Tamiya DT01 Fighter Buggy RX vs Rising Fighter Track Run Comparison - Hopper vs Hopper!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ต.ค. 2024
- Hello friends! In this video we take the Tamiya DT-01 Fighter Buggy RX Memorial and run it around the same track as we ran the Tamiya Rising Fighter a couple of weeks ago. The idea was to get a feel for the DT-01 around the track and compare the running and handling to the Rising Fighter. Both RC buggies share a similar chassis design, with swing-arm front suspension and a rigid rear axle and motor assembly - commonly referred to as "Hoppers" due to their similarity with the Tamiya Grasshopper, and also their tendency to "hop" the rear end up and down over the bumps!
You will hear commentary on both buggies from me, and I have included some of the Rising Fighter footage as a direct lap comparison - Plus - I timed the laps! Which Tamiya RC buggy is fastest?
The Fighter Buggy RX Memorial is totally stock apart from bearings.
The Rising Fighter is heavily modified, including bearings, oil shocks, a gearbox brace, Narrow ribbed front wheels + tyres and a faster 21 turn Absima Eco Thrust motor.
Many thanks to my good friend, Rob, @Rob Brennan RC - for the filming and additional comments in this video. - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
Hiya matey. Good to see you chaps out having some RC related fun. The Fighter buggy does look like it has pretty decent handling for a hopper. Looks better than my Hornet for sure. Also they did a great job on the looks of that memorial edition too. Anyway I hope your Friday is shaping up ok. I've just got a beer on the go and there is a takeaway ordered so all good. Just sorting out a video to put up tomorrow. Best wishes to you for a smashing weekend. Cheers for now 😁
Hello Pete me mukka! Yeah, it was one of those spur of the moment things when Rob and I were playing at the park, I just threw the camera at him and said " let's film this doing a few laps". Came out OK , considering! I genuinely do enjoy driving the RX, it's better than it should be!!! Friday was OK, ta, just that I'm feeling very tired again these days - must be the warm weather! Going to look at your new vid now - if you don't see my comment, you'll know why! Cheers, matey! 👍😎
Rising Fighter - I've put in oil shocks, the Eco Thrust 21 turn motor, the trans brace and front tower support that you two fellas have recommended. And it's still the silliest handling car in my fleet. But I have a soft spot for it, and I've thought about decommissioning it... But I can't. The Holiday Buggy on a DT01 is so much more competent. As is the Neo Fighter on the DT03 (but does have some understeer that I'm hoping a lump of lead at the front will improve). I've just run my Lunchbox for the first time today (down by the Dusty Trees!) On a standard silver can it was tame. The Eco Thrust 15 turn was overheating. The Eco 21 turn was the sweet spot. I could do some drifts. Though, in a drift, if I applied more throttle the Lunchie straighten up. After running two batteries through it I was getting the hang. What a hobby, learning the different handling of 2WD and 4WD and, in top of tgat, getting to grips with the handling of different chassis. I'm sure this pleasure isn't apparent to an observer, but when you're in control, it's tangible and real. I'm still having a blast!!! Thanks for this comparison. The memorial kit was very tempting at Time Tunnel when I saw it a while back.
Hiya, Lee! Sounds like your RF is very similar to mine, and I completely agree, the silliest handling car ever (great choice of adjectives!) But yeah, still makes me smile, and that's what it's all about for me. Yes, the Lunchie is underwhelming with a silver can, needs a power boost! Cool you found the sweet spot. If at first you don't succeed... :D
Yeah, great thing about the hobby, trying the different drive configurations and learning how to drive them. Sure, to a bystander it won't be apparent, but I know how different they feel! You really spoke from the heart about this experience, I can tell! You really got the RC bug like me! Great comment mate - have a great weekend! 😎👍
Hi Mark, yeah even before the timings came up on screen you could see the DT-02 was a lot more stable and ground hugging. Maybe because the chassis is lower to the ground it helps this. Having said that - as you pointed out in the video, the Memorial still maintains those 'hoppy' characteristics. Probably a good thing as it just makes driving these sweet buggies all the more fun. I've said it before, there is just something beautiful about hearing the squeal of a Tamiya motor / gearbox combo. So distinctive. Great stuff..😁, and have a great weekend - it's gonna be a hot one.......allegedly...👍🏻👍🏻.
Hiya mate! Yes, I thought you would tell the difference just by eye! The RX just feels faster in all situations, except for tarmac running! just shows how much better the DT-01 chassis is than the Rising Fighter. I agree about the characteristics being part of the charm, and I too love hearing it blasting past at full throttle! You were right about the weather, we are melting here in the Midlands! A great weekend to you too, my good friend. 😎👍
@@MarkBryanRC Melting up here too..😎😎.
Just re-watched this, it’s convinced me that I need an RX, love the gold wheels and decals
Hi Martin - yes, it's a great buggy and handles better than it should! But of course, it's worth having for looks alone! All the best, take care! :))
Those two buggies make it feel like it’s the eighties again, cool video Mark .
Hi Eric! Yes, definitely an 80's feel to this video! Well, I really enjoyed the 80's as I was a young man then, unlike now!!! All the best my friend! 😎👍
To me it looks like you're not visiting that track often enough, the grass is beginning to overgrow it!
Cool comparison, they're a lot of fun to watch! Have a great weekend there, Mark!
You got that right, Mads! We have not been to the track enough - first it was Covid restrictions, and then I got ill, so hardly any track time at all. Hope we can make up for it this summer. Glad you enjoyed the hoppers, hopping! Hope your Sunday is a good one, my friend. 😎👍
Hi Mark and Our Rob, i suppose the pull for these types of rc’s is the 🥰 cuteness and comical nature of their driving style, the Grasshopper really is aptly named, what with all it’s hopping around whatever surface it happens to be driving on, lololol but it does give you a happy feeling when driving it. I really might just have to get meself yin o them and see what happens to me when driving, it’ll either kill me or cure me of my unscratchable itch lol 😂. Great stuff guys. 😎👍👍👍🇬🇧
Hello Mikey! Hehe, you got that right, cute and comical sums it up nicely! You gotta sort out that unscratchable itch for once and for all! Do it my friend, you won't be disappointed and will definitely have that big smile when driving! Take it easy, mate! 😎👍
That was great to see, you blokes know how to have fun. Great video
Thanks as always, Peter! 👍 You got that right, 2 grown men playing in the park with little radio controlled cars? Gotta be fun!!! Cheers, mate! 👍😎
The sound of the DT01 is like the Hornet/GH very classic and unmistakeable. I love it! Take care Mark and Rob.
Sure is my friend! A sound that only Tamiya lovers know! Take care too, best regards from Mark... 😎👍
They were very close Mark, but 4 seconds is 4 seconds, that's a huge gap in racing. Awesome run & i bet lots of fun. As all ways, Great video my friend, stay safe, stay healthy & all the best!!!
Thanks, Bro! Yeah, in a 20 second lap, 4 seconds is an eternity. Just sows how much better the RX is, it was stock and with a silver can - the Rising Fighter had that fast Absima motor and was slower overall - just shows that handling sometimes beats power - but I know that you know that my friend! Have a lovely weekend, my mate! 😄👍
WOW you really can see the difference Nice comparison my friend
Thank you, Nick! Yes, it really is night and day between these 2 buggies. All the best - Cheers!
Good test, Mark & Rob. Not surprised of the difference but I think it has little to do with the chassis and front arms (Grasshopper II versus DT-01). Pretty much the same system, although the battery placement on the DT-01 might make it more stable (or?). And the Rising Fighter got the same DT-01 gear box and if you fitted the Ampro trans brace they both should be stabilized the same way. I think the mounting position of the gear box (and maybe the shocks do the difference). I lowered my gear box on the Rising Fighter (with the Ampro 'Super Hornet' inspired shock mounts), got rid of the stock RF "friction shocks", - making it almost as low as on a DT-01 and it made a tremendous difference. On tarmac it would flip and roll over every second with the stock position. With the new position it's much more stable and feels quite "DT-01"ish. I think I have an old 'before and after' montage of the stock RF versus the upgraded RF on tarmac on my channel that should support your findings. But I can't remember, didn't you and Rob change the setting of the gear box and shocks on your RF's as well? Looking at the video here, the RF still rides quite high in the rear, like the stock setting? Well, it was fun to see a video where the unit with the shocks more horisontal than vertical, won your heart :-) First time. I know you like your shocks as upright and free-moving as possible .... uhh, sorry about the looong and nerdy Hopper-comment, Mark. Wishing you a pleasant evening.
Hi mate! I always enjoy a looooong and nerdy comment from you! I think the battery position in the DT-01 does help somewhat with the weight being right over the gearbox pivot. But yes, I clearly remember your Rising Fighter (RF) mods as I watched the videos very carefully! And I remember our conversations about them. Yeah, lowering the rear would definitely help with handling, reducing both the ride height (hence C-of-G) and the amount of bouncy suspension travel available. Agreed, I like an upright shock, and my RF is too high at the back, I can see now. Yeah, I did make my own brace for the RF, very much like the Ampro solution. Need shorter shocks I think, some future tweaking will be done! But the Dt-01 works better even with the almost horizontal shocks, as you say, because it is lower and has less "kick" from the shocks. I really did enjoy the drive, and it looks so cool, too! Wishing you a lovely evening tonight, my mate! :o)
@@MarkBryanRC Ahh, you explained it much better than me 🙂
@@NordicRC Thanks, but no, I think your version was very clear - I just responded to the excellent points you raised! :)
Niiice Mark
Now imagine that you put Lunchbox wheels on your Memorial Buggy and you've got yourself a Mad Bull 👍
Well Done Rob for being the cameraman 😎
Cheers, Peter! Oh yes, I can see how the Mad Bull would be after driving this and the Lunchie! Sounds like fun, might look at one in the future. Oh, and Rob deserves a medal putting up with me and my driving! All the best my friend, hope your weekend is going well. 👍😎
Hi Mark! Top stuff as usual - by the way, I kind of got two of your comments on my SCX24 vid (I can read them if I click the bell, but they don't appear if I try to reply...), so thanks for that! You mention you tried three times, so god knows where the other one went... 🤷♂️ Anyway, hope you're feeling good and enjoying the sunshine! All the best dude.
Cool, thanks Steve! Yeah, I'm getting fed up of typing long and thoughtful comments only to see them disappear! So I'm sorry for the short messages, it's all I'll do until this mess gets sorted out, if at all! I try to make a comment stick on the videos of my good friends, I don't want you to think you have lost my support - far from it mate! Hope all is good with you, take it easy! :o)
Hiya Mark mate, it definitely seems to handle better than my rising (kangaroo) fighter that’s for sure!!! Great upload thanks mate 👍🙏
Thanks a ton, Cat! 👍 Yeah, you got that (kangaroo) right! Still, they are both great fun Tamyas after all, that's why we love them! Have a smashing weekend, dude! 😄👍
Reasonable good handling considering the area you run. Which I think is perfect real world perspective dirt grass around trees.
Hi Robert - yes, not too bad in the handling department considering the terrain! Thanks for the comment, take it easy! 😎👍
Well mate I'd forgotten about this one dude. The Rx does still sound like a hopper but it does handle a hell of a lot better then the Rising Fighter. Great stuff matey.
Hi Jess - I emailed you but I got a message saying the address was not valid any more...
I have been isolating due to Corona and haven't seen Rob yet :-/
Haha! So many videos and so little time! Yeah, definitely a hopper, but one of the better ones! Hope to see you more after I finish for the summer holidays - cheers, mate! 😎👍
@Jessi Good old google again - NOT!!!
The Rising Fighter was the 1st kit I bought (mainly because it is so cheap) but it was my 2nd build as I bought a Lunch Box too and built that one 1st. It's a fun buggy for sure but it handles like a skittish kitten. 😁 It's cheap and it's fun so you can forgive it for its weaknesses. Been thinking of buying another one to experiment with and do a custom paint job on it too. I'm undecided about getting a Hornet.
Thanks for sharing your story, Nick! I agree you have to forgive it's little flaws! Always good to have a second car to experiment with, good idea. I think the Hornet would be a ton of fun, too. Good luck with the choice! Cheers! 😎👍
I do love rc buggys
Oh yes, Peter, RC buggies always put a smile on my face! Cheers! 😄👍
Really cool vide my friend thank you for sharing and your great support, my like
Big thanks to you, Xavier! It is always awesome to see your kind comments, take care my friend! :o)
Excellent⭐️👍Nice Video my friends 🤜🤛👍
Thank you Maxee RC! It was a fun video to make with my friend - Cheers!
Look´s like a lot of fun. I´ll get myself a Fighter Buggy RX in two weeks time and will get a Torque Tuned in it. After this Video it can´t come soon enough😂
Sure was a lot of fun for us to film! Thanks, Yardley - good choice of motor, it will certainly benefit from that. Hope it gets to you OK, all the best, my friend! :)
Hi Mark, nice to see the dynamic duo out and about on a nice sunny day in Brom! As usual Rob doing a fantastic job on camera. The Fighter RX definitely has the edge over the Rising Fighter, both really working hard over that rough terrain. That rear end looks almost like the Hornet, if I’m not mistaken? I’m sure back in the 80’s when I had a Hornet, that too had the sliding rear gearbox that pivots under power, with springs to tension the load( that’s if my memory serves me correctly or course, going back some years ). Great comparison of these budget RC’s, still so great fun to be had on a tighter purse! Good video of the master in control 😁😉👌take care my friend, hope all is well. 👌👍
Hello John! Yep, the dynamic duo ride again! And yes, Rob does well to put up with my erratic driving! Agreed, the RX Buggy is much the better handling, and surprisingly seems faster even with a silver can motor! Yep again, definitely like a Hornet rear end, not sure about the brace, though. As you rightly say, a good entry into Tamiya RC if pennies are tight. Still fun and full of Tamiya DNA. All the best to you too my good friend. 👍😎
You are trail blazing again! Pretty soon you’ll have that track smoothed out again! It needs to learn how to not flip over, or land right side, lol. Nice run!👏👏👍🤗
You got that right, Christine! I think it needs a team of 10 drivers to smooth our track out! Thanks for the awesome support, you are a true star my friend! 👍👍👍
@@MarkBryanRC yay for Team Mark & Rob snd their band of merry menl🤗😁. Trail Blazers! You are the Robinhood of the RC world and Rob is Friar Tuck,😁🤗, outlaws of the Greenwood’s 😂. 🙏🤗💖
@@4cmjohn8 Haha! I love that analogy, Christine! You are full of great ideas and comments, always a pleasure, my friend! :D
@@MarkBryanRC your welcome and thank you my friend 🤗🙏!
Good looking comparison gentlemen! It looked like a great time!👍😊
Thanks Jeremy! 👍 We sure did have a great time my friend! These old skool Tamiyas are just as much fun as the new ones - a little slower but who cares! All the best and have a great weekend! 😄👍
Nice video Mark. Chainring the tyres will correct the understeer , I run Schumacher racing tyres on mine and although I run it in shorter grass they are grass tyres , where ribs on the front are for dirt sand etc. They hop less than the others but the rear gearbox sits low to the ground so if you it a bump it will still pitch the buggy. Anyway cool vid and take care :)
Thanks for taking the time to comment and cheers for the info, Andy! Yeah, I got some Turf Ripper front tyres that should fit nicely on this one, similar to the Schumacher's I think. Should have done it sooner! And yes, I agree about the lower stance of the gearbox on this buggy. Thanks again and take it easy, fella! 👍👍
No worries Mark take care
@@andyrobinsonrc2480 Cheers, mate! :)
Hi Mark, The Fighter Buggy looks a lot more stable and faster, the bouncing seems more predictable. I think upgraded shocks would help but the design of the suspension pivot points and weight have a functional limit. In the end these are still really fun buggies as they are 👍🏾
Hiya Paul! You got that right my friend, definitely more stable but sure that the design has it's limitations - I think I'll leave it standard and enjoy it for what it is, especially as I have far more capable buggies to play with! All the best Bro! 👍🤗
NICE SAVE at 1:35 !!!
These are surprisingly good aren't they? One thing I'm curious about is...
I was looking at the used Original RF I bought. The Rear Suspension seems to have almost NO up travel. Are there any tricks for that??
And I'll also be running mine as-is. No fancy Double Wishbone Front Suspension for this!!
Maybe we can use RFs for a Collab Video!
Haha, Carmine, that was more luck than judgement at that bend! Hmmm... I reckon you are right, a waste of money hopping it up when it's this much fun in stock form. No Idea about how to increase the rear travel except for longer shocks. And yeah, these would make good collab material! 👍😎
The angle on the rear shocks of the Fighter Buggy RX is much lower so it doesn't bounce as much. Rising Fighter profile is really high when you look at it side on. Looks a bit weird. Still love my Rising Fighter though! :D
Good point, Huw! I think the RX is a better looking buggy, overall, too. But the Rising Fighter sure has it's charm, not bad for Tamiya's cheapest kit and a lot of fun to drive! Cheers! :O)
Enjoyed 👍🏻
So glad! Cheers, Cam! 👍😎
Call swing arm and it is called fighter buggy RX memorial edition doesn't the rising fighter have a shorter wheelbase than that technically I think the fighter buggy is definitely the best handling of all old and newer hoppers.
Totally agree, Brad, the Fighter Buggy is the best Hopper I've ever had the pleasure to drive! 😄👍
Hello Mark. I hope you get this comment. I was notified by Email that you'd left a comment on my WPL C44KM video just now, and I can read your comment in that Email. But your comment is not in the comments under the video. I wanted to tell you I know you left a comment but I can't reply to it because it isn't there. Now this has happened to me on a few of your videos before, and also quite a few times my comments have been removed from Pete's videos. Now I've been told by Peter aka CW01 Creations that he was notified by email that I'd left a comment on his video but it wasn't there when he looked. Now it seems that peoples comments, like yours, are being removed from my videos too. I don't know why this is happening to us but it's beginning to piss me off. I have to have my dinner now but I will watch this video later mate.
Hello my friend - yes I'm so glad I got this comment after the time you spent writing it. I know exactly how you feel and I'm getting extremely pissed off with TH-cam like you! So many of my comments are being removed, I reckon about 90% of them. Not only is it really annoying, but after the time and effort to watch a video and make a long, supportive comment, it's also making us look like we haven't bothered! What a mess. I even tried to complain to TH-cam help, but I was dismissed by them saying it must be the channels that are blocking me, and they cut me off! Anyway, enjoy your dinner, mate - your video was excellent, by the way! All the best mate.
@@MarkBryanRC Such a shame this is going down. TH-cam just need to stay out of it and stop over analysing every comment and like to see if they're bots or spam. Breaking News TH-cam - 99% are probably legit. Ridiculous situation.
@@thecontractor365 Too right, mate! :-/
Hey Mark is the hornet any good was thinking of buying one
Hi 👋 well I don't have a hornet but other guys I know really like them, just don't expect the handling to be great! 😅
Sorry DT02 on the Holiday Buggy, isn't it!!!
No worries, Lee - I knew exactly what you meant! 😎
They are real hopper's, my favourite 2WD buggy is the FAV and I think it's a little faster.
They sure are hoppers, Mal! Love the FAV but haven't got one yet - I do have the Wild One and I love that thing to bits! Take care, mate. 👍😎
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Cheers, Chris! 👍😎
Hi mark, are you on messenger or something, I would like for you to build a couple of kits for me, a tt01e and a lunchbox, oh and paint a cockpit, and maybe a Renault 5 turbo body, I'd be happy to pay you for doing this. Please let me know if you can.
Mike
Hiya Mikey - you can get me on facebook and PM me - It's Mark Bryan from Oldbury and my profile picture is me in white/blue helmet and leathers on a race bike. Take care, mate :))
@@MarkBryanRC
Think I got it mate