bad in the long term. Think of touching a hot stove, it hurts you in the short term but in the long term you hopefully learn the lesson to be more aware of touching hot surfaces. The net is positive. Think of smoking, nicotine in the short term is awesome, increased focus and concentration get all that sexy acetylcholine and dopamine in the short term; but in the long term it causes health risks. An action that can, at least antidotally, be positive in the short term turns into a net negative in the long term. I hope I have elaborated my expansion of Dostoevsky's thoughts well, I believe this is a good location to get some genuine conductive criticism. Please tell me your opinion whoever is reading this.
Morality is closely linked to the ego, for there needs to be a perspective to outweigh the good and bad of a given action. Given that needed perspective the only real question is who's judging? Leave it to a hindu to judge, and every living being is exactly as important as the others, but leave it to a monotheistic person to judge, and it'll only be the people that worships their god. And neither of those are wrong, they're frameworks that are righteous within their own perspective. Altruism only works when we know what's true, whilst solipsism doesn't need any guidelines. I think that's the dillema that's been slowly corrupting society
I’m not as articulate or well read as you. However, it just seems to me that we can’t know at the point of our behaviour what the end result will be over time - will it turn out good or evil? Often it will be both. Furthermore, even the concept of good or bad is subjective and can’t be agreed upon by people.
@@catcat4697I do agree that a diversity in culture is good. The more ways people and few the world the better. Diversity in culture can come up with different solutions to the same problem which I think the human species needs. Could you elaborate on why you think altruism “works only if we know what’s true”? I don’t think I fully understand what you mean.
I (accidentally?) read this book when I was around 10 or 11 years old, and I have not given much thought to it since (30 years) until now. I am so grateful for this video and deep analysis, which I can now understand. Thank you!
I have become exactly the horrible Dorian Gray type of narcissist in the past couple of years, and everywhere I go I end up corrupting people in one way or another. It's like I've made a deal with the devil that he makes me believe I'm a superior demi-god while he gets to corrupt people through me. And on one hand I really want to go back to my former self that people actually liked but no-one respected, but on the other hand I still don't want to leave this fantasy bubble that I've created for myself. Because people avoid me like the plague when I'm like this, and I don't want to bring more misery into this world. How do I burst that bubble? I really need advice...
Telling you to "stop" seems like a dumb statement because it's like someone telling you to stop having cancer when you have cancer but in the case of narcissism you are the only anti body that can stop the narcissistic cancer inside of you. You are the one that has to fight against it everyday. If you don't know how, you get a therapist and that therapist will guide you through that fight but you will be the one that is actually fighting that battle.
True psychopaths do not feel normal human emotions and are narcissists. They are not punished by their consciences only anger at failing to achieve what they want. So they just carry on hurting people until they are stopped.
Maybe, but it is important to remember that people are not born without consciences, but rather become that way by continuously ignoring and silencing their conscience. That silenced conscience develops into anger and, since one might be refusing to listen to one’s own conscience, thus refusing to address the root of the problem, that pent up frustration becomes anger, and is directed towards all the wrong places. No one is born doomed to be a bad person; just as no one is immune from becoming a bad person. I think this “us, normal people” VS “they, the true psychopaths and narcissists, who can’t even feel normal human emotions!” mindset, is one that can lead one to dangerous roads. Even Dorian Gray started out as a fairly decent person, if I recall correctly… Anyhow, please forgive my rant, or if I misunderstood something you said. I wish you a very good day.
@@housemouse4209I like what you had to say and agree with a more moderate, less divisive approach to these conditions. However, you'd be remiss to not acknowledge physical and biological differences that do in fact change the way a person thinks and behaves. Birth defects and tumors to name a few.
I feel like a narcissist because I do all the good in my life to avoid my better natures chastising me and making me feel like shit for not doing good. I analyze why I do stuff so much and the only reason I can come up with is that I act the way I act so that I can tell myself that I am not a bad person, or so that other people dont think Im a bad person. That, or I am just treating people how I would want to be treated.
I thought like that as well and realised this year that my parents were the ones who were narcissistic 😅😅 they brainwashed me to think I was the bad person - well, that's what narcissists do
But is dorian responsible when it was lord Henry who corrupted him? I would argue that Dorian is a victim because society treated him a certain way and he responded in kind. Like a child actor almost. When I see child actors develop physiological problems, I think we bear the responsibility for that as a society for putting them in that role
My thoughts are in line with your here. Lord Henry is a bad influence indeed. Dorian Gray was pure like an oasis in the desert according to Basil. The conversation and the capricious friendship have altered Dorian. I admire Basil's sincerity and loyalty. Love this masterpiece wholeheartedly.
This covers a good deal of those who are currently recognized as needing everyone to capitulate to their delusions. If others don't perpetually uphold this delusion, the subject decries it as hate, or even, "genocide." Don't let those narcissistic types persuade you into thinking you are a bad person for not agreeing to the lies they tell themselves.
Superb insights into the nature of the narcissistic game. It's the ultimate short term strategy but suddenly falls apart often with a fury, given enough time.
I’m sad to say that this narcissistic behavior at some point ending tragically for a narcissist is just wishful thinking for us normal people. In reality, the bliss, charisma and success of these people continue indefinitely and they do have incredible lives with no regard for the others.
Thank you for the insightful analysis. I look forward to reading all the books you've covered in your videos. It has been incredibly enjoyable to hear your insights into these literary works. ❤
I wouldn't call the novel Dorian Gray particularly philosophical, nor is it entirely fair to put the blame solely on Dorian. Lord Henry's poisonous and whimsical quips about life sow the seeds of evil into Dorian. It's quite improbable that, despite his status and wealth, Dorian is relatively uneducated. Wilde's back-story for Dorian only covers his conception - but nothing really from his formative years. Wilde rehashes an old idea (=making a transaction for eternal life with the devil) and updates it for modern sensibilities. He adds some social commentary, a half-baked love story, endless digressions about jewels, musical instruments, and clothes - evidently showing time well-spent at the Bodleian. Anyhow, I enjoyed the book enough to publish it, but it isn't a tour de force: Wilde is a better playwright than novelist.
Haha! I take your point. It might have been Wilde himself who said that everyone’s first novel is either a re-hash of the story of Jesus or the story of Faust. But nonetheless the novel presents fruitful seeds of philosophical inquiry (in my opinion, anyway)
it is fair to put the blame on dorian. i've met people who have barely seen shit in their lives and turn out to be lying pathetic parasites who would do anything to escape any sense of shame, and on the other hand i have close relationships with people who have endured r*pe and m•lestation and turned out to be more or less angelic.
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You should not dissolve your Ego Ego can prevent you from being manipulated Though to much Ego can destroy you and the people around you Reality doesn't revolve around you it's everyone's Story 2 people that have a high Ego will have conflict there has to be a balance Nature has a balance and a Rythm Thats wat you should do with your Ego
I have to respectfully disagree with your statement that everyone is a narcissist. True narcissists have no real empathy and a seared conscience. I know. I was married to a covert narc for 25 years. I do see that narcissism is being rewarded and enabled in our society so I would expect to see alot more true narcissists in the future. Our society was different when I was growing up in the 70s and 80s and people were raised differently and held accountable for their actions more often. It's only since that changed that we see real narcissistic personality disorder become more common and socially protected.
@@TheJett1904 You stayed with the narcissist for 25 years. You were attracted to the narcissist. So tell me how it did not benefit the narcissist? You are a contradiction.
@theasuraluis I didn't realize he was a narcissist and as soon as I did, I divorced him. They always start out on their best behavior to ensnare you. You should educate yourself on covert narcissism. They particularly target caring people and they are very convincing liars. He had everyone fooled, not just me. Edit: It certainly did benefit him until it didn't in a big way.
Ah thank you! That is very kind. And I am only young (23), but have been coaching people in studying and philosophy in some capacity for a long time now (probably coming up to 5 years, though I don't know exact dates)
I feel like this is a novel I would have needed to read in school to truly enjoy; read it alongside a scholar who can tell me why every scene is actually important. To me it seems like a good 30% of it are just Henry repeating his philosophy over and over again to side characters who only appear for one chapter and always just say: "How horrible the things you say are, Lord Henry. Yet I have to say, your charisma intrigues me.". Again and again. There's a 15+ pages side tangent about all the different interests Dorian picked up over the years. Now I do see why that part is important. but did it really need to be this long? Did we really need the longest chapter to be "Here's a two page list of cool rocks Dorian collected. And here is a two page list of pretty cloths. And here is a two page list of stories Dorian has read and listened to."? To me, it just feels like a good story hidden between countless side tangents that lead nowhere. The picture doesn't even appear for approximately the first 30% of the text (or at least its magic).
Classically summarised a classic master piece by one of the best scholars & poet of the 19th century, Oscar Wilde. Loved the content & therefore subscribed to your email. Are you on Goodreads? If yes, what’s your Goodreads username?
Is it narcissistic to give unsolicited advice? Does youtube not promote our ego? An ego that seeks to live forever in the form of content??? I'd say narcissist behavior is so part of our modern life that we probably cant escape it in any meaningful way, unless you want to live a strictly aesthetic existence... thoughts?
I have embraced egoism and the I have found it to be very effective, but I did feel a pain, a loss of a friendship due to my disregard of others. I wonder, is there a way to merge different philosophies together just the right way? Hedonism, Stoicism, Egoism, Love for others, is it possible to get the most out of the darkness inside us yet not become monsters?
Yes. Reflection. Also, discipline, consistency, deadlines, creativity, and repetition of those key concepts--regarding whatever endeavors you choose to pursue. Obviously, we'd all hope that your goals weren't destructive to yourself or others, too. But it's rare that anyone who truly, viscerally, legitimately REFLECTS would ever choose toxic objectives over creative and constructive ones. 🐲✨🐲✨🐲✨
Pretty wild to suggest Dorian could have turned out good. The whole point of the book to me seems to be that he was cursed from the outset, in the traditional Greek sense; he never had any other options but dying alone a shriveled and hideous old man, and staying beautiful up until that point didn't help. His upbringing, religion, culture, and social circle all honed him into the person he was. This book isn't just a story about a young person lost in a world of sensuality. It's a condemnation of a whole culture, a country, it's history and values. This book is Wilde saying "fuck all of you all" to his audience and entire social class.
A fantastic video and interpretation of Dorian. It's amazing how resonant it is in this day and age with the narcissism of the present culture. I wonder if Dorian turned to God and repented maybe his portrait would have changed like you said.
nice video, especially the drawings. But those fast cuts are super annoying and make it hard to follow, at least for me. Some moments of silence between sentences and topics would be nice. Also your Audio Compressor settings are way too extreme, the sound is popping out of the speakers!
Ah thanks, and audio engineering is not my strong point. And I take your point regarding the cuts - they’re not to everyone’s tastes and they’re mostly used to hide where I have had to look at my script. I should also say that I didn’t draw the drawings - they’re AI-generated. I can’t draw because I have nerve and soft tissue damage in my dominant arm which limits my motor skill with that sort of thing. But nonetheless I’m glad they add to the videos
great video thanks! what do ya'll think; do narcs have a chance at cultivating genuine empathy and remorse and develop a healthy relationship with shame and guilt? so far there hasn't been a single case of a narc being completely "healed" from their diagnosis ever since its addition to the DSM in the 90's. they say, oddly enough, that malignant narcs are the only ones that actually seem to get just a tiiiiinnyy bit better with age. Borderlines, out of the rest of the cluster b personality disorders, are the only ones that seem to heal effectively. they also seem to be the most complex to me. there are probably things that we can do as society to help significantly reduce narcism in the coming generations, but what do you think should be done about the ones that we have to deal with now? they are our employers, bosses, politicians, social "influencers" and some of them even have the audacity to call them selves artists which is hilarious seeing that their entire sense of self is a lie. so what do you think the solution could be? anyone thinking of chiming in with their two cents about psychedelics please spare us your effort, i have met plenty of these people who take them and they evidently haven't done shit to help. again thanks for your videos!
They’re just AI-generated doodles with a simple prompt. I would love to learn to draw myself but there is soft tissue and nerve damage in my dominant arm so I can’t maintain the fine motor control needed to wield a pencil with much precision for any length of time. It’ll never be like actually drawing something, but it’s all I can do, unfortunately. To quote a very wise friend of mine “such is life, such is disability”.
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"......Does not just corrupt the people around the narcissist but eventually comes back to destroy the narcissist themselves". I witnessed this with my oldest brother who was one of the most horrible human beings I ever knew and was destructive to everyone who loved him or tried to love him. He was definitely a narcissist and did much damage to me, 10 years his junior, growing up and as an adult. He committed suicide in Jan 2001 just past his 55th B-Day.
That sounds very difficult - I hope you are okay
@@unsolicitedadvice9198 I've been fine about it, thanks for asking. It took awhile but I forgave him and therefore freed myself. He was smart, very handsome, tall, had gorgeous hair, was a babe magnet, and lived on easy street in whatever job he had. I think really attractive people have it much easier in life versus us regular types. He had it all...except his soul. His wickedness turned him into a self-consuming monster, just like Dorian Grey.
@@jeffsmith8197 that's an incorrect statement, while there are upsides to being attractive and downside to being unattractive, a person has many many traits. Intelligence, virtue, physicality, charisma, financial, and all the many possible diseases. a smart person has advantages a dull person doesn't, but the dull person has high resolve. To try to reduce the difficulty of life by a single trait is incorrect
@@TjJd-f8m so would be using terms such as good, evil or wickedness I'd assume... It is very hard to know one's true self without looking through biases. I like to think studies and new conclusions are better than doubt as they are, after all, beacons in the dark, but maybe change has more relevance, hence the resolution to constantly grow as an individual right?
@@TjJd-f8m And just who the F are you to say?? Genuine question. 🙄
He tried to eliminate the proof of his wickedness, the portrait, to get "peace" and by stabbing the portrait stabbed himself, only remained an unrecognizable carcass, and a portrait of Dorian in all his glory! Or at least that is how I remember the book after many, many years. He was irredeemable to the end, and I believe that is the intention of the author. Cheers
Ah that’s a fair interpretation
@@unsolicitedadvice9198 *most highly cognitively (clearly not emotionally) intelligent, charming yet coercively rapey chauvinistic or warmongering greedy lusty male narcissists truly & delusionally think + fully believe they're the good guys fighting the bad ones when they're brothers in arms with their deeply ingrained crafty pathological lies + covert malignant more cerebral psychopathically sadistic narcissism masquerading as wonderfully shining yet soulfully dead & sadly glamourized utterly fake enlightenment of older arrogant powerful men...*
I have seen a narcissist at home. I have lived with her for years. One thing I have realised is that they can't improve. Their nature is so deeply ingrained. Their occasional pangs of conscience comes and goes and they are back at their worst.
"Hedonism is a great philosophy for one evening, but a terrible philosophy for life." Excellent insight good sir, you have gained a subscriber.
Thank you! Though I am not the first to make that point. In fact, when I wrote that line I was 80% certain that I was paraphrasing someone, but I could not for the life of me find the quotation online. So someone please let me know if they find out if someone else used a similar turn of phrase
@@unsolicitedadvice9198 Awesome.
Some truly excellent insights here. While I‘ve never read the novel, I‘ve known people like Gray. Their careers and relationships haven‘t been as dramatic as his, but they‘ve been just as troubling…
Thank you! I appreciate the kind words
narcissism is a self-esteem issue. they hate themselves and their behavior is a survival response to that
Yep dorian is a narcissist
I really hope you get the recognition you deserve dude, your videos are not unsolicited advice at all.
Thanks! I’m glad you are enjoying the videos
I’m currently writing an essay on this book, and I absolutely adore this video! The analysis and your thoughts are so great, thank you so much!
Thank you! I’m glad you liked it
Great analysis! I just finished this book. It was so sad in many ways (Basil did NOT deserve his fate), but I loved it.
Dorian really is the perfect embodiment of a narcissist, but I wonder if he wasn’t manipulated into his actions from Henry? Of course he made his own path, but given that everyone has narcissistic traits within them, perhaps full blown narcissism is bred via your environment and outside influences.
Henry essentially scared him into thinking his beauty and youth was the only thing he had to offer the world. With that, I went from feeling sad for Dorian (I think we’ve all had that existential crisis of one day getting older and losing our looks), but I quickly started to hate him after how he treated Sybil lol.
This book really changed the way I think about many things
I do really like it. And I find the writing style very witty
@@unsolicitedadvice9198you should definitely read his other works too, his writing style really intrigues me.
I was in the middle of novel and I suddenly hit on this video and spoiled the entire charm . But this is the best illustration of novel. Hatsoff
A wonderful encapsulation of not only the story but too the psychology behind it.
Thank you! I think that the narcissism element really pops out of the page
Hey mister! You’re excellent at conveying information effectively
Thank you! That is very kind of you to say!
“Each of us has Heaven and Hell inside him.” - Chapter 13 said By Dorian to Basil
A great line
Reminds me of paradise lost satan quote of making a heaven of hell
Thank you so much for these videos, for a while I felt like a shell of a person, but slowly I’ve started building myself back up and your videos reignite my interest in philosophy and make me feel happy. Please don’t stop making these if you can help it:)
Thank you! And I will definitely keep going with them
The picture of Dorian gray is probably my favorite novel. Aside from a brave new world.
Wow I can't believe you did a full length video on me
This is a wonderful analysis of the themes that are central to the novel, and you make it relevant to students who may not be inspired to read. I appreciate your enthusiasm and your development of the theme throughout your talk.
Dorian tried to play Lucifer. And he succeeded.
I read this book in early highschool. And never forgot it! Still one of my favorites
Same!
Your way of explanation, voice and intonations (not to mention the good looks lol) is really attention-gripping. I found this video by searching about the book, but I'd definitely check out your other videos.
Have you read Crime and Punishment by Fyodor Dostoevsky? There is one paragraph within that book that has gripped my consciousness for years. I would love your opinion on the topic. It is in Chapter 5, it goes roughly like this, there are ordinary men and extraordinary men. Ordinary men are bound to the rule of law and should follow the medians moral code. Extraordinary men are a rarity and have the intellect or the power to make great net positive changes in the world. Raskolnikov (the protagonist of sorts) uses this in part to justify his actions of murder. Now I do believe murder to be wrong, yet I also believe that murder is sometimes needed, the greatest example would be WW2, you could not take Hitler down with words. So this has caused me to do a introspective drive into what is right and wrong because I would argue that the biblical commandment of thou shall not murder is not always true. So there are exceptions for morality that are sometimes needed. The conclusion I have come to is this, what makes an action good or bad is not the action itself, it is the time elapsed, time is the judge of morality. Something that is good or bad in the short term might not be good or bad in the long term. Think of touching a hot stove, it hurts you in the short term but in the long term you hopefully learn the lesson to be more aware of touching hot surfaces. The net is positive. Think of smoking, nicotine in the short term is awesome, increased focus and concentration get all that sexy acetylcholine and dopamine in the short term; but in the long term it causes health risks. An action that can, at least antidotally, be positive in the short term turns into a net negative in the long term. I hope I have elaborated my expansion of Dostoevsky's thoughts well, I believe this is a good location to get some genuine conductive criticism. Please tell me your opinion whoever is reading this.
Morality is closely linked to the ego, for there needs to be a perspective to outweigh the good and bad of a given action. Given that needed perspective the only real question is who's judging? Leave it to a hindu to judge, and every living being is exactly as important as the others, but leave it to a monotheistic person to judge, and it'll only be the people that worships their god. And neither of those are wrong, they're frameworks that are righteous within their own perspective.
Altruism only works when we know what's true, whilst solipsism doesn't need any guidelines. I think that's the dillema that's been slowly corrupting society
I’m not as articulate or well read as you.
However, it just seems to me that we can’t know at the point of our behaviour what the end result will be over time - will it turn out good or evil? Often it will be both.
Furthermore, even the concept of good or bad is subjective and can’t be agreed upon by people.
@@robotone2812exactly everything is technically subjective when you think deeply enough about anything
@@catcat4697I do agree that a diversity in culture is good. The more ways people and few the world the better. Diversity in culture can come up with different solutions to the same problem which I think the human species needs.
Could you elaborate on why you think altruism “works only if we know what’s true”? I don’t think I fully understand what you mean.
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I (accidentally?) read this book when I was around 10 or 11 years old, and I have not given much thought to it since (30 years) until now. I am so grateful for this video and deep analysis, which I can now understand. Thank you!
I have become exactly the horrible Dorian Gray type of narcissist in the past couple of years, and everywhere I go I end up corrupting people in one way or another. It's like I've made a deal with the devil that he makes me believe I'm a superior demi-god while he gets to corrupt people through me. And on one hand I really want to go back to my former self that people actually liked but no-one respected, but on the other hand I still don't want to leave this fantasy bubble that I've created for myself. Because people avoid me like the plague when I'm like this, and I don't want to bring more misery into this world. How do I burst that bubble? I really need advice...
Stop.👈
Sounds like you need a swift kick in the ass!
Telling you to "stop" seems like a dumb statement because it's like someone telling you to stop having cancer when you have cancer but in the case of narcissism you are the only anti body that can stop the narcissistic cancer inside of you. You are the one that has to fight against it everyday. If you don't know how, you get a therapist and that therapist will guide you through that fight but you will be the one that is actually fighting that battle.
Once a narcissist, always a narcissist. You're lost. Good luck
Don't be taking psychology advice from fools off TH-cam. Sounds like you're aware you're a jerk, so self awareness is the first step.
Another brilliant video. Please keep them coming.
this is the best unsolicited advice i could ever not ask for XD
Haha! Thank you!
True psychopaths do not feel normal human emotions and are narcissists. They are not punished by their consciences only anger at failing to achieve what they want. So they just carry on hurting people until they are stopped.
Maybe, but it is important to remember that people are not born without consciences, but rather become that way by continuously ignoring and silencing their conscience. That silenced conscience develops into anger and, since one might be refusing to listen to one’s own conscience, thus refusing to address the root of the problem, that pent up frustration becomes anger, and is directed towards all the wrong places. No one is born doomed to be a bad person; just as no one is immune from becoming a bad person. I think this “us, normal people” VS “they, the true psychopaths and narcissists, who can’t even feel normal human emotions!” mindset, is one that can lead one to dangerous roads. Even Dorian Gray started out as a fairly decent person, if I recall correctly… Anyhow, please forgive my rant, or if I misunderstood something you said. I wish you a very good day.
@@housemouse4209I like what you had to say and agree with a more moderate, less divisive approach to these conditions. However, you'd be remiss to not acknowledge physical and biological differences that do in fact change the way a person thinks and behaves. Birth defects and tumors to name a few.
I feel like a narcissist because I do all the good in my life to avoid my better natures chastising me and making me feel like shit for not doing good. I analyze why I do stuff so much and the only reason I can come up with is that I act the way I act so that I can tell myself that I am not a bad person, or so that other people dont think Im a bad person. That, or I am just treating people how I would want to be treated.
So not even close to a narcissist then 😂
I thought like that as well and realised this year that my parents were the ones who were narcissistic 😅😅 they brainwashed me to think I was the bad person - well, that's what narcissists do
@@someone-bt5lu Happens way too often, your parents and my mom should hang out lol
But is dorian responsible when it was lord Henry who corrupted him? I would argue that Dorian is a victim because society treated him a certain way and he responded in kind. Like a child actor almost. When I see child actors develop physiological problems, I think we bear the responsibility for that as a society for putting them in that role
My thoughts are in line with your here. Lord Henry is a bad influence indeed. Dorian Gray was pure like an oasis in the desert according to Basil. The conversation and the capricious friendship have altered Dorian. I admire Basil's sincerity and loyalty. Love this masterpiece wholeheartedly.
This covers a good deal of those who are currently recognized as needing everyone to capitulate to their delusions. If others don't perpetually uphold this delusion, the subject decries it as hate, or even, "genocide."
Don't let those narcissistic types persuade you into thinking you are a bad person for not agreeing to the lies they tell themselves.
Superb insights into the nature of the narcissistic game. It's the ultimate short term strategy but suddenly falls apart often with a fury, given enough time.
I just finished The Picture of Dorian Gray and really enjoyed the story of a narciisist! Really made me think!
I was hypnotized in the story for this 15 mins❤❤ The best one ❤❤
I’m sad to say that this narcissistic behavior at some point ending tragically for a narcissist is just wishful thinking for us normal people. In reality, the bliss, charisma and success of these people continue indefinitely and they do have incredible lives with no regard for the others.
Do they, though? It may appear that way on the outside but meet them in old age - it usually doesn’t end well
Yes, i really think this is the one of the most underrated novels
Soo well explained. Very well done indeed!! Thankyou for it.
Thank you! I am really glad you enjoyed it
Brilliantly written and narrated.
Thank you for the insightful analysis. I look forward to reading all the books you've covered in your videos. It has been incredibly enjoyable to hear your insights into these literary works. ❤
I see you were the model for the Dorian illustration.
I wouldn't call the novel Dorian Gray particularly philosophical, nor is it entirely fair to put the blame solely on Dorian. Lord Henry's poisonous and whimsical quips about life sow the seeds of evil into Dorian. It's quite improbable that, despite his status and wealth, Dorian is relatively uneducated. Wilde's back-story for Dorian only covers his conception - but nothing really from his formative years.
Wilde rehashes an old idea (=making a transaction for eternal life with the devil) and updates it for modern sensibilities. He adds some social commentary, a half-baked love story, endless digressions about jewels, musical instruments, and clothes - evidently showing time well-spent at the Bodleian.
Anyhow, I enjoyed the book enough to publish it, but it isn't a tour de force: Wilde is a better playwright than novelist.
Haha! I take your point. It might have been Wilde himself who said that everyone’s first novel is either a re-hash of the story of Jesus or the story of Faust. But nonetheless the novel presents fruitful seeds of philosophical inquiry (in my opinion, anyway)
Devil's temptation is just a pretext for unleashing our latent self-aggrandisement
it is fair to put the blame on dorian. i've met people who have barely seen shit in their lives and turn out to be lying pathetic parasites who would do anything to escape any sense of shame, and on the other hand i have close relationships with people who have endured r*pe and m•lestation and turned out to be more or less angelic.
Keep up the amazing work bro
Thank you! I shall do and I am glad you like the videos
You can only sit, looking at your reflection in the lake for so long before you fall in and drown. Damnnnn
Great video, I would love more analysis of the novel please
wonderfully executed. a sober (but very fascinating, never boring) thought process.
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I love The picture of Dorian Gray
Thanks for your words of wisdom. I'm liking your channel a lot lately.
Now I think I should work on ny narcissist tendencies.
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I think there is a narcissist in us all. And glad you liked the video
Not us all 😊.
But most, probably yes.
nah narcassism is a scale
This is the first video I've watched of yours. Pretty cool.
Thanks! Glad you liked it
Truth is, deep down, everyone is a narcissist. And those who tell you to dissolve your ego want to make and keep you weak to be controled.
You should not dissolve your Ego
Ego can prevent you from being manipulated
Though to much Ego can destroy you and the people around you Reality doesn't revolve around you it's everyone's Story
2 people that have a high Ego will have conflict there has to be a balance Nature has a balance and a Rythm Thats wat you should do with your Ego
I have to respectfully disagree with your statement that everyone is a narcissist.
True narcissists have no real empathy and a seared conscience.
I know. I was married to a covert narc for 25 years.
I do see that narcissism is being rewarded and enabled in our society so I would expect to see alot more true narcissists in the future.
Our society was different when I was growing up in the 70s and 80s and people were raised differently and held accountable for their actions more often.
It's only since that changed that we see real narcissistic personality disorder become more common and socially protected.
@@TheJett1904 You stayed with the narcissist for 25 years. You were attracted to the narcissist. So tell me how it did not benefit the narcissist? You are a contradiction.
@theasuraluis I didn't realize he was a narcissist and as soon as I did, I divorced him. They always start out on their best behavior to ensnare you.
You should educate yourself on covert narcissism. They particularly target caring people and they are very convincing liars. He had everyone fooled, not just me.
Edit: It certainly did benefit him until it didn't in a big way.
@@TheJett1904 Zero accountability. So it took 25 years to figure it out? You are an absolute clown.
Fantastic.
youre kind of a role model to me, your videos inspire me to become a better version of myself and read more. Thank you very much
can I know your age?
Ah thank you! That is very kind. And I am only young (23), but have been coaching people in studying and philosophy in some capacity for a long time now (probably coming up to 5 years, though I don't know exact dates)
Perfectly articulated
Thank you!
I heard the reference to Narssicus...brilliant.
I feel like this is a novel I would have needed to read in school to truly enjoy; read it alongside a scholar who can tell me why every scene is actually important.
To me it seems like a good 30% of it are just Henry repeating his philosophy over and over again to side characters who only appear for one chapter and always just say: "How horrible the things you say are, Lord Henry. Yet I have to say, your charisma intrigues me.". Again and again.
There's a 15+ pages side tangent about all the different interests Dorian picked up over the years. Now I do see why that part is important. but did it really need to be this long? Did we really need the longest chapter to be "Here's a two page list of cool rocks Dorian collected. And here is a two page list of pretty cloths. And here is a two page list of stories Dorian has read and listened to."?
To me, it just feels like a good story hidden between countless side tangents that lead nowhere. The picture doesn't even appear for approximately the first 30% of the text (or at least its magic).
Classically summarised a classic master piece by one of the best scholars & poet of the 19th century, Oscar Wilde.
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I have my finals on this book thanks for the good explanation
Can senseca stoic from miles away, new breed.
Brilliant novel, I love it!!! Good analysis :)
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it!
Really thank you for such perfectness ❤
Beautiful analysis ♥
Is it narcissistic to give unsolicited advice? Does youtube not promote our ego? An ego that seeks to live forever in the form of content??? I'd say narcissist behavior is so part of our modern life that we probably cant escape it in any meaningful way, unless you want to live a strictly aesthetic existence... thoughts?
I think there is something in that. I think that narcissism in a loose sense is always tempting, and try to illustrate that with my final point
I dont know if this also makes others watching this video like myself question our own motivations and mindfulness of our impact on world
Thank you mate that that was really helpful
Remarkable delivery
Thank you!
Should we in turn turn to the "Last Man"?,
What if being co.peitive requires some narcissism?
I have embraced egoism and the I have found it to be very effective, but I did feel a pain, a loss of a friendship due to my disregard of others. I wonder, is there a way to merge different philosophies together just the right way? Hedonism, Stoicism, Egoism, Love for others, is it possible to get the most out of the darkness inside us yet not become monsters?
Yes. Reflection. Also, discipline, consistency, deadlines, creativity, and repetition of those key concepts--regarding whatever endeavors you choose to pursue. Obviously, we'd all hope that your goals weren't destructive to yourself or others, too. But it's rare that anyone who truly, viscerally, legitimately REFLECTS would ever choose toxic objectives over creative and constructive ones.
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What kind of storyteller are you?
I am a new subscriber.
The way you narrate is scary and interesting
There is always a limit to overreaching, so these Faustian stories end in repentance
It was an interesting video
Cindi read Dorian gray and Cindi had a smirk on her face laying inside her coffin. OMG
Well said, handsome British gentleman
Awesome channel bro!
Thank you! That is very kind
So basically the inspiration for Tony Stonem
Pretty wild to suggest Dorian could have turned out good. The whole point of the book to me seems to be that he was cursed from the outset, in the traditional Greek sense; he never had any other options but dying alone a shriveled and hideous old man, and staying beautiful up until that point didn't help. His upbringing, religion, culture, and social circle all honed him into the person he was. This book isn't just a story about a young person lost in a world of sensuality. It's a condemnation of a whole culture, a country, it's history and values. This book is Wilde saying "fuck all of you all" to his audience and entire social class.
wow, great video and presentation! very interesting
thank you
Many thanks! Glad you liked it
A fantastic video and interpretation of Dorian. It's amazing how resonant it is in this day and age with the narcissism of the present culture. I wonder if Dorian turned to God and repented maybe his portrait would have changed like you said.
Thank you! I am glad you enjoyed the video, and it is always interesting to ponder these things
Oh this son of Pride….
I love these videos
Thank you!
You should put some classical art on those walls
bro i just want to say these videos are awesome but can you do Franz Kafka next video
Thank you! And I actually already have a Kafka video planned
Nice vids dude
Thank you! Glad you like them!
The hair curl on the nose ;0
great video
Thanks!
What do you think of the psychology of Jason Compson from "the Sound and the Fury"? Similar, besides the focus on beauty?
Did Dorian Gray inspire the immortal dapper man from League of Extraordinary Gentlemen?
nice video, especially the drawings. But those fast cuts are super annoying and make it hard to follow, at least for me. Some moments of silence between sentences and topics would be nice. Also your Audio Compressor settings are way too extreme, the sound is popping out of the speakers!
Ah thanks, and audio engineering is not my strong point. And I take your point regarding the cuts - they’re not to everyone’s tastes and they’re mostly used to hide where I have had to look at my script.
I should also say that I didn’t draw the drawings - they’re AI-generated. I can’t draw because I have nerve and soft tissue damage in my dominant arm which limits my motor skill with that sort of thing. But nonetheless I’m glad they add to the videos
Aaah man why my ex send me this
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Its very very modern today.
great video thanks! what do ya'll think; do narcs have a chance at cultivating genuine empathy and remorse and develop a healthy relationship with shame and guilt? so far there hasn't been a single case of a narc being completely "healed" from their diagnosis ever since its addition to the DSM in the 90's. they say, oddly enough, that malignant narcs are the only ones that actually seem to get just a tiiiiinnyy bit better with age. Borderlines, out of the rest of the cluster b personality disorders, are the only ones that seem to heal effectively. they also seem to be the most complex to me.
there are probably things that we can do as society to help significantly reduce narcism in the coming generations, but what do you think should be done about the ones that we have to deal with now? they are our employers, bosses, politicians, social "influencers" and some of them even have the audacity to call them selves artists which is hilarious seeing that their entire sense of self is a lie. so what do you think the solution could be? anyone thinking of chiming in with their two cents about psychedelics please spare us your effort, i have met plenty of these people who take them and they evidently haven't done shit to help.
again thanks for your videos!
Dan Winters esoteric Kundalini science. Plato's republic
If like to hear your opinions and breakdown of the psyche that was called echolalia
neat videos
Thanks!
It’s either you or him. I think of two sharks in the womb, one has to kill the other
I really like your videos, and I find you very beautiful as well
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Who did the illustrations in this video?
They’re just AI-generated doodles with a simple prompt. I would love to learn to draw myself but there is soft tissue and nerve damage in my dominant arm so I can’t maintain the fine motor control needed to wield a pencil with much precision for any length of time. It’ll never be like actually drawing something, but it’s all I can do, unfortunately. To quote a very wise friend of mine “such is life, such is disability”.
Feb 25, 2024.
Such a great video. Really glad I found you 🫂
Thank you!
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